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* Re: Remembering the Shoa victims #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Hello friends,

Gabor is right that it's 5 minutes before 12, but the bells do not
toll for Yad Vashem. It's unfair to charge them with "keeping back
information". They have done such an outstanding work that every
survivor, descendent of a survivor and Jew should really be deeply
thankful for their abnegation and dedication to preserving the memory
of our martyrs. It is paramount to understand that they have a
limited staff and only so many hands to do the thousands of chores
waiting to be done. IMHO, one should try to help them not to tarnish
their image. All we can do during the last 5 minutes is to
collaborate with those institutions who have worked hard during the
last 11 hours and 55 minutes. Join Yad Vashem's volunteers ranks!

Sorry if this is a bit out of the group's subject, but I had to let
my feelings come to the open.

Be well
Tom


mod.-Tom, YV has done an outstanding job documenting the fate of Poland's
Jews and Germany's Jews (and perhaps several other countries as well).
The problem has been, and continues to be the absence of resources (both government and privately funded)allocated towards processing and
publishing material about the fate of Jews >from Hungary and Slovakia.
Currently, there is only one YV researcher who is fluent in Hungarian (Gabi-Bar Shaked) and it is not at all certain that his time is allocated for this purpose.
Also, why was it necessary for myself and others to donate thousands of dollars in order for the NEVEK books to be published? It was expressely stated that the books could not be published without private donors. Is this true of all their publications?
Do you know what the Yad Vashem 2001 project was all about? Tens of millions of dollars that had been garnered >from donars (including
Hungarian Jews), reparations money >from Germany (and other countries) and money >from the State of Israel to rebuild Yad Vashem so that the USHMM in Washington DC will no longer be the "brightest and shiniest".
Certainly, the martyrs of Hungarian and Slovakian Jewry are entitled to a few tens of thousands of dollars in order to complete the job of processing the documents that have been in the possession of Yad Vashem
for at least ten years, and have not yet seen the light of day.

Tom, as a child survivor, I am aware of how passionate you are on the subject of Memory and Rememberance ---
Yad Vashem is located on a mountain in an area of hills and valleys in Jerusalem designated the Memorial Forest. Therefore, it is appropriate to quote Yechezkel/Ezekiel the prophet:
"Upon me was the hand of G-d..and set me down in the valley. The valley was full of bones, and the number of bones was great, behold these bones were very dry. Then G-d questioned me, Can These Bones Yet Live?"
And He prophesized:
"I bring spirit onto you who were slain..and behold a rattling and bones drew near, bone to matching bone.. And G-d commanded me: >from the four
directions come, O spirit, and blow into these slain ones that they may live.. and they lived, - a very, very vast multitude." (liberal translation by writer)LS

At 00:00 -0500 04.07.00, Hungarian SIG digest wrote:
>| Subject: Re: Remembering the Shoa victims
>| From: Gabor Hirsch <hirsch@cyberlink.ch>
>|
>| I would like to comment to the moderators, Louis Schonfelds remark.
>| Yad Vashem is doing a magnificent job with the museum, presenting the
>| past of the countries for the general public, I am less impressed the
>| way they deal with the vast amount of documentation they posses and
>| they don't seem to be eager to do any look up in the archive,
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Hungary SIG #Hungary * Re: Remembering the Shoa victims #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Hello friends,

Gabor is right that it's 5 minutes before 12, but the bells do not
toll for Yad Vashem. It's unfair to charge them with "keeping back
information". They have done such an outstanding work that every
survivor, descendent of a survivor and Jew should really be deeply
thankful for their abnegation and dedication to preserving the memory
of our martyrs. It is paramount to understand that they have a
limited staff and only so many hands to do the thousands of chores
waiting to be done. IMHO, one should try to help them not to tarnish
their image. All we can do during the last 5 minutes is to
collaborate with those institutions who have worked hard during the
last 11 hours and 55 minutes. Join Yad Vashem's volunteers ranks!

Sorry if this is a bit out of the group's subject, but I had to let
my feelings come to the open.

Be well
Tom


mod.-Tom, YV has done an outstanding job documenting the fate of Poland's
Jews and Germany's Jews (and perhaps several other countries as well).
The problem has been, and continues to be the absence of resources (both government and privately funded)allocated towards processing and
publishing material about the fate of Jews >from Hungary and Slovakia.
Currently, there is only one YV researcher who is fluent in Hungarian (Gabi-Bar Shaked) and it is not at all certain that his time is allocated for this purpose.
Also, why was it necessary for myself and others to donate thousands of dollars in order for the NEVEK books to be published? It was expressely stated that the books could not be published without private donors. Is this true of all their publications?
Do you know what the Yad Vashem 2001 project was all about? Tens of millions of dollars that had been garnered >from donars (including
Hungarian Jews), reparations money >from Germany (and other countries) and money >from the State of Israel to rebuild Yad Vashem so that the USHMM in Washington DC will no longer be the "brightest and shiniest".
Certainly, the martyrs of Hungarian and Slovakian Jewry are entitled to a few tens of thousands of dollars in order to complete the job of processing the documents that have been in the possession of Yad Vashem
for at least ten years, and have not yet seen the light of day.

