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SYTNER
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Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
Now I have another name to search for: SYTNER
this is a quote: >from Saron and Hotz "The Jews of South Africa" "Equally popular was Albert H.Sytner, who was elected to the town council in 1899, defeating the sitting member who had represented the ward for thirty years. Subsequenty he was elected unopposed. Sytner held office in other public bodies and institutions, Jewish and non-Jewish and was president of the Hebrew Congregation several times." I also found references in Louis Herrman's "History of the Jews in South Africa" of a Mr. L. Sytner in Cape Town who was a warden of the Cap e Town Synagogue 1893 to 1895. Can anyone find a living South African SYTNER? searching: MARGOLYES, TURIANSKY, PASEVITCH (PACEWICZ), STUPEL (all >from Indura & Grodno, Belarus, then Glasgow): SANDEMAN (SANDMANN) Middlesbrough, UK & Germany,South Africa: LAZARUS (Berlin), GELBORD (Belarus & Edinburgh): POSNER (Germany, prob. Berlin) Miriam Margolyes 75342.3217@compuserve.com Santa Monica
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SYTNER
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Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
Now I have another name to search for: SYTNER
this is a quote: >from Saron and Hotz "The Jews of South Africa" "Equally popular was Albert H.Sytner, who was elected to the town council in 1899, defeating the sitting member who had represented the ward for thirty years. Subsequenty he was elected unopposed. Sytner held office in other public bodies and institutions, Jewish and non-Jewish and was president of the Hebrew Congregation several times." I also found references in Louis Herrman's "History of the Jews in South Africa" of a Mr. L. Sytner in Cape Town who was a warden of the Cap e Town Synagogue 1893 to 1895. Can anyone find a living South African SYTNER? searching: MARGOLYES, TURIANSKY, PASEVITCH (PACEWICZ), STUPEL (all >from Indura & Grodno, Belarus, then Glasgow): SANDEMAN (SANDMANN) Middlesbrough, UK & Germany,South Africa: LAZARUS (Berlin), GELBORD (Belarus & Edinburgh): POSNER (Germany, prob. Berlin) Miriam Margolyes 75342.3217@compuserve.com Santa Monica
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Re: Ragas
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SiCanto@...
Hello.
I, too, am trying to get in touch with RAGAS. I got some information from the public library. They told me I needed new forms and should e-mail: Vlad Soshnikov ragas@cityline.ru They do Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus. Good luck. Cheryl SiCanto@aol.com Arizona
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ragas
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SiCanto@...
Hello.
I, too, am trying to get in touch with RAGAS. I got some information from the public library. They told me I needed new forms and should e-mail: Vlad Soshnikov ragas@cityline.ru They do Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus. Good luck. Cheryl SiCanto@aol.com Arizona
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Searching GOLDBERG, Tyczyn Poland 1850-1864
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Moses Lenzky <mlenzky@...>
A Shlomo GOLDBERG died about 1860 in Tyczyn (galica) (I belive he could
have been a Chasidic Rebbe). His Wife Rifka died in 1862. I know that they had a son by the name Sholom Zusha which was a Rabbi in Kolbusowa & Died around 1895. This Sholom Zusha had a son Sholom which died in Krakow in 1922.I was told that Rifka was a Daughter of the youngest daughter of the chasidic rebbe Reb Elimelech of Lezensk. Anyone who knows that this fact is true or is a descendant of these GOLDBERG's should please respond. Moshe Lenzky mlenzky@yahoo.com
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching GOLDBERG, Tyczyn Poland 1850-1864
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Moses Lenzky <mlenzky@...>
A Shlomo GOLDBERG died about 1860 in Tyczyn (galica) (I belive he could
have been a Chasidic Rebbe). His Wife Rifka died in 1862. I know that they had a son by the name Sholom Zusha which was a Rabbi in Kolbusowa & Died around 1895. This Sholom Zusha had a son Sholom which died in Krakow in 1922.I was told that Rifka was a Daughter of the youngest daughter of the chasidic rebbe Reb Elimelech of Lezensk. Anyone who knows that this fact is true or is a descendant of these GOLDBERG's should please respond. Moshe Lenzky mlenzky@yahoo.com
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Weinberger from Ungvar
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Yonatan Ben-David <YoniBenD@...>
Hi...
