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March Meeting JGS Palm Springs #general

Glynne
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Palm Springs invites you to attend our March
Meeting. The weather is still beautiful. Please join us if you are in town.

Program: Oral History
Preserving Your Family Story
Learn how to take oral histories
and share your oral history experiences.
Date: Sunday, March 28, 1999
Time: 2 p.m.
Place: Jewish Federation
255 N. El Cielo Rd.
Palm Springs, CA
For more information call Gay Lynne Kegan 340-6554.
Gay Lynne Kegan
Searching:HOFFENBERG, Josvainiai, Lithuania OWSIANKA Nasielsk Poland,
GOMER/GAMMER Chudnov, Urkaine KAGAN Novozlatopol Ukraine


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen March Meeting JGS Palm Springs #general

Glynne
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Palm Springs invites you to attend our March
Meeting. The weather is still beautiful. Please join us if you are in town.

Program: Oral History
Preserving Your Family Story
Learn how to take oral histories
and share your oral history experiences.
Date: Sunday, March 28, 1999
Time: 2 p.m.
Place: Jewish Federation
255 N. El Cielo Rd.
Palm Springs, CA
For more information call Gay Lynne Kegan 340-6554.
Gay Lynne Kegan
Searching:HOFFENBERG, Josvainiai, Lithuania OWSIANKA Nasielsk Poland,
GOMER/GAMMER Chudnov, Urkaine KAGAN Novozlatopol Ukraine


Cholopenitz, Charae #general

Bruce Soskind <sweetestchild@...>
 

I am searching for information about these two shtetlach (Cholopenitz,
Charae) that my Grandfather's family came from. I believe they are in
either Vitebsk Gubernya or Mogilev Gubernya. My family name is
SOSKIN(D) (my grandfather added the "d" - everyone else spelled it
without. Also >from that part of my family is: SCHACHRAY, and CHANIN.

Thanks for the help!

Shalom!
Bruce Soskind


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cholopenitz, Charae #general

Bruce Soskind <sweetestchild@...>
 

I am searching for information about these two shtetlach (Cholopenitz,
Charae) that my Grandfather's family came from. I believe they are in
either Vitebsk Gubernya or Mogilev Gubernya. My family name is
SOSKIN(D) (my grandfather added the "d" - everyone else spelled it
without. Also >from that part of my family is: SCHACHRAY, and CHANIN.

Thanks for the help!

Shalom!
Bruce Soskind


JGS (S.Alberta) March 15th meeting #general

haflo <haflo@...>
 

On March 15th, Bertha Gold will share her secrets on effective questioning
techniques for fleshing out a family history. For many years now, Bertha
has skillfully interviewed community members on behalf of the Jewish
Historical Society of Southern Alberta. She will give us tips on how to
prompt a subject's memories, win their confidence, & lead the conversation
along appropriate lines. Bertha will also demonstrate how to effectively
tape the interaction. Printed information will be distibuted.
The talk will be followed by a question & answer period, after which we
will have an opportunity to visit the Jewish Historical Society's Harry B.
Cohen Library in the same building. Its extensive genealogical resources
are available for our members to borrow.

Please make a note of the upcomming meeting:
Date: Monday, March 15, 1999
Time: 7:00pm
Topic: "Recording Your Oral History"
Speaker: Bertha Gold
Location: Calgary Jewish Community Centre
1607-90th Ave., SW

For more information, call Florence at 850-4337
or email to haflo@cadvision.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS (S.Alberta) March 15th meeting #general

haflo <haflo@...>
 

On March 15th, Bertha Gold will share her secrets on effective questioning
techniques for fleshing out a family history. For many years now, Bertha
has skillfully interviewed community members on behalf of the Jewish
Historical Society of Southern Alberta. She will give us tips on how to
prompt a subject's memories, win their confidence, & lead the conversation
along appropriate lines. Bertha will also demonstrate how to effectively
tape the interaction. Printed information will be distibuted.
The talk will be followed by a question & answer period, after which we
will have an opportunity to visit the Jewish Historical Society's Harry B.
Cohen Library in the same building. Its extensive genealogical resources
are available for our members to borrow.

Please make a note of the upcomming meeting:
Date: Monday, March 15, 1999
Time: 7:00pm
Topic: "Recording Your Oral History"
Speaker: Bertha Gold
Location: Calgary Jewish Community Centre
1607-90th Ave., SW

For more information, call Florence at 850-4337
or email to haflo@cadvision.com


PIASTYNOWITCH #general

IsraelP <p2o5rock@...>
 

The name Bessie PIATYNOWITCH showed up on the SS-5 of a
first cousin of my great-grandfather, as his mother's maiden
name. Her husband was Isaac Gordon. The cousin (Bessie's
son) was born 1886 in Minsk.

