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1880s photograph - delineating relationships, who is wife, who are #general

Famaz@...
 

Dear Genners,

I have a photograph >from Stanislawow, taken approximately 1880s, which I
believe is of my great-grandfather's family. He is sitting, as is a woman.
There are two young boys at the feet of the woman, and a younger girl at
the feet of the father. However, there is a woman who appears to be in her
late teens, early 20s, standing, with her arm on the father, and two other
women who are also standing, behind the sitting woman, also apparently in
the their early 20s.

Does anyone know what the custom was regarding who lived with a family?
Did unmarried female sisters of the husband or wife ever live with a
family? Can I assume that the sitting woman is the wife of my
great-grandfather, or would it be the standing woman with her arm on his
shoulder?

The photograph has the words "Apfel" and "w. Stanislawowie" printed on the
bottom. There also appears to be some sort of "official stamp" in the
shape of a crown between the two words.

Thank you for any help you can give me!

Sincerely,

Denise Azbill
Las Vegas, NV
SEARCHING: WEIDENFELD, ZWIRNBAUM, GLICKMAN, BLEIMAN


Re: Fischel #general

FINEY@...
 

Regarding the name Fischel. My "Hebrew" name is Fischel Ruven, and it is
translated into Robert Phillip. Phillip is the Fischel part.
Bob Fineberg
Dr Robert P Fineberg,Pharm.D.
Colorado Springs, CO
Finey@aol.com


"Do you have more information on KNISHKOV, Chairman of the Kovno Association #general

Golan <liya1@...>
 

Dear Genners,

After a year of disappointment I manage to come after my grandfather's
roots. Can you tell me ALL what you know about this issue:
"Do you have more information on KNISHKOV, Chairman of the Kovno
Association of the Justices of Peace? I am researching this name."
More details about it I have kindly received >from Steve Weiss >from Chicago,
"The material which you refer to is a book published in Russia in 1884 on
the "Jewish Question". Apparently Knishkov was asked to give a report on
the Jewish tax known as the "Box Tax".

Could you clear the fog , and help me with my research with my paternal
family?

Liya Golan.


Re: "Sfard Anshe Polen" #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

The word "Nusach" translates roughly as "liturgy". Nusach Sfard is an
unquestionably Ashkenazic nusach, while Nusach Sfardi is the term (at
leastamong we Ashkenazim) used for the liturgy of the true Sfardim.

The Nusach Sfard (there are actually several versions of this nusach) has
its genesis >from the Arizal, an important early mystic in Judaism. It was
(and is) the nusach used by the Chasidim and it is through the Chasidic
movement that Nusach Sefard spread.

I assume that the reason it is called Nusach Sfard is that the variations
it has relative to Nusach Ashkenaz are some of the features (though by no
means all)which distinguish Nusach Sfardi >from Nusach Ashkenaz.

Dovid Colman
I have a beautiful framed poster on my livingroom wall depicting the "Holy
ARI." He is known as the ARI (which happens to mean "Lion") because A-R-Y
or A-R-I is his acronym -- it stands for ha-Elohi Rabbi Yitzhak ( the
word Elohi actually begins with aleph, hence the acronym is
Aleph-Resh-Yod). His actual name was Isaac LURIA -- aka Isaac ASHKENAZI
(1534-1572). and he founded the fascinating subdivision of Jewish mysticism
now known as the Lurianic Kabbalah and widely accepted by the Hasidim. He
settled in Tsfat (Safed) in the Galil (northern Israel) in 1569.

Gershom Scholem's article on Luria in the Encycloaedia Judaica says that
the ARI (though himself an Ashkenazi) "did prefer the Sephardi liturgy...
and Hasidim accepted the Sephardi liturgy [i.e., Nusakh Sefarad] in prayer
as they adopted many of htis other observances."

Judith Romney Wegner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1880s photograph - delineating relationships, who is wife, who are #general

Famaz@...
 

Dear Genners,

I have a photograph >from Stanislawow, taken approximately 1880s, which I
believe is of my great-grandfather's family. He is sitting, as is a woman.
There are two young boys at the feet of the woman, and a younger girl at
the feet of the father. However, there is a woman who appears to be in her
late teens, early 20s, standing, with her arm on the father, and two other
women who are also standing, behind the sitting woman, also apparently in
the their early 20s.

Does anyone know what the custom was regarding who lived with a family?
Did unmarried female sisters of the husband or wife ever live with a
family? Can I assume that the sitting woman is the wife of my
great-grandfather, or would it be the standing woman with her arm on his
shoulder?