Tom, as a child survivor, I am aware of how passionate you are on the subject of Memory and Rememberance ---
Yad Vashem is located on a mountain in an area of hills and valleys in Jerusalem designated the Memorial Forest. Therefore, it is appropriate to quote Yechezkel/Ezekiel the prophet:
"Upon me was the hand of G-d..and set me down in the valley. The valley was full of bones, and the number of bones was great, behold these bones were very dry. Then G-d questioned me, Can These Bones Yet Live?"
And He prophesized:
"I bring spirit onto you who were slain..and behold a rattling and bones drew near, bone to matching bone.. And G-d commanded me: >from the four
directions come, O spirit, and blow into these slain ones that they may live.. and they lived, - a very, very vast multitude." (liberal translation by writer)LS

At 00:00 -0500 04.07.00, Hungarian SIG digest wrote:
>| Subject: Re: Remembering the Shoa victims
>| From: Gabor Hirsch <hirsch@cyberlink.ch>
>|
>| I would like to comment to the moderators, Louis Schonfelds remark.
>| Yad Vashem is doing a magnificent job with the museum, presenting the
>| past of the countries for the general public, I am less impressed the
>| way they deal with the vast amount of documentation they posses and
>| they don't seem to be eager to do any look up in the archive,
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Searching Alphandary Moise -----> France #general

edgar
 

Searching Alphandary Moise >from Egypt passed to France.

Children or any relatives

Made extensive genealogical research

Thanks

Edgar Erez


Re: All Latvia database - credit where credit is due #general

David Z <dzeNOdzSPAM@...>
 

Congratulations on a great resource. I knew that members of my
family (PRUSSACK and GITTLESON) came >from Latvia and now I can
confirm dates and some more relations! Look forward to the next
update!

Thanks once again

David Zeidman
Malmö
Sweden


C.Whippman and All Latvia Database #general

Arlene Beare <arl@...>
 

Another message and fulsome praise for the Database and the people
that have made it happen. It is really necessary to acknowledge the
contribution made by all the helpers who have worked so hard.

The launch of the All Latvia Database has been "like the birth of a
baby". I quote Constance Whippman our Database Co-Ordinator.

Constance has been extremely generous in her thanks to all who have helped
and to me in particular. She has also been extremely modest about her
achievements.

I cannot let this opportunity pass without giving her the accolades she so
richly deserves. She has worked into the early hours for months on end in
order to get the Database online. Constance has the ability to ferret out
sources of information that would pass by anyone else. Her eagle eye will
note a missing umlaut or a name in the wrong column. She has written
extensive introductions and sent data to all corners of the Globe.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that this database would not exist
without her tireless commitment. I thank her on behalf of all interested
in Latvia for the work she has done which will live as a lasting salute to
the memory of our ancestors.

I would also like to express my thanks to Mike Getz who is always there to
offer friendly advice,smooth oil on troubled waters and input information
where necessary.
He is the Projects Co-ordinator for Latvia SIG and has been always been
able to help with advice as he has an extensive knowledge of Latvia.He has
always cherished the dream of reconstructing the lost community and this
database is the continuation of a dream that began with him as President
of Latvia SIG.

I echo Constance's thanks to Kathy Wolfson, Stanislav Gorbulev, Charles
Nam, Iris Sitkin, Max Michaelson, Robert Heyman, Felix Rabbinovich, Jeremy
Hodes, Malcolm Singer, Carmen Wiseman, Lorraine Bertelson and Maria Krane .

I would also like to thank The Courland Research Steering Committee,
Constance Whippman, Dr.Paul Berkay, Dr. Martha Levinson Lev-Zion and Dr.
Abraham Lenhoff. They have shown total commitment to the database and it
is really appreciated by me and all researching family >from Latvia. The
launch of the excellent Courland Research Group Webpage is also welcomed.
It is an excellent page full of information and well worth a visit.
http://www.jewishgen.org/Courland/

Arlene Beare
Moderator Latvia SIG


Re: Genealogical Peruvian Gold Mine #general

snillop@...
 

