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SYTNER #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

Now I have another name to search for: SYTNER
this is a quote: >from Saron and Hotz "The Jews of South Africa"

"Equally popular was Albert H.Sytner, who was elected to the town

council in 1899, defeating the sitting member who had represented

the ward for thirty years. Subsequenty he was elected unopposed.

Sytner held office in other public bodies and institutions, Jewish

and non-Jewish and was president of the Hebrew Congregation several
times."


I also found references in Louis Herrman's "History of the Jews in

South Africa" of a Mr. L. Sytner in Cape Town who was a warden of the Cap
e Town
Synagogue 1893 to 1895.

Can anyone find a living South African SYTNER?

searching: MARGOLYES, TURIANSKY, PASEVITCH (PACEWICZ),

STUPEL (all >from Indura & Grodno, Belarus, then Glasgow):
SANDEMAN (SANDMANN) Middlesbrough, UK & Germany,South Africa:
LAZARUS (Berlin), GELBORD (Belarus & Edinburgh): POSNER (Germany,

prob. Berlin)

Miriam Margolyes 75342.3217@compuserve.com
Santa Monica


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SYTNER #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

Now I have another name to search for: SYTNER
this is a quote: >from Saron and Hotz "The Jews of South Africa"

"Equally popular was Albert H.Sytner, who was elected to the town

council in 1899, defeating the sitting member who had represented

the ward for thirty years. Subsequenty he was elected unopposed.

Sytner held office in other public bodies and institutions, Jewish

and non-Jewish and was president of the Hebrew Congregation several
times."


I also found references in Louis Herrman's "History of the Jews in

South Africa" of a Mr. L. Sytner in Cape Town who was a warden of the Cap
e Town
Synagogue 1893 to 1895.

Can anyone find a living South African SYTNER?

searching: MARGOLYES, TURIANSKY, PASEVITCH (PACEWICZ),

STUPEL (all >from Indura & Grodno, Belarus, then Glasgow):
SANDEMAN (SANDMANN) Middlesbrough, UK & Germany,South Africa:
LAZARUS (Berlin), GELBORD (Belarus & Edinburgh): POSNER (Germany,

prob. Berlin)

Miriam Margolyes 75342.3217@compuserve.com
Santa Monica


Re: Ragas #general

SiCanto@...
 

Hello.

I, too, am trying to get in touch with RAGAS. I got some information from
the public library.
They told me I needed new forms and should e-mail:

Vlad Soshnikov
ragas@cityline.ru

They do Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus.

Good luck.

Cheryl
SiCanto@aol.com
Arizona


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ragas #general

SiCanto@...
 

Hello.

I, too, am trying to get in touch with RAGAS. I got some information from
the public library.
They told me I needed new forms and should e-mail:

Vlad Soshnikov
ragas@cityline.ru

They do Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus.

Good luck.

Cheryl
SiCanto@aol.com
Arizona


Searching GOLDBERG, Tyczyn Poland 1850-1864 #general

Moses Lenzky <mlenzky@...>
 

A Shlomo GOLDBERG died about 1860 in Tyczyn (galica) (I belive he could
have been a Chasidic Rebbe). His Wife Rifka died in 1862. I know that
they had a son by the name Sholom Zusha which was a Rabbi in Kolbusowa
& Died around 1895. This Sholom Zusha had a son Sholom which died in
Krakow in 1922.I was told that Rifka was a Daughter of the youngest
daughter of the chasidic rebbe Reb Elimelech of Lezensk. Anyone who
knows that this fact is true or is a descendant of these GOLDBERG's
should please respond.

Moshe Lenzky
mlenzky@yahoo.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching GOLDBERG, Tyczyn Poland 1850-1864 #general

Moses Lenzky <mlenzky@...>
 

A Shlomo GOLDBERG died about 1860 in Tyczyn (galica) (I belive he could
have been a Chasidic Rebbe). His Wife Rifka died in 1862. I know that
they had a son by the name Sholom Zusha which was a Rabbi in Kolbusowa
& Died around 1895. This Sholom Zusha had a son Sholom which died in
Krakow in 1922.I was told that Rifka was a Daughter of the youngest
daughter of the chasidic rebbe Reb Elimelech of Lezensk. Anyone who
knows that this fact is true or is a descendant of these GOLDBERG's
should please respond.

Moshe Lenzky
mlenzky@yahoo.com


Weinberger from Ungvar #general

Yonatan Ben-David <YoniBenD@...>
 

Hi...