The photograph has the words "Apfel" and "w. Stanislawowie" printed on the
bottom. There also appears to be some sort of "official stamp" in the
shape of a crown between the two words.

Thank you for any help you can give me!

Sincerely,

Denise Azbill
Las Vegas, NV
SEARCHING: WEIDENFELD, ZWIRNBAUM, GLICKMAN, BLEIMAN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Fischel #general

FINEY@...
 

Regarding the name Fischel. My "Hebrew" name is Fischel Ruven, and it is
translated into Robert Phillip. Phillip is the Fischel part.
Bob Fineberg
Dr Robert P Fineberg,Pharm.D.
Colorado Springs, CO
Finey@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Do you have more information on KNISHKOV, Chairman of the Kovno Association #general

Golan <liya1@...>
 

Dear Genners,

After a year of disappointment I manage to come after my grandfather's
roots. Can you tell me ALL what you know about this issue:
"Do you have more information on KNISHKOV, Chairman of the Kovno
Association of the Justices of Peace? I am researching this name."
More details about it I have kindly received >from Steve Weiss >from Chicago,
"The material which you refer to is a book published in Russia in 1884 on
the "Jewish Question". Apparently Knishkov was asked to give a report on
the Jewish tax known as the "Box Tax".

Could you clear the fog , and help me with my research with my paternal
family?

Liya Golan.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Sfard Anshe Polen" #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

The word "Nusach" translates roughly as "liturgy". Nusach Sfard is an
unquestionably Ashkenazic nusach, while Nusach Sfardi is the term (at
leastamong we Ashkenazim) used for the liturgy of the true Sfardim.

The Nusach Sfard (there are actually several versions of this nusach) has
its genesis >from the Arizal, an important early mystic in Judaism. It was
(and is) the nusach used by the Chasidim and it is through the Chasidic
movement that Nusach Sefard spread.

I assume that the reason it is called Nusach Sfard is that the variations
it has relative to Nusach Ashkenaz are some of the features (though by no
means all)which distinguish Nusach Sfardi >from Nusach Ashkenaz.

Dovid Colman
I have a beautiful framed poster on my livingroom wall depicting the "Holy
ARI." He is known as the ARI (which happens to mean "Lion") because A-R-Y
or A-R-I is his acronym -- it stands for ha-Elohi Rabbi Yitzhak ( the
word Elohi actually begins with aleph, hence the acronym is
Aleph-Resh-Yod). His actual name was Isaac LURIA -- aka Isaac ASHKENAZI
(1534-1572). and he founded the fascinating subdivision of Jewish mysticism
now known as the Lurianic Kabbalah and widely accepted by the Hasidim. He
settled in Tsfat (Safed) in the Galil (northern Israel) in 1569.

Gershom Scholem's article on Luria in the Encycloaedia Judaica says that
the ARI (though himself an Ashkenazi) "did prefer the Sephardi liturgy...
and Hasidim accepted the Sephardi liturgy [i.e., Nusakh Sefarad] in prayer
as they adopted many of htis other observances."

Judith Romney Wegner


Fleischman - Brenner from Pokroi #southafrica

Sharon Fleischman <adjusterbob@...>
 

I've recently discovered that my family comes >from the town of Pokroi
Lithuania. My family name is either Brenner or Fleischman. Can anyone
there connect to this?

Robert Fleischman
adjusterbob@worldnet.att.net
Miami Beach, Fl.


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Fleischman - Brenner from Pokroi #southafrica

Sharon Fleischman <adjusterbob@...>
 

I've recently discovered that my family comes >from the town of Pokroi
Lithuania. My family name is either Brenner or Fleischman. Can anyone
there connect to this?

Robert Fleischman
adjusterbob@worldnet.att.net
Miami Beach, Fl.


Extraordinary Divorce Decree #general

Edward Flax <ejflax@...>
 

The civil divorce decree granted in April 1943 to my wife's grandmother
from her grandfather, by the Supreme Court of Bronx County, NY contained an
order that seems to be an extraordinary exercise of judicial power.

Family members say that my wife's grandfather left her grandmother and
moved to California in the early 1920's. The grandfather was personally
served with a summons, and evidently appeared in the case. The copy we have
of the divorce decree was certified as final, in Sept 1947 by the County
Clerk and Clerk of the Supreme Court, Bronx County.

Can anyone familiar with divorce law comment on the unusual language below,
quoted >from the decree. It appears on it's face to prevent my wife's
grandfather >from marrying again without the express permission of the court!
Would this actually have been an enforceable provision in the United States?

