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Place of origin listed in Russian records #general

Alan Shuchat <ashuchat@...>
 

While searching through LDS microfilms of the Jewish community vital
records >from Simferopol, I found that a person's place of origin is often
a part of the record. For instance, a birth record in Simferopol will give
the parents' names and say the father is a townperson >from a place in
Kovno guberniya. Marriage and death records are similar.

Is this generally the actual birthplace of the individual or the most
recent residence before moving to the location where the record was made?
For instance, if someone was born in A, moved to B, and died in C, would
the death record list A or B?

Thanks,

Alan Shuchat
ashuchat@wellesley.edu

Researching:
SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta)
VINOKUR (Talnoye)
KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets)
BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolski)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Place of origin listed in Russian records #general

Alan Shuchat <ashuchat@...>
 

While searching through LDS microfilms of the Jewish community vital
records >from Simferopol, I found that a person's place of origin is often
a part of the record. For instance, a birth record in Simferopol will give
the parents' names and say the father is a townperson >from a place in
Kovno guberniya. Marriage and death records are similar.

Is this generally the actual birthplace of the individual or the most
recent residence before moving to the location where the record was made?
For instance, if someone was born in A, moved to B, and died in C, would
the death record list A or B?

Thanks,

Alan Shuchat
ashuchat@wellesley.edu

Researching:
SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta)
VINOKUR (Talnoye)
KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets)
BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolski)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)


Re: Where is Viteppes? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 99-02-16 19:50:39 EST, bobmar37@AOL.COM writes:

<< Family members came over >from Viteppes, Russia in the 1880s. Where is this
now and what is it called? >>

==Vitebsk?

Michael Bernet, New York

seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET, BERNERTH etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth; JONDORF, Bavaria
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF, Aron married Babette GOLDSCHMIDT ca 1860 in Frankfurt;
WOLF, Sali, b. Fkfrt, d. Rotterrdam 1941/2; WOLF, GOLDSCHMIDT, Wurzburg


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Where is Viteppes? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 99-02-16 19:50:39 EST, bobmar37@AOL.COM writes:

<< Family members came over >from Viteppes, Russia in the 1880s. Where is this
now and what is it called? >>

==Vitebsk?

Michael Bernet, New York

seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET, BERNERTH etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth; JONDORF, Bavaria
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF, Aron married Babette GOLDSCHMIDT ca 1860 in Frankfurt;
WOLF, Sali, b. Fkfrt, d. Rotterrdam 1941/2; WOLF, GOLDSCHMIDT, Wurzburg


Lomza ShtetLink #general

Ted Hochstadt <serapis@...>
 

There is now a JewishGen ShtetLink site for Lomza, Poland. It can be
accessed >from the ShtetLink home page for Poland
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks/index.html#poland
or directly at http://www.erols.com/serapis/Lomza.htm
I welcome contributions that Landsleit and others may wish to make to
the page in the form of text (personal and family narratives etc.),
photographs, Links, etc.

Ted Hochstadt
Falls Church VA USA
serapis@erols.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lomza ShtetLink #general

Ted Hochstadt <serapis@...>
 

There is now a JewishGen ShtetLink site for Lomza, Poland. It can be
accessed >from the ShtetLink home page for Poland
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks/index.html#poland
or directly at http://www.erols.com/serapis/Lomza.htm
I welcome contributions that Landsleit and others may wish to make to
the page in the form of text (personal and family narratives etc.),
photographs, Links, etc.

Ted Hochstadt
Falls Church VA USA
serapis@erols.com


Re: Help with deciphering a photo #general

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Meryl Persky wrote:


Also, everyone is dressed in
what appears to be, very fine clothing.....strange to me because I think
the family was very poor. I wonder if photography studios provided
clothing for their photo shoots?
It was common that the photo-studies provided fine clothing for the ones
who didn't had some themselves. This was not a common costume in Eastern
Europe, but also in Western Europe and probably the US too (which I know
nothing about). A reminder should also be said: even if a family was poor
they could very well have had one set of nice, or at least better, clothing
to use for special occations as marriages, funerals etc.

