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*re: Research in Slovakia, etc #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear George,

I'm answering to the list because I believe some information are of general=
interest. I do not have ALL answers but I can offer you guidance to some,=
related only to Slovakia. I am not familiar with Romania. See the answers=
below, enclosed between double square brackets [[]].

Good luck and safe trip
Tom

At 01:00 -0500 21.09.2005, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: Research in Slovakia, etc
From: George Farkas <gfarkas@xbisoftware.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:14:39 -0400

1. How important is it to be able to speak Slovak? I do not speak
Slovak at all; I so speak Hungarian as well as English, French and
Hebrew, and I have some German.
[[In some of the places you plan to go, *it might be important* to speak=
Slovak. In the capital Bratislava and southern towns (Kosice, Presov,=
Mihalovce), many people, including taxi drivers, speak Hungarian, sometimes=
German. You may receive good tips in the hotels where you stay about who=
can be used concurrently as a translator and driver. English is spoken, but=
not as widely as in Western Europe. And, last but not least, many Slovaks=
HATE the Hungarian language and hate the Hungarians, so be careful and=
inquire tactfully, asking unknown persons if they *mind* speaking Hungarian.


2. Do I have to set up appointments to visit the archives,
cemeteries, Jewish community organizations in advance? This is
problematic because I do want to be flexible if possible.
[[It wont hurt a bit if you make appointments in advance. In the case of=
UZZNO, it would be highly advisable, because the honchos (volunteers) are=
often out of office. In the case of archives, it is important to know in=
advance their working hours. Usually they open late and close early. In the=
case of cemeteries, the answer is *definitively make an appointment* with=
the key holder(s). Many Jewish cemeteries are closed all the time, and=
somebody is in charge of the keys. Or, even if the cemetery is open, nobody=
is there to help you finding graves. So learn in advance and try to make an=
appointment with the related key-holder person(s) an/or grave keeper.]]


3. How easy/difficult is it to find records of events, vital
information, etc prior to 1900? 1800?

[[Definitively it depends on the places you are searching. The BYTCA archive=
- I infer that is the place you call "Bittse" - has Jewish records for some=
towns, but not for all, because a fire destroyed many of them. Get in touch=
with Dr. Weisbergerova, the archive's head, she is Jewish and willing to he=
lp.]]


4. How can I find out where (official and Jewish community) archives
are located? How easy/ difficult is it to get access? Are tips for
civil servants appreciated? (If yes, what amounts are reasonable?)

[[The easiest is to send a letter to UZZNO (in my experience, they do not=
reply emails), in Bratislava. Send it at once, since the answer may take=
several weeks/months. You can also get in touch with the Slovak National=
Archive in Bratislava. They correspond in English and are quite responsive.=
Again, do it at once. I don't know about tipping the servants, but I bet=
you they will gladly accept some nice American gifts.]]


5. How easy is it to get about? I was thinking about renting a car,
so as not to be tied to the bus and train schedules. Are good maps
easily available? How easy/difficult is it to be able to get an
Internet connection for my laptop?

[[I would discourage you to drive a rented car, unless you are an=
adventurous person. The trains function very well and have quite frequent=
schedules to almost everywhere in Slovakia. First class, when existent, is=
nice and not expensive. Cabs are also quite affordable. And you have the=
advantage of a driver who can show you around, saving you a lot of time.=
Depending where you go and what you wish to visit, you can rent a cab for a=
day. I don't know the Internet situation in Slovakia.]]


6. Is a week enough time or will I have to cut out some of the places?
[[My guess is that you would need at least two weeks to accomplish what you=
described. One week will definitively be tight.]]


7. Is kosher food available at all?
[[Yes, in some major towns, such as Bratislava, Kosice and Zilina. However,=
and this an universal lesson I learned a long time ago, find the local=
rabbi and/or Jewish community (or even a Jewish home), and he/they will=
tell you how to get around with kosher food. Again, the UZZNO can be your=
source for this.]]

Mentioned sources and related names/addresses:
(Caveat: I don't know how updated these information are, I have been=
collecting them for eaons)

UZZNO:
Ustreda Zentralna Zidovskich Nabozenske Obcy
=46ederation of Jewish Communities in Slovakia
Mr. Weisz - director secretary
Kozia ul, 21
814 47 Bratislava
421 (7) 5441 2167
uzzno@netax.sk

BYTCA ARCHIVE:
Statny Oblastny Archiv v Bytci kastiel
Dr. Maria Weinbergerova - chief archivist
014 35 Bytca
421-41-553 24 43
weinbergerova_m@saby.vs.sk

LIPTOVSKY MIKULAS ARCHIVE:
Statny Okresny Archiv v Liptovskom Mikulasi
Peter Dvorsky - archivist
Skolska ulice c. 4
031 01 Liptovsky Mikulas
(old phone): (849) 233 32

SLOVAK NATIONAL ARCHIVE:
Slovensky Narodny Archiv
JUDr. Darius Rusnak - director
Drotarska cesta c. 42
817 01 Bratislava
421 (7) 580-11-78

