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surnames BONDER and MINTZER #general

Randsboxer@...
 

Still looking for any information or links on surnames of
BONDER and MINTZER.

TIA

Rose Boxer
Ocala, FL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen surnames BONDER and MINTZER #general

Randsboxer@...
 

Still looking for any information or links on surnames of
BONDER and MINTZER.

TIA

Rose Boxer
Ocala, FL


Genealogy software #general

Mindy Fuchs <p031548b@...>
 

I have to acquire genealogy software for a genealogy class I am taking.

Can anyone recommend software that is not too costly, that would be
appropriate for Jewish genealogy (ancestors >from Poland and Russia),
and not too costly?

Looking for Pistanowitz, Sakalov (>from Poltava), Joachim,

Mindy Fuchs
p031548b@...

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Genealogy software #general

Mindy Fuchs <p031548b@...>
 

I have to acquire genealogy software for a genealogy class I am taking.

Can anyone recommend software that is not too costly, that would be
appropriate for Jewish genealogy (ancestors >from Poland and Russia),
and not too costly?

Looking for Pistanowitz, Sakalov (>from Poltava), Joachim,

Mindy Fuchs
p031548b@...

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cannot carry testimonials for commercial products.


Judean Richter #general

hschwart@...
 

Has anyone heard of the Fraise "Judean Richter"? I know it means a
Jewish judge. But was there such a thing in towns to have a Judean
Richter? What was this Fraise used for?

I am a descendant Rebbie Yackov Fisch of Nagykallo, and his father was
known as Yitzcok Judean Richter

Thank you

Henry Schwartz

Searching:
SCHWARTZ (Nyiregyhaza) (Sarospatak) GLUCK (Kemesce) Bokony) (Papa) (Prag)
ORENSTIEN (Lemberg) GUTTMANN (Nyiregyhaza) FRIEDRICH (Humenne)
FISCH (Nagykallo) (Zoboltow) STIENBRECHER KLUFTER / KLAFTER RUBIN
MARKOVICH (Bacsava) IZSAK (Bacsava) BENOVICH KATZ (Klucsarka)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Judean Richter #general

hschwart@...
 

Has anyone heard of the Fraise "Judean Richter"? I know it means a
Jewish judge. But was there such a thing in towns to have a Judean
Richter? What was this Fraise used for?

I am a descendant Rebbie Yackov Fisch of Nagykallo, and his father was
known as Yitzcok Judean Richter

Thank you

Henry Schwartz

Searching:
SCHWARTZ (Nyiregyhaza) (Sarospatak) GLUCK (Kemesce) Bokony) (Papa) (Prag)
ORENSTIEN (Lemberg) GUTTMANN (Nyiregyhaza) FRIEDRICH (Humenne)
FISCH (Nagykallo) (Zoboltow) STIENBRECHER KLUFTER / KLAFTER RUBIN
MARKOVICH (Bacsava) IZSAK (Bacsava) BENOVICH KATZ (Klucsarka)


Search for Rabbi LAMM #general

Diane Frankel <dlfrankel@...>
 

Does anyone know how I can contact a Rabbi Norman Lamm?
I believe he lives in Metro NYC.

Diane Frankel
North Miami Beach, FL
dlfrankel@...

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Search for Rabbi LAMM #general

Diane Frankel <dlfrankel@...>
 

Does anyone know how I can contact a Rabbi Norman Lamm?
I believe he lives in Metro NYC.

Diane Frankel
North Miami Beach, FL
dlfrankel@...

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Responses - A question about sharing genealogical information #general

Algaze@...
 

I would like to thank all of the members of this forum who responded
to my question regarding the protocol of adding the research of other
genealogists to my own family tree. I would like to summarize the general
consensus of the messages I received.

Making connections and sharing information is basically the purpose of
posting our own family lines on web sites, on the Jewish Gen JGFF,
and on the Family Tree of the Jewish People. We put our own
information out there for someone to find and make a connection with.