Adam Katzeff
Malmoe, Sweden
adam.katzeff@mail.bip.net

Searching:
GOLDBERG: Lithuania; Pärnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Stockholm, Sweden; KARSON:
Glasgow, Scotland; KATZEFF: Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia; Pärnu+Tallinn+Dorpat,
Estonia;Stockholm+Gothenburg, Sweden; Copenhagen, Denmark; Glasgow,
Scotland;Boston, Ma, USA; South Africa; NEMZOFF: Belarus; Pärnu, Estonia;
Stockholm+Gothenburg, Sweden; Copenhagen,Denmark; St Petersburg, Russia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SV: Help with deciphering a photo #general

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Meryl Persky wrote:


Also, everyone is dressed in
what appears to be, very fine clothing.....strange to me because I think
the family was very poor. I wonder if photography studios provided
clothing for their photo shoots?
It was common that the photo-studies provided fine clothing for the ones
who didn't had some themselves. This was not a common costume in Eastern
Europe, but also in Western Europe and probably the US too (which I know
nothing about). A reminder should also be said: even if a family was poor
they could very well have had one set of nice, or at least better, clothing
to use for special occations as marriages, funerals etc.

Adam Katzeff
Malmoe, Sweden
adam.katzeff@mail.bip.net

Searching:
GOLDBERG: Lithuania; Pärnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Stockholm, Sweden; KARSON:
Glasgow, Scotland; KATZEFF: Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia; Pärnu+Tallinn+Dorpat,
Estonia;Stockholm+Gothenburg, Sweden; Copenhagen, Denmark; Glasgow,
Scotland;Boston, Ma, USA; South Africa; NEMZOFF: Belarus; Pärnu, Estonia;
Stockholm+Gothenburg, Sweden; Copenhagen,Denmark; St Petersburg, Russia


1848 census #hungary

Louis Schonfeld <lmagyar@...>
 

Those of you who have recently visited our web site and checked out the
current version of the 1848 census will be impressed by its scope and
usefulness. Marc Polster, our webmaster, has already corrected most of the
glitches which caused problems in alphabetizing the names. We would also
like to incorporate the names >from the 1848 Ung country census that was
graciously donated to our web site several months ago by George Eotvos of
Family Tree of Budapest-Csaldfa. However, that presentation is in a
graphical format and needs to be transferred to a format that can be
incorporated into our database. The Csaldfa version is available on the web
at the following URL: http://www.familytree.hu/doc/UNGVAR.doc

This would be a wonderful opportunity for someone who is housebound but
would like to make a significant contribution to our work. To view the
acceptable input formats for our project please see the following URL:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/1848_Zemplin_Census_Project.htm

After the Ung data is included into the 1848 master database we will have
completed nearly 20% of the project.

According to the information gleaned >from Professor Erno Marton's famous
essay penned in 1942, titled the Family Tree of Hungarian Jewry, immigration
into Hungary >from Poland and the German speaking countries virtually ceased
after 1825. At that time the Jewish population of Hungary was calculated to
be 190,000. By 1880, the beginning year of large scale immigration to
America, internal natural growth had accounted for a population increase to
nearly 650,000. We don't know the Jewish population in 1848 since a large
portion of that census has been lost. However, if that number was 250,000
then our project of recording the nearly 25,000 names listed in the census
data still available to us, will account for about 10% of the entire Jewish
population in 1848. A searchable data base of that magnitude, I believe,
would be an important aide in our ongoing research as well as an impressive
demonstration of our determination to complete the task we have chosen for
ourselves.

Gyorgy Ujlucki, who many of you know >from his active involvement in our sig,
has suggested that our next project be a master list of all martyred Jews
who lived in the area of reconstituted Hungary, circa 1941.

I have recorded about 30% of the Pernumeranten in the 1825 Sefer
Schne-Apharim, and hope to have it completed by the end of this month so
please hold all lookup requests to me for this book.