If anyone is "doing" this uncommon name, I have some lines
which may interest you.

Israel Pickholtz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen PIASTYNOWITCH #general

IsraelP <p2o5rock@...>
 

The name Bessie PIATYNOWITCH showed up on the SS-5 of a
first cousin of my great-grandfather, as his mother's maiden
name. Her husband was Isaac Gordon. The cousin (Bessie's
son) was born 1886 in Minsk.

If anyone is "doing" this uncommon name, I have some lines
which may interest you.

Israel Pickholtz


Thank you everyone #general

Leonardo Herzenberg <cherzenb@...>
 

Leonardo Herzenberg wrote:

I am looking for an approximate date for when people had to assume
European style names instead of their Jewish names. I am trying to find
out how many generations before 1790 would have had the Herzenberg name
in Latvia. TIA for any info.

Leonardo Herzenberg e-mail: herzenberg@computer.org
Thanks much to all who replied. Your information was very helpful.

Leo


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thank you everyone #general

Leonardo Herzenberg <cherzenb@...>
 

Leonardo Herzenberg wrote:

I am looking for an approximate date for when people had to assume
European style names instead of their Jewish names. I am trying to find
out how many generations before 1790 would have had the Herzenberg name
in Latvia. TIA for any info.

Leonardo Herzenberg e-mail: herzenberg@computer.org
Thanks much to all who replied. Your information was very helpful.

Leo


A needle in a haystack-Sochaczew/Zaluschin Poland #general

jan allen <janmallen@...>
 

Dear Jewish Genner's:
I am trying to find almost the impossible. But since Jewish Gen enabled me
to find another needle in the haystack and find a branch of the family
which neither side knew of I am again trying for the impossible!

My maternal grandmother, Pess SCHLANG/SCHLEUNG ( maiden name) and her
sister Rochel SCHLANG/SCHLEUNG immigrated in September 1898 >from Zaluschin
Poland ( name of town the ship's manifest), yet we were always told that
they came >from Sochaczew, Poland. They left behind their parents -- Necchi
KLEINMAN SCHLANG/SCHLEUNG and Mordachai SCHLANG/SCHLEUNG, and two younger
sisters, to the best of our knowledge, of those who were still alive by
WWII, were killed in the Holocaust.

We know that one sister Helena SCHLANG/SCHLEUNG and the other sister Bayla
SCHLANG/SCHLEUNG were married, but don't know their married names.
Following WWII, one sister's son and the other's son-in-law went to Israel.
One was killed as a fighter pilot in the 1948 war for independence the
other was killed in an automobile accident in Israel in the late 1940's or
early 1950's.

Does anyone know how I might locate in Israel an organization that might
know of these two persons? Is there a society of Sochaczew residents that
might know of these people? Their names and whether they had any children
that might also have survived the Holocaust? And if they might still be
surviving?
I don't have access to a Sochaczew Yizkor book, nor do I read Hebrew if I
had access to it that might tell of the descendents of the
SCHLANG/SCHLEUNG/KLEINMAN's?

Thank you

Jan Meisels Allen
Agoura Hills, CA
janmallen@worldnet.att.net

SEARCHING:
SCHLANG/SCHLEUNG, KLEINMAN - Sochaczew/Zaluschin Poland
FREIER,WILLIAMOFSKY,PENTOVSKY,LAZERSOHN,KREPLAK,KAVKEVICH,Stavisk,Poland
IMYAKOWICH, IMYAK, LAZERSOHN, SHAPIRO -- Lomza/Ostrolenka Poland
REICH -- Eparjes, Hungary/ Presov, Slovakia
MEISELS -- Brody, Ukraine
GOODFARB, Zambrow, Poland; IMYAK--Cuba, Venezuela


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen A needle in a haystack-Sochaczew/Zaluschin Poland #general

jan allen <janmallen@...>
 

Dear Jewish Genner's:
I am trying to find almost the impossible. But since Jewish Gen enabled me
to find another needle in the haystack and find a branch of the family
which neither side knew of I am again trying for the impossible!

My maternal grandmother, Pess SCHLANG/SCHLEUNG ( maiden name) and her
sister Rochel SCHLANG/SCHLEUNG immigrated in September 1898 >from Zaluschin
Poland ( name of town the ship's manifest), yet we were always told that
they came >from Sochaczew, Poland. They left behind their parents -- Necchi
KLEINMAN SCHLANG/SCHLEUNG and Mordachai SCHLANG/SCHLEUNG, and two younger
sisters, to the best of our knowledge, of those who were still alive by
WWII, were killed in the Holocaust.

We know that one sister Helena SCHLANG/SCHLEUNG and the other sister Bayla
SCHLANG/SCHLEUNG were married, but don't know their married names.
Following WWII, one sister's son and the other's son-in-law went to Israel.
One was killed as a fighter pilot in the 1948 war for independence the
other was killed in an automobile accident in Israel in the late 1940's or
early 1950's.

