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19th Annual Conference on Jewish Genealogy - Contact #general

Linda Cantor <lincan@...>
 

If, in the next few days, you must fax me about the 19th Annual Conference
on Jewish Genealogy , please fax to 212 579-7896. Also note that I will not
reply to email for several days, but will catch up shortly. I'm moving and
will be back in electronic contact after the weekend (I hope).


Linda Cantor
lincan@worldnet.att.net
Conference Registration


ROOSA, VREDENBERG, PELS, LOW, KOOL, KORTRIJK, TACK, WESTPHALIA #general

JEAN BOUTCHER <sealover2@...>
 

Can anyone please help with my search? I need proof, so I need the
source of information that states that my ancestor Aldaert
(Albert) Heymanse Roosa came >from a rabbinical familyu, that his real
name was Abraham ben Chaim Rosa, son of Heyman Guysberts, and that the
families surnamed Roosa, Gomez,
Gonsaulus, and Fonsecas -- all of NY -- had all been driven out
of Iberia by tghe year 1492.

Albert, who was a devout member of the Dutch Reformed Church, was b. in
Herwynen, Gelderland, Holland, in 1621. He was m. to
Wyntje (Wilhelmina) Arias de Jonge, dau of Adrian Maertzsen of
Bommel, Gelderland. With Rev. Herman Blom, they emigrated to
New Amsterdam in 1660 with the first eight of ten children as follows:

1. Heyman, b. 1643, m. Margriet v. Roosevelt; 2. Arie (real name
Aaron) (my 8th ggf), m. Maria Pels, dau of Evert v. Pels and Jannetje
Simons Schepmoes (emigrants NY 1642); 3. Jan, m.
Hillegond Williams; 4. Ekee, m. Dr. Roeloff Kierstede; 5. Maritje,
m. Laurens Jansen Low *; 6. Cornelia, m. Hendric Paeldin; 7.
Jannetje, m. Mattys Ten Eyck; 8. Aert; 9. Annatje; 10. Guert.

*Laurens Jansen Low, one of children emigrating to NY 1663 with my
Flemish ancestor Jan Sebastiansen v. Kortrijk, adopted years later a
surname, "Low."

I must ask you in advance to forgive me for the length of this em-mail.
In the future, I shall submit a brief query in regard to my
other Dutch-Flemish ancestors in NY in 1600s: PELS, KOOL,
VREDENBERG, KORTRIGHT, TACK, WESTPHALIA.

Jean Boutcher, Washington, D.C.
sealover2@juno.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 19th Annual Conference on Jewish Genealogy - Contact #general

Linda Cantor <lincan@...>
 

If, in the next few days, you must fax me about the 19th Annual Conference
on Jewish Genealogy , please fax to 212 579-7896. Also note that I will not
reply to email for several days, but will catch up shortly. I'm moving and
will be back in electronic contact after the weekend (I hope).


Linda Cantor
lincan@worldnet.att.net
Conference Registration


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ROOSA, VREDENBERG, PELS, LOW, KOOL, KORTRIJK, TACK, WESTPHALIA #general

JEAN BOUTCHER <sealover2@...>
 

Can anyone please help with my search? I need proof, so I need the
source of information that states that my ancestor Aldaert
(Albert) Heymanse Roosa came >from a rabbinical familyu, that his real
name was Abraham ben Chaim Rosa, son of Heyman Guysberts, and that the
families surnamed Roosa, Gomez,
Gonsaulus, and Fonsecas -- all of NY -- had all been driven out
of Iberia by tghe year 1492.

Albert, who was a devout member of the Dutch Reformed Church, was b. in
Herwynen, Gelderland, Holland, in 1621. He was m. to
Wyntje (Wilhelmina) Arias de Jonge, dau of Adrian Maertzsen of
Bommel, Gelderland. With Rev. Herman Blom, they emigrated to
New Amsterdam in 1660 with the first eight of ten children as follows:

1. Heyman, b. 1643, m. Margriet v. Roosevelt; 2. Arie (real name
Aaron) (my 8th ggf), m. Maria Pels, dau of Evert v. Pels and Jannetje
Simons Schepmoes (emigrants NY 1642); 3. Jan, m.
Hillegond Williams; 4. Ekee, m. Dr. Roeloff Kierstede; 5. Maritje,
m. Laurens Jansen Low *; 6. Cornelia, m. Hendric Paeldin; 7.
Jannetje, m. Mattys Ten Eyck; 8. Aert; 9. Annatje; 10. Guert.

*Laurens Jansen Low, one of children emigrating to NY 1663 with my
Flemish ancestor Jan Sebastiansen v. Kortrijk, adopted years later a
surname, "Low."

