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Next Rendez-vous for French genealogy #general

Lifshitz-Krams Anne
 

You can meet us :
in Paris:
- Monthly Lecture
Monday, december 4, 6:30 pm
Alliance Israelite Universelle
45 rue La Bruyère
Paris, 9e
Meet Sabine Franel, about her film "Le premier du nom" (The first one who
adopted this name)

- November 23, 6 pm
CGJ, 14, rue St Lazare, Paris 9e
SIG Eastern Europe (Stephane Toublanc)

- Thursday, December 7
meet us (as every first thursday)
at the Musee d'Art et d'Histoire du Judaïsme
71, rue du Temple, Paris 3e

- Twice a the month, on tuesday afternoon
Bibliotheque Genealogique
3 rue de Turbigo, Paris, 1e
Hebrew Paleography workshop (Eliane Roos Schuhl)

in Marcq en Baroeul (59700)
A new meeting point in the North of France is now opened.
Jacques Oudin will be responsible for it.
Ask the CGJ if you want to contact him

in Meta
- Sunday, November 26, 10:30 am
Lecture, Centre Communautaire
Claudie Blamont : ">from the Ghetto in Metz to Chambiere cemetery : the
lives of a countess and a marchioness in Paris"

in Nice
Every first thursday, 3-5 pm
in FSJU, 6 rue d'Angleterre

in Marseille
Once a month in Centre Edmond Fleg (Daniele Fareau)

Ask cgjgenefr@aol.com for more details or if you want the text of the
conferences.

Anne Lifshitz-Krams
Cercle de Genealogie Juive
Paris (France)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Next Rendez-vous for French genealogy #general

Lifshitz-Krams Anne
 

You can meet us :
in Paris:
- Monthly Lecture
Monday, december 4, 6:30 pm
Alliance Israelite Universelle
45 rue La Bruyère
Paris, 9e
Meet Sabine Franel, about her film "Le premier du nom" (The first one who
adopted this name)

- November 23, 6 pm
CGJ, 14, rue St Lazare, Paris 9e
SIG Eastern Europe (Stephane Toublanc)

- Thursday, December 7
meet us (as every first thursday)
at the Musee d'Art et d'Histoire du Judaïsme
71, rue du Temple, Paris 3e

- Twice a the month, on tuesday afternoon
Bibliotheque Genealogique
3 rue de Turbigo, Paris, 1e
Hebrew Paleography workshop (Eliane Roos Schuhl)

in Marcq en Baroeul (59700)
A new meeting point in the North of France is now opened.
Jacques Oudin will be responsible for it.
Ask the CGJ if you want to contact him

in Meta
- Sunday, November 26, 10:30 am
Lecture, Centre Communautaire
Claudie Blamont : ">from the Ghetto in Metz to Chambiere cemetery : the
lives of a countess and a marchioness in Paris"

in Nice
Every first thursday, 3-5 pm
in FSJU, 6 rue d'Angleterre

in Marseille
Once a month in Centre Edmond Fleg (Daniele Fareau)

Ask cgjgenefr@aol.com for more details or if you want the text of the
conferences.

Anne Lifshitz-Krams
Cercle de Genealogie Juive
Paris (France)


Meeting Announcement - IGS- Negev Israel #general

Shirley Rosen <shirli@...>
 

Israel Genealogical Society - Negev Branch

Our regular meeting of IGS-Negev branch for next month will take place:
Date: Wednesday, Dec. 6, 2000

Time: 20:00 (Library open >from 7:30)

Place: Kehilat Magen Avraham
Corner of Rehov Ad-Ad and Rehov Margalit
Omer

Our speaker will be GALI MINDEL, an experienced genealogist and member of
our local group, who will discuss gathering information within the family,
gathering loose ends,encountering and countermanding brick walls, internet
cousins, and if time permits, will discuss the use of the Freedom of
Information Law 1998 for genealogy research in Israel.

posted by:
Shirley Rosen
Beer Sheva, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Meeting Announcement - IGS- Negev Israel #general

Shirley Rosen <shirli@...>
 

Israel Genealogical Society - Negev Branch

Our regular meeting of IGS-Negev branch for next month will take place:
Date: Wednesday, Dec. 6, 2000

Time: 20:00 (Library open >from 7:30)