Munkacs burial project update: 10 pages of the 25 total pages to be
transcribed >from the Hebrew to English are already in process, but I can't
predict a completion date. If you can read and transcribe Hebrew names into
English, can open scanned files and have an Excel or a Lotus spreadsheet
program we could use your help to complete this project. I estimate that
transcribing 5 pages would take about 3 hours of work.

Personal note to Leah Kraus: I have tried replying to your e-mail using a
variety of formats, but without success. I have a copy of Chachmei Ungaria,
but thank you for the offer.

Louis Schonfeld

Please visit our website at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/


Hungarian National Circus #hungary

Alan E. Strauss <ah448@...>
 

I found out my great grandfathers brother Franz was the ringmaster of
the Hungarian National Circus. Does anyone know if there are any records
documents, or posters about that circus?

Thanks,
Anschel Strauss

--
____________________
Alan Strauss
ah448@osfn.org


Hungary SIG #Hungary 1848 census #hungary

Louis Schonfeld <lmagyar@...>
 

Those of you who have recently visited our web site and checked out the
current version of the 1848 census will be impressed by its scope and
usefulness. Marc Polster, our webmaster, has already corrected most of the
glitches which caused problems in alphabetizing the names. We would also
like to incorporate the names >from the 1848 Ung country census that was
graciously donated to our web site several months ago by George Eotvos of
Family Tree of Budapest-Csaldfa. However, that presentation is in a
graphical format and needs to be transferred to a format that can be
incorporated into our database. The Csaldfa version is available on the web
at the following URL: http://www.familytree.hu/doc/UNGVAR.doc

This would be a wonderful opportunity for someone who is housebound but
would like to make a significant contribution to our work. To view the
acceptable input formats for our project please see the following URL:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/1848_Zemplin_Census_Project.htm

After the Ung data is included into the 1848 master database we will have
completed nearly 20% of the project.

According to the information gleaned >from Professor Erno Marton's famous
essay penned in 1942, titled the Family Tree of Hungarian Jewry, immigration
into Hungary >from Poland and the German speaking countries virtually ceased
after 1825. At that time the Jewish population of Hungary was calculated to
be 190,000. By 1880, the beginning year of large scale immigration to
America, internal natural growth had accounted for a population increase to
nearly 650,000. We don't know the Jewish population in 1848 since a large
portion of that census has been lost. However, if that number was 250,000
then our project of recording the nearly 25,000 names listed in the census
data still available to us, will account for about 10% of the entire Jewish
population in 1848. A searchable data base of that magnitude, I believe,
would be an important aide in our ongoing research as well as an impressive
demonstration of our determination to complete the task we have chosen for
ourselves.

Gyorgy Ujlucki, who many of you know >from his active involvement in our sig,
has suggested that our next project be a master list of all martyred Jews
who lived in the area of reconstituted Hungary, circa 1941.

I have recorded about 30% of the Pernumeranten in the 1825 Sefer
Schne-Apharim, and hope to have it completed by the end of this month so
please hold all lookup requests to me for this book.

Munkacs burial project update: 10 pages of the 25 total pages to be
transcribed >from the Hebrew to English are already in process, but I can't
predict a completion date. If you can read and transcribe Hebrew names into
English, can open scanned files and have an Excel or a Lotus spreadsheet
program we could use your help to complete this project. I estimate that
transcribing 5 pages would take about 3 hours of work.

Personal note to Leah Kraus: I have tried replying to your e-mail using a
variety of formats, but without success. I have a copy of Chachmei Ungaria,
but thank you for the offer.

Louis Schonfeld

Please visit our website at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian National Circus #hungary

Alan E. Strauss <ah448@...>
 

I found out my great grandfathers brother Franz was the ringmaster of
the Hungarian National Circus. Does anyone know if there are any records
documents, or posters about that circus?