Does anyone know how I might locate in Israel an organization that might
know of these two persons? Is there a society of Sochaczew residents that
might know of these people? Their names and whether they had any children
that might also have survived the Holocaust? And if they might still be
surviving?
I don't have access to a Sochaczew Yizkor book, nor do I read Hebrew if I
had access to it that might tell of the descendents of the
SCHLANG/SCHLEUNG/KLEINMAN's?

Thank you

Jan Meisels Allen
Agoura Hills, CA
janmallen@worldnet.att.net

SEARCHING:
SCHLANG/SCHLEUNG, KLEINMAN - Sochaczew/Zaluschin Poland
FREIER,WILLIAMOFSKY,PENTOVSKY,LAZERSOHN,KREPLAK,KAVKEVICH,Stavisk,Poland
IMYAKOWICH, IMYAK, LAZERSOHN, SHAPIRO -- Lomza/Ostrolenka Poland
REICH -- Eparjes, Hungary/ Presov, Slovakia
MEISELS -- Brody, Ukraine
GOODFARB, Zambrow, Poland; IMYAK--Cuba, Venezuela


Re: Kosher = Hallal, but not vice versa! #general

Nick Landau <nick@...>
 

The statement in the title, Kosher=Hallal also implies that Hallal=Kosher.
That is what the = sign means. = represents the identity.

The Kosher rules are contained within the Hallal rules but not vice versa.
In other words the Kosher rules are a subset of the Hallal rules.
Represented as a Venn diagram, the Kosher circle would be contained within
the Hallal circle.

If the Kosher circle is S (see below) and the Hallal circle is P, the
diagram neatly illustrates that all S (Kosher) is P (Hallal) but all P
(Hallal) is not S (Kosher).

Nick

In article <v03010d01b30b7a7dce7a@[128.148.19.78]>,
jrw@Brown.edu (Judith Romney Wegner) wrote:

Subject: Cuisine for Geneology
From: (David Edelman)
Likewise, the Muslims dietary laws are similare enough to ours, that
we can go to each others grocers, if need be.
Not exactly. You are correct in suggesting that meat that is kosher for
Jews is halal (i.e., kosher) for Muslims. That's because the Qur'an
(sura 5:5) says explicitly that "the food of the People of the Book is
halal (lawful) for you too." But the reverse is not at all the case.
(For instance, shellfish are permitted to Muslims but not to Jews.)

You have fallen prey to a well-known logical fallacy here. "All S is P"
doesn not necessarily imply that "all P is S." Meat will be kosher for
Jews only if killed strictly according to the prescribed mishnaic and
talmudic rules (tractate Hullin) with the recitation of the designated
Hebrew formulae.
snip

Judith Romney Wegner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Kosher = Hallal, but not vice versa! #general

Nick Landau <nick@...>
 

The statement in the title, Kosher=Hallal also implies that Hallal=Kosher.
That is what the = sign means. = represents the identity.

The Kosher rules are contained within the Hallal rules but not vice versa.
In other words the Kosher rules are a subset of the Hallal rules.
Represented as a Venn diagram, the Kosher circle would be contained within
the Hallal circle.

If the Kosher circle is S (see below) and the Hallal circle is P, the
diagram neatly illustrates that all S (Kosher) is P (Hallal) but all P
(Hallal) is not S (Kosher).

Nick

In article <v03010d01b30b7a7dce7a@[128.148.19.78]>,
jrw@Brown.edu (Judith Romney Wegner) wrote:

Subject: Cuisine for Geneology
From: (David Edelman)
Likewise, the Muslims dietary laws are similare enough to ours, that
we can go to each others grocers, if need be.
Not exactly. You are correct in suggesting that meat that is kosher for
Jews is halal (i.e., kosher) for Muslims. That's because the Qur'an
(sura 5:5) says explicitly that "the food of the People of the Book is
halal (lawful) for you too." But the reverse is not at all the case.
(For instance, shellfish are permitted to Muslims but not to Jews.)

You have fallen prey to a well-known logical fallacy here. "All S is P"
doesn not necessarily imply that "all P is S." Meat will be kosher for
Jews only if killed strictly according to the prescribed mishnaic and
talmudic rules (tractate Hullin) with the recitation of the designated
Hebrew formulae.
snip

Judith Romney Wegner


Re: 1901 Census in England #general

Barbara Murrant
 

Yes, you can get this info >from the 1901 census for ?40. It was the best
?40 I have ever spent as I had found a g grandfather's birth in an
unexpected place and the 1901 census convinced me that he was actually born
there. You do have to give an exact address, and also certify that you are
a direct descendent ie child/grandchild/great grandchild of a named person
at that address. They will only give details of the people that you name
in the household.