SLOVAK MINISTRY OF INTERIOR - Archival Services:
Ministerstvo Vnutra Slovenskej Republiky
Odbor Arch=EDvnictva a Spisovej Sluzby
Dr. Peter Kartous - director
Krizkova 7
811 04 Bratislava
421 (2) 5249-6051
soba.archiv@mvsr.vs.sk

GENEALOGY SERVICE IN LIPTOVSKY MIKULAS:
Peter Vitek
Jamnok 29
033 01 Liptovsky Hradok
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Hungary SIG #Hungary *re: Research in Slovakia, etc #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear George,

I'm answering to the list because I believe some information are of general=
interest. I do not have ALL answers but I can offer you guidance to some,=
related only to Slovakia. I am not familiar with Romania. See the answers=
below, enclosed between double square brackets [[]].

Good luck and safe trip
Tom

At 01:00 -0500 21.09.2005, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: Research in Slovakia, etc
From: George Farkas <gfarkas@xbisoftware.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:14:39 -0400

1. How important is it to be able to speak Slovak? I do not speak
Slovak at all; I so speak Hungarian as well as English, French and
Hebrew, and I have some German.
[[In some of the places you plan to go, *it might be important* to speak=
Slovak. In the capital Bratislava and southern towns (Kosice, Presov,=
Mihalovce), many people, including taxi drivers, speak Hungarian, sometimes=
German. You may receive good tips in the hotels where you stay about who=
can be used concurrently as a translator and driver. English is spoken, but=
not as widely as in Western Europe. And, last but not least, many Slovaks=
HATE the Hungarian language and hate the Hungarians, so be careful and=
inquire tactfully, asking unknown persons if they *mind* speaking Hungarian.


2. Do I have to set up appointments to visit the archives,
cemeteries, Jewish community organizations in advance? This is
problematic because I do want to be flexible if possible.
[[It wont hurt a bit if you make appointments in advance. In the case of=
UZZNO, it would be highly advisable, because the honchos (volunteers) are=
often out of office. In the case of archives, it is important to know in=
advance their working hours. Usually they open late and close early. In the=
case of cemeteries, the answer is *definitively make an appointment* with=
the key holder(s). Many Jewish cemeteries are closed all the time, and=
somebody is in charge of the keys. Or, even if the cemetery is open, nobody=
is there to help you finding graves. So learn in advance and try to make an=
appointment with the related key-holder person(s) an/or grave keeper.]]


3. How easy/difficult is it to find records of events, vital
information, etc prior to 1900? 1800?

[[Definitively it depends on the places you are searching. The BYTCA archive=
- I infer that is the place you call "Bittse" - has Jewish records for some=
towns, but not for all, because a fire destroyed many of them. Get in touch=
with Dr. Weisbergerova, the archive's head, she is Jewish and willing to he=
lp.]]


4. How can I find out where (official and Jewish community) archives
are located? How easy/ difficult is it to get access? Are tips for
civil servants appreciated? (If yes, what amounts are reasonable?)

[[The easiest is to send a letter to UZZNO (in my experience, they do not=
reply emails), in Bratislava. Send it at once, since the answer may take=
several weeks/months. You can also get in touch with the Slovak National=
Archive in Bratislava. They correspond in English and are quite responsive.=
Again, do it at once. I don't know about tipping the servants, but I bet=
you they will gladly accept some nice American gifts.]]


5. How easy is it to get about? I was thinking about renting a car,
so as not to be tied to the bus and train schedules. Are good maps
easily available? How easy/difficult is it to be able to get an
Internet connection for my laptop?

[[I would discourage you to drive a rented car, unless you are an=
adventurous person. The trains function very well and have quite frequent=
schedules to almost everywhere in Slovakia. First class, when existent, is=
nice and not expensive. Cabs are also quite affordable. And you have the=
advantage of a driver who can show you around, saving you a lot of time.=
Depending where you go and what you wish to visit, you can rent a cab for a=
day. I don't know the Internet situation in Slovakia.]]


6. Is a week enough time or will I have to cut out some of the places?
[[My guess is that you would need at least two weeks to accomplish what you=
described. One week will definitively be tight.]]


7. Is kosher food available at all?
[[Yes, in some major towns, such as Bratislava, Kosice and Zilina. However,=
and this an universal lesson I learned a long time ago, find the local=
rabbi and/or Jewish community (or even a Jewish home), and he/they will=
tell you how to get around with kosher food. Again, the UZZNO can be your=
source for this.]]

