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FRIEDMAN, HOFFMAN, KORLAND, KROMHOLZ, LENETT, SCHIFF, THURLIN, ZEIDELMAN
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If anyone has information about the following people, please e-mail me
directly at: ctf-vif@mindspring.com Barnett David FRIEDMAN m. Sarah THURLIN (FRIEDMAN). They had at least four children: Hirsch FRIEDMAN (b. 5 OCT 1892, d. NOV 1986) Rose FRIEDMAN (SCHIFF) Lena FRIEDMAN (KURLAND) Nettie FRIEDMAN (LENETT). Hirsch FRIEDMAN, my grandfather, was possibly born in Kiev, but I know that he was in the United States by 1903 as he was attending a school for the deaf here by then. Hirsch FRIEDMAN was married three times: First to Fannie KROMHOLZ (FRIEDMAN) who died in childbirth 2 MAR 1923. Second to Lottie HOFFMAN (FRIEDMAN) who died on 7 MAY 1939. Third, on 6 SEP 1942, to Anna "Annie" ZEIDELMAN (FRIEDMAN) who died 7 JUL 1971.--They had one child, my father, who is still living. I also have several other names that I don't know how they go together yet. Thank you for any assistance you may be able to provide. Vicki Ina Friedman
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FRIEDMAN, HOFFMAN, KORLAND, KROMHOLZ, LENETT, SCHIFF, THURLIN, ZEIDELMAN
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ctf-vif@...
If anyone has information about the following people, please e-mail me
directly at: ctf-vif@mindspring.com Barnett David FRIEDMAN m. Sarah THURLIN (FRIEDMAN). They had at least four children: Hirsch FRIEDMAN (b. 5 OCT 1892, d. NOV 1986) Rose FRIEDMAN (SCHIFF) Lena FRIEDMAN (KURLAND) Nettie FRIEDMAN (LENETT). Hirsch FRIEDMAN, my grandfather, was possibly born in Kiev, but I know that he was in the United States by 1903 as he was attending a school for the deaf here by then. Hirsch FRIEDMAN was married three times: First to Fannie KROMHOLZ (FRIEDMAN) who died in childbirth 2 MAR 1923. Second to Lottie HOFFMAN (FRIEDMAN) who died on 7 MAY 1939. Third, on 6 SEP 1942, to Anna "Annie" ZEIDELMAN (FRIEDMAN) who died 7 JUL 1971.--They had one child, my father, who is still living. I also have several other names that I don't know how they go together yet. Thank you for any assistance you may be able to provide. Vicki Ina Friedman
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Different names for same town?
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Kirsten Gradel <kmgradel@...>
Summer 1999, before going to Poland for 2 weeks, we got a good road map
of Poland >from the Polish tourist office. Just returned >from a visit to Berlin where I bought a Poland Euro Atlas with 87 very, very detailed pages. Now, though, I seem to have a problem: One town, in which I am interested, has different names on these two *recent* acquisitions. On the 1999 road map it's named Wladyslawow (52 06 / 18 29), but in the Euro Atlas it's named Russocice. Thanks to Stanley Diamond I know these names are for the same town, but thought they had been applied at different times in Poland's history. Now it seems both of these names are still in use. As I am indexing LDS films >from a small town near Lublin I thought the Euro Atlas could help with locating and proper spelling of difficult-to-read town names in the marriage records, but if many towns still go by two or more names my problems with the town names are not over. Question: Obviously, what I need, is WOWW, but it's out of print. Is there any other gazetteer that could "step in" and help with all those different names of Polish towns? Kirsten Gradel Denmark
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Different names for same town?
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Kirsten Gradel <kmgradel@...>
Summer 1999, before going to Poland for 2 weeks, we got a good road map
of Poland >from the Polish tourist office. Just returned >from a visit to Berlin where I bought a Poland Euro Atlas with 87 very, very detailed pages. Now, though, I seem to have a problem: One town, in which I am interested, has different names on these two *recent* acquisitions. On the 1999 road map it's named Wladyslawow (52 06 / 18 29), but in the Euro Atlas it's named Russocice. Thanks to Stanley Diamond I know these names are for the same town, but thought they had been applied at different times in Poland's history. Now it seems both of these names are still in use. As I am indexing LDS films >from a small town near Lublin I thought the Euro Atlas could help with locating and proper spelling of difficult-to-read town names in the marriage records, but if many towns still go by two or more names my problems with the town names are not over. Question: Obviously, what I need, is WOWW, but it's out of print. Is there any other gazetteer that could "step in" and help with all those different names of Polish towns? Kirsten Gradel Denmark
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Re: "Looking for information on 1919 Slovechno Pogrom"
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NFatouros@...