I must ask you in advance to forgive me for the length of this em-mail.
In the future, I shall submit a brief query in regard to my
other Dutch-Flemish ancestors in NY in 1600s: PELS, KOOL,
VREDENBERG, KORTRIGHT, TACK, WESTPHALIA.

Jean Boutcher, Washington, D.C.
sealover2@juno.com


Mogilev #general

Paul Silverstone <paulh@...>
 

I am interested in reading about what happened when the Germans
occupied the town
of Mogilev in White Russia in 1941. Can someone direct me to a
source (in English!)

--
Paul Silverstone
New York

reply to: paulh@aya.yale.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mogilev #general

Paul Silverstone <paulh@...>
 

I am interested in reading about what happened when the Germans
occupied the town
of Mogilev in White Russia in 1941. Can someone direct me to a
source (in English!)

--
Paul Silverstone
New York

reply to: paulh@aya.yale.edu


Reciprocation of work #general

Norman Greenfeld <ng253@...>
 

Debra Rosenberg and Joel Jakobson, separately, speak positively of
helping others on the digest (and, I assume, elsewhere) in their
searches for family ties and connections. and yet, others complain
bitterly about not receiving thanks for what they have done "for
you."!
Debra also suggests that helping others fulfills a tikkun olum
requirement. And it is here that I get perturbed.
Shall I do"good works" because it is an obligation? Shall I offer to
help only if others can reciprocate? Nope! I do not want to write to
the digest and suggest that if you will look this up for me, then I'll
reciprocate for you. Also, I don't want you to have to ask me to look
up "for you" and you will reciprocate for me. I will, however, offer
thanks to those who help me and respond to those who write me. I
should hope for similar acts by others, BUT it is not a requirement.

Life should be simpler and more helpful than that. Sure, I get upset
with someone asking a question on the digest that "might" be answered
by the rabbi, but I can't argue against "library" work since not all
will have access to "libraries." And not everyne has unlimited,
relatively cheap access to the web.
So, let us be charitable, thankful, helpful people...and keep
smiling.
Norman Greenfeld
Almany BY
ng253@cnsibm.albany.edu


Re: 1880 census enumeration districts #general

Barry Finkel <b19141@...>
 

I would say the chances are very slim that he is in this census.
As I understand >from another list I read, there were "official
dates" of each census, and the census enumerators asked for personal
statistics as of that date, no matter what date they actually came
to the house. I don't recall the date for the 1880 census, but I am
thinking it was probably either January 1 or April 1.
I have records >from the 1880 census >from three states:

CA: June 9
PA: June 2
NY: June 15

Barry S. Finkel
Chicago, IL USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Reciprocation of work #general

Norman Greenfeld <ng253@...>
 

Debra Rosenberg and Joel Jakobson, separately, speak positively of
helping others on the digest (and, I assume, elsewhere) in their
searches for family ties and connections. and yet, others complain
bitterly about not receiving thanks for what they have done "for
you."!
Debra also suggests that helping others fulfills a tikkun olum
requirement. And it is here that I get perturbed.
Shall I do"good works" because it is an obligation? Shall I offer to
help only if others can reciprocate? Nope! I do not want to write to
the digest and suggest that if you will look this up for me, then I'll
reciprocate for you. Also, I don't want you to have to ask me to look
up "for you" and you will reciprocate for me. I will, however, offer
thanks to those who help me and respond to those who write me. I
should hope for similar acts by others, BUT it is not a requirement.

Life should be simpler and more helpful than that. Sure, I get upset
with someone asking a question on the digest that "might" be answered
by the rabbi, but I can't argue against "library" work since not all
will have access to "libraries." And not everyne has unlimited,
relatively cheap access to the web.
So, let us be charitable, thankful, helpful people...and keep
smiling.
Norman Greenfeld
Almany BY
ng253@cnsibm.albany.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 1880 census enumeration districts #general

Barry Finkel <b19141@...>
 

I would say the chances are very slim that he is in this census.
As I understand >from another list I read, there were "official
dates" of each census, and the census enumerators asked for personal
statistics as of that date, no matter what date they actually came
to the house. I don't recall the date for the 1880 census, but I am
thinking it was probably either January 1 or April 1.
I have records >from the 1880 census >from three states:

CA: June 9
PA: June 2
NY: June 15

Barry S. Finkel
Chicago, IL USA


Addresses in Vienna #general

Henry Wellisch <Henry_Wellisch@...>
 

There are several important addresses in Vienna where one can find a
lot of information.