Mentioned sources and related names/addresses:
(Caveat: I don't know how updated these information are, I have been=
collecting them for eaons)

UZZNO:
Ustreda Zentralna Zidovskich Nabozenske Obcy
=46ederation of Jewish Communities in Slovakia
Mr. Weisz - director secretary
Kozia ul, 21
814 47 Bratislava
421 (7) 5441 2167
uzzno@netax.sk

BYTCA ARCHIVE:
Statny Oblastny Archiv v Bytci kastiel
Dr. Maria Weinbergerova - chief archivist
014 35 Bytca
421-41-553 24 43
weinbergerova_m@saby.vs.sk

LIPTOVSKY MIKULAS ARCHIVE:
Statny Okresny Archiv v Liptovskom Mikulasi
Peter Dvorsky - archivist
Skolska ulice c. 4
031 01 Liptovsky Mikulas
(old phone): (849) 233 32

SLOVAK NATIONAL ARCHIVE:
Slovensky Narodny Archiv
JUDr. Darius Rusnak - director
Drotarska cesta c. 42
817 01 Bratislava
421 (7) 580-11-78

SLOVAK MINISTRY OF INTERIOR - Archival Services:
Ministerstvo Vnutra Slovenskej Republiky
Odbor Arch=EDvnictva a Spisovej Sluzby
Dr. Peter Kartous - director
Krizkova 7
811 04 Bratislava
421 (2) 5249-6051
soba.archiv@mvsr.vs.sk

GENEALOGY SERVICE IN LIPTOVSKY MIKULAS:
Peter Vitek
Jamnok 29
033 01 Liptovsky Hradok
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


on planning a trip to SLovakia #hungary

Rakoff125
 

George Farkas raised the questions below, having just spent several weeks
there I share answers >from my perspective...I did not go to the towns he plans
to visit [he plans to visit the villages around Zilina (Zsolna), Lipto
Szentmiklos, Nyirbator, and Marghita (Romania)
and the archives in Bittse among others.]

I went to Kosice, Bratislava, and Nyitra in Slovakia, Budapest and Miskolc
in Hungary, Prague and Vienna. No matter where one goes detailed preparation
is essential.
-know what you want to find out and what you want to see...for example a
specific time range for a specific community's marriage records. Some of the
archives have on line information as to what is there....
a nice resource for Slovakia is:
_http://www.slovak-jewish-heritage.org_ (http://www.slovak-jewish-heritage.org)

1. How important is it to be able to speak Slovak? I do not speak Slovak at
all; I so speak Hungarian as well as English, French and Hebrew, and I have
some German.

-Yes Slovak is very important, I had a translator. Then again I don't know
if the Hungarian and German will help. I understand politically those
languages are in disfavor. Hebrew is helpful in the cemeteries in reading the stones,
if they are readable, to find your family. [more on cemeteries in a bit].

2. Do I have to set up appointments to visit the archives, cemeteries,
Jewish community organizations in advance? This is problematic because I do want
to be flexible if possible.

-Appointments can help....archival hours this summer tended to be Monday
through Thursday 8 or 9 or 10 [!] to 3 pm with no Friday hours. What ever small
Jewish communities exist be mindful of all the holidays and don't even think
of asking for anything on Friday....people who are observant are too busy.
-some places require you file a few days in advance for material, some
cemeteries require keyed access, which implies appointments to get the caretaker
or key holder....in general it is hard but plan ahead.

3. How easy/difficult is it to find records of events, vital information,
etc prior to 1900? 1800?

-I traveled with Gabi Svatos and several people told us there were no vital
records before the 1850s....they were wrong. In Nyitra we found a wealth of
material for that region including what appeared to be a Pinkas going back
into the late 1790s and ledgers for the 1840s including a previously unknown
Nitra census of the Jews in 1841. Gabi and I got a lot of good personal
information >from that. NO matter what you have been told, ask if there is anything
else that might be relevant...that's how we learned about the 1841 Nitra
census.

4. How can I find out where (official and Jewish community) archives are
located? How easy/ difficult is it to get access? Are tips for civil servants
appreciated? (If yes, what amounts are reasonable?)
-http://www.minv.sk/en/index.htm this link is to the main listing of the
SLovakian National Archives, some of it is in English...the part you need to
know is which archive covers your area then check for State, Regional and City
archive repositories as well as any remnants of Jewish community material held
outside the archive either by the community or public library.
I noticed that in some church records, particularly under the listings of
deaths, there would be 25 or so to a page and number 26 would be squeezed in at
the bottom for the 'Jud'

5. How easy is it to get about? I was thinking about renting a car, so as
not to be tied to the bus and train schedules. Are good maps easily available?
How easy/difficult is it to be able to get an Internet connection for my
laptop?
- we did very well without a car..buses are fine. Parking and negotiating
the tiny streets of small towns might be prohibitive, to say nothing about the
cost of gas. Besides, a great portion of your time is inside an archive, or
targeting a destination. Taxis are very cheap, the price differences in
Slovakia are astonishing and USD and CD have a very favorable rate of exchange.
When I went to the cemetery in Kosice I negotiated for the driver to return in
3 hours and was able to give him a generous tip for doing so.

I copied a few pages >from a European motoring map to cover the areas I was
interested in and also got detailed printout >from mapquest for more specific
areas like around familial places of origin. The tourist maps are just
that...for sightseeing.

By the way, I found it very hard to exchange travelers' checks...and the
only place to do so, banks, charge a good percentage. The many exchange centers
around charge no fee for cash so make with the money belt.
-we used cyber cafes rather than lug around a laptop that would also require
guarding when not in use....unless you have a very small and light one and
absolutely need the data in it don't bother. Most cyber cafes in Slovakia are
really cheap....a few dollars an hour. Not all have printout capacity if that
is relevant.

