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Buenos Aires - MAKRANSKY #general

Paul & Dana <paul.dana@...>
 

I am searching for records relating to Israel MAKRANSKY,
who moved >from Grodno Guberniya to Buenos Aires,
Argentina during the 1890's.

Does anyone know where I might search for records in Argentina for
any records regarding him?

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

Paul Ginsburg
Bethesda, MD

Searching: GINSBURG, WILCHER, MAKRANSKY,
PERCOWICZ/PERTZOVITCH, NITZBURG, NOVASADSKY

MODERATOR NOTE: Check the JewishGen Archived Messages...many
discussions have been held on this topic. Use Argentina,
Buenos Aires, JCA (Jewish Colonization Assoc.), CEMLA as
search words. Also consider joining latamsig hosted by
JewishGen. See Special Interest Groups on the homepage,
http://www.jewishgen.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Buenos Aires - MAKRANSKY #general

Paul & Dana <paul.dana@...>
 

I am searching for records relating to Israel MAKRANSKY,
who moved >from Grodno Guberniya to Buenos Aires,
Argentina during the 1890's.

Does anyone know where I might search for records in Argentina for
any records regarding him?

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

Paul Ginsburg
Bethesda, MD

Searching: GINSBURG, WILCHER, MAKRANSKY,
PERCOWICZ/PERTZOVITCH, NITZBURG, NOVASADSKY

MODERATOR NOTE: Check the JewishGen Archived Messages...many
discussions have been held on this topic. Use Argentina,
Buenos Aires, JCA (Jewish Colonization Assoc.), CEMLA as
search words. Also consider joining latamsig hosted by
JewishGen. See Special Interest Groups on the homepage,
http://www.jewishgen.org


Correction to Warszawa Research Group message #general

H Lipsius <warszawagroup@...>
 

Some how in the cutting and pasting of our message on the
Warszawa Research Group a digit was cut off.

There were 375,000 Jews in Warszawa prior to the second World War.
That was 29.1% of the Warszawa population, which was actually not
the high point. Some bit of statistics for those that are interested.

In 1797 there were 7,700 Jews in Warszawa
In 1816 there were 15,600 Jews or 19.2 % of the population and in
1864 there were 72,800 or 32.7% of the population.

Not all Jews lived in the Shtetls. Yes, Jews did live in the city
and we are proud to be part of that group.

Warszawa Group!!

(H. Lipsius)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Correction to Warszawa Research Group message #general

H Lipsius <warszawagroup@...>
 

Some how in the cutting and pasting of our message on the
Warszawa Research Group a digit was cut off.

There were 375,000 Jews in Warszawa prior to the second World War.
That was 29.1% of the Warszawa population, which was actually not
the high point. Some bit of statistics for those that are interested.

In 1797 there were 7,700 Jews in Warszawa
In 1816 there were 15,600 Jews or 19.2 % of the population and in
1864 there were 72,800 or 32.7% of the population.

Not all Jews lived in the Shtetls. Yes, Jews did live in the city
and we are proud to be part of that group.

Warszawa Group!!

(H. Lipsius)


Re: Lomza yeshiva #general

Avi Rabinowitz <avirab@...>
 

There is a Lomza yeshiva in Petach Tikva in Israel, established by
descendants (?) of the original yeshiva heads. My grandfather learned in
Lomza 90 years ago as a child.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Lomza yeshiva #general

Avi Rabinowitz <avirab@...>
 

There is a Lomza yeshiva in Petach Tikva in Israel, established by
descendants (?) of the original yeshiva heads. My grandfather learned in
Lomza 90 years ago as a child.


And then there are dead ends in genealogy research........ #general

David Goldman <davic@...>
 

It suddenly hit me today that occasionally there are dead-ends in our
genealogy research, and not just because we can't usually go beyond
several generations. Take the situation of the families (if they
exist) of my great-grandmother's siblings. Not only was she not
regularly in touch with them when they were in Russia and she in
Canada, but she never bothered to tell her children or grandchildren
who those people were, where they lived or who their children
were......over a period of say 60 years. Thus there may be out their
descendants of her siblings who could remain anonymous forever.......