"ORDERED, ADJUDGED AND DECREED that the plaintiff is entitled to a
judgement that the marriage heretofore existing between the plaintiff and
the defendant be dissolved by reason of defendant's adultery; that
plaintiff be freed >from the obligations therefore and permitting plaintiff
to marry again; but forbidding defendant to marry any person other than
plaintiff during the life time of the plaintiff except by express
permission of the Court.

ORDERED, ADJUDGED and DECREED, that this judgement is interlocutory, but
shall become the final judgement as of course three months after the entry
and filing hereof, unless for sufficient cause the Court in the meantime
shall have otherwise ordered. Upon this judgement becoming the final
judgement, the said marriage shall be dissolved and the plaintiff shall
thereby be divorced >from the defendant and it shall be lawful for the
plaintiff to marry again, the same as if the defendant were dead, but it
shall not be lawful for the defendant to marry any person other than the
plaintiff during the lifetime of the plaintiff, except by express
permission of the Court."

Many thanks for your thoughts and comments.

Ed Flax
Member - Phila. JGS
ejflax@worldnet.att.net


Re: Birth and Death Records for LESSNE - Pomerantz #general

Judith Constable <a030838t@...>
 

I made a successful find in locating my Grandparents death certificate
numbers and their date of death at the local LDS library yesterday. I was
wondering what kind of information I can find on the certificates? I am
looking for ship references, date of birth and where they were born.


Judith Constable
a030838t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Extraordinary Divorce Decree #general

Edward Flax <ejflax@...>
 

The civil divorce decree granted in April 1943 to my wife's grandmother
from her grandfather, by the Supreme Court of Bronx County, NY contained an
order that seems to be an extraordinary exercise of judicial power.

Family members say that my wife's grandfather left her grandmother and
moved to California in the early 1920's. The grandfather was personally
served with a summons, and evidently appeared in the case. The copy we have
of the divorce decree was certified as final, in Sept 1947 by the County
Clerk and Clerk of the Supreme Court, Bronx County.

Can anyone familiar with divorce law comment on the unusual language below,
quoted >from the decree. It appears on it's face to prevent my wife's
grandfather >from marrying again without the express permission of the court!
Would this actually have been an enforceable provision in the United States?

"ORDERED, ADJUDGED AND DECREED that the plaintiff is entitled to a
judgement that the marriage heretofore existing between the plaintiff and
the defendant be dissolved by reason of defendant's adultery; that
plaintiff be freed >from the obligations therefore and permitting plaintiff
to marry again; but forbidding defendant to marry any person other than
plaintiff during the life time of the plaintiff except by express
permission of the Court.

ORDERED, ADJUDGED and DECREED, that this judgement is interlocutory, but
shall become the final judgement as of course three months after the entry
and filing hereof, unless for sufficient cause the Court in the meantime
shall have otherwise ordered. Upon this judgement becoming the final
judgement, the said marriage shall be dissolved and the plaintiff shall
thereby be divorced >from the defendant and it shall be lawful for the
plaintiff to marry again, the same as if the defendant were dead, but it
shall not be lawful for the defendant to marry any person other than the
plaintiff during the lifetime of the plaintiff, except by express
permission of the Court."

Many thanks for your thoughts and comments.

Ed Flax
Member - Phila. JGS
ejflax@worldnet.att.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:Birth and Death Records for LESSNE - Pomerantz #general

Judith Constable <a030838t@...>
 

I made a successful find in locating my Grandparents death certificate
numbers and their date of death at the local LDS library yesterday. I was
wondering what kind of information I can find on the certificates? I am
looking for ship references, date of birth and where they were born.


Judith Constable
a030838t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us


Re: death certificate for Lynbrook, LI man #general

Rakoff125
 

Nathan Smith wrote: "Sig Smith". He must have died probably somewhere
other than where he last lived, since there is no record in the County
Registrars Office in the county where he last lived. Lynbrook, L.I.,
Nassau county." and you could not find his records.
Lynbrook is part of the much larger town of Hempstead, I suggest you try
the Town of Hempstead and see if they can be of assistance. I'm not sure
which department but if you browse a phone list on line that might be able
to direct you. good luck.
Linda Rakoff
Newton, MA


Deported Passenger/ Response summary #general

Bruce Reisch <bir1@...>
 

I wrote:
I am looking through the soundex index of New York passenger arrivals
(1902-1943, National Archives Microfilm Series T621) for a person known to
have arrived in October 1921. He was detained due to an eye problem and
deported back to Warsaw soon thereafter, though his wife was permitted to
stay in New York. Will he still be found in the index to passenger
arrivals (and on the ship passenger manifest)?