I am researcing my ggf's family, the Weinbergers >from Ungvar, Hungary (now Uzhborod, Ukraine) I know little about them, but I have been able to assemble some pieces. My ggf was Emanuel Weinberger, who came >from Ungvar to NYC in 1883. As far as I know, he is the only one in his family to emigrate to the USA. It is possible that other relatives emigrated to other countries earlier this century, but as yet I have no knowledge of this. About six weeks ago, I contacted everyone on the JGFF that was searching for Weinbergers >from Ungvar and >from Hungary, yet at that time I had less information. Now that I have a bit more information, I am posting this to the list. Here are the scraps I have been able to piece together, thanks to Eliyahu Reisman and his Chevra Kedisha Book >from Ungvar: David Weinberger had a son named Yosef Weinberger. Yosef died in 1880. Yosef was married to Blima, and they had at least two sons and a daughter: Henry/Chaim (d.1900), Basha (d.1895), and Moshe (d.1895). Moshe died seven days after Basha, which seems a bit odd to me - I wonder if there was a connection somehow. There were no death records for spouses of Basha or Moshe, yet I know that Henry/Chaim's wife, Katty, died in 1944 at the age of 106. Henry/Chaim and Katty had at least three children: Emanuel (1860-1952), Herschel, and Malka (d.1925). I know that Herschel had a wife and many children, as I possess a picture of him and his family, but I dont know their names. Most likely he and his family perished in the Holocaust. It seems that Malka died unmarried. Emanuel had eight children in the US, and left behind a huge family - of which I am a part. Now that I have started to put together a family tree, I am wondering where I can get further information. Are any of you descendants of the above-listed people? Also, where are there birth and marriage records for Ungvar? I understand that the Mormons have not been able to film in the Ukraine, but are there other sources for obtaining records or information? Are there transport lists of Residents of Ungvar that were deported to Auschwitz? Were there any Jewish censuses taken in this century before WW11? Louis Schonfeld, of H-Sig, told me that many members of this list have ancestors >from Ungvar, so if any of you have leads or resources, Iwould be very grateful. Thank You, Yonatan Ben-David Tel-Aviv Also Searching the families (especially siblings and parents) of: Emanuel/Manachem KLEIN, born in Tisza-Bezded, lived and died in Fehergyarmat Fani FISCHER Klein, born in Baka, lived and died in Fehergyarmat
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Weinberger from Ungvar
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Yonatan Ben-David <YoniBenD@...>
Hi...
I am researcing my ggf's family, the Weinbergers >from Ungvar, Hungary (now Uzhborod, Ukraine) I know little about them, but I have been able to assemble some pieces. My ggf was Emanuel Weinberger, who came >from Ungvar to NYC in 1883. As far as I know, he is the only one in his family to emigrate to the USA. It is possible that other relatives emigrated to other countries earlier this century, but as yet I have no knowledge of this. About six weeks ago, I contacted everyone on the JGFF that was searching for Weinbergers >from Ungvar and >from Hungary, yet at that time I had less information. Now that I have a bit more information, I am posting this to the list. Here are the scraps I have been able to piece together, thanks to Eliyahu Reisman and his Chevra Kedisha Book >from Ungvar: David Weinberger had a son named Yosef Weinberger. Yosef died in 1880. Yosef was married to Blima, and they had at least two sons and a daughter: Henry/Chaim (d.1900), Basha (d.1895), and Moshe (d.1895). Moshe died seven days after Basha, which seems a bit odd to me - I wonder if there was a connection somehow. There were no death records for spouses of Basha or Moshe, yet I know that Henry/Chaim's wife, Katty, died in 1944 at the age of 106. Henry/Chaim and Katty had at least three children: Emanuel (1860-1952), Herschel, and Malka (d.1925). I know that Herschel had a wife and many children, as I possess a picture of him and his family, but I dont know their names. Most likely he and his family perished in the Holocaust. It seems that Malka died unmarried. Emanuel had eight children in the US, and left behind a huge family - of which I am a part. Now that I have started to put together a family tree, I am wondering where I can get further information. Are any of you descendants of the above-listed people? Also, where are there birth and marriage records for Ungvar? I understand that the Mormons have not been able to film in the Ukraine, but are there other sources for obtaining records or information? Are there transport lists of Residents of Ungvar that were deported to Auschwitz? Were there any Jewish censuses taken in this century before WW11? Louis Schonfeld, of H-Sig, told me that many members of this list have ancestors >from Ungvar, so if any of you have leads or resources, Iwould be very grateful. Thank You, Yonatan Ben-David Tel-Aviv Also Searching the families (especially siblings and parents) of: Emanuel/Manachem KLEIN, born in Tisza-Bezded, lived and died in Fehergyarmat Fani FISCHER Klein, born in Baka, lived and died in Fehergyarmat
