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Re: Russian Language Form #belarus

DSzumowski@...
 

I would think that to make this form useful it would need to be in Cyrillic.
If that is the approach, users will need to enable their browsers to handle
the additional alphabet.

Of course, instructions on how to do that would need to be included on the
site, and should address the major browsers.

Don Szumowski.
2211 Ontario Rd, NW
Washington, DC 20009

Researching Rosenfeld and Resnik >from Ceniow and Davyd Gorodek in Minsk gub.,
Pinsk uezed.
Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Russian Language Form #belarus

DSzumowski@...
 

I would think that to make this form useful it would need to be in Cyrillic.
If that is the approach, users will need to enable their browsers to handle
the additional alphabet.

Of course, instructions on how to do that would need to be included on the
site, and should address the major browsers.

Don Szumowski.
2211 Ontario Rd, NW
Washington, DC 20009

Researching Rosenfeld and Resnik >from Ceniow and Davyd Gorodek in Minsk gub.,
Pinsk uezed.
Re: Troanna (?) Poland? #general

Hank Mishkoff
 

MANY thanks to everyone who helped my on this, either here or via private
email.

(BTW, the general consensus is that "Troanna" is actually Trzcianne, which
is supported by the fact that I thought the third letter might be a C or a
Z, and by the town's proximity to other towns that I've associated with my
ancestors.)
Lev, Leib, Leon, etc. #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 99-02-10 18:02:03 EST, marjorie.rosenfeld@cwix.com writes:

<< A Kowarski Genealogical Table (family tree) book some of us just got
translated >from the Russian appears to have an entry for my rabbi
grandfather (originally, Shimon Chaim Kovarsky of Vilna) and gives his name
as "Simon Lvovich," i.e., Simon, son of Lev or Leib. Although there's a
slight problem with the assignment of Simon to Leib (the birth year given
for Simon is 1859, and the birth year given for his supposed father is
1850, requiring a level of precocity unlikely even for a Kowarski), the
original Kowarski progenitor listed in a French version of this same family
tree book is "Leon ou [or] Leib." Various Leibs appear throughout the book
in different generations, as would be expected in a Jewish family.

There's no jug or basin to denote a Levite on my grandfather's tombstone.>>

Lev is a Russian first name, I don't know what it MIGHT stand for. Leon
(French) suggests that the original "Jewish" name was Loeb. Since there are no
indications he was a Levi, assume he wasn't. (Anyway, I think the name Loeb,
earlier spelled Loew or Loewi, was a form of "Levi" only in Germany etc., not
in Eastern Europe. Had you not pointed out the meaning of Lvovich, I would
have wrongly assumed he came >from the Ukrainian city Lvov (Lemberg). With
only 9 years between Levi & Shim`on, I think you should assume that the Lev
you have was not the father of Shimon, but perhaps, a cousin.

The bible does at least once make a strong association between Shim`on and
Levi ("they are brothers") and it is VAGUELY possible that someone had been
given the name Shim`on-Levi--but improbable.

Michael Bernet, New York

seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET, BERNERTH etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth; JONDORF, Bavaria
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF, Aron married Babette GOLDSCHMIDT ca 1860 in Frankfurt;
WOLF, Sali, b. Fkfrt, d. Rotterrdam 1941/2; WOLF, GOLDSCHMIDT, Wurzburg
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Troanna (?) Poland? #general

Hank Mishkoff
 

MANY thanks to everyone who helped my on this, either here or via private
email.

(BTW, the general consensus is that "Troanna" is actually Trzcianne, which
is supported by the fact that I thought the third letter might be a C or a
Z, and by the town's proximity to other towns that I've associated with my
ancestors.)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lev, Leib, Leon, etc. #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 99-02-10 18:02:03 EST, marjorie.rosenfeld@cwix.com writes:

<< A Kowarski Genealogical Table (family tree) book some of us just got
translated >from the Russian appears to have an entry for my rabbi
grandfather (originally, Shimon Chaim Kovarsky of Vilna) and gives his name
as "Simon Lvovich," i.e., Simon, son of Lev or Leib. Although there's a
slight problem with the assignment of Simon to Leib (the birth year given
for Simon is 1859, and the birth year given for his supposed father is
1850, requiring a level of precocity unlikely even for a Kowarski), the
original Kowarski progenitor listed in a French version of this same family
tree book is "Leon ou [or] Leib." Various Leibs appear throughout the book
in different generations, as would be expected in a Jewish family.

There's no jug or basin to denote a Levite on my grandfather's tombstone.>>

Lev is a Russian first name, I don't know what it MIGHT stand for. Leon
(French) suggests that the original "Jewish" name was Loeb. Since there are no
indications he was a Levi, assume he wasn't. (Anyway, I think the name Loeb,
earlier spelled Loew or Loewi, was a form of "Levi" only in Germany etc., not
in Eastern Europe. Had you not pointed out the meaning of Lvovich, I would
have wrongly assumed he came >from the Ukrainian city Lvov (Lemberg). With
only 9 years between Levi & Shim`on, I think you should assume that the Lev
you have was not the father of Shimon, but perhaps, a cousin.