Colin Plen wrote:

The story is that when the Jews of eastern Europe came to the
Transvaal Gold Mines in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, they
banded together to give mutual assistance to each other. They formed an
association which was known roughly as P'RU meaning the Polish and
Russian Union, which over the years became known as the Peruvians. The
Anglo Jews and the German Jews looked down on these poorer Jews who had
not had the benefits of "western Culture" and so Peruvians became known
as those without acceptable manners.

But why was the same term, Peruvian, applied to uncultured Jews in
London? I heard it used, and by the descendants of East European
immigrants, in the district where my synagogue was, viz West Ham.

Harold Pollins


Re: Bar Mitzva Custom #general

Joanglas@...
 

I lived in Israel for many years and my sons had their Bar Mitzvahs in
a Sephardic synagogue where the women threw wrapped candies at the Bar
Mitzvah boys. The kids loved it! I was told that this was the custom
only in Sephardic temples.

Joan Glasner
NYC


Not too late for Kosher Food for SLC #general

rgtect@...
 

There is a local Glatt kosher restaurant (New Jersey) that will
double=wrap and freeze meals >from a rather extensive menu and ship them
Fedex to your hotel. If you contact the room service kitchen at the
hotle you are staying at, you can make arrangements to have the meals
heated and served to you whenever you want.

This is not an attempt to sell anything. I have no interest in this or
any other restaurant. I've used the service a number of times when
traveling and it sure beats making tuna sandwiches in a hotel room sink.

Contact me privately if anyone wants details. tick tock...

Reuben Gross
Teaneck, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching Alphandary Moise -----> France #general

edgar
 

Searching Alphandary Moise >from Egypt passed to France.

Children or any relatives

Made extensive genealogical research

Thanks

Edgar Erez


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: All Latvia database - credit where credit is due #general

David Z <dzeNOdzSPAM@...>
 

Congratulations on a great resource. I knew that members of my
family (PRUSSACK and GITTLESON) came >from Latvia and now I can
confirm dates and some more relations! Look forward to the next
update!

Thanks once again

David Zeidman
Malmö
Sweden


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen C.Whippman and All Latvia Database #general

Arlene Beare <arl@...>
 

Another message and fulsome praise for the Database and the people
that have made it happen. It is really necessary to acknowledge the
contribution made by all the helpers who have worked so hard.

The launch of the All Latvia Database has been "like the birth of a
baby". I quote Constance Whippman our Database Co-Ordinator.

Constance has been extremely generous in her thanks to all who have helped
and to me in particular. She has also been extremely modest about her
achievements.

I cannot let this opportunity pass without giving her the accolades she so
richly deserves. She has worked into the early hours for months on end in
order to get the Database online. Constance has the ability to ferret out
sources of information that would pass by anyone else. Her eagle eye will
note a missing umlaut or a name in the wrong column. She has written
extensive introductions and sent data to all corners of the Globe.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that this database would not exist
without her tireless commitment. I thank her on behalf of all interested
in Latvia for the work she has done which will live as a lasting salute to
the memory of our ancestors.

I would also like to express my thanks to Mike Getz who is always there to
offer friendly advice,smooth oil on troubled waters and input information
where necessary.
He is the Projects Co-ordinator for Latvia SIG and has been always been
able to help with advice as he has an extensive knowledge of Latvia.He has
always cherished the dream of reconstructing the lost community and this
database is the continuation of a dream that began with him as President
of Latvia SIG.

I echo Constance's thanks to Kathy Wolfson, Stanislav Gorbulev, Charles
Nam, Iris Sitkin, Max Michaelson, Robert Heyman, Felix Rabbinovich, Jeremy
Hodes, Malcolm Singer, Carmen Wiseman, Lorraine Bertelson and Maria Krane .

I would also like to thank The Courland Research Steering Committee,
Constance Whippman, Dr.Paul Berkay, Dr. Martha Levinson Lev-Zion and Dr.
Abraham Lenhoff. They have shown total commitment to the database and it
is really appreciated by me and all researching family >from Latvia. The
launch of the excellent Courland Research Group Webpage is also welcomed.
It is an excellent page full of information and well worth a visit.
http://www.jewishgen.org/Courland/

Arlene Beare
Moderator Latvia SIG


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Genealogical Peruvian Gold Mine #general

snillop@...
 

Colin Plen wrote:

The story is that when the Jews of eastern Europe came to the
Transvaal Gold Mines in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, they
banded together to give mutual assistance to each other. They formed an
association which was known roughly as P'RU meaning the Polish and
Russian Union, which over the years became known as the Peruvians. The
Anglo Jews and the German Jews looked down on these poorer Jews who had
not had the benefits of "western Culture" and so Peruvians became known
as those without acceptable manners.