I am researcing my ggf's family, the Weinbergers >from Ungvar, Hungary
(now Uzhborod, Ukraine) I know little about them, but I have been able
to assemble some pieces. My ggf was Emanuel Weinberger, who came >from
Ungvar to NYC in 1883. As far as I know, he is the only one in his
family to emigrate to the USA. It is possible that other relatives
emigrated to other countries earlier this century, but as yet I have no
knowledge of this.

About six weeks ago, I contacted everyone on the JGFF that was searching
for Weinbergers >from Ungvar and >from Hungary, yet at that time I had
less
information. Now that I have a bit more information, I am posting this
to the list.

Here are the scraps I have been able to piece together, thanks to
Eliyahu Reisman and his Chevra Kedisha Book >from Ungvar: David
Weinberger had a son named Yosef Weinberger. Yosef died in 1880. Yosef
was married to Blima, and they had at least two sons and a daughter:
Henry/Chaim (d.1900), Basha (d.1895), and Moshe (d.1895). Moshe died
seven days after Basha, which seems a bit odd to me - I wonder if there
was a connection somehow. There were no death records for spouses of
Basha or Moshe, yet I know that Henry/Chaim's wife, Katty, died in 1944
at the age of 106. Henry/Chaim and Katty had at least three children:
Emanuel (1860-1952), Herschel, and Malka (d.1925). I know that Herschel
had a wife and many children, as I possess a picture of him and his
family, but I dont know their names. Most likely he and his family
perished in the Holocaust. It seems that Malka died unmarried. Emanuel
had eight children in the US, and left behind a huge family - of which I
am a part.

Now that I have started to put together a family tree, I am wondering
where I can get further information. Are any of you descendants of the
above-listed people? Also, where are there birth and marriage records
for Ungvar? I understand that the Mormons have not been able to film in
the Ukraine, but are there other sources for obtaining records or
information? Are there transport lists of Residents of Ungvar that
were deported to Auschwitz? Were there any Jewish censuses taken in
this century before WW11? Louis Schonfeld, of H-Sig, told me that many
members of this list have ancestors >from Ungvar, so if any of you have
leads or resources, Iwould be very grateful.

Thank You,

Yonatan Ben-David
Tel-Aviv

Also Searching the families (especially siblings and parents) of:
Emanuel/Manachem KLEIN, born in Tisza-Bezded, lived and died in
Fehergyarmat
Fani FISCHER Klein, born in Baka, lived and died in Fehergyarmat


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Weinberger from Ungvar #general

Yonatan Ben-David <YoniBenD@...>
 

Hi...

I am researcing my ggf's family, the Weinbergers >from Ungvar, Hungary
(now Uzhborod, Ukraine) I know little about them, but I have been able
to assemble some pieces. My ggf was Emanuel Weinberger, who came >from
Ungvar to NYC in 1883. As far as I know, he is the only one in his
family to emigrate to the USA. It is possible that other relatives
emigrated to other countries earlier this century, but as yet I have no
knowledge of this.

About six weeks ago, I contacted everyone on the JGFF that was searching
for Weinbergers >from Ungvar and >from Hungary, yet at that time I had
less
information. Now that I have a bit more information, I am posting this
to the list.

Here are the scraps I have been able to piece together, thanks to
Eliyahu Reisman and his Chevra Kedisha Book >from Ungvar: David
Weinberger had a son named Yosef Weinberger. Yosef died in 1880. Yosef
was married to Blima, and they had at least two sons and a daughter:
Henry/Chaim (d.1900), Basha (d.1895), and Moshe (d.1895). Moshe died
seven days after Basha, which seems a bit odd to me - I wonder if there
was a connection somehow. There were no death records for spouses of
Basha or Moshe, yet I know that Henry/Chaim's wife, Katty, died in 1944
at the age of 106. Henry/Chaim and Katty had at least three children:
Emanuel (1860-1952), Herschel, and Malka (d.1925). I know that Herschel
had a wife and many children, as I possess a picture of him and his
family, but I dont know their names. Most likely he and his family
perished in the Holocaust. It seems that Malka died unmarried. Emanuel
had eight children in the US, and left behind a huge family - of which I
am a part.

Now that I have started to put together a family tree, I am wondering
where I can get further information. Are any of you descendants of the
above-listed people? Also, where are there birth and marriage records
for Ungvar? I understand that the Mormons have not been able to film in
the Ukraine, but are there other sources for obtaining records or
information? Are there transport lists of Residents of Ungvar that
were deported to Auschwitz? Were there any Jewish censuses taken in
this century before WW11? Louis Schonfeld, of H-Sig, told me that many
members of this list have ancestors >from Ungvar, so if any of you have
leads or resources, Iwould be very grateful.