David Goldman
davic@erols.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen And then there are dead ends in genealogy research........ #general

David Goldman <davic@...>
 

It suddenly hit me today that occasionally there are dead-ends in our
genealogy research, and not just because we can't usually go beyond
several generations. Take the situation of the families (if they
exist) of my great-grandmother's siblings. Not only was she not
regularly in touch with them when they were in Russia and she in
Canada, but she never bothered to tell her children or grandchildren
who those people were, where they lived or who their children
were......over a period of say 60 years. Thus there may be out their
descendants of her siblings who could remain anonymous forever.......

David Goldman
davic@erols.com


Re: 1920's Mt. Zion Burial Societies -NY #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

If those Societies still exist, the administrative office at Mt. Zion
Cemetery will probably have the name and address of a contact.

Many societies filled their plots in Mt Zion and later obtained plots in
cemeteries further out on Long Island, so you might also check with the
administrators at cemeteries like Beth Davis and Mount Hebron.

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY
PZAVON@Worldnet.att.net

DISD123@aol.com wrote in message <58b0da10.248a8332@aol.com>...

Recently I located two relatives that were buried at Mt. Zion Cemetery in
Queens, NY, in the late 1920's. One relative was buried in the "Home for
Aged and Infirm Hebrews" (Wolf SIMON) and one was buried in the "Berthold
Auerbach Mutual Aid & Ben. Association." (Leopold SIMON) Has anyone ever
heard of these societies or know of any current contacts? I'm not sure how
my relatives are connected to these societies or groups.

Thank you for any help.

Debby Davis
DISD123@aol.com


Times Obituaries #general

Jerome Silverbush <jsilverbus@...>
 

I was successful in finding my grandfather=92s date of death >from the Ne=
w
York Times back issues on microfilm. Most major libraries should have
the Times on microfilm (I used Duke library in Durham, NC), and it is
very easy to find an old obituary.

First you look up the name in the Personal Name Index, a set of books
that lists the names alphabetically and covers the years 1851 to the
present. I found an entry for my grandfather that gave a year and a
page number.

You then go to the index book for that year and on the indicated page,
find the desired entry (listed alpha). The entry gives a date, page and
column for the obituary. You then find the microfilm for the desired
date and find the obituary. The microfilms are very good quality.

I also found two other mentions of Silverbush, a bankruptcy and one
about a Silverbush in the Airforce.

Jerry Silverbush, Durham, NC USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 1920's Mt. Zion Burial Societies -NY #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

If those Societies still exist, the administrative office at Mt. Zion
Cemetery will probably have the name and address of a contact.

Many societies filled their plots in Mt Zion and later obtained plots in
cemeteries further out on Long Island, so you might also check with the
administrators at cemeteries like Beth Davis and Mount Hebron.

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY
PZAVON@Worldnet.att.net

DISD123@aol.com wrote in message <58b0da10.248a8332@aol.com>...

Recently I located two relatives that were buried at Mt. Zion Cemetery in
Queens, NY, in the late 1920's. One relative was buried in the "Home for
Aged and Infirm Hebrews" (Wolf SIMON) and one was buried in the "Berthold
Auerbach Mutual Aid & Ben. Association." (Leopold SIMON) Has anyone ever
heard of these societies or know of any current contacts? I'm not sure how
my relatives are connected to these societies or groups.

Thank you for any help.

Debby Davis
DISD123@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Times Obituaries #general

Jerome Silverbush <jsilverbus@...>
 

I was successful in finding my grandfather=92s date of death >from the Ne=
w
York Times back issues on microfilm. Most major libraries should have
the Times on microfilm (I used Duke library in Durham, NC), and it is
very easy to find an old obituary.

First you look up the name in the Personal Name Index, a set of books
that lists the names alphabetically and covers the years 1851 to the
present. I found an entry for my grandfather that gave a year and a
page number.

You then go to the index book for that year and on the indicated page,
find the desired entry (listed alpha). The entry gives a date, page and
column for the obituary. You then find the microfilm for the desired
date and find the obituary. The microfilms are very good quality.

I also found two other mentions of Silverbush, a bankruptcy and one
about a Silverbush in the Airforce.