Thanks,
Anschel Strauss

--
____________________
Alan Strauss
ah448@osfn.org


Usvyat in the Vitebsk gubernia #belarus

David M. Fox <fox@...>
 

The following message was sent to me via private e-mail by someone who is
not a member of this discussion group. If you can help, please respond
to her by private e-mail.

David Fox
fox@erols.com
Arnold, MD

**********************************************
Hi Mr. Fox,
I got your name and e-mail address >from the Long Island JGS
publication Lineage. I am trying to research my ggf who lived in Odessa
then emigrated to Palestine probably in the 1880's. His name was Ya'acov
USVIATSKY (transliteration, I've also seen it spelled Uswatska and
Yezratsky). It has been suggested to me that his name indicated that he
might have come >from a small town called Usvyat in the Vitebsk gubernia.
Have you ever heard of this name and do you have any suggestions for
researching it? I assume that the family was Hasidic as my gf described my
ggf (in his only meeting with him as a boy of 10), as " wearing the long
black robe and twisted robe belt of a rabbi" (although I do not know if the
family was actually rabbinic in origin). I'm sorry, but that is the only
information I have at this time.

Thank you for whatever help you can give me.

Sincerely,

Judy Petersen
<KPeter3434@aol.com>


Belarus SIG #Belarus Usvyat in the Vitebsk gubernia #belarus

David M. Fox <fox@...>
 

The following message was sent to me via private e-mail by someone who is
not a member of this discussion group. If you can help, please respond
to her by private e-mail.

David Fox
fox@erols.com
Arnold, MD

**********************************************
Hi Mr. Fox,
I got your name and e-mail address >from the Long Island JGS
publication Lineage. I am trying to research my ggf who lived in Odessa
then emigrated to Palestine probably in the 1880's. His name was Ya'acov
USVIATSKY (transliteration, I've also seen it spelled Uswatska and
Yezratsky). It has been suggested to me that his name indicated that he
might have come >from a small town called Usvyat in the Vitebsk gubernia.
Have you ever heard of this name and do you have any suggestions for
researching it? I assume that the family was Hasidic as my gf described my
ggf (in his only meeting with him as a boy of 10), as " wearing the long
black robe and twisted robe belt of a rabbi" (although I do not know if the
family was actually rabbinic in origin). I'm sorry, but that is the only
information I have at this time.

Thank you for whatever help you can give me.

Sincerely,

Judy Petersen
<KPeter3434@aol.com>


Re: "Suni" As a Female First Name #general

MBernet@...
 

On 11 Feb 1999 06:01:46 -0800, Sonyaskter@aol.com wrote:

Would anyone know where the name "Suni" for a women comes from? Is it a
nickname, or shortened >from something else?

from your name, I'd guess there's a Sonya or two on your family tree. Ergo:
Suni = Sonya

Michael Bernet, New York

seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET, BERNERTH etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth; JONDORF, Bavaria
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF, Aron married Babette GOLDSCHMIDT ca 1860 in Frankfurt;
WOLF, Sali, b. Fkfrt, d. Rotterrdam 1941/2; WOLF, GOLDSCHMIDT, Wurzburg


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Suni" As a Female First Name #general

MBernet@...
 

On 11 Feb 1999 06:01:46 -0800, Sonyaskter@aol.com wrote:

Would anyone know where the name "Suni" for a women comes from? Is it a
nickname, or shortened >from something else?

from your name, I'd guess there's a Sonya or two on your family tree. Ergo:
Suni = Sonya

Michael Bernet, New York

seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET, BERNERTH etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth; JONDORF, Bavaria
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF, Aron married Babette GOLDSCHMIDT ca 1860 in Frankfurt;
WOLF, Sali, b. Fkfrt, d. Rotterrdam 1941/2; WOLF, GOLDSCHMIDT, Wurzburg


Re: "Roots" trip to Poland #general

Willie46@...
 

Rita Nash wrote: "Anyone contemplating such a journey should read "Jewels and
Ashes" by Arnold Zable, a Melbourne writer who made such a trip and recorded
it in a moving and literary manner."