That said, there were several caveats mentioned:

1) If you are considering including a great deal of information obtained
from another researcher, it would be a courtesy to ask that researcher
for his/her permission. After all, they are the ones who did all the work
to gather the information and put it together. In addition, be sure to
"...put a note in the notes to say who the source was."

2) Honor the wishes of the other researcher if there is some information
that they do not want you to include. We ARE dealing with very personal
information and we do have to show a little sensitivity in dealing with
other people's personal preferences.

That said, some members wrote that they *only* include information >from
other researchers that apply to their own *Direct* line. Some wrote that
they include *everthing*. It seems to be a personal preference.

The best response I received stated a two fold philosophy in gathering
information that was:

A) "...to learn as much as possible about our families and where they
all come from, and additionally how the jewish families around the world
really all do link up. I want to leave a legacy for my children and their
children as to where we all come from. To this end I think it is important
that we add as much data as possible to our trees", and

B) "...by linking all the families together that I find links to, we only
expand the horizons of others to help them find their history and
heritage. Since I posted my tree on the FTJP, I have found at least three
other sections to add to my tree. In all, I am strongly in favor of
adding as many links as possible to my tree, although my main
concentration is and always will be the direct lines."

Another respondent made the comment: " Of course, I'd love to see the
documents supporting her research too."

So, I hope this information helps to guide other researchers in making
their own decisions. If you would like to see a collection of ALL the
responses I received, contact me directly. Thank you all again for
your input.

Barbara Algaze
Los Angeles, California

Note: All quoted materials included here are with permission >from the
authors. BA

Searching for:
COHN - in the towns of Wreschen, Gnesen, Tirischtiegel, Samter,
Schoenlanke, and Posen. All in Posen, West Prussia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Responses - A question about sharing genealogical information #general

Algaze@...
 

I would like to thank all of the members of this forum who responded
to my question regarding the protocol of adding the research of other
genealogists to my own family tree. I would like to summarize the general
consensus of the messages I received.

Making connections and sharing information is basically the purpose of
posting our own family lines on web sites, on the Jewish Gen JGFF,
and on the Family Tree of the Jewish People. We put our own
information out there for someone to find and make a connection with.

That said, there were several caveats mentioned:

1) If you are considering including a great deal of information obtained
from another researcher, it would be a courtesy to ask that researcher
for his/her permission. After all, they are the ones who did all the work
to gather the information and put it together. In addition, be sure to
"...put a note in the notes to say who the source was."

2) Honor the wishes of the other researcher if there is some information
that they do not want you to include. We ARE dealing with very personal
information and we do have to show a little sensitivity in dealing with
other people's personal preferences.

That said, some members wrote that they *only* include information >from
other researchers that apply to their own *Direct* line. Some wrote that
they include *everthing*. It seems to be a personal preference.

The best response I received stated a two fold philosophy in gathering
information that was:

A) "...to learn as much as possible about our families and where they
all come from, and additionally how the jewish families around the world
really all do link up. I want to leave a legacy for my children and their
children as to where we all come from. To this end I think it is important
that we add as much data as possible to our trees", and

B) "...by linking all the families together that I find links to, we only
expand the horizons of others to help them find their history and
heritage. Since I posted my tree on the FTJP, I have found at least three
other sections to add to my tree. In all, I am strongly in favor of
adding as many links as possible to my tree, although my main
concentration is and always will be the direct lines."

Another respondent made the comment: " Of course, I'd love to see the
documents supporting her research too."

So, I hope this information helps to guide other researchers in making
their own decisions. If you would like to see a collection of ALL the
responses I received, contact me directly. Thank you all again for
your input.