Jerry Silverbush, Durham, NC USA


Issie Fine of Montreal - Cousin Please Contact Me #belarus

Shellyk135@...
 

Issie FINE recently appeared in the discussion group. He is my cousin via a
POPOK connection.

How do I get his e-mail address?

Sheldon Kneller
Cave Creek AZ
ShellyK135@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Looks like the discussion group helped to make a connection.
Issie Fine's e-mail address that appeared in the header of his message is:
<cbsrap@bcs.ca>


Belarus SIG #Belarus Issie Fine of Montreal - Cousin Please Contact Me #belarus

Shellyk135@...
 

Issie FINE recently appeared in the discussion group. He is my cousin via a
POPOK connection.

How do I get his e-mail address?

Sheldon Kneller
Cave Creek AZ
ShellyK135@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Looks like the discussion group helped to make a connection.
Issie Fine's e-mail address that appeared in the header of his message is:
<cbsrap@bcs.ca>


Plisa, Belarus to Roises Pt to NY. #belarus

Avrohom Krauss <avkrauss@...>
 

I also have a question about routes >from Belarus. An immigrant relative
of mine, >from Plisa, Belarus was listed on his Naturalization Papers as
traveling on the S.S. "Zeeberland" (probably Zeeland) and arriving in U.S.
at Roises Pt. destination N.Y. "via rail". Indeed, he lived in NYC. From
the Mortan Allan Directory, I see the "Zeeland" ran Antwerp-NY. I did not
find him on the NY manifests. If he didn't come directly to NY City, how
did he get to Roises Pt.? Perhaps, he traveled to Canada, crossed the
border at Roises Pt. and took a train east to Manhattan. (It would be a bit
out of the way to go this route, backtracking, traveling east to west and
back east. But it can't be ruled out. The fare may have been cheaper.)
However, I checked the St. Alban's lists and had no luck. Anyone have ideas?

Avrohom Krauss
Telz-Stone, Israel
avkrauss@actcom.co.il

Researching: ROGOZIN, LAPIDUS, KAPLOWITZ, SOKOLSKY-Vyazyn,Ilya,
Molodechno, Vileika, Plisa, Volozhin, BELARUS
KLOTZ, Telsiai, LITHUANIA
KRAUS, GOTTFRIED,KINTSLICH, MONATH-Rozwadow, Przemysl,Poland
Borislov,Wolanka, Tustanovitse, Drogobych, UKRAINE


Belarus SIG #Belarus Plisa, Belarus to Roises Pt to NY. #belarus

Avrohom Krauss <avkrauss@...>
 

I also have a question about routes >from Belarus. An immigrant relative
of mine, >from Plisa, Belarus was listed on his Naturalization Papers as
traveling on the S.S. "Zeeberland" (probably Zeeland) and arriving in U.S.
at Roises Pt. destination N.Y. "via rail". Indeed, he lived in NYC. From
the Mortan Allan Directory, I see the "Zeeland" ran Antwerp-NY. I did not
find him on the NY manifests. If he didn't come directly to NY City, how
did he get to Roises Pt.? Perhaps, he traveled to Canada, crossed the
border at Roises Pt. and took a train east to Manhattan. (It would be a bit
out of the way to go this route, backtracking, traveling east to west and
back east. But it can't be ruled out. The fare may have been cheaper.)
However, I checked the St. Alban's lists and had no luck. Anyone have ideas?

Avrohom Krauss
Telz-Stone, Israel
avkrauss@actcom.co.il

Researching: ROGOZIN, LAPIDUS, KAPLOWITZ, SOKOLSKY-Vyazyn,Ilya,
Molodechno, Vileika, Plisa, Volozhin, BELARUS
KLOTZ, Telsiai, LITHUANIA
KRAUS, GOTTFRIED,KINTSLICH, MONATH-Rozwadow, Przemysl,Poland
Borislov,Wolanka, Tustanovitse, Drogobych, UKRAINE


Re: Schiffres/Shifres/Szyfres #belarus

irvjs@...
 

I have found several men [pardon the sexism] with one of the above names
from Grodno but have been unable to determine if any of the other lines are
related to me. Is anyone familiar with this name which does not seem too
common?
The Grodno 1912 voters' list in Jewish Gen has 2 Shifres (presumably
transliterated >from the Russian):
Yankel, son of Leib,
Movsha, son of Samuil.