In her message of 10-18-00, Cindy Gallard sought information about a
pogrom that occurred in 1919 in Slovechno. John D. Klier and Shlomo Lambroza, Eds., "Pogroms: Anti-Jewish Violence in modern Russian History, Cambridge University Press, contains a chapter by Peter Kenez entitled "Pogroms and White Ideology in the Russian Civil War." It discusses the perpetrators and background of the pogroms, but it doesn't mention Solovechno. Kenez notes that there are some documents by a N.I. Shtif in "Pogromy na Ukraine, " and he refers to several other sources for his article, but I doubt that those contain specific information, such as a list of the victims of any village. I also looked for Solechno in the index of Henry Abramson's "A Prayer for the Government: Ukrainians and Jews in Revolutionary Times, 1917-1918," Harvard University Press, 1999, but didn't find an entry or mention of the town. >from a letter I found written in 1922 by a nephew of my grandfather I learned that the nephew's brother was killed by the troups of Denikin, but I don't expect to find a victims list in which the name of Alexander BELKOVSKY appears, nor do I even know just where Sascha was slain. although I imagine it was in or near Kiev or Berdichev. Some newspapers in the Ukraine and Russia did publish articles about the pogroms but again, it is not likely that they contained the articles included names of victims, unless, perhaps, the victim or victims were members of a prominent family. I share Ms. Gallard's frustration! Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN) Bloomington, Indiana NFatouros@aol.com Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Looking for information on 1919 Slovechno Pogrom"
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NFatouros@...
In her message of 10-18-00, Cindy Gallard sought information about a
pogrom that occurred in 1919 in Slovechno. John D. Klier and Shlomo Lambroza, Eds., "Pogroms: Anti-Jewish Violence in modern Russian History, Cambridge University Press, contains a chapter by Peter Kenez entitled "Pogroms and White Ideology in the Russian Civil War." It discusses the perpetrators and background of the pogroms, but it doesn't mention Solovechno. Kenez notes that there are some documents by a N.I. Shtif in "Pogromy na Ukraine, " and he refers to several other sources for his article, but I doubt that those contain specific information, such as a list of the victims of any village. I also looked for Solechno in the index of Henry Abramson's "A Prayer for the Government: Ukrainians and Jews in Revolutionary Times, 1917-1918," Harvard University Press, 1999, but didn't find an entry or mention of the town. >from a letter I found written in 1922 by a nephew of my grandfather I learned that the nephew's brother was killed by the troups of Denikin, but I don't expect to find a victims list in which the name of Alexander BELKOVSKY appears, nor do I even know just where Sascha was slain. although I imagine it was in or near Kiev or Berdichev. Some newspapers in the Ukraine and Russia did publish articles about the pogroms but again, it is not likely that they contained the articles included names of victims, unless, perhaps, the victim or victims were members of a prominent family. I share Ms. Gallard's frustration! Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN) Bloomington, Indiana NFatouros@aol.com Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse.