Both Vivian Kahn and Gabi made excellent notebook printouts of their data
and what they were researching and got a lot of mileage out of that. I made the
error of carrying too many files with me and it got heavy and tedious. [I
don't have a laptop]
6. Is a week enough time or will I have to cut out some of the places?

7. Is kosher food available at all?
Check Ruth Gruber's books and Centropa.com. Where there a Jewish communities
with kosher kitchens reservations will be necessary. Your 'degree' of
kosher, ie Glatt or some less strict form will determine whether going vegetarian
will suffice. I don't know that there are kosher restaurants per se in many
places. Chez David in Bratislava comes to mind as good but relatively expensive

Finally, about cemeteries...I can't overemphasize Bobbi Furst's advice to be
prepared..long sleeves, strong shoes and socks, long pants, bug spray, water
and a mopping rag [for both you and clean up], heavy gardening gloves at the
MINIMUM. Even with all that I got injured by the very thick shrubbery and
underbrush. The grounds are very uneven and squishy, with unexpected sinkholes
hidden in weeds that lie in wait for weak ankles...a walking stick to probe
ahead might be a good idea. Go early in the day or later, for better lighting
and shadow. Midday contrast is low and hard to photograph. In the cemeteries
I want to it was hot, buggy, hard to walk, hard to find even the most well
recorded graves as the sites are so deteriorated.

A final thought........just being there to witness the past is an important
part of such a trip. So whether you find the documents you wish or not, being
able to appreciate what you have come to see is richly rewarding. Enjoy!

Linda Rakoff
Newton, MAssachusetts, USA
searching:
ASCHNER-, Assakurte, Berko, Bratislava, Budapest , Hradiste, Katlo, Kosice,
Malacky, Nyitra, Spisska Nova Ves, Wien, Berlin, Beuthen/Bytom,
Breslau/Wroclaw,Brunovce, Danzig, Chorzow [Konigshutte], Kattowitz LIFSITZ-Galati;
GOLDMAN(N), LANGER -Kosice, Bolyar; Miskolc, Presov; LOW'Y-Brezova, Hradiste,
Spisska Nova Ves MELTZER, PERLBINDER, LADENHEIM-- Horodenka, Galicia
RAKOFF-Keilce,Russia, RIESENBERG- Bolygen, Horodenka, Kasperowicz,
Zaleschicki, GORDON-Moletai, WATMAN, MILLER-Lithuania, Ponemunka


Hungary SIG #Hungary on planning a trip to SLovakia #hungary

Rakoff125
 

George Farkas raised the questions below, having just spent several weeks
there I share answers >from my perspective...I did not go to the towns he plans
to visit [he plans to visit the villages around Zilina (Zsolna), Lipto
Szentmiklos, Nyirbator, and Marghita (Romania)
and the archives in Bittse among others.]

I went to Kosice, Bratislava, and Nyitra in Slovakia, Budapest and Miskolc
in Hungary, Prague and Vienna. No matter where one goes detailed preparation
is essential.
-know what you want to find out and what you want to see...for example a
specific time range for a specific community's marriage records. Some of the
archives have on line information as to what is there....
a nice resource for Slovakia is:
_http://www.slovak-jewish-heritage.org_ (http://www.slovak-jewish-heritage.org)

1. How important is it to be able to speak Slovak? I do not speak Slovak at
all; I so speak Hungarian as well as English, French and Hebrew, and I have
some German.

-Yes Slovak is very important, I had a translator. Then again I don't know
if the Hungarian and German will help. I understand politically those
languages are in disfavor. Hebrew is helpful in the cemeteries in reading the stones,
if they are readable, to find your family. [more on cemeteries in a bit].

2. Do I have to set up appointments to visit the archives, cemeteries,
Jewish community organizations in advance? This is problematic because I do want
to be flexible if possible.

-Appointments can help....archival hours this summer tended to be Monday
through Thursday 8 or 9 or 10 [!] to 3 pm with no Friday hours. What ever small
Jewish communities exist be mindful of all the holidays and don't even think
of asking for anything on Friday....people who are observant are too busy.
-some places require you file a few days in advance for material, some
cemeteries require keyed access, which implies appointments to get the caretaker
or key holder....in general it is hard but plan ahead.

3. How easy/difficult is it to find records of events, vital information,
etc prior to 1900? 1800?

-I traveled with Gabi Svatos and several people told us there were no vital
records before the 1850s....they were wrong. In Nyitra we found a wealth of
material for that region including what appeared to be a Pinkas going back
into the late 1790s and ledgers for the 1840s including a previously unknown
Nitra census of the Jews in 1841. Gabi and I got a lot of good personal
information >from that. NO matter what you have been told, ask if there is anything
else that might be relevant...that's how we learned about the 1841 Nitra
census.