Thank You,

Yonatan Ben-David
Tel-Aviv

Also Searching the families (especially siblings and parents) of:
Emanuel/Manachem KLEIN, born in Tisza-Bezded, lived and died in
Fehergyarmat
Fani FISCHER Klein, born in Baka, lived and died in Fehergyarmat


VOZICK SORKIN HUBERGRITZ #general

Alexandra Vozick Hans <vozick@...>
 

Is VOZICK a name that is found among Czech people? Does anyone know how a
street in Tabor, Czech Republic came to have my family name of VOZICK? We
have never been able to find any relatives anywhere in the world outside of
our immediate family with the VOZICK name. I have just discovered this
street, and would be so grateful if anyone can explain how it received the
name VOZICK.
We are able to trace the family back to Donetsk and Odessa Ukraine. great
grandmother Rochel Leah SORKIN, Grandfather Chunah Vozick and Grandmother
Masha HUBERGRITZ KAZAN-CHAZAN emigrated in 1906 to New York City.
We would be grateful for any information about the origin of the family
name, and any other information about people with this name, its meaning and
commonality. Thank you. Please email me
privately, vozick@mediaone.net
Thank you very much, Alexandra VOZICK HANS

seeking VOZICK SORKIN HUBERGRITZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen VOZICK SORKIN HUBERGRITZ #general

Alexandra Vozick Hans <vozick@...>
 

Is VOZICK a name that is found among Czech people? Does anyone know how a
street in Tabor, Czech Republic came to have my family name of VOZICK? We
have never been able to find any relatives anywhere in the world outside of
our immediate family with the VOZICK name. I have just discovered this
street, and would be so grateful if anyone can explain how it received the
name VOZICK.
We are able to trace the family back to Donetsk and Odessa Ukraine. great
grandmother Rochel Leah SORKIN, Grandfather Chunah Vozick and Grandmother
Masha HUBERGRITZ KAZAN-CHAZAN emigrated in 1906 to New York City.
We would be grateful for any information about the origin of the family
name, and any other information about people with this name, its meaning and
commonality. Thank you. Please email me
privately, vozick@mediaone.net
Thank you very much, Alexandra VOZICK HANS

seeking VOZICK SORKIN HUBERGRITZ


Jewish Families of Paderborn #general

Gunther Steinberg <Gunther-Steinberg-PV@...>
 

We just received a second book by Margit Naarmann entitled
"Von Ihren Leuten Wohnt hier keiner mehr" (Your people don't live here any
more),
which chronicles the Jewish families that lived in Paderborn in the 1930s.
1. The first part is a history of the Jews of Paderborn until 1933. (pp
21-24)
2. The National Socialist Time Period (pp. 25- 102)
3. Biographical (pp.103-506) Details of about 110 Jewish Families.
(I can provide the list of families on request, but not here and now)

Appendices include:
JewIsh Cemetry- Warburger Strasse
"Arianized" Jewish property in Paderborn
List of Names on the Memorial in Paderborn
Tables of Jewish individuals and families
Tables of the children and staff of the Jewish orphanage in Paderborn.

Dr. Naarmann's first book was entitled: "Jews of Paderborn, 1802 - 1945

Both books were written in German !

I will be pleased to do any lookups for familiy names or data in the Tables.
E-mail me direct, please and allow time to answer.


Gunther Steinberg
Portola Valley CA USA
mailto:Gunther-Steinberg-PV@worldnet.att.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Families of Paderborn #general

Gunther Steinberg <Gunther-Steinberg-PV@...>
 

We just received a second book by Margit Naarmann entitled
"Von Ihren Leuten Wohnt hier keiner mehr" (Your people don't live here any
more),
which chronicles the Jewish families that lived in Paderborn in the 1930s.
1. The first part is a history of the Jews of Paderborn until 1933. (pp
21-24)
2. The National Socialist Time Period (pp. 25- 102)
3. Biographical (pp.103-506) Details of about 110 Jewish Families.
(I can provide the list of families on request, but not here and now)

Appendices include:
JewIsh Cemetry- Warburger Strasse
"Arianized" Jewish property in Paderborn
List of Names on the Memorial in Paderborn
Tables of Jewish individuals and families
Tables of the children and staff of the Jewish orphanage in Paderborn.