Barbara Algaze
Los Angeles, California

Note: All quoted materials included here are with permission >from the
authors. BA

Searching for:
COHN - in the towns of Wreschen, Gnesen, Tirischtiegel, Samter,
Schoenlanke, and Posen. All in Posen, West Prussia


US Newspaper Abstracts website pre-1923 #general

Hilary Henkin <propper@...>
 

Hi, all!
One of the other lists I subscribe to mentioned the following website.
It is building a collection of newspaper articles, searchable by keyword,
or state, county, year, and month. It covers the U.S., and focuses on
pre-1923 dates.

http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia
Researching: BERLIN >from Mogilev, HENKIN-GENKIN, KATZ >from Ekatrinaslav,
LAPIDUS, LAVROTIN-LAVRUTIN, PESACHINSKY, RINCOVER-HARINCOVER,
POLLACK/POLLOCK/POLLOCKOFF, SREBERK-SCHRIEBER >from Harbin, China,
SHIMERNITSKY, SOCHINETSKY, STEINHART and variations >from Russia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen US Newspaper Abstracts website pre-1923 #general

Hilary Henkin <propper@...>
 

Hi, all!
One of the other lists I subscribe to mentioned the following website.
It is building a collection of newspaper articles, searchable by keyword,
or state, county, year, and month. It covers the U.S., and focuses on
pre-1923 dates.

http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia
Researching: BERLIN >from Mogilev, HENKIN-GENKIN, KATZ >from Ekatrinaslav,
LAPIDUS, LAVROTIN-LAVRUTIN, PESACHINSKY, RINCOVER-HARINCOVER,
POLLACK/POLLOCK/POLLOCKOFF, SREBERK-SCHRIEBER >from Harbin, China,
SHIMERNITSKY, SOCHINETSKY, STEINHART and variations >from Russia


genomic DNA and / or mitochondrial DNA? #dna

Dr. Reuben Baumal <reuben.baumal@...>
 

In addition to preparing genomic DNA >from the buccal smear, which allows
you to assess the 11Y chromosome markers that provide information about
patrilineal descent and whether one is a Kohen, do you also prepare
mitochondrial DNA >from the same buccal smear, which would provide
information about matrilineal descent? Are both of these types of DNA
prepared routinely >from each buccal smear or does one have to ask for
this to be done? If both are done, is the price still $219 (American
funds)? If both of these types of DNA are prepared, are 2 profiles
released to the database-one showing the profile for patrilineal
descent and the other showing the profile for matrilineal descent?

Reuben Baumal
Toronto, Canada


DNA Research #DNA genomic DNA and / or mitochondrial DNA? #dna

Dr. Reuben Baumal <reuben.baumal@...>
 

In addition to preparing genomic DNA >from the buccal smear, which allows
you to assess the 11Y chromosome markers that provide information about
patrilineal descent and whether one is a Kohen, do you also prepare
mitochondrial DNA >from the same buccal smear, which would provide
information about matrilineal descent? Are both of these types of DNA
prepared routinely >from each buccal smear or does one have to ask for
this to be done? If both are done, is the price still $219 (American
funds)? If both of these types of DNA are prepared, are 2 profiles
released to the database-one showing the profile for patrilineal
descent and the other showing the profile for matrilineal descent?

Reuben Baumal
Toronto, Canada


Turning Genealogy Inside-Out #dna

garymaher@...
 

Excuse me while I digress:

To me, the really fascinating part of this DNA stuff is the sudden
importance of the matrilineal line. As a long-time, hard-core
genealogist, I've stared at my pedigree charts at times and followed my
maternal line back, thinking "this is always the hardest line to trace".
This may no longer be the case due to the ability to identify
mitochondrial DNA, which can provide clues to the reconstruction of
female lines with multiple missing generations.

But conventional genealogical terminology and practices leave us
ill-prepared to focus on the exclusively female line. For starters,
what do we call it? Can't use a surname, because they change with each
generation. Can't use the most recent member because of all the cousins.
The earliest known mother might do for a while, but she will (hopefully)
be replaced, and almost certainly by a woman with a different name!