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VOZICK SORKIN HUBERGRITZ
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Alexandra Vozick Hans <vozick@...>
Is VOZICK a name that is found among Czech people? Does anyone know how a
street in Tabor, Czech Republic came to have my family name of VOZICK? We have never been able to find any relatives anywhere in the world outside of our immediate family with the VOZICK name. I have just discovered this street, and would be so grateful if anyone can explain how it received the name VOZICK. We are able to trace the family back to Donetsk and Odessa Ukraine. great grandmother Rochel Leah SORKIN, Grandfather Chunah Vozick and Grandmother Masha HUBERGRITZ KAZAN-CHAZAN emigrated in 1906 to New York City. We would be grateful for any information about the origin of the family name, and any other information about people with this name, its meaning and commonality. Thank you. Please email me privately, vozick@mediaone.net Thank you very much, Alexandra VOZICK HANS seeking VOZICK SORKIN HUBERGRITZ
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen VOZICK SORKIN HUBERGRITZ
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Alexandra Vozick Hans <vozick@...>
Is VOZICK a name that is found among Czech people? Does anyone know how a
street in Tabor, Czech Republic came to have my family name of VOZICK? We have never been able to find any relatives anywhere in the world outside of our immediate family with the VOZICK name. I have just discovered this street, and would be so grateful if anyone can explain how it received the name VOZICK. We are able to trace the family back to Donetsk and Odessa Ukraine. great grandmother Rochel Leah SORKIN, Grandfather Chunah Vozick and Grandmother Masha HUBERGRITZ KAZAN-CHAZAN emigrated in 1906 to New York City. We would be grateful for any information about the origin of the family name, and any other information about people with this name, its meaning and commonality. Thank you. Please email me privately, vozick@mediaone.net Thank you very much, Alexandra VOZICK HANS seeking VOZICK SORKIN HUBERGRITZ
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Jewish Families of Paderborn
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Gunther Steinberg <Gunther-Steinberg-PV@...>
We just received a second book by Margit Naarmann entitled
"Von Ihren Leuten Wohnt hier keiner mehr" (Your people don't live here any more), which chronicles the Jewish families that lived in Paderborn in the 1930s. 1. The first part is a history of the Jews of Paderborn until 1933. (pp 21-24) 2. The National Socialist Time Period (pp. 25- 102) 3. Biographical (pp.103-506) Details of about 110 Jewish Families. (I can provide the list of families on request, but not here and now) Appendices include: JewIsh Cemetry- Warburger Strasse "Arianized" Jewish property in Paderborn List of Names on the Memorial in Paderborn Tables of Jewish individuals and families Tables of the children and staff of the Jewish orphanage in Paderborn. Dr. Naarmann's first book was entitled: "Jews of Paderborn, 1802 - 1945 Both books were written in German ! I will be pleased to do any lookups for familiy names or data in the Tables. E-mail me direct, please and allow time to answer. Gunther Steinberg Portola Valley CA USA mailto:Gunther-Steinberg-PV@worldnet.att.net
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Families of Paderborn
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Gunther Steinberg <Gunther-Steinberg-PV@...>
We just received a second book by Margit Naarmann entitled
"Von Ihren Leuten Wohnt hier keiner mehr" (Your people don't live here any more), which chronicles the Jewish families that lived in Paderborn in the 1930s. 1. The first part is a history of the Jews of Paderborn until 1933. (pp 21-24) 2. The National Socialist Time Period (pp. 25- 102) 3. Biographical (pp.103-506) Details of about 110 Jewish Families. (I can provide the list of families on request, but not here and now) Appendices include: JewIsh Cemetry- Warburger Strasse "Arianized" Jewish property in Paderborn List of Names on the Memorial in Paderborn Tables of Jewish individuals and families Tables of the children and staff of the Jewish orphanage in Paderborn. Dr. Naarmann's first book was entitled: "Jews of Paderborn, 1802 - 1945 Both books were written in German ! I will be pleased to do any lookups for familiy names or data in the Tables. E-mail me direct, please and allow time to answer. Gunther Steinberg Portola Valley CA USA mailto:Gunther-Steinberg-PV@worldnet.att.net
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Search for FABER/LINDENBAUM
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M. Faber <mfaber@...>
As a beginner in Genealogy, I apologize first for any errors I might make.