The bible does at least once make a strong association between Shim`on and
Levi ("they are brothers") and it is VAGUELY possible that someone had been
given the name Shim`on-Levi--but improbable.

Michael Bernet, New York

seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET, BERNERTH etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth; JONDORF, Bavaria
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF, Aron married Babette GOLDSCHMIDT ca 1860 in Frankfurt;
WOLF, Sali, b. Fkfrt, d. Rotterrdam 1941/2; WOLF, GOLDSCHMIDT, Wurzburg
Translation of Hebrew marriage application #general

MBernet@...
 

<BasilindaSamuels@compuserve.com> writes:

am unable to translate some of the answers on the form because they are
written in Hebrew, and I am wondering if someone can help. Of course I
cannot post hebrew letters to the list, but I have spelled out the
words reading >from right to left.
In answer to the question 'Brothers (if any)' there is written
tet-vav-bet-yud-hay
==Tuvyah (Tobias)

In answer to the question' Will attend Wedding' there is written
lamed-alef yud-ayin-hay-chet
==Lo Yehech. The first word means "No" The second makes no sense.
I think it may be a misspelling for Yihyeh or Yihyu, ie "there won't
be any." or it may be "lo yode`a" "I don't know."

Michael Bernet, New York

seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET, BERNERTH etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth; JONDORF, Bavaria
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF, Aron married Babette GOLDSCHMIDT ca 1860 in Frankfurt;
WOLF, Sali, b. Fkfrt, d. Rotterrdam 1941/2; WOLF, GOLDSCHMIDT, Wurzburg
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Translation of Hebrew marriage application #general

MBernet@...
 

<BasilindaSamuels@compuserve.com> writes:

am unable to translate some of the answers on the form because they are
written in Hebrew, and I am wondering if someone can help. Of course I
cannot post hebrew letters to the list, but I have spelled out the
words reading >from right to left.
In answer to the question 'Brothers (if any)' there is written
tet-vav-bet-yud-hay
==Tuvyah (Tobias)

In answer to the question' Will attend Wedding' there is written
lamed-alef yud-ayin-hay-chet
==Lo Yehech. The first word means "No" The second makes no sense.
I think it may be a misspelling for Yihyeh or Yihyu, ie "there won't
be any." or it may be "lo yode`a" "I don't know."

Michael Bernet, New York

seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET, BERNERTH etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth; JONDORF, Bavaria
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF, Aron married Babette GOLDSCHMIDT ca 1860 in Frankfurt;
WOLF, Sali, b. Fkfrt, d. Rotterrdam 1941/2; WOLF, GOLDSCHMIDT, Wurzburg
Visiting Mt. Hebron Cemetery (Queens, NY) #general

Mbondou@...
 

I am planning to visit Mt. Hebron Cemetery (Queens, NY) sometime next
week to take some tombstone pictures and gather more geneological data
for my research. If anyone wants me to look something up there or
take a picture of a stone, let me know. I'd be happy to help a group
that has given me so much information. Please no long lists, though!
E-mail me no later than Sunday, February 14th with all pertinent
information. I hope that this will help some of you who live far
away >from NYC.

Scott Genzer
Brooklyn, NY
mbondou@aol.com
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Visiting Mt. Hebron Cemetery (Queens, NY) #general

Mbondou@...
 

I am planning to visit Mt. Hebron Cemetery (Queens, NY) sometime next
week to take some tombstone pictures and gather more geneological data
for my research. If anyone wants me to look something up there or
take a picture of a stone, let me know. I'd be happy to help a group
that has given me so much information. Please no long lists, though!
E-mail me no later than Sunday, February 14th with all pertinent
information. I hope that this will help some of you who live far
away >from NYC.

Scott Genzer
Brooklyn, NY
mbondou@aol.com
War Through Children's Eye's #general

Cheryl Hoover <crhoover@...>
 

I just received a copy of this book >from the Hoover Institution Press.
The very first chapter is a lists documents. It states that the Hoover
Archives contain over twenty thousand transcripts of interviews
conducted with Polish citizens deported to the Soviet Union between 1939
and 1941.
Although I have just glanced through this book so far, it look like a
great book for information on this subject. I wanted to pass this
along to anyone who is interested and was not aware of this, as I was.
The Hoover Institution can be reached at:
Hoover Institution Press
Stanford University
Stanford, CA 94034-6010
phone 650-723-3373

They can also be reached through their web site at
http://www-hoover.stanford.edu/presswebsite/Catalog.html