4. How can I find out where (official and Jewish community) archives are
located? How easy/ difficult is it to get access? Are tips for civil servants
appreciated? (If yes, what amounts are reasonable?)
-http://www.minv.sk/en/index.htm this link is to the main listing of the
SLovakian National Archives, some of it is in English...the part you need to
know is which archive covers your area then check for State, Regional and City
archive repositories as well as any remnants of Jewish community material held
outside the archive either by the community or public library.
I noticed that in some church records, particularly under the listings of
deaths, there would be 25 or so to a page and number 26 would be squeezed in at
the bottom for the 'Jud'

5. How easy is it to get about? I was thinking about renting a car, so as
not to be tied to the bus and train schedules. Are good maps easily available?
How easy/difficult is it to be able to get an Internet connection for my
laptop?
- we did very well without a car..buses are fine. Parking and negotiating
the tiny streets of small towns might be prohibitive, to say nothing about the
cost of gas. Besides, a great portion of your time is inside an archive, or
targeting a destination. Taxis are very cheap, the price differences in
Slovakia are astonishing and USD and CD have a very favorable rate of exchange.
When I went to the cemetery in Kosice I negotiated for the driver to return in
3 hours and was able to give him a generous tip for doing so.

I copied a few pages >from a European motoring map to cover the areas I was
interested in and also got detailed printout >from mapquest for more specific
areas like around familial places of origin. The tourist maps are just
that...for sightseeing.

By the way, I found it very hard to exchange travelers' checks...and the
only place to do so, banks, charge a good percentage. The many exchange centers
around charge no fee for cash so make with the money belt.
-we used cyber cafes rather than lug around a laptop that would also require
guarding when not in use....unless you have a very small and light one and
absolutely need the data in it don't bother. Most cyber cafes in Slovakia are
really cheap....a few dollars an hour. Not all have printout capacity if that
is relevant.

Both Vivian Kahn and Gabi made excellent notebook printouts of their data
and what they were researching and got a lot of mileage out of that. I made the
error of carrying too many files with me and it got heavy and tedious. [I
don't have a laptop]
6. Is a week enough time or will I have to cut out some of the places?

7. Is kosher food available at all?
Check Ruth Gruber's books and Centropa.com. Where there a Jewish communities
with kosher kitchens reservations will be necessary. Your 'degree' of
kosher, ie Glatt or some less strict form will determine whether going vegetarian
will suffice. I don't know that there are kosher restaurants per se in many
places. Chez David in Bratislava comes to mind as good but relatively expensive

Finally, about cemeteries...I can't overemphasize Bobbi Furst's advice to be
prepared..long sleeves, strong shoes and socks, long pants, bug spray, water
and a mopping rag [for both you and clean up], heavy gardening gloves at the
MINIMUM. Even with all that I got injured by the very thick shrubbery and
underbrush. The grounds are very uneven and squishy, with unexpected sinkholes
hidden in weeds that lie in wait for weak ankles...a walking stick to probe
ahead might be a good idea. Go early in the day or later, for better lighting
and shadow. Midday contrast is low and hard to photograph. In the cemeteries
I want to it was hot, buggy, hard to walk, hard to find even the most well
recorded graves as the sites are so deteriorated.

A final thought........just being there to witness the past is an important
part of such a trip. So whether you find the documents you wish or not, being
able to appreciate what you have come to see is richly rewarding. Enjoy!

Linda Rakoff
Newton, MAssachusetts, USA
searching:
ASCHNER-, Assakurte, Berko, Bratislava, Budapest , Hradiste, Katlo, Kosice,
Malacky, Nyitra, Spisska Nova Ves, Wien, Berlin, Beuthen/Bytom,
Breslau/Wroclaw,Brunovce, Danzig, Chorzow [Konigshutte], Kattowitz LIFSITZ-Galati;
GOLDMAN(N), LANGER -Kosice, Bolyar; Miskolc, Presov; LOW'Y-Brezova, Hradiste,
Spisska Nova Ves MELTZER, PERLBINDER, LADENHEIM-- Horodenka, Galicia
RAKOFF-Keilce,Russia, RIESENBERG- Bolygen, Horodenka, Kasperowicz,
Zaleschicki, GORDON-Moletai, WATMAN, MILLER-Lithuania, Ponemunka


Re: Date of death of SCHLESINGER Katalin #hungary

Gábor Hirsch <g_hirsch@...>
 

Dob utca is VII. kerület, neighbouring Sip utca. probably the Chevra Kadisha
might be give you an answer. they should have a record of the grave, burial
etc. Was he physically buried or declared death as many Jews were in the
years of the Shoa, several person of my family is commemorated on the grave
of my grandfather, but all of them died in Auschwitz/Birkenau or Stutthof.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch

--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: georges <georges.graner@wanadoo.fr>
An: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Betreff: [h-sig] Date of death of SCHLESINGER Katalin
Datum: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:23:54 +0200


I asked several times the Hungarian genealogist to try to find the
record at the City Hall but for some reason, he did not try. I
vaguely remember that she lived in Dobb utca. What is the
corresponding "kerulet" ? Can you give me the address of the City Hall.