1. Israelitische Kultusgemeinde Wien (Jewish Community of Vienna)
Seitenstettengasse 4
(Birth, Marriage, Death records (1826- 1938)

2. Wiener Stadt und Landesarchiv (Vienna City and County Archive)
Magistratsabteilung 8 (MA8)
Rathaus (City hall)
(Vienna, population records before 1948)

3. Zentralevidenzstelle (Central documentary office)
Magistratsabteilung 61 (MA 61)
Rathaus (City hall)
(Proof of domicile, proof of death certificates)

4. Bundespolizeidirection Wien (Police Directorate Vienna)
Zentralmeldeamt (Central Registration Office)
Rossauerlaende 5
(Population records on Vienna after 1948)

5. SCHALOM, Society for Restoration of Jewish Cemeteries in Vienna
Zentralfriedhof (Central Cemetery)
Tor 1 (First gate)
(Speak to Mr. Walter Pagler, he has a trailer there)

Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Re: Harry the Horse #general

spvolk@...
 

<< On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 03:47:13, gailmann@jps.net (Gail Mittelman) wrote:

> I was told that a relative was a famous Jewish gangster going by the name
> Harry the Horse. I tried looking in periodicals for him. Has anyone any
> info? His real name was Harris R Rosen of NYC. Thanks. Gail >>

A good bet <g>, he liked to play the horses and friends named him for the
character in "Guys and Dolls". It was not uncommon to find bookies and
dealers who were Jewish in the 30s, 40s, 50s...... There was a book written
not too long ago (within the last year?) about Jewish Gangsters.

Shelley (with limited connections to da mob) Volk
Chicago, IL

MODERATOR NOTE: We've taken this around the far turn <grin>
now we're done. Continue privately if you've a mind to.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Addresses in Vienna #general

Henry Wellisch <Henry_Wellisch@...>
 

There are several important addresses in Vienna where one can find a
lot of information.

1. Israelitische Kultusgemeinde Wien (Jewish Community of Vienna)
Seitenstettengasse 4
(Birth, Marriage, Death records (1826- 1938)

2. Wiener Stadt und Landesarchiv (Vienna City and County Archive)
Magistratsabteilung 8 (MA8)
Rathaus (City hall)
(Vienna, population records before 1948)

3. Zentralevidenzstelle (Central documentary office)
Magistratsabteilung 61 (MA 61)
Rathaus (City hall)
(Proof of domicile, proof of death certificates)

4. Bundespolizeidirection Wien (Police Directorate Vienna)
Zentralmeldeamt (Central Registration Office)
Rossauerlaende 5
(Population records on Vienna after 1948)

5. SCHALOM, Society for Restoration of Jewish Cemeteries in Vienna
Zentralfriedhof (Central Cemetery)
Tor 1 (First gate)
(Speak to Mr. Walter Pagler, he has a trailer there)

Henry Wellisch
Toronto


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Harry the Horse #general

spvolk@...
 

<< On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 03:47:13, gailmann@jps.net (Gail Mittelman) wrote:

> I was told that a relative was a famous Jewish gangster going by the name
> Harry the Horse. I tried looking in periodicals for him. Has anyone any
> info? His real name was Harris R Rosen of NYC. Thanks. Gail >>

A good bet <g>, he liked to play the horses and friends named him for the
character in "Guys and Dolls". It was not uncommon to find bookies and
dealers who were Jewish in the 30s, 40s, 50s...... There was a book written
not too long ago (within the last year?) about Jewish Gangsters.

Shelley (with limited connections to da mob) Volk
Chicago, IL

MODERATOR NOTE: We've taken this around the far turn <grin>
now we're done. Continue privately if you've a mind to.


Re: Russian Gubernyas #general

rokoco1@...
 

I would sincerely appreciate your assistance - My maternal grandparents came
to the USA in the 1890s - My Grandfather unquestionably came >from around
Kiev, possibly >from a Shtetl named Kaslov which would have been in the Pale -
My Grandmother phonetically said that she came >from GALARNI GUBERNI, which I
have been unable to locate - as she was the daughter of an Agricultural
Scientist, she was raised on the estate of a Count which would suggest that
this location was
not in the Pale - Have you any knowledge of a Gubernya which sounds like
this? I
was told that there was an area near Minsk called Galarna which was an
agricultural area but do not know if this was a Gubernya or not. Thanks,
Jerome Cohen