This book is available >from one online bookseller that I queried and can
probably be ordered >from any major chain bookstore.

I am very interested in the Bialystok area and thank Rita Nash for her
recommendation.

Mark Halpern
Hermosa Beach, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Roots" trip to Poland #general

Willie46@...
 

Rita Nash wrote: "Anyone contemplating such a journey should read "Jewels and
Ashes" by Arnold Zable, a Melbourne writer who made such a trip and recorded
it in a moving and literary manner."

This book is available >from one online bookseller that I queried and can
probably be ordered >from any major chain bookstore.

I am very interested in the Bialystok area and thank Rita Nash for her
recommendation.

Mark Halpern
Hermosa Beach, CA


Second marriage with the sister of the deceased wife #general

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

In the last week I have read many of the posts regarding
intrafamily-marriages in different forms. I became especially interested
in the description of widower marrying a sister of his deceased wife.

My gggf married twice in his life. His second marriage, in which my ggf was
born, was with a woman who was 15 years younger than himself. Now I'm
thinking of the possibility that he was married with an older sister of her
in his first marriage. The reason I suspect this is that both he and his
second wife was born in the same shtetl in Lithuania (Tapelau). At the time
of his second marriage he wasn't living in Lithuania anymore. He was a
travelling salesman and probably lived in Latvia (Gub. Livonia) at the time
of his second marriage. Later on he moved to Estonia were my ggf and his
siblings were born. My question is: Why did my gggf married a woman from
his homevillage when he was living far away >from there? Is it a likely
explanation that it was because she was a sister of his first (deceased)
wife?

I know it's impossible to give an exact answer on the question, but please,
anyone who have a good opinion on the subject, answer me. Hopefully it will
make it easier for me in my searchings for my gggf and his first family!

Adam Katzeff
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@mail.bip.net

Searching:
GOLDBERG: Lithuania; Pärnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Stockholm, Sweden
KARSON: Glasgow, Scotland KATZEFF: Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia;
Pärnu+Tallinn+Dorpat, Estonia;
Stockholm+Gothenburg, Sweden; Copenhagen, Denmark; Glasgow, Scotland;
Boston, MA, USA; South Africa NEMZOFF: Belarus; Pärnu, Estonia;
Stockholm+Gothenburg, Sweden; Copenhagen,Denmark; St Petersburg, Russia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Second marriage with the sister of the deceased wife #general

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

In the last week I have read many of the posts regarding
intrafamily-marriages in different forms. I became especially interested
in the description of widower marrying a sister of his deceased wife.

My gggf married twice in his life. His second marriage, in which my ggf was
born, was with a woman who was 15 years younger than himself. Now I'm
thinking of the possibility that he was married with an older sister of her
in his first marriage. The reason I suspect this is that both he and his
second wife was born in the same shtetl in Lithuania (Tapelau). At the time
of his second marriage he wasn't living in Lithuania anymore. He was a
travelling salesman and probably lived in Latvia (Gub. Livonia) at the time
of his second marriage. Later on he moved to Estonia were my ggf and his
siblings were born. My question is: Why did my gggf married a woman from
his homevillage when he was living far away >from there? Is it a likely
explanation that it was because she was a sister of his first (deceased)
wife?

I know it's impossible to give an exact answer on the question, but please,
anyone who have a good opinion on the subject, answer me. Hopefully it will
make it easier for me in my searchings for my gggf and his first family!

Adam Katzeff
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@mail.bip.net

Searching:
GOLDBERG: Lithuania; Pärnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Stockholm, Sweden
KARSON: Glasgow, Scotland KATZEFF: Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia;
Pärnu+Tallinn+Dorpat, Estonia;
Stockholm+Gothenburg, Sweden; Copenhagen, Denmark; Glasgow, Scotland;
Boston, MA, USA; South Africa NEMZOFF: Belarus; Pärnu, Estonia;
Stockholm+Gothenburg, Sweden; Copenhagen,Denmark; St Petersburg, Russia