I am trying to find information on some of my husbands family. They have very little history and what we do have is vague. The following are his Paternal Grandparents (all deceased) Saul (Kiev) Faber & Dorothy (Kiev) Goldman (m.1921) and Great Grandparents: Samuel Goldman (Kiev) m. Bessie Kortick Dorothy/Sadie's siblings are: Anne, Irving, Sylvia & Jane Goldman Fanny Lindenbaum (Bessarabie, Moldavia, Russia) m. Samuel Faber (Germany?) Saul/Solomons's siblings are: Israel/Is, Selma, Jacob/Jack, David, Sarah Roberta/Bobby, & Benjamin/Bunny. Fanny Lindenbaums parents are Solomon & Libby. If this is any part of your family branch, please let me know. Thanks for your time. Monica (Freed) Faber Sherman, TX mfaber@texoma.net MODERATOR NOTE: Go to the following: http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff It's one of our most visited sites. Look for the surnames you're searching and enter yours for others to find.
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ISRAEL family
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Mrs M Sprott <msprott@...>
I am so excited, as a kind man >from England has found my Grandmother's
family. I am searching for any decendants of Morris and June/Jane/Jeanette Israel, formerly Goodman. Morris Israel was born in Prussia. He married June/Jane?Jeanette Goodman in March 1871. They had the following children, Polly, Ansell, Amelia, Hannah (my grandmother) Abraham. Please reply personally to Monica Sprott at msprott@hotkey.net.au
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Search for FABER/LINDENBAUM
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M. Faber <mfaber@...>
As a beginner in Genealogy, I apologize first for any errors I might make.
I am trying to find information on some of my husbands family. They have very little history and what we do have is vague. The following are his Paternal Grandparents (all deceased) Saul (Kiev) Faber & Dorothy (Kiev) Goldman (m.1921) and Great Grandparents: Samuel Goldman (Kiev) m. Bessie Kortick Dorothy/Sadie's siblings are: Anne, Irving, Sylvia & Jane Goldman Fanny Lindenbaum (Bessarabie, Moldavia, Russia) m. Samuel Faber (Germany?) Saul/Solomons's siblings are: Israel/Is, Selma, Jacob/Jack, David, Sarah Roberta/Bobby, & Benjamin/Bunny. Fanny Lindenbaums parents are Solomon & Libby. If this is any part of your family branch, please let me know. Thanks for your time. Monica (Freed) Faber Sherman, TX mfaber@texoma.net MODERATOR NOTE: Go to the following: http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff It's one of our most visited sites. Look for the surnames you're searching and enter yours for others to find.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ISRAEL family
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Mrs M Sprott <msprott@...>
I am so excited, as a kind man >from England has found my Grandmother's
family. I am searching for any decendants of Morris and June/Jane/Jeanette Israel, formerly Goodman. Morris Israel was born in Prussia. He married June/Jane?Jeanette Goodman in March 1871. They had the following children, Polly, Ansell, Amelia, Hannah (my grandmother) Abraham. Please reply personally to Monica Sprott at msprott@hotkey.net.au
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Searching BLINDER family - Flatbush, Brooklyn, NY
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Michael Trapunsky <mtrap@...>
Hi,
I'm searching for any descendants of the BLINDER family originally from Vilna/Vilnius and the surrounding areas in Lithuania. My great great great grandparents, David BLINDER and Gitel COHEN (born between the 1830's to early 1840's), had either BLINDER descendants or relatives who, in the 1930's or so, lived on (or around) Kings Highway in the Flatbush area of Brooklyn, New York, USA. I don't know what happened to them afterwards. If anyone knows of this family I would love to hear back >from you regarding this. Thanks very much. Michael Trapunsky Queens, New York mtrap@idt.net
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching BLINDER family - Flatbush, Brooklyn, NY
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Michael Trapunsky <mtrap@...>
Hi,