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Re: Rovna Poland or Russia
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Steven Schwartz <SSchwartz@...>
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From: George Heister <heister@eticomm.net> To: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org> Date: Thursday, October 19, 2000 2:50 AM Subject: Rovna Poland or Russia George, as I understand it, Rovna was part of Russia up to the time of the Russian Revolution. After World War I, Rovna was administered by Poland. My grandparents, Zus (Samuel) NARODETSKY and Golda HENDELBERG NARODETSKY lived in Rovna until 1921, when they came to America on a Polish passport. Steve Schwartz, Dover, Delaware USA SSchwartz@EZOL.com Also searching: HAUPTMAN, of Drohobych in Eastern Galicia, now Western Ukraine KIMELHEIM, of Drohobych (Galicia / now Ukraine) and >from Budapest,Hungary NARODETSKY, of Rovno in old Volhynia District, Ukraine (and >from Kiev). HENDELBERG or HANDELBERG, of Annopol (near Rovno) in old Volhynia District, Ukraine.FISCHER, of Budapest (or Grosbedan or Yanashee),Hungary. SCHWARTZ, of Vienna, Austria; Nagy Totfalu and Mateszalka, Hungary.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Rovna Poland or Russia
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Steven Schwartz <SSchwartz@...>
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From: George Heister <heister@eticomm.net> To: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org> Date: Thursday, October 19, 2000 2:50 AM Subject: Rovna Poland or Russia George, as I understand it, Rovna was part of Russia up to the time of the Russian Revolution. After World War I, Rovna was administered by Poland. My grandparents, Zus (Samuel) NARODETSKY and Golda HENDELBERG NARODETSKY lived in Rovna until 1921, when they came to America on a Polish passport. Steve Schwartz, Dover, Delaware USA SSchwartz@EZOL.com Also searching: HAUPTMAN, of Drohobych in Eastern Galicia, now Western Ukraine KIMELHEIM, of Drohobych (Galicia / now Ukraine) and >from Budapest,Hungary NARODETSKY, of Rovno in old Volhynia District, Ukraine (and >from Kiev). HENDELBERG or HANDELBERG, of Annopol (near Rovno) in old Volhynia District, Ukraine.FISCHER, of Budapest (or Grosbedan or Yanashee),Hungary. SCHWARTZ, of Vienna, Austria; Nagy Totfalu and Mateszalka, Hungary.
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Looking for BENOLIEL (Gibraltar)
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Daniel Teichman <106607.620@...>
According to their K'tubah, the marriage between Schlomo, son of Jehuda, son
of Schlomo, son of Jehuda BENOLIEL and Judith, daughter of Avraham, son of Schlomo, son of Jehuda BENOLIEL took place in 1822 in Gibraltar. Who can give any information about these families? Daniel Teichman Zurich, Switzerland e-mail: Daniel.Teichman@vsao.ch MODERATOR NOTE: Go to http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff You will find eight others searching for the same surname >from that general area. Enter your surnames so others may find you. This is one of our most heavily visited sites. Also check out the Sefard Forum at http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/SefardForum.htm
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for BENOLIEL (Gibraltar)
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Daniel Teichman <106607.620@...>
According to their K'tubah, the marriage between Schlomo, son of Jehuda, son
of Schlomo, son of Jehuda BENOLIEL and Judith, daughter of Avraham, son of Schlomo, son of Jehuda BENOLIEL took place in 1822 in Gibraltar. Who can give any information about these families? Daniel Teichman Zurich, Switzerland e-mail: Daniel.Teichman@vsao.ch MODERATOR NOTE: Go to http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff You will find eight others searching for the same surname >from that general area. Enter your surnames so others may find you. This is one of our most heavily visited sites. Also check out the Sefard Forum at http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/SefardForum.htm
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Looking for DA ASCOLI and AZIZ (Ancona, Italy)
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Daniel Teichman <106607.620@...>
According to their K'tubah, the marriage between Schabtai Schmuel, son of
Jizchak DA ASCOLI and Diamante, daughter of Israel AZIZ, took place on December 10th, 1788, in Ancona (Italy). Who can give any information about these two families? Daniel Teichman Zurich, Switzerland e-mail: Daniel.Teichman@vsao.ch
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for DA ASCOLI and AZIZ (Ancona, Italy)
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Daniel Teichman <106607.620@...>
According to their K'tubah, the marriage between Schabtai Schmuel, son of
Jizchak DA ASCOLI and Diamante, daughter of Israel AZIZ, took place on December 10th, 1788, in Ancona (Italy). Who can give any information about these two families? Daniel Teichman Zurich, Switzerland e-mail: Daniel.Teichman@vsao.ch
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Looking for FANGOLI (Ancona, Italy)
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Daniel Teichman <106607.620@...>
According to their K'tubah, the marriage between Jechiel Schabtai, son of
Joseph Chai haKohen and Diamante, daughter of Mosche Jakov FANGOLI, took place on March 13th, 1783, in Ancona (Italy). Who can give any information about these two families? Daniel Teichman Zurich, Switzerland e-mail: Daniel.Teichman@vsao.ch