Name equivalents (or the lack thereof) #general

Steven Chall <steven.chall@...>
 

Judith Romney Wegner wrote:
SNIP<<all the Jewish Ians I ever met had the Hebrew name Yitzhak. >>SNIP
~~~
For the totally unscientific collection, my son Ian's Hebrew name is
Israel. We just used an english name starting with "I".

613
Steven Chall in Minneapolis, MN =[;-)
Researching:
ALEXANDER & CHALL
(Dvinsk,Russia (now Latvia); before 1900)
ZELMANOV & HALKIN
(Bobruisk, Russia; before 1907) (France; abt 1930)
BECKER & CHASKELEVITZ (became CHASWORTH)
(Kishenev, Bessarabia; before 1920)
Someday BRODSKY, COHEN, KAPLAN (Poland / Russia)
All ended up in parts of New York City


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Russian Gubernyas #general

rokoco1@...
 

I would sincerely appreciate your assistance - My maternal grandparents came
to the USA in the 1890s - My Grandfather unquestionably came >from around
Kiev, possibly >from a Shtetl named Kaslov which would have been in the Pale -
My Grandmother phonetically said that she came >from GALARNI GUBERNI, which I
have been unable to locate - as she was the daughter of an Agricultural
Scientist, she was raised on the estate of a Count which would suggest that
this location was
not in the Pale - Have you any knowledge of a Gubernya which sounds like
this? I
was told that there was an area near Minsk called Galarna which was an
agricultural area but do not know if this was a Gubernya or not. Thanks,
Jerome Cohen


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Name equivalents (or the lack thereof) #general

Steven Chall <steven.chall@...>
 

Judith Romney Wegner wrote:
SNIP<<all the Jewish Ians I ever met had the Hebrew name Yitzhak. >>SNIP
~~~
For the totally unscientific collection, my son Ian's Hebrew name is
Israel. We just used an english name starting with "I".

613
Steven Chall in Minneapolis, MN =[;-)
Researching:
ALEXANDER & CHALL
(Dvinsk,Russia (now Latvia); before 1900)
ZELMANOV & HALKIN
(Bobruisk, Russia; before 1907) (France; abt 1930)
BECKER & CHASKELEVITZ (became CHASWORTH)
(Kishenev, Bessarabia; before 1920)
Someday BRODSKY, COHEN, KAPLAN (Poland / Russia)
All ended up in parts of New York City


FTJP and Helping Others #general

Carol Rombro Rider
 

Menno--You have a point when you complain that some of us are not always
using the important words "please" and "thank you" when we correspond with
one another. It may also be that some of us are intimidated when we do not
know to whom we write when using the FTJP. But don't get discouraged; there
are more of us out in Jewishgen land who will gladly say "please", "thank
you" and even offer our time and experience to reach out and help others.

There is a gentleman in Baltimore that I have known for over ten years.
He is retired, and spends about 7 days a week doing genealogy--mostly for
other people.
As a mentor, he has taught me an invaluble lesson. When he does research for
other people, he learns things that he may otherwise never have learned just
doing research for himself. There are resources he uses that he may never
use again. There are places and names he comes across that he may never see
again. But inevitably, as life will do, it comes back in other ways to help
him in his research.

For those who ask only for themselves and will not ever help anyone
else, I can only say that they can never learn the game of genealogy like
others will. I suspect that many of them will be forever looking for the
great, big genealogy file with their families' names on it. (If you are not
familiar with this file, please see the Jewishgen Infofiles and look for Dan
Leeson's "Genealogical Fable". It will enable you to locate everything you
have ever wanted to know about your ancestors very quickly......)

Don't be discouraged. Keep enjoying Jewishgen for all the good and
friendly people you will meet online. And Menno, work hard on your family
tree. After all, one day you may find that you and I are related--and then
just think--you will already have done all the work for me on that side of
the tree--and I will give you a great, big THANK YOU!

Carol Rombro Rider Baltimore, Maryland USA CRomRider@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FTJP and Helping Others #general

Carol Rombro Rider
 

Menno--You have a point when you complain that some of us are not always
using the important words "please" and "thank you" when we correspond with
one another. It may also be that some of us are intimidated when we do not
know to whom we write when using the FTJP. But don't get discouraged; there
are more of us out in Jewishgen land who will gladly say "please", "thank
you" and even offer our time and experience to reach out and help others.

There is a gentleman in Baltimore that I have known for over ten years.
He is retired, and spends about 7 days a week doing genealogy--mostly for
other people.
As a mentor, he has taught me an invaluble lesson. When he does research for
other people, he learns things that he may otherwise never have learned just
doing research for himself. There are resources he uses that he may never
use again. There are places and names he comes across that he may never see
again. But inevitably, as life will do, it comes back in other ways to help
him in his research.

For those who ask only for themselves and will not ever help anyone
else, I can only say that they can never learn the game of genealogy like
others will. I suspect that many of them will be forever looking for the
great, big genealogy file with their families' names on it. (If you are not
familiar with this file, please see the Jewishgen Infofiles and look for Dan
Leeson's "Genealogical Fable". It will enable you to locate everything you
have ever wanted to know about your ancestors very quickly......)

Don't be discouraged. Keep enjoying Jewishgen for all the good and
friendly people you will meet online. And Menno, work hard on your family
tree. After all, one day you may find that you and I are related--and then
just think--you will already have done all the work for me on that side of
the tree--and I will give you a great, big THANK YOU!

Carol Rombro Rider Baltimore, Maryland USA CRomRider@aol.com