I'm searching for any descendants of the BLINDER family originally from Vilna/Vilnius and the surrounding areas in Lithuania. My great great great grandparents, David BLINDER and Gitel COHEN (born between the 1830's to early 1840's), had either BLINDER descendants or relatives who, in the 1930's or so, lived on (or around) Kings Highway in the Flatbush area of Brooklyn, New York, USA. I don't know what happened to them afterwards. If anyone knows of this family I would love to hear back >from you regarding this. Thanks very much. Michael Trapunsky Queens, New York mtrap@idt.net
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Re: Recording Hebrew vs Yiddish names in database
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Jessica Schein <jesshschein@...>
Some comments on all your responses:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
In having received a bunch of responses, I find that the question seems to have been answered backwards by many of you. I wanted to know whether to change the "Hebrew" names to "Yiddish" or Birth Name since the Hebrew name was not the Religious name. I had no problem with what to do about the non Religious names. The point was that an obviously non -Religious name (especially for the women) was being mis-labeled. What our sources (current descendants) were calling a Hebrew name was actually their secular birth name. I wanted to know if it was reasonable to worry that people would be offended by our correcting this. Another point that kept getting missed. I was talking about recording the data in software. We are not talking about absolute interpretation. Remember part of doing genealogy is to be able to communicate the information to others. If no one understands what you are doing, you have failed, no matter how "good" your data. When your are creating family trees and other documents to share with your family or a world-wide family tree you have to make certain decisions so that you can accommodate the majority of your needs. I don't think most of the respondents are taking this into account. In the case of the multiple names, I was specifically looking at the first generations out of Eastern Europe. Generally, it was these folks who had a multiplicity of names. How do you avoid confusion and print out a chart or narrative so that others get what you mean easily? How were people known? Too many self-created terms will only confuse the readers. Remember that this is a *Genealogy* newsgroup not a Eastern European Jewish History group. Anyone else think there should be some genealogical standard for this? tom klein wrote:
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Recording Hebrew vs Yiddish names in database
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Jessica Schein <jesshschein@...>
Some comments on all your responses:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
In having received a bunch of responses, I find that the question seems to have been answered backwards by many of you. I wanted to know whether to change the "Hebrew" names to "Yiddish" or Birth Name since the Hebrew name was not the Religious name. I had no problem with what to do about the non Religious names. The point was that an obviously non -Religious name (especially for the women) was being mis-labeled. What our sources (current descendants) were calling a Hebrew name was actually their secular birth name. I wanted to know if it was reasonable to worry that people would be offended by our correcting this. Another point that kept getting missed. I was talking about recording the data in software. We are not talking about absolute interpretation. Remember part of doing genealogy is to be able to communicate the information to others. If no one understands what you are doing, you have failed, no matter how "good" your data. When your are creating family trees and other documents to share with your family or a world-wide family tree you have to make certain decisions so that you can accommodate the majority of your needs. I don't think most of the respondents are taking this into account. In the case of the multiple names, I was specifically looking at the first generations out of Eastern Europe. Generally, it was these folks who had a multiplicity of names. How do you avoid confusion and print out a chart or narrative so that others get what you mean easily? How were people known? Too many self-created terms will only confuse the readers. Remember that this is a *Genealogy* newsgroup not a Eastern European Jewish History group. Anyone else think there should be some genealogical standard for this? tom klein wrote:
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