Place: Kehilat Magen Avraham
Corner of Rehov Ad-Ad and Rehov Margalit
Omer

Our speaker will be GALI MINDEL, an experienced genealogist and member of
our local group, who will discuss gathering information within the family,
gathering loose ends,encountering and countermanding brick walls, internet
cousins, and if time permits, will discuss the use of the Freedom of
Information Law 1998 for genealogy research in Israel.

posted by:
Shirley Rosen
Beer Sheva, Israel


Re: Etymology #general

Brandler Institute of Chasidic Thought <bict@...>
 

Ury Link and others have correctly pointed out that I miswrote when I
boldly asserted that "Feivush" was never ever called "Phoebus" - and I
stand corrected.
I did not know that there is actual examples of a Feivush Phoebus in the
1600's and possibly as late as the 1700's. I am grateful Ury and others
pointing it out to me.
Nonetheless, at the risk of sounding stubborn, I think that those of us
researching more recent ancestors in the 1800's and 1900's should recognize
that it is extremely unlikely (I now rightfully far the word never) finding
a Feivush using the name Phoebus.
Regarding Mr. Link's referance to Shprintza - my point was not the origin
of the name but rather if there was anyone (at least in the past 200 years)
named Esperantsa Shprintsa. Somehoe I still doubt it.

Mr. Link is one hundred percent correct that in such circumstances one
should never say never, it was somehow the image of the many Feivushe's
that I have interviewed, or whose lives I have spent so many months
researching, and the certain knowledge of the deep seated aversion that
these Chasidic men would have to being lumped together with a Greek and
Hellenistic sounding name like Phoebus that caused me to respond like I
did. Perhaps had they been told that according to Encycolpedia Judaica the
father of the Beis Shmuel was also called Phoebus - they would not have
minded either. As I have pointed out in private responses - I am sure that
there were many wondeful Jews named Phoebus and many a wondeful Jewess
named Esperantsa - my point is only whether they were also known as Feivush
and Shprintsa.

Abraham J.Heschel
Brooklyn NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Etymology #general

Brandler Institute of Chasidic Thought <bict@...>
 

Ury Link and others have correctly pointed out that I miswrote when I
boldly asserted that "Feivush" was never ever called "Phoebus" - and I
stand corrected.
I did not know that there is actual examples of a Feivush Phoebus in the
1600's and possibly as late as the 1700's. I am grateful Ury and others
pointing it out to me.
Nonetheless, at the risk of sounding stubborn, I think that those of us
researching more recent ancestors in the 1800's and 1900's should recognize
that it is extremely unlikely (I now rightfully far the word never) finding
a Feivush using the name Phoebus.
Regarding Mr. Link's referance to Shprintza - my point was not the origin
of the name but rather if there was anyone (at least in the past 200 years)
named Esperantsa Shprintsa. Somehoe I still doubt it.

Mr. Link is one hundred percent correct that in such circumstances one
should never say never, it was somehow the image of the many Feivushe's
that I have interviewed, or whose lives I have spent so many months
researching, and the certain knowledge of the deep seated aversion that
these Chasidic men would have to being lumped together with a Greek and
Hellenistic sounding name like Phoebus that caused me to respond like I
did. Perhaps had they been told that according to Encycolpedia Judaica the
father of the Beis Shmuel was also called Phoebus - they would not have
minded either. As I have pointed out in private responses - I am sure that
there were many wondeful Jews named Phoebus and many a wondeful Jewess
named Esperantsa - my point is only whether they were also known as Feivush
and Shprintsa.

Abraham J.Heschel
Brooklyn NY


Need help with translation #general

Barbara <bdimunno@...>
 

Sorry, forgot to include file # VM098

I just posted my ancestor's signature at http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/
This signature appeared on a land deed in Augusta Co., VA October 1781.

Can anyone tell me if this is 'Old Hebrew' handwriting and translate? Many
thanks.
Barbara DiMunno


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need help with translation #general

Barbara <bdimunno@...>
 

Sorry, forgot to include file # VM098

I just posted my ancestor's signature at http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/
This signature appeared on a land deed in Augusta Co., VA October 1781.