T.I.A.

Georges GRANER
georges.graner@wanadoo.fr


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Date of death of SCHLESINGER Katalin #hungary

Gábor Hirsch <g_hirsch@...>
 

Dob utca is VII. kerület, neighbouring Sip utca. probably the Chevra Kadisha
might be give you an answer. they should have a record of the grave, burial
etc. Was he physically buried or declared death as many Jews were in the
years of the Shoa, several person of my family is commemorated on the grave
of my grandfather, but all of them died in Auschwitz/Birkenau or Stutthof.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch

--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: georges <georges.graner@wanadoo.fr>
An: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Betreff: [h-sig] Date of death of SCHLESINGER Katalin
Datum: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:23:54 +0200


I asked several times the Hungarian genealogist to try to find the
record at the City Hall but for some reason, he did not try. I
vaguely remember that she lived in Dobb utca. What is the
corresponding "kerulet" ? Can you give me the address of the City Hall.

T.I.A.

Georges GRANER
georges.graner@wanadoo.fr


Re: Schwartz from Ohio #hungary

Robert Neu
 

You can go to www.familysearch.org and do an advanced
search on the Social Security Death Index (SSDI) with
last name SCHWARTZ first name Dessa and State Ohio.
You will find a Dessa Schwarts born 8 Aug 1894 died 15
Sep 1869, Social Securiy File # 296-14-4006. You can
also just search with the number. The detailed file
will also show you all the places in Ohio he has been
.

Whatever file the Social Security has can be ordered
(minimally it should have a proof of birth).

Of course we have to hope it is the right person.

Robert

--- Henry <henry@glitterygifts.com> wrote:

Hi All,

I am trying to located a someone by the name of
SCHWARTZ or SCHWARCZ. I only
have his Hungarian first name which was Desha or
Dasho (I don't have the
correct spelling of that name). I also know he lived
in Ohio after he
immigrated >from Hungary, and passed away about 30
years ago at a very old
age.

Please let me know if you are able to come up with
something.

Thank You

Henry Schwartz


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Schwartz from Ohio #hungary

Robert Neu
 

You can go to www.familysearch.org and do an advanced
search on the Social Security Death Index (SSDI) with
last name SCHWARTZ first name Dessa and State Ohio.
You will find a Dessa Schwarts born 8 Aug 1894 died 15
Sep 1869, Social Securiy File # 296-14-4006. You can
also just search with the number. The detailed file
will also show you all the places in Ohio he has been
.

Whatever file the Social Security has can be ordered
(minimally it should have a proof of birth).

Of course we have to hope it is the right person.

Robert

--- Henry <henry@glitterygifts.com> wrote:

Hi All,

I am trying to located a someone by the name of
SCHWARTZ or SCHWARCZ. I only
have his Hungarian first name which was Desha or
Dasho (I don't have the
correct spelling of that name). I also know he lived
in Ohio after he
immigrated >from Hungary, and passed away about 30
years ago at a very old
age.

Please let me know if you are able to come up with
something.

Thank You

Henry Schwartz


Nauheim London #unitedkingdom

Lesley Hannah <hannahl@...>
 

I'm looking for information on the family of Joseph Ferdinand Nauheim and
Helene Litthauer - this is my husband's extended family. In 1891 they were
living in Canfield Gardens London NW. I know they had one daughter Johanna,
whom I think was called Dolly.

Any information will be gratefully received.


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Nauheim London #unitedkingdom

Lesley Hannah <hannahl@...>
 

I'm looking for information on the family of Joseph Ferdinand Nauheim and
Helene Litthauer - this is my husband's extended family. In 1891 they were
living in Canfield Gardens London NW. I know they had one daughter Johanna,
whom I think was called Dolly.

Any information will be gratefully received.


Re: New Databases added - jackpot! #latvia

Robert E. Heyman <robeh1@...>
 

What a jackpot! The 1898 Rezekne lists gave me the following
information (among lots of other stuff) -
Wulf Selig FALKOV, son of Peretz, age 51 in 1896,
married to Reisa Mirka, age 49 in 1896.
These are my gg-grandparents and birthyears and the name Peretz
are new to me.

Nochim TRUP, son of Leib, had passed away by 1898,
but he was age 60 in 1858.
He is my ggg-grandfather, and the birthyear and the name Leib
are new to me. There is also a listing of a son Shmul I did not
know about.

Donations have just been made in thanks!

Robert Heyman
Silver Spring, MD
robeh1@starpower.net


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: New Databases added - jackpot! #latvia

Robert E. Heyman <robeh1@...>
 

What a jackpot! The 1898 Rezekne lists gave me the following
information (among lots of other stuff) -
Wulf Selig FALKOV, son of Peretz, age 51 in 1896,
married to Reisa Mirka, age 49 in 1896.
These are my gg-grandparents and birthyears and the name Peretz
are new to me.

Nochim TRUP, son of Leib, had passed away by 1898,
but he was age 60 in 1858.
He is my ggg-grandfather, and the birthyear and the name Leib
are new to me. There is also a listing of a son Shmul I did not
know about.