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for FANGOLI (Ancona, Italy)
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Daniel Teichman <106607.620@...>
According to their K'tubah, the marriage between Jechiel Schabtai, son of
Joseph Chai haKohen and Diamante, daughter of Mosche Jakov FANGOLI, took place on March 13th, 1783, in Ancona (Italy). Who can give any information about these two families? Daniel Teichman Zurich, Switzerland e-mail: Daniel.Teichman@vsao.ch
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Looking for AL COSTANTIN and DA MONDOLFO (Ancona, Italy)
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Daniel Teichman <106607.620@...>
According to their K'tubah, the marriage between Jizchak, son of Avraham AL
COSTANTIN and Regina, daughter of Josef Chai DA MONDOLFO, took place on September 19th, 1697, in Ancona (Italy). Who can give any information about these two families? Daniel Teichman Zurich, Switzerland e-mail: Daniel.Teichman@vsao.ch
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for AL COSTANTIN and DA MONDOLFO (Ancona, Italy)
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Daniel Teichman <106607.620@...>
According to their K'tubah, the marriage between Jizchak, son of Avraham AL
COSTANTIN and Regina, daughter of Josef Chai DA MONDOLFO, took place on September 19th, 1697, in Ancona (Italy). Who can give any information about these two families? Daniel Teichman Zurich, Switzerland e-mail: Daniel.Teichman@vsao.ch
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Re: A Problem with Dates
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Hilary Henkin <propper@...>
I'm sure you'll get many responses on this one < g >.
Go with the naturalization papers for accuracy, compared to the census. The census was completed by a census taker going house-to-house. The person who provided the information on your family could've been a neighbor or relative instead of the person. Generally, go with "primary souces" first, because they have information provided directly by the person. "Secondary sources" contain information provided by someone *about* that person. So SS-5s are great, because they were completed by the person themselves. Ditto for marriage certificates, birth certificates, naturalization papers, etc. Death certificates and census are less reliable, because the information was/could've-been provided by someone other than the subject. Of course, primary sources are no guarantee of accuracy either. I have the naturalization papers for both a husband and wife, around 1935-1940. They don't agree on the birth dates of their own children in 1919 and 1927! Ah, well.... Good luck! Hilary Henkin Atlanta, Georgia
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: A Problem with Dates
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Hilary Henkin <propper@...>
I'm sure you'll get many responses on this one < g >.
Go with the naturalization papers for accuracy, compared to the census. The census was completed by a census taker going house-to-house. The person who provided the information on your family could've been a neighbor or relative instead of the person. Generally, go with "primary souces" first, because they have information provided directly by the person. "Secondary sources" contain information provided by someone *about* that person. So SS-5s are great, because they were completed by the person themselves. Ditto for marriage certificates, birth certificates, naturalization papers, etc. Death certificates and census are less reliable, because the information was/could've-been provided by someone other than the subject. Of course, primary sources are no guarantee of accuracy either. I have the naturalization papers for both a husband and wife, around 1935-1940. They don't agree on the birth dates of their own children in 1919 and 1927! Ah, well.... Good luck! Hilary Henkin Atlanta, Georgia
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converting this date
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Harriett Baker Quinn <hquinn@...>
Hello, My ggf tombstone refers to the date: Shvat 3, 5668. Could someone
convert this date for me? His tombstone in Lawrence MA, also lists his father's name in Hebrew and was translated for me. Is this common practice? I am very excited about this find as no family member had this information. Thanks in advance. Harriett Baker Quinn, Whitefish, MT Researching: BAKER, BECKER, PEKER, GREENBERG, FEINSTEIN, VEISBLACK MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen provides a calendar conversion. You'll find it at the following URL http://www.jewishgen.org/jos/
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen converting this date
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Harriett Baker Quinn <hquinn@...>
Hello, My ggf tombstone refers to the date: Shvat 3, 5668. Could someone
convert this date for me? His tombstone in Lawrence MA, also lists his father's name in Hebrew and was translated for me. Is this common practice? I am very excited about this find as no family member had this information. Thanks in advance. Harriett Baker Quinn, Whitefish, MT Researching: BAKER, BECKER, PEKER, GREENBERG, FEINSTEIN, VEISBLACK MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen provides a calendar conversion. You'll find it at the following URL http://www.jewishgen.org/jos/
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