Here is a summary of responses received:
1. Detained and deported passengers will still be in the index.
2. Since the passenger list is filled out on board ship prior to arrival,
all arriving passengers are listed in the manifest.
3. Deported passengers are also listed at the end of each ship passenger
manifest, along with the reason for deportation.
4. If a passenger who was eventually deported traveled with other family
members, their names can also be looked up in the soundex index.
5. Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society records (available at YIVO and LDS Fam.
History Centers) also have information about the deportation of arriving
passengers.
6. You can request the INS file >from a relative's deportation hearing.
You may actually receive this file through a combination of luck and
perseverance. I am unclear if the file will contain genealogically
relevant material, but the story of the deportation hearing will be an
interesting one to collect.
7. Don't always trust old family stories. For instance, one respondent
told me that several family members confirmed that a relative had arrived
but was promptly deported. It was later learned that only his spouse had
actually boarded the ship; he was rejected at the port of embarkation due
to the pre-screening of passengers which shipping lines did to avoid the
expense of returning a deported passenger.

Thanks to all who took the time to respond so generously and so helpfully.


Bruce Reisch
Geneva, New York
Researching:
REISCH, SCHECHTER, FEUERSTEIN - Sadgura, Bukowina, Ukraine
SCHACHTER, BRUCKER/BRUKER, HALPERN - Radauti, Bukowina, Romania
BRUCKER/BRUKER - Solca, Bukowina, Romania
WEISSMAN - Brody, Galicia, Ukraine
SCHACHTER - Okup, Ukraine


FRIDRICH #general

hschwart@...
 

Has anyone come across with a surename Fridrich, or know of anyone by that
name?

Henry Schwartz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: death certificate for Lynbrook, LI man #general

Rakoff125
 

Nathan Smith wrote: "Sig Smith". He must have died probably somewhere
other than where he last lived, since there is no record in the County
Registrars Office in the county where he last lived. Lynbrook, L.I.,
Nassau county." and you could not find his records.
Lynbrook is part of the much larger town of Hempstead, I suggest you try
the Town of Hempstead and see if they can be of assistance. I'm not sure
which department but if you browse a phone list on line that might be able
to direct you. good luck.
Linda Rakoff
Newton, MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Deported Passenger/ Response summary #general

Bruce Reisch <bir1@...>
 

I wrote:
I am looking through the soundex index of New York passenger arrivals
(1902-1943, National Archives Microfilm Series T621) for a person known to
have arrived in October 1921. He was detained due to an eye problem and
deported back to Warsaw soon thereafter, though his wife was permitted to
stay in New York. Will he still be found in the index to passenger
arrivals (and on the ship passenger manifest)?

Here is a summary of responses received:
1. Detained and deported passengers will still be in the index.
2. Since the passenger list is filled out on board ship prior to arrival,
all arriving passengers are listed in the manifest.
3. Deported passengers are also listed at the end of each ship passenger
manifest, along with the reason for deportation.
4. If a passenger who was eventually deported traveled with other family
members, their names can also be looked up in the soundex index.
5. Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society records (available at YIVO and LDS Fam.
History Centers) also have information about the deportation of arriving
passengers.
6. You can request the INS file >from a relative's deportation hearing.
You may actually receive this file through a combination of luck and
perseverance. I am unclear if the file will contain genealogically
relevant material, but the story of the deportation hearing will be an
interesting one to collect.
7. Don't always trust old family stories. For instance, one respondent
told me that several family members confirmed that a relative had arrived
but was promptly deported. It was later learned that only his spouse had
actually boarded the ship; he was rejected at the port of embarkation due
to the pre-screening of passengers which shipping lines did to avoid the
expense of returning a deported passenger.

Thanks to all who took the time to respond so generously and so helpfully.


Bruce Reisch
Geneva, New York
Researching:
REISCH, SCHECHTER, FEUERSTEIN - Sadgura, Bukowina, Ukraine
SCHACHTER, BRUCKER/BRUKER, HALPERN - Radauti, Bukowina, Romania
BRUCKER/BRUKER - Solca, Bukowina, Romania
WEISSMAN - Brody, Galicia, Ukraine
SCHACHTER - Okup, Ukraine


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FRIDRICH #general

hschwart@...
 

Has anyone come across with a surename Fridrich, or know of anyone by that
name?

Henry Schwartz