Donations have just been made in thanks!

Robert Heyman
Silver Spring, MD
robeh1@starpower.net


SITE CITE- ICHEIC List of Insurance Policyholders #germany

meretz
 

Dear all,
I have been informed by ICHEIC that their list of "Potential Holocaust Era
Insurance Policyholders", which has been taken off their web site, has now
been made by ICHEIC accessible again on a special new web site -
www.pheip.org . Although the deadline for submitting new claims to ICHEIC
has passed, the list is very important and useful not only for restitution
matters, but also for genealogical research purposes, pertaining mainly to
central European countries.

Uriel Meretz, Ramat-Hasharon, Israel <meretz@netvision.net.il>


German SIG #Germany SITE CITE- ICHEIC List of Insurance Policyholders #germany

meretz
 

Dear all,
I have been informed by ICHEIC that their list of "Potential Holocaust Era
Insurance Policyholders", which has been taken off their web site, has now
been made by ICHEIC accessible again on a special new web site -
www.pheip.org . Although the deadline for submitting new claims to ICHEIC
has passed, the list is very important and useful not only for restitution
matters, but also for genealogical research purposes, pertaining mainly to
central European countries.

Uriel Meretz, Ramat-Hasharon, Israel <meretz@netvision.net.il>


INTRO - MARX and LAMM Families #germany

Linda Shefler <linsilv@...>
 

Hi,
After many years researching my MARX and LAMM families in Cincinnati and
Cleveland, OH I finally have enough information to expand my research to
Germany. So this is my first correspondence with you.

I have no prior experience in doing research in Germany though I have been
doing genealogy off and on for the past twenty years. My only language is English.

My gg grandfather Aaron J. MARX (born 1834) arrived in the States in 1853.
He was >from Sterbfritz, Hessen and he went to Cincinnati, OH. He was 19
years old and traveling with two girls >from Sterbfritz; Gitta BERG (18 years
old) and Eloise SHUSTER (15 years old). I assume they were related but
can't say for sure. Aaron fought in the Civil War and eventually ended up
in Cleveland, OH where he became the first Jewish policeman in the city.

My gg grandmother Bertha LAMM (born 1833) was >from Darmstadt. I assume she
also arrived sometime in the 1850s. She and Aaron were married in 1856. I
don't know much at all about her family though I suspect she had two
brothers and a sister in Cincinnati by the names of Leon, Samuel and Nancy
LAMM. They had LAMM Brothers Clothiers in Cincinnati and eventually moved
to Baltimore where they opened a store with the same name.

There are several things that I would like to accomplish with my research.
I would like to trace further generations back >from my gg grandparents as
well as horizontally and learn of the family history in Germany.

I would like to learn more about Bertha LAMM and find the connection between
Bertha and Leon, Samuel and Nancy LAMM.

I would like to determine if Aaron was related to Gitta BERG and Eloise
SHUSTER and what the connection was.

There was a Feist MARX in Cleveland that I suspect was related to Aaron and
I would like to determine if there was a connection between them. Feist was
born in 1807 and immigrated to the States in 1836. Most of the records say
he was born in Hesse Darmstadt. Feist was also known as
Frederick/Fred/Ferdinand. He was a peddler. His oldest children Moses,
Edward and Amelia were born in New York; Amelia and Charles were born in Ohio.

I look forward to learning a lot >from your letters in this digest and thank
you for your time. Best wishes,

Linda Silverman Shefler Cary, NC linsilv@nc.rr.com

MOD NOTE: Welcome to GerSIG and good luck in your research. We had (maybe still
have) a GerSIG member Eva LAMM. Look in the archives for emails to the list from
her containing her email address.


Re: Binyamin Viner #general

Mark Halpern
 

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, an independent organization whose
website and database are hosted by JewishGen, has indexed all the
available Jewish vital records for Bialystok >from 1835 through 1903. If
you search the database (go to www.jri-poland.org and click Search
database), you will find many index entries for WINER, WAJNER, WEJNER,
all spelling variations of VINER.

You may also be interested in BIALYGen, the Bialystok Region Jewish
Genealogy Group. We have a website at
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/bialygen/homepage.htm. Click on
Discussion Forum to join the Bialystok discussion. Click on Research
Projects to search our project databases.

Mark Halpern
BIALYGen Coordinator
bialystoker@comcast.net

----- Original Message -----
The name Binyamin,having been the father of my grandfather, Joseph VINER,
was the name written on Joseph's gravestone in the Etz Haim Cemetery in
Leeds UK.
The family possibly came >from Bialystok.Joseph
(Jowe) married Bashe Bershansky >from Jonava.
I am searching for Viners >from Bialystok.

Brenda Habshush, Sde Boker,Israel.


German SIG #Germany INTRO - MARX and LAMM Families #germany

Linda Shefler <linsilv@...>
 

Hi,
After many years researching my MARX and LAMM families in Cincinnati and
Cleveland, OH I finally have enough information to expand my research to
Germany. So this is my first correspondence with you.