Next, accustomed as we all are to collect our relatives in patriarchal
family groups, it's difficult to conceive of the group of relatives who
share our mitochondrial DNA. It's easy to peg our y-chromosomal cousins
-- they're Mahers, or Tobiases, or Greenspans. Even if we are not
specifically aware of them or our common ancestor, they neatly fit in a
conceptual box. Not so for the MtDNA cousins. They are somehow related
to great-grandma, but are not necessarily descended >from her, and
probably have nothing to do with her maiden or married surname.

Also, while we are equally related (genealogically, if not genetically)
to each of our equally-far-back ancestors, I think we generally feel more
related to the families whose surnames have made it the closest to us.
So I feel more a Maher than a Galen/Goldstein/Zagowski (mom's maiden
name), and more those two than Cree and Miller/Zarembowicz (grandmothers'
maiden names). Most people probably indentify most closely with the four
surnames of their grandparents (two if you're >from West Virginia). Now
turn that around and look at it >from the MtDNA standpoint. Your own
matrilineal line is analogous to (or the mirror image of) the line from
which you acquired your (maiden) surname. The other three analogously
relevant lines are those of your grandparents' _mothers_. I predict
these are families most people don't know of and that few genealogists
identify with or research thoroughly, relatively (!) speaking.

And just to mention my current dilemma, trying to decide on the
appropriate test subjects to pin down the MtDNA of interest is really
a fascinating exercise!

So I'd like to end this rambling post by saluting my four primary Jewish
matrilineal lines, named for the earliest known direct female ancestors
of my mother's grandparents:

1. Mala (or Maryam) of Ostrow Mazowiecka (1773-1830), daughter of Moszk
and wife of Gerszon Bengelsdorf, whose MtDNA was hopefully a dead
ringer for mine;

2. Sora of Piatnica (b. c. 1794), daughter of Berek, wife of Froim
Maslowicz;

3. Zysla of someplace other than Lomza, where her daughter lived
(b. bef 1808), daughter of Jankiel, wife of Moszk Kossowski; and

4. Reyza of possibly Szczuczyn (b. bef 1774), daughter of Leyzor,
wife of Abram.

Here's to finding cousins commonly descended >from the women in the near
future!

Gary Maher
NJ / USA
mailto:garymaher@...
-------------------
MODERATOR'S NOTE:
As it is a digression - although an interesting one - further
discussion is requested to be on a private basis.

-------------------


DNA Research #DNA Turning Genealogy Inside-Out #dna

garymaher@...
 

Excuse me while I digress:

To me, the really fascinating part of this DNA stuff is the sudden
importance of the matrilineal line. As a long-time, hard-core
genealogist, I've stared at my pedigree charts at times and followed my
maternal line back, thinking "this is always the hardest line to trace".
This may no longer be the case due to the ability to identify
mitochondrial DNA, which can provide clues to the reconstruction of
female lines with multiple missing generations.

But conventional genealogical terminology and practices leave us
ill-prepared to focus on the exclusively female line. For starters,
what do we call it? Can't use a surname, because they change with each
generation. Can't use the most recent member because of all the cousins.
The earliest known mother might do for a while, but she will (hopefully)
be replaced, and almost certainly by a woman with a different name!

Next, accustomed as we all are to collect our relatives in patriarchal
family groups, it's difficult to conceive of the group of relatives who
share our mitochondrial DNA. It's easy to peg our y-chromosomal cousins
-- they're Mahers, or Tobiases, or Greenspans. Even if we are not
specifically aware of them or our common ancestor, they neatly fit in a
conceptual box. Not so for the MtDNA cousins. They are somehow related
to great-grandma, but are not necessarily descended >from her, and
probably have nothing to do with her maiden or married surname.