Can anyone tell me if this is 'Old Hebrew' handwriting and translate? Many
thanks.
Barbara DiMunno


Etymology #general

Ury Link <uryl@...>
 

Dear Genners,
In his letter to the Jewishgen wrote Mr Abraham Heschel:

However a "Shprintsa" was never ever
called "Esperantsa" and "Feivush" was never ever called "Phoebus".>>

How you can use the term "Never ever" in a letter,it mean that you are sure
that the combination of the name Feivush and Phoebus never existed. I must
to disappointed you In the book "Shemot Hazadikim" (Names of the Zadikim)
,based on the revelation by the great Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, complied
and published in 1819 by Rabbi Nathan of Breslov on page 469 I find the
next name: Shemuel ben Rabbi Uri Shraga Feivush,the author of the well
known commentary on the "Shulchan Aruch" the "Beit Shemuel". In the
Encyclopaedia Judaica the same name is :Shemuel ben Rabbi Shraga Phoebus,
in the "Beit Shemuel" is also written the name Phoebus. Another example is
Rabbi Uri Feivush ben Rabbi Yosvil >from Amsterdam that is also know as Uri
Phoebus. another sample is Uri Sheraga Phoebus (c. 1640-1707) headed a
yeshivah in Prague. In some books he is know as Uri Feivush. I can give
more samples but I thing that it is enough. With the names Esperantsa and
Sprintsa I look in the book "Namen der Juden" by Zunz,Leipzig 1837 on page
73 and this great Jewish Scholar write that: Shprintsa is a diminution of
Esperanza . This given name Esperanza is derived >from the the Latin word
Sperare what mean "hope". The name come to North France and Germany through
the Provance in the middle ages. >from Esperanza we get also the names
Shprinzel (In the book "Beit Shemuel") and Shfrinza. In Frankfurt Am Main
in Germany in 1354 on a gravestone is finding the name Shpriniz and also
was the name Esperanza in use in Germany in the same time, my source is
"Alten Frankfurter Friedhof" by Dr M.Horovitz,Frankfurt 1901.In France is
the name Esperance and in Italien Speranza.
my conclusion is, pleas don't use the term "Never Ever" .I respect every
letter to the Jewishgen and I respect also every meaning and I learned a
lot >from letters and also >from Etymologys of names that friends of
Jewishgen are published in the Jewishgen.
Thanks and Best regards
Ury Link
Amsterdam
Holland


Need help with translation #general

Barbara <bdimunno@...>
 

I just posted my ancestor's signature at http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/
This signature appeared on a land deed in Augusta Co., VA October 1781.

Can anyone tell me if this is 'Old Hebrew' handwriting and translate? Many
thanks.
Barbara DiMunno


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Etymology #general

Ury Link <uryl@...>
 

Dear Genners,
In his letter to the Jewishgen wrote Mr Abraham Heschel:

However a "Shprintsa" was never ever
called "Esperantsa" and "Feivush" was never ever called "Phoebus".>>

How you can use the term "Never ever" in a letter,it mean that you are sure
that the combination of the name Feivush and Phoebus never existed. I must
to disappointed you In the book "Shemot Hazadikim" (Names of the Zadikim)
,based on the revelation by the great Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, complied
and published in 1819 by Rabbi Nathan of Breslov on page 469 I find the
next name: Shemuel ben Rabbi Uri Shraga Feivush,the author of the well
known commentary on the "Shulchan Aruch" the "Beit Shemuel". In the
Encyclopaedia Judaica the same name is :Shemuel ben Rabbi Shraga Phoebus,
in the "Beit Shemuel" is also written the name Phoebus. Another example is
Rabbi Uri Feivush ben Rabbi Yosvil >from Amsterdam that is also know as Uri
Phoebus. another sample is Uri Sheraga Phoebus (c. 1640-1707) headed a
yeshivah in Prague. In some books he is know as Uri Feivush. I can give
more samples but I thing that it is enough. With the names Esperantsa and
Sprintsa I look in the book "Namen der Juden" by Zunz,Leipzig 1837 on page
73 and this great Jewish Scholar write that: Shprintsa is a diminution of
Esperanza . This given name Esperanza is derived >from the the Latin word
Sperare what mean "hope". The name come to North France and Germany through
the Provance in the middle ages. >from Esperanza we get also the names
Shprinzel (In the book "Beit Shemuel") and Shfrinza. In Frankfurt Am Main
in Germany in 1354 on a gravestone is finding the name Shpriniz and also
was the name Esperanza in use in Germany in the same time, my source is
"Alten Frankfurter Friedhof" by Dr M.Horovitz,Frankfurt 1901.In France is
the name Esperance and in Italien Speranza.
my conclusion is, pleas don't use the term "Never Ever" .I respect every
letter to the Jewishgen and I respect also every meaning and I learned a
lot >from letters and also >from Etymologys of names that friends of
Jewishgen are published in the Jewishgen.
Thanks and Best regards
Ury Link
Amsterdam
Holland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need help with translation #general

Barbara <bdimunno@...>
 

I just posted my ancestor's signature at http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/
This signature appeared on a land deed in Augusta Co., VA October 1781.