Barbara Murrant
Hertfordshire, England
barbara@murrant.freeserve.co.uk


From: Nick Landau [SMTP:nick@n-landau.demon.co.uk]
Subject: Re: 1901 Census in England

I was distinctly under the impression that there was a blanket 100-year ban
on the release of UK Census data.
You would have to be positive about an address to obtain the information at
the Family Records Centre anyway as that is the only way that it is
referenced.
If this is the case, why does not everyone do it that way?
If you are right, I am very surprised. I speak as both a former Census
enumerator and a former Census data analyst.
Nick Landau

In article <01BE69B2.B7882280.Jane@Henio.Muc.De>,
Jane@Henio.Muc.De (Jane Lachs) wrote:

If you are stuck and are waiting for the 1901 census in 2002 you can get
specific details at a cost.
If you are positive about an address you can apply to the Family Record
Centre at Middleton House, London Tel Nr. 0181 392 5300. You get a
recorded
message telling you to push a certain number: You want Nr. 4.
They will send you a form to complete which you return with ?40 pounds
[approx $65 dollars].
They will then send you the information for that address.
Regards >from Jane Lachs in Munich Jane@Henio.Muc.De


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: 1901 Census in England #general

Barbara Murrant
 

Yes, you can get this info >from the 1901 census for ?40. It was the best
?40 I have ever spent as I had found a g grandfather's birth in an
unexpected place and the 1901 census convinced me that he was actually born
there. You do have to give an exact address, and also certify that you are
a direct descendent ie child/grandchild/great grandchild of a named person
at that address. They will only give details of the people that you name
in the household.

Barbara Murrant
Hertfordshire, England
barbara@murrant.freeserve.co.uk


From: Nick Landau [SMTP:nick@n-landau.demon.co.uk]
Subject: Re: 1901 Census in England

I was distinctly under the impression that there was a blanket 100-year ban
on the release of UK Census data.
You would have to be positive about an address to obtain the information at
the Family Records Centre anyway as that is the only way that it is
referenced.
If this is the case, why does not everyone do it that way?
If you are right, I am very surprised. I speak as both a former Census
enumerator and a former Census data analyst.
Nick Landau

In article <01BE69B2.B7882280.Jane@Henio.Muc.De>,
Jane@Henio.Muc.De (Jane Lachs) wrote:

If you are stuck and are waiting for the 1901 census in 2002 you can get
specific details at a cost.
If you are positive about an address you can apply to the Family Record
Centre at Middleton House, London Tel Nr. 0181 392 5300. You get a
recorded
message telling you to push a certain number: You want Nr. 4.
They will send you a form to complete which you return with ?40 pounds
[approx $65 dollars].
They will then send you the information for that address.
Regards >from Jane Lachs in Munich Jane@Henio.Muc.De


Access to records of Machpellah Cemetery, Flint, Michigan #general

Roy Ogus <ogus@...>
 

Does anyone have access to the cemetery records for the Machpellah
Cemetery in Flint, Michigan?

I'm looking for some information on the burials for a few relatives of
mine who are buried there. I have the cemetery's phone number
(810-736-7020), but the phone doesn't seem to be answered.

If anyone lives near the cemetery, and would be willing to try to find
out the information for me, please contact me privately.

Thanks.

Roy Ogus
Palo Alto, California
ogus@impact.xerox.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Access to records of Machpellah Cemetery, Flint, Michigan #general

Roy Ogus <ogus@...>
 

Does anyone have access to the cemetery records for the Machpellah
Cemetery in Flint, Michigan?

I'm looking for some information on the burials for a few relatives of
mine who are buried there. I have the cemetery's phone number
(810-736-7020), but the phone doesn't seem to be answered.

If anyone lives near the cemetery, and would be willing to try to find
out the information for me, please contact me privately.

Thanks.

Roy Ogus
Palo Alto, California
ogus@impact.xerox.com


origin of the name Mathilda #general

Jonina Duker <jonina.duker@...>
 

Per Kolatch 1984, the name means "powerful in battle" or "battlemaid"
but there are no meaning-equivalent names listed for Hebrew or Yiddish
(maybe a native speaker of either one knows such?) Kolatch does say that
Hilda is a variant which can be sometimes a Yiddish name so that might be
a possiblity. Not sure if that helps you ... Jonina Duker


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen origin of the name Mathilda #general

Jonina Duker <jonina.duker@...>
 

Per Kolatch 1984, the name means "powerful in battle" or "battlemaid"
but there are no meaning-equivalent names listed for Hebrew or Yiddish
(maybe a native speaker of either one knows such?) Kolatch does say that
Hilda is a variant which can be sometimes a Yiddish name so that might be
a possiblity. Not sure if that helps you ... Jonina Duker