But why was the same term, Peruvian, applied to uncultured Jews in
London? I heard it used, and by the descendants of East European
immigrants, in the district where my synagogue was, viz West Ham.

Harold Pollins


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:Bar Mitzva Custom #general

Joanglas@...
 

I lived in Israel for many years and my sons had their Bar Mitzvahs in
a Sephardic synagogue where the women threw wrapped candies at the Bar
Mitzvah boys. The kids loved it! I was told that this was the custom
only in Sephardic temples.

Joan Glasner
NYC


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Not too late for Kosher Food for SLC #general

rgtect@...
 

There is a local Glatt kosher restaurant (New Jersey) that will
double=wrap and freeze meals >from a rather extensive menu and ship them
Fedex to your hotel. If you contact the room service kitchen at the
hotle you are staying at, you can make arrangements to have the meals
heated and served to you whenever you want.

This is not an attempt to sell anything. I have no interest in this or
any other restaurant. I've used the service a number of times when
traveling and it sure beats making tuna sandwiches in a hotel room sink.

Contact me privately if anyone wants details. tick tock...

Reuben Gross
Teaneck, NJ


Re: Photographing Gravestones #general

Paul Silverstone
 

Of course we should remember the project in Winnipeg which has
photographed all Jewish gravestones in the various cemeteries there.
I believe there are some 16000 photographs and it is a most helpful
database for we genealogists!

Paul Silverstone
New York

reply to: paulh@aya.yale.edu

MODERATOR NOTE: Information about the IAJGS International Jewish Cemetery
Project is at http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/index.html


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Photographing Gravestones #general

Paul Silverstone
 

Of course we should remember the project in Winnipeg which has
photographed all Jewish gravestones in the various cemeteries there.
I believe there are some 16000 photographs and it is a most helpful
database for we genealogists!

Paul Silverstone
New York

reply to: paulh@aya.yale.edu

MODERATOR NOTE: Information about the IAJGS International Jewish Cemetery
Project is at http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/index.html


All Latvia Database-Enjoy! #lithuania

MWhippman@...
 

We are delighted to announce the arrival of the new All Latvian Database
which is now on line and fully searchable at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Latvia/
This is a multiple database search facility which incorporates records >from
Voters Lists, family lists, conscription lists, and tax and administration
lists. The combined databases have nearly 25,000 entries, referring to
approximately 40,000 named individuals living in the area now known as
Latvia. The database is a work in progress and new entries are being added
regularly.

First, many thanks to our friends in Latvia including Professor Ruvin Ferber
and Professor Aigars Stranga at the Centre for Judaic Studies in Riga, part
of the University of Latvia. We owe an immense debt of gratitude to the
Archivists at the Riga State Historical Archives for advice and support for
this project. Dr. Tatjana Aleksejeva, Riga, has helped us to identify and
obtain important material >from printed sources. The contribution of Dr.
Peter Woerster of the Herder Institute is also much valued. We are also
grateful to the Jewish community of Dvinsk who has shared its memories and
family information with Mike Getz and the Latvia SIG in hopes that the
memories of the Jewish Familles of Latgale would be preserved.

Our volunteers have been unfailingly cheerful and generous with their time
and skills. A big thank you to Kathy Wolfson, Stanislav Gorbulev, Charles
Nam, Iris Sitkin, Max Michaelson, Robert Heyman, Felix Rabbinovich, Jeremy
Hodes, Malcolm Singer, Carmen Wiseman, Lorraine Bertelson and Maria Krane.
I think it would be fair to say that the sun did not set on the database
project as efforts were combined >from volunteers in the USA, Australia,
Israel, Europe, the United Kingdom and South Africa.

The launch would not be complete without a special mention for the efforts of
Arlene Beare, the President of the Latvia SIG UK, the creator of the Riga
Shtetlinks Resources page and the Moderator of the All Lavtvia News Group.
She masterminded the work that went on behind the scenes to bring us all the
wonderful Riga Lists including the major databases, the Riga Tax
Administration records and the Riga Police records. These are priceless
resources most generously donated on behalf of the Latvia SIG to the database
effort. This contribution will benefit not only those who presently seek
their Jewish heritage but those who will search in generations to come. Her
energy, determination and complete commitment to the cause of Jewish family
history are known to all who work with her.

I would also like to thank Mike Getz, the past President of the Latvia SIG,
who has given this project a wise and guiding hand over the past months. His
knowledge and experience plus the many friendships he has built up over the
years in Latvia have greatly benefited this project.