I hope this helps someone.
Cheryl
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen War Through Children's Eye's #general

Cheryl Hoover <crhoover@...>
 

I just received a copy of this book >from the Hoover Institution Press.
The very first chapter is a lists documents. It states that the Hoover
Archives contain over twenty thousand transcripts of interviews
conducted with Polish citizens deported to the Soviet Union between 1939
and 1941.
Although I have just glanced through this book so far, it look like a
great book for information on this subject. I wanted to pass this
along to anyone who is interested and was not aware of this, as I was.
The Hoover Institution can be reached at:
Hoover Institution Press
Stanford University
Stanford, CA 94034-6010
phone 650-723-3373

They can also be reached through their web site at
http://www-hoover.stanford.edu/presswebsite/Catalog.html

I hope this helps someone.
Cheryl
Searching: SOFER / EGER Family Trees #general

J Schamroth <scham@...>
 

Does anyone know of a family tree of the descendants of the CHATAM
SOFER and RABBI AKIVA EGER, who were both outstanding Talmudic
luminaries >from Poland?

Thank you,
Julian Schamroth
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: SOFER / EGER Family Trees #general

J Schamroth <scham@...>
 

Does anyone know of a family tree of the descendants of the CHATAM
SOFER and RABBI AKIVA EGER, who were both outstanding Talmudic
luminaries >from Poland?

Thank you,
Julian Schamroth
Searching: Mendel ELKIN(D) #general

Jonina Duker <jonina.duker@...>
 

I am looking for more information about Mendl Elkin ("Image Before My
Eyes" on page 227 describes him as one of the "Gang" of Yiddish writers in
Warsaw 1922, and page 241 lists him as a director of the Vilna Troupe in
Warsaw). I would like to know more about his life in terms of where he
was born, if and where he died, parents' names, and most importantly
whether he was the same person who was described as a rival to Ben Gurion
in the 30's (although that person's last name is elsewhere spelled
"Elkind" but tranlsiteration across languages isn't infallible of
course). That Mendel Elkind was also a writer, described as a social
revolutionary, left Palestine since it was communist enough, went (back)
to Russian and was murdered during one fo the purges. Thanks in advance
and L'Shalom.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: Mendel ELKIN(D) #general

Jonina Duker <jonina.duker@...>
 

I am looking for more information about Mendl Elkin ("Image Before My
Eyes" on page 227 describes him as one of the "Gang" of Yiddish writers in
Warsaw 1922, and page 241 lists him as a director of the Vilna Troupe in
Warsaw). I would like to know more about his life in terms of where he
was born, if and where he died, parents' names, and most importantly
whether he was the same person who was described as a rival to Ben Gurion
in the 30's (although that person's last name is elsewhere spelled
"Elkind" but tranlsiteration across languages isn't infallible of
course). That Mendel Elkind was also a writer, described as a social
revolutionary, left Palestine since it was communist enough, went (back)
to Russian and was murdered during one fo the purges. Thanks in advance
and L'Shalom.
Searching: SIVAK/SIWAK and RUBINSTEIN #general

allbell@...
 

Question:

Seeking information about SIVAKs whose ancestors might have lived in
the Biala Podlaska area in the mid-1800s.

Also seeking information about the name.

a) Are there any SIVAKs out there who know they have relatives who spell
the name SEEVAK, SEBAG, SEEVOK, etc.?

b) Clearly, SIVAK can be a Polish name, but the name seems to be much more
common in Slovakia. I was wondering whether other Sivaks think their name
means "gray horse"; is a Slavic version of the Hebrew word "shevakh"
(praise); comes >from an Arabic word; or comes >from some other source.

SIVAK Info:

The oldest entry in my version of the SIVAK family tree so far is Rev Chaim
ben Benjamin of Biela Podlaska, who must have been born sometime around the
1820s. Many of Chaim's children moved to the United States around the turn
of the century and became BELLS, but the others kept the name SIVAK.

There are other SIVAKS descended >from Chaim ben Benjamin in Argentina, and
there may be others left in Europe.

One major intersection: Joana (Nechama) RUBINSTEIN (born 1890s?), the
daughter of Rev Chaim RUBINSTEIN, a shochet in Biala, married into the
family.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: SIVAK/SIWAK and RUBINSTEIN #general

allbell@...
 

Question:

Seeking information about SIVAKs whose ancestors might have lived in
the Biala Podlaska area in the mid-1800s.

Also seeking information about the name.

a) Are there any SIVAKs out there who know they have relatives who spell
the name SEEVAK, SEBAG, SEEVOK, etc.?

b) Clearly, SIVAK can be a Polish name, but the name seems to be much more
common in Slovakia. I was wondering whether other Sivaks think their name
means "gray horse"; is a Slavic version of the Hebrew word "shevakh"
(praise); comes >from an Arabic word; or comes >from some other source.