Can anyone tell me if this is 'Old Hebrew' handwriting and translate? Many
thanks.
Barbara DiMunno


EISENBERG in Florida? #general

Eve Clyne <Eclyne@...>
 

We have family in Florida
they are the relations of Florence and Sam Eisenberg.(spelling?)

They were in touch with my aunt (who has died) so we do not have a contact
address.
Florence was the daughter of my great uncle Louis Kwartz (Kwacz) they went
to the USA >from England.
I think it was the grandson who came to England and contacted my father
(many years ago) and it was his sister who wrote to them
i belive they had children called Susan and David?
many thanks
Eve Clyne
eclyne@tesco.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen EISENBERG in Florida? #general

Eve Clyne <Eclyne@...>
 

We have family in Florida
they are the relations of Florence and Sam Eisenberg.(spelling?)

They were in touch with my aunt (who has died) so we do not have a contact
address.
Florence was the daughter of my great uncle Louis Kwartz (Kwacz) they went
to the USA >from England.
I think it was the grandson who came to England and contacted my father
(many years ago) and it was his sister who wrote to them
i belive they had children called Susan and David?
many thanks
Eve Clyne
eclyne@tesco.net


ViewMate - help needed - identifying a medal iven to my ancestor #general

Jacob <jacob@...>
 

My file is up on ViewMate!
My ancestor, Tzvi Frenkel, was given a medal >from Czar Nicolai II.
According to the family stories, the Frenkel fammily spent quite a bit of
time in the Czar's palace.
I would like your help identifying the medal given to Tzvi FRenkel and
maybe, through your answers, find out why, and weather, the families were
close.
I would like to take this opportunity and thank Bernard Kouchel, Josef Herz
(and anyone else I might have missed involved in the ViewMate project) for
this wonderful service, and JewishGen in general.
Thank you in advance,

Shavit Ben - Arie, Israel


ViewMate - medal identification - the address #general

Jacob <jacob@...>
 

Forgot to list the number of my picture and the address of the site.
The medal's photo number is VM097 and can be found at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview38.html#vm097
I'm sorry for the double e-mail.
Thank you again,
Shavit Ben - Arie


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate - help needed - identifying a medal iven to my ancestor #general

Jacob <jacob@...>
 

My file is up on ViewMate!
My ancestor, Tzvi Frenkel, was given a medal >from Czar Nicolai II.
According to the family stories, the Frenkel fammily spent quite a bit of
time in the Czar's palace.
I would like your help identifying the medal given to Tzvi FRenkel and
maybe, through your answers, find out why, and weather, the families were
close.
I would like to take this opportunity and thank Bernard Kouchel, Josef Herz
(and anyone else I might have missed involved in the ViewMate project) for
this wonderful service, and JewishGen in general.
Thank you in advance,

Shavit Ben - Arie, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate - medal identification - the address #general

Jacob <jacob@...>
 

Forgot to list the number of my picture and the address of the site.
The medal's photo number is VM097 and can be found at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview38.html#vm097
I'm sorry for the double e-mail.
Thank you again,
Shavit Ben - Arie


Daniel - Gedalia #general

Lancy
 

I was the one who mentioned one specific person, who was called Gedalia
Zimmerman in Europe. On arrival in the US, he changed his name to
Daniel, which was the name of one of his ancestors.
I didn't question the origins of the name, I just asked for help in
locating him or his descendants. I still do.
Thank you in advance.

Lancy Spalter
Kfar Tavor, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Daniel - Gedalia #general

Lancy
 

I was the one who mentioned one specific person, who was called Gedalia
Zimmerman in Europe. On arrival in the US, he changed his name to
Daniel, which was the name of one of his ancestors.
I didn't question the origins of the name, I just asked for help in
locating him or his descendants. I still do.
Thank you in advance.

Lancy Spalter
Kfar Tavor, Israel