Also, while we are equally related (genealogically, if not genetically)
to each of our equally-far-back ancestors, I think we generally feel more
related to the families whose surnames have made it the closest to us.
So I feel more a Maher than a Galen/Goldstein/Zagowski (mom's maiden
name), and more those two than Cree and Miller/Zarembowicz (grandmothers'
maiden names). Most people probably indentify most closely with the four
surnames of their grandparents (two if you're >from West Virginia). Now
turn that around and look at it >from the MtDNA standpoint. Your own
matrilineal line is analogous to (or the mirror image of) the line from
which you acquired your (maiden) surname. The other three analogously
relevant lines are those of your grandparents' _mothers_. I predict
these are families most people don't know of and that few genealogists
identify with or research thoroughly, relatively (!) speaking.

And just to mention my current dilemma, trying to decide on the
appropriate test subjects to pin down the MtDNA of interest is really
a fascinating exercise!

So I'd like to end this rambling post by saluting my four primary Jewish
matrilineal lines, named for the earliest known direct female ancestors
of my mother's grandparents:

1. Mala (or Maryam) of Ostrow Mazowiecka (1773-1830), daughter of Moszk
and wife of Gerszon Bengelsdorf, whose MtDNA was hopefully a dead
ringer for mine;

2. Sora of Piatnica (b. c. 1794), daughter of Berek, wife of Froim
Maslowicz;

3. Zysla of someplace other than Lomza, where her daughter lived
(b. bef 1808), daughter of Jankiel, wife of Moszk Kossowski; and

4. Reyza of possibly Szczuczyn (b. bef 1774), daughter of Leyzor,
wife of Abram.

Here's to finding cousins commonly descended >from the women in the near
future!

Gary Maher
NJ / USA
mailto:garymaher@...
-------------------
MODERATOR'S NOTE:
As it is a digression - although an interesting one - further
discussion is requested to be on a private basis.

-------------------


Cemetery sites in East Galicia #galicia

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

Last week we visited the following cemetery sites:
Lwow, Zalosce, Zbarazh, Tarnopol, Perehinsko, Rozniatow, Dolina,
Bolechow, Rozdol, Brezdowicz, Skalat, Grimaylow, Stanislawow,
Nizniow, Buczacz, Lysiec.

A summary appears at
<http:///www.geocities.com\pikholz\trip\cems.htm>

Israel Pickholtz
Israel
<zach4v6@...>


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Cemetery sites in East Galicia #galicia

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

Last week we visited the following cemetery sites:
Lwow, Zalosce, Zbarazh, Tarnopol, Perehinsko, Rozniatow, Dolina,
Bolechow, Rozdol, Brezdowicz, Skalat, Grimaylow, Stanislawow,
Nizniow, Buczacz, Lysiec.

A summary appears at
<http:///www.geocities.com\pikholz\trip\cems.htm>

Israel Pickholtz
Israel
<zach4v6@...>


Old Jewish cemetery in Kaminka near Satanov #galicia

Abraham J Heschel <binmoses@...>
 

I am currently trying to find the grave of my GGF R' Avrohom Yehoshua
HESCHEL of Medzibush, who died in the city/village of Kaminka in 1881.
Though there are more than forty Kaminkas in the Ukraine, I have
ascertained it (partially through JewishGen ShtetlSeeker) to most probably
be just outside Satanov.

If anyone has any information or ideas how to get information about a
cemetery in this area, it would greatly appreciated.

Abraham J. Heschel
<binmoses@...>


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Old Jewish cemetery in Kaminka near Satanov #galicia

Abraham J Heschel <binmoses@...>
 

I am currently trying to find the grave of my GGF R' Avrohom Yehoshua
HESCHEL of Medzibush, who died in the city/village of Kaminka in 1881.
Though there are more than forty Kaminkas in the Ukraine, I have
ascertained it (partially through JewishGen ShtetlSeeker) to most probably
be just outside Satanov.

If anyone has any information or ideas how to get information about a
cemetery in this area, it would greatly appreciated.

Abraham J. Heschel
<binmoses@...>