My personal thanks to the members of the Courland Research Steering
Committee, Dr. Paul Berkay, Dr. Martha Levinson Lev-Zion and Dr. Abraham
Lenhoff who have been involved in virtually every step of the various
projects. It has been the best possible team effort and also huge fun.

I leave the final thank you for our webmasters Michael Tobias and Warren
Blatt. When I learned that we had been offered their services by JewishGen
it was like winning the genealogical lottery twice. I am still in awe of
what they do. That they do it with such unfailing patience and good humour
is part of the magic.
Many, many thanks to all of you. Now come and join us and be part of the team
Constance Whippman [e-mailing >from London]
contact me at kurland@jewishgen.org
Co-Ordinator, All Latvia Database


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania All Latvia Database-Enjoy! #lithuania

MWhippman@...
 

We are delighted to announce the arrival of the new All Latvian Database
which is now on line and fully searchable at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Latvia/
This is a multiple database search facility which incorporates records >from
Voters Lists, family lists, conscription lists, and tax and administration
lists. The combined databases have nearly 25,000 entries, referring to
approximately 40,000 named individuals living in the area now known as
Latvia. The database is a work in progress and new entries are being added
regularly.

First, many thanks to our friends in Latvia including Professor Ruvin Ferber
and Professor Aigars Stranga at the Centre for Judaic Studies in Riga, part
of the University of Latvia. We owe an immense debt of gratitude to the
Archivists at the Riga State Historical Archives for advice and support for
this project. Dr. Tatjana Aleksejeva, Riga, has helped us to identify and
obtain important material >from printed sources. The contribution of Dr.
Peter Woerster of the Herder Institute is also much valued. We are also
grateful to the Jewish community of Dvinsk who has shared its memories and
family information with Mike Getz and the Latvia SIG in hopes that the
memories of the Jewish Familles of Latgale would be preserved.

Our volunteers have been unfailingly cheerful and generous with their time
and skills. A big thank you to Kathy Wolfson, Stanislav Gorbulev, Charles
Nam, Iris Sitkin, Max Michaelson, Robert Heyman, Felix Rabbinovich, Jeremy
Hodes, Malcolm Singer, Carmen Wiseman, Lorraine Bertelson and Maria Krane.
I think it would be fair to say that the sun did not set on the database
project as efforts were combined >from volunteers in the USA, Australia,
Israel, Europe, the United Kingdom and South Africa.

The launch would not be complete without a special mention for the efforts of
Arlene Beare, the President of the Latvia SIG UK, the creator of the Riga
Shtetlinks Resources page and the Moderator of the All Lavtvia News Group.
She masterminded the work that went on behind the scenes to bring us all the
wonderful Riga Lists including the major databases, the Riga Tax
Administration records and the Riga Police records. These are priceless
resources most generously donated on behalf of the Latvia SIG to the database
effort. This contribution will benefit not only those who presently seek
their Jewish heritage but those who will search in generations to come. Her
energy, determination and complete commitment to the cause of Jewish family
history are known to all who work with her.

I would also like to thank Mike Getz, the past President of the Latvia SIG,
who has given this project a wise and guiding hand over the past months. His
knowledge and experience plus the many friendships he has built up over the
years in Latvia have greatly benefited this project.

My personal thanks to the members of the Courland Research Steering
Committee, Dr. Paul Berkay, Dr. Martha Levinson Lev-Zion and Dr. Abraham
Lenhoff who have been involved in virtually every step of the various
projects. It has been the best possible team effort and also huge fun.

I leave the final thank you for our webmasters Michael Tobias and Warren
Blatt. When I learned that we had been offered their services by JewishGen
it was like winning the genealogical lottery twice. I am still in awe of
what they do. That they do it with such unfailing patience and good humour
is part of the magic.
Many, many thanks to all of you. Now come and join us and be part of the team
Constance Whippman [e-mailing >from London]
contact me at kurland@jewishgen.org
Co-Ordinator, All Latvia Database


Hamburg Pax List Lookup #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Is there any one working in the Hamburg lists who can help me by doing a
looking up?

I have the people's names, the ship's name and the date of arrival in the
USA and I am curious to see the Hamburg lists to see if they have anymore
information, specifically on the place of birth of these people.

Please contact me privately if you could do this search for me.

Thanks.

Allan Jordan


Researching a Rabbinic Line #general

Bkhait@...
 

I would like to hear >from anyone who is researching a rabbinic line for
possible inclusion in a publication I'm writing. Acknowledgments and any
photo credit will be given. Please contact me privately at bkhait@aol.com

Barbara Khait
bkhait@aol.com
Somerset, NJ