I have no prior experience in doing research in Germany though I have been
doing genealogy off and on for the past twenty years. My only language is English.

My gg grandfather Aaron J. MARX (born 1834) arrived in the States in 1853.
He was >from Sterbfritz, Hessen and he went to Cincinnati, OH. He was 19
years old and traveling with two girls >from Sterbfritz; Gitta BERG (18 years
old) and Eloise SHUSTER (15 years old). I assume they were related but
can't say for sure. Aaron fought in the Civil War and eventually ended up
in Cleveland, OH where he became the first Jewish policeman in the city.

My gg grandmother Bertha LAMM (born 1833) was >from Darmstadt. I assume she
also arrived sometime in the 1850s. She and Aaron were married in 1856. I
don't know much at all about her family though I suspect she had two
brothers and a sister in Cincinnati by the names of Leon, Samuel and Nancy
LAMM. They had LAMM Brothers Clothiers in Cincinnati and eventually moved
to Baltimore where they opened a store with the same name.

There are several things that I would like to accomplish with my research.
I would like to trace further generations back >from my gg grandparents as
well as horizontally and learn of the family history in Germany.

I would like to learn more about Bertha LAMM and find the connection between
Bertha and Leon, Samuel and Nancy LAMM.

I would like to determine if Aaron was related to Gitta BERG and Eloise
SHUSTER and what the connection was.

There was a Feist MARX in Cleveland that I suspect was related to Aaron and
I would like to determine if there was a connection between them. Feist was
born in 1807 and immigrated to the States in 1836. Most of the records say
he was born in Hesse Darmstadt. Feist was also known as
Frederick/Fred/Ferdinand. He was a peddler. His oldest children Moses,
Edward and Amelia were born in New York; Amelia and Charles were born in Ohio.

I look forward to learning a lot >from your letters in this digest and thank
you for your time. Best wishes,

Linda Silverman Shefler Cary, NC linsilv@nc.rr.com

MOD NOTE: Welcome to GerSIG and good luck in your research. We had (maybe still
have) a GerSIG member Eva LAMM. Look in the archives for emails to the list from
her containing her email address.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Binyamin Viner #general

Mark Halpern
 

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, an independent organization whose
website and database are hosted by JewishGen, has indexed all the
available Jewish vital records for Bialystok >from 1835 through 1903. If
you search the database (go to www.jri-poland.org and click Search
database), you will find many index entries for WINER, WAJNER, WEJNER,
all spelling variations of VINER.

You may also be interested in BIALYGen, the Bialystok Region Jewish
Genealogy Group. We have a website at
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/bialygen/homepage.htm. Click on
Discussion Forum to join the Bialystok discussion. Click on Research
Projects to search our project databases.

Mark Halpern
BIALYGen Coordinator
bialystoker@comcast.net

----- Original Message -----
The name Binyamin,having been the father of my grandfather, Joseph VINER,
was the name written on Joseph's gravestone in the Etz Haim Cemetery in
Leeds UK.
The family possibly came >from Bialystok.Joseph
(Jowe) married Bashe Bershansky >from Jonava.
I am searching for Viners >from Bialystok.

Brenda Habshush, Sde Boker,Israel.


All_the Titles of GenAmi N. 33 #germany

Micheline GUTMANN <m.gutmann@...>
 

All the Titles of GenAmi - September 2005

- Mazel Tov! Our new website
- Abraham Lazard >from Bohemia to Lorraine,
his descendants in the United States
- Ashkenazim & Sephardim
- Introduction to a personal genealogy
- Descendants of Eliezer Wallach, the Saint, of Dornach
- The origin of General Katz, >from legend to reality
- Extracts >from the "Journal historique d'Alsace"
- A Story of Cantors in Alsace: descendants of Samuel Hirschel Weill-Stern
- The Jewish boarders of the New Catholics' home in Paris
- Huguenot and Jewish refugees in Metz in a register of bourgeoisie
- The Rachi Year and Troyes
- Genealogical reviews - Communications & mails=20
- Acquisitions - Questions - General Information


Micheline GUTMANN, Paris France m.gutmann@genami.org www.genami.org


German SIG #Germany All_the Titles of GenAmi N. 33 #germany

Micheline GUTMANN <m.gutmann@...>
 

All the Titles of GenAmi - September 2005

- Mazel Tov! Our new website
- Abraham Lazard >from Bohemia to Lorraine,
his descendants in the United States
- Ashkenazim & Sephardim
- Introduction to a personal genealogy
- Descendants of Eliezer Wallach, the Saint, of Dornach
- The origin of General Katz, >from legend to reality
- Extracts >from the "Journal historique d'Alsace"
- A Story of Cantors in Alsace: descendants of Samuel Hirschel Weill-Stern
- The Jewish boarders of the New Catholics' home in Paris
- Huguenot and Jewish refugees in Metz in a register of bourgeoisie
- The Rachi Year and Troyes
- Genealogical reviews - Communications & mails=20
- Acquisitions - Questions - General Information


Micheline GUTMANN, Paris France m.gutmann@genami.org www.genami.org