Dr. Naarmann's first book was entitled: "Jews of Paderborn, 1802 - 1945

Both books were written in German !

I will be pleased to do any lookups for familiy names or data in the Tables.
E-mail me direct, please and allow time to answer.


Gunther Steinberg
Portola Valley CA USA
mailto:Gunther-Steinberg-PV@worldnet.att.net


Search for FABER/LINDENBAUM #general

M. Faber <mfaber@...>
 

As a beginner in Genealogy, I apologize first for any errors I might make.

I am trying to find information on some of my husbands family. They have
very little history and what we do have is vague. The following are his
Paternal Grandparents (all deceased)

Saul (Kiev) Faber & Dorothy (Kiev) Goldman (m.1921)

and Great Grandparents:
Samuel Goldman (Kiev) m. Bessie Kortick
Dorothy/Sadie's siblings are: Anne, Irving, Sylvia & Jane Goldman

Fanny Lindenbaum (Bessarabie, Moldavia, Russia) m. Samuel Faber (Germany?)
Saul/Solomons's siblings are: Israel/Is, Selma, Jacob/Jack, David, Sarah
Roberta/Bobby, & Benjamin/Bunny.

Fanny Lindenbaums parents are Solomon & Libby.

If this is any part of your family branch, please let me know.

Thanks for your time.
Monica (Freed) Faber
Sherman, TX
mfaber@texoma.net

MODERATOR NOTE: Go to the following: http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff It's one
of our most visited sites. Look for the surnames you're
searching and enter yours for others to find.


ISRAEL family #general

Mrs M Sprott <msprott@...>
 

I am so excited, as a kind man >from England has found my Grandmother's
family. I am searching for any decendants of Morris and June/Jane/Jeanette
Israel, formerly Goodman. Morris Israel was born in Prussia. He married
June/Jane?Jeanette Goodman in March 1871. They had the following children,
Polly, Ansell, Amelia, Hannah (my grandmother) Abraham.

Please reply personally to Monica Sprott
at msprott@hotkey.net.au


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Search for FABER/LINDENBAUM #general

M. Faber <mfaber@...>
 

As a beginner in Genealogy, I apologize first for any errors I might make.

I am trying to find information on some of my husbands family. They have
very little history and what we do have is vague. The following are his
Paternal Grandparents (all deceased)

Saul (Kiev) Faber & Dorothy (Kiev) Goldman (m.1921)

and Great Grandparents:
Samuel Goldman (Kiev) m. Bessie Kortick
Dorothy/Sadie's siblings are: Anne, Irving, Sylvia & Jane Goldman

Fanny Lindenbaum (Bessarabie, Moldavia, Russia) m. Samuel Faber (Germany?)
Saul/Solomons's siblings are: Israel/Is, Selma, Jacob/Jack, David, Sarah
Roberta/Bobby, & Benjamin/Bunny.

Fanny Lindenbaums parents are Solomon & Libby.

If this is any part of your family branch, please let me know.

Thanks for your time.
Monica (Freed) Faber
Sherman, TX
mfaber@texoma.net

MODERATOR NOTE: Go to the following: http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff It's one
of our most visited sites. Look for the surnames you're
searching and enter yours for others to find.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ISRAEL family #general

Mrs M Sprott <msprott@...>
 

I am so excited, as a kind man >from England has found my Grandmother's
family. I am searching for any decendants of Morris and June/Jane/Jeanette
Israel, formerly Goodman. Morris Israel was born in Prussia. He married
June/Jane?Jeanette Goodman in March 1871. They had the following children,
Polly, Ansell, Amelia, Hannah (my grandmother) Abraham.

Please reply personally to Monica Sprott
at msprott@hotkey.net.au


Searching BLINDER family - Flatbush, Brooklyn, NY #general

Michael Trapunsky <mtrap@...>
 

Hi,

I'm searching for any descendants of the BLINDER family originally from
Vilna/Vilnius and the surrounding areas in Lithuania.

My great great great grandparents, David BLINDER and Gitel COHEN (born
between the 1830's to early 1840's), had either BLINDER descendants or
relatives who, in the 1930's or so, lived on (or around) Kings Highway in
the Flatbush area of Brooklyn, New York, USA. I don't know what happened to
them afterwards.

If anyone knows of this family I would love to hear back >from you regarding
this.

Thanks very much.