Yankel is my gf, Yakov-Meir Shifres.
Movsha is probably Moshe, the father of Boris Szyfres who migrated to
Argentina and died a few years ago. His son Luis lives in the US
<szyfres@erols.com>
Moshe apparently had a brother, Isaac, whose son Bernardo Shifres also moved
to Argentina. Boris's son Samuel (1927-1993) has a daughter, Otilia, who has
also been searching for relatives <operadoras@robinson.datamarkets.com.ar>

My gf, Yakov-Meir had 4 sons and 3 daughters. The sons were my father, Israel
(1898-1967) who took the spelling Schiffres when he moved to Germany; Motz
Schifres who died in Belgium; Benjamin Szyfres who lived in Grodno when it
was Polish, and presumably died in the Holocaust and Leibush Szyfres who was
deported >from Grodno by the Soviets to Siberia where he died.
I do not know if my gf had any siblings. Does anyone know of other
Schiffreses >from Grodno?

Irwin Jacob Schiffres
Rochester, NY


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Schiffres/Shifres/Szyfres #belarus

irvjs@...
 

I have found several men [pardon the sexism] with one of the above names
from Grodno but have been unable to determine if any of the other lines are
related to me. Is anyone familiar with this name which does not seem too
common?
The Grodno 1912 voters' list in Jewish Gen has 2 Shifres (presumably
transliterated >from the Russian):
Yankel, son of Leib,
Movsha, son of Samuil.

Yankel is my gf, Yakov-Meir Shifres.
Movsha is probably Moshe, the father of Boris Szyfres who migrated to
Argentina and died a few years ago. His son Luis lives in the US
<szyfres@erols.com>
Moshe apparently had a brother, Isaac, whose son Bernardo Shifres also moved
to Argentina. Boris's son Samuel (1927-1993) has a daughter, Otilia, who has
also been searching for relatives <operadoras@robinson.datamarkets.com.ar>

My gf, Yakov-Meir had 4 sons and 3 daughters. The sons were my father, Israel
(1898-1967) who took the spelling Schiffres when he moved to Germany; Motz
Schifres who died in Belgium; Benjamin Szyfres who lived in Grodno when it
was Polish, and presumably died in the Holocaust and Leibush Szyfres who was
deported >from Grodno by the Soviets to Siberia where he died.
I do not know if my gf had any siblings. Does anyone know of other
Schiffreses >from Grodno?

Irwin Jacob Schiffres
Rochester, NY


Verifying Names of Ships/Where write to: #belarus

Phyllis Cole <phylliscole@...>
 

General Information

Special Access and FOIA Staff, Room 6350
National Archives at College Park
8601 Adelphi Road
College Park, MD 20740-6001

Phone: (301) 713-6620
Fax: (301) 713-7480
----------------------------------------------
E-mail: inquire@nara.nara.gov for form 81

I wrote to NARA Washington, DC

National Archives and Records Administration
700 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20408


http://www.nara.gov/regional/nrmenu.html Nara regional
http://www.nara.gov/research/ Research room

Phyllis Cole
<phylliscole@hotmail.com>


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Myra S. Davis" <myrabokpg@juno.com> wrote:

Where do you get form 81 and which NARA address do you use for the
passenger lists?


Belarus SIG #Belarus Verifying Names of Ships/Where write to: #belarus

Phyllis Cole <phylliscole@...>
 

General Information

Special Access and FOIA Staff, Room 6350
National Archives at College Park
8601 Adelphi Road
College Park, MD 20740-6001

Phone: (301) 713-6620
Fax: (301) 713-7480
----------------------------------------------
E-mail: inquire@nara.nara.gov for form 81

I wrote to NARA Washington, DC

National Archives and Records Administration
700 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20408


http://www.nara.gov/regional/nrmenu.html Nara regional
http://www.nara.gov/research/ Research room

Phyllis Cole
<phylliscole@hotmail.com>


----------

Myra S. Davis" <myrabokpg@juno.com> wrote:

Where do you get form 81 and which NARA address do you use for the
passenger lists?