SIVAK Info:

The oldest entry in my version of the SIVAK family tree so far is Rev Chaim
ben Benjamin of Biela Podlaska, who must have been born sometime around the
1820s. Many of Chaim's children moved to the United States around the turn
of the century and became BELLS, but the others kept the name SIVAK.

There are other SIVAKS descended >from Chaim ben Benjamin in Argentina, and
there may be others left in Europe.

One major intersection: Joana (Nechama) RUBINSTEIN (born 1890s?), the
daughter of Rev Chaim RUBINSTEIN, a shochet in Biala, married into the
family.
Re: Kew (UK) - free offer #general

Nick Landau <nick@...>
 

I have also just been to Kew to look at naturalisation papers. My
experience is totally different to that of David Kravitz. The staff
couldn't have been more helpful. It is true that the presumption is that
you are doing personal research so that the embarassment of the staff was
caused by him doing this volume of requests.

I ordered the naturalisation paper at 4pm (I was helped in doing so by a
member of staff as requests had to be in by 4pm for 5pm closure) and I had
the file by 4.25. They supply you with a pager so that you can continue
with other research and they then call you when your request is ready.

When the papers for my ggf arrived it was as though I had turned up the
crown jewels. Besides seeing material written in his own hand in 1870, the
application listed his children and with the simple note against four of
them (Born in Russia) contradicted a presumption that they were all born in
England. (I should add that the children were >from my ggf's marriage to his
first wife who died - they were a generation older than my grandfather).
This means that we need to revise the date when my ggf and his family
arrived in England.

It also gives the family's various addresses for 8 years before the
application for naturalisation.

Finally the application is supported by 4 British citizens who all have
Jewish names. In due course, I will list them as there might be readers of
this group who are connected with them.

In half an hour, I obtained more concrete evidence about my great
grandfather than the family have had since he died in 1903.

My father had thought along with the rest of the family that he and his
wife escaped Russia when he was 18 in about 1850. He was supposed (family
lore - no written confirmation) to have changed his name >from Fredkin to
Landau in order to do so.

What were they doing between 1850 and 1860? How could they have escaped
Russia with 4 children? If he had escaped when 18, how could they have been
travelling round Europe with 4 children?

It has answered some questions - it has raised some others.

Nick Landau

MARCUS ISRAEL LANDAU/FREDKIN(?) (Gomel,Russia/Belarus;London)

For those who took up my free offer of research at Kew, results will be
sent shortly. For some the news is good, for others a blank.

Whilst I will respond directly to those whose families I researched, I
would like to draw to the attention of all genners who want data >from from
Kew Public Record Office a problem of access. In the UK there is no freedom
of information act and as a general rule, there is a 100 year bar on
naturalisation papers. In certain circumstances this is reduced to 70 years
by the UK government Home Office. There appears to be no logic. Last
Friday, I located a (possible) ancestor Solomon Cravitz, who lived in
Ilford, east London. He naturalised in 1911 and may well have been my ggf's
brother. Whilst access to details about spies such as Mata Hari and Rudolf
Hess have just been released, poor old "uncle" Sol remains a state secret
until 2012. Perhaps he was convicted of switching on a light late Friday
night? Of the various possible relatives I located, I was allowed access to
one set of documents only and having spent some five hours selecting and
visiting the collection counter, the staff eventually became highly
embarrassed, but sympathetic. It could be that only those naturalised in
the nineteenth century are guaranteed free access. In other cases, you must
first prove direct lineage.

On a second matter, the PRO is slowly computerising but thought that
naturalisation papers were the lowest priority (We're only foreigners?). I
intend to discuss this with them and will keep you posted.

David Kravitz
Bournemouth, UK
Cremation among Anglo-Jews #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 


I've just found out that one of my grand-aunts and her husband were cremated.
This took place sometime in the 1980s in the UK. Is this or was this a common
practice among some English Jews?

Gail Copeland
Thornhill (Toronto), ON Canada
When you ask: ".... or WAS this" a common practice you sound as though
"the 1980s" are ancient history! But 20 years doesn't even amount to a
blip on the computer screen of 3 millennia of Jewish history!

The practice of cremation is a fairly recent development in Anglo Jewry --
just as in American Jewry (pretty much post WW 2). This practice is
increasing among Reform and Liberal Jews -- the main branches of
Anglo-Jewry that permit it. However, the United Synagogue
(middle-of-the-road-orthodox) does not permit it, as it is contrary to the
Halakhah;-- and it's probable that most English Jews with any synagogue
affiliation at all are still nominally affiliated with the US. It's not
clear, though, how much longer this will hold true, since Anglo-Jewry
(like Israeli Jewry) is becoming increasingly polarized to the right and to
the left so more and more people are likely to abandon the United
Synagogue to join the ranks of one of several branches of "progressive"
Judaism that exist in Britain.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.edu
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