Michael Trapunsky
Queens, New York
mtrap@idt.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching BLINDER family - Flatbush, Brooklyn, NY #general

Michael Trapunsky <mtrap@...>
 

Hi,

I'm searching for any descendants of the BLINDER family originally from
Vilna/Vilnius and the surrounding areas in Lithuania.

My great great great grandparents, David BLINDER and Gitel COHEN (born
between the 1830's to early 1840's), had either BLINDER descendants or
relatives who, in the 1930's or so, lived on (or around) Kings Highway in
the Flatbush area of Brooklyn, New York, USA. I don't know what happened to
them afterwards.

If anyone knows of this family I would love to hear back >from you regarding
this.

Thanks very much.

Michael Trapunsky
Queens, New York
mtrap@idt.net


Re: Recording Hebrew vs Yiddish names in database #general

Jessica Schein <jesshschein@...>
 

Some comments on all your responses:

In having received a bunch of responses, I find that the question seems
to have been answered backwards by many of you. I wanted to know
whether to change the "Hebrew" names to "Yiddish" or Birth Name since
the Hebrew name was not the Religious name. I had no problem with what
to do about the non Religious names. The point was that an obviously non
-Religious name (especially for the women) was being mis-labeled. What
our sources (current descendants) were calling a Hebrew name was
actually their secular birth name. I wanted to know if it was reasonable
to worry that people would be offended by our correcting this.

Another point that kept getting missed. I was talking about recording
the data in software. We are not talking about absolute interpretation.
Remember part of doing genealogy is to be able to communicate the
information to others. If no one understands what you are doing, you
have failed, no matter how "good" your data.

When your are creating family trees and other documents to share with
your family or a world-wide family tree you have to make certain
decisions so that you can accommodate the majority of your needs. I
don't think most of the respondents are taking this into account.

In the case of the multiple names, I was specifically looking at the
first generations out of Eastern Europe. Generally, it was these folks
who had a multiplicity of names. How do you avoid confusion and print
out a chart or narrative so that others get what you mean easily? How
were people known? Too many self-created terms will only confuse the
readers.

Remember that this is a *Genealogy* newsgroup not a Eastern European
Jewish History group.

Anyone else think there should be some genealogical standard for this?



tom klein wrote:


if the topic isn't played out yet, for what it's worth, let jump into
this one:

most decent programmes will allow quite lengthy entries, so why not
use as broad a term as possible for the field, such as "aka" ("also
known as")? this also covers non-jewish relatives, as well as those
from other countries who may have changed their names. then, whether
the contents are a nickname, or hebrew, yiddish, or ladino, can be
indicated with small notations such as (n), (h), or (y), etc., as
required.

for what it's worth,

....... tom klein


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Recording Hebrew vs Yiddish names in database #general

Jessica Schein <jesshschein@...>
 

Some comments on all your responses:

In having received a bunch of responses, I find that the question seems
to have been answered backwards by many of you. I wanted to know
whether to change the "Hebrew" names to "Yiddish" or Birth Name since
the Hebrew name was not the Religious name. I had no problem with what
to do about the non Religious names. The point was that an obviously non
-Religious name (especially for the women) was being mis-labeled. What
our sources (current descendants) were calling a Hebrew name was
actually their secular birth name. I wanted to know if it was reasonable
to worry that people would be offended by our correcting this.

Another point that kept getting missed. I was talking about recording
the data in software. We are not talking about absolute interpretation.
Remember part of doing genealogy is to be able to communicate the
information to others. If no one understands what you are doing, you
have failed, no matter how "good" your data.

When your are creating family trees and other documents to share with
your family or a world-wide family tree you have to make certain
decisions so that you can accommodate the majority of your needs. I
don't think most of the respondents are taking this into account.

In the case of the multiple names, I was specifically looking at the
first generations out of Eastern Europe. Generally, it was these folks
who had a multiplicity of names. How do you avoid confusion and print
out a chart or narrative so that others get what you mean easily? How
were people known? Too many self-created terms will only confuse the
readers.

Remember that this is a *Genealogy* newsgroup not a Eastern European
Jewish History group.

Anyone else think there should be some genealogical standard for this?



tom klein wrote:


if the topic isn't played out yet, for what it's worth, let jump into
this one:

most decent programmes will allow quite lengthy entries, so why not
use as broad a term as possible for the field, such as "aka" ("also
known as")? this also covers non-jewish relatives, as well as those
from other countries who may have changed their names. then, whether
the contents are a nickname, or hebrew, yiddish, or ladino, can be
indicated with small notations such as (n), (h), or (y), etc., as
required.

for what it's worth,

....... tom klein