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Re: Help - goldmine of info from Slovakia #hungary

moishe@langsam.com <moishe@...>
 

Hi,

Can you tell us specifically where you wrote to and how long the response
took? Did you write in English?

-Moishe Miller
moishe@langsam.com
NYC

www.langsam.com

At 12:50 PM 11/25/00 -0800, korman3 wrote:
I sent a request for information relating to my grandmother's youngest
brother, Markus Roth, born in 1915 in eastern Slovakia. He was drafted
into the Czech army, disappeared during the Shoah, and was said to have
been killed after the war trying to cross the border back into Slovakia.
We actually don't know what happened to him.

I received about 8 pages of documents (no charge!). Some, I believe, are
school records. But there is one entry, and a pararaph, that I would
love to have translated by one of you out there:

Konec r. 1942 byv. cet. asp. v. zal. - zemrel usmercen v
koncentracnim tabore v. Oswecime. Vynos MNO cj. 480-I/3.oddel. 1939
ze dne 12.1.49. /cj. 42 898/49/VSU.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Help - goldmine of info from Slovakia #hungary

moishe@langsam.com <moishe@...>
 

Hi,

Can you tell us specifically where you wrote to and how long the response
took? Did you write in English?

-Moishe Miller
moishe@langsam.com
NYC

www.langsam.com

At 12:50 PM 11/25/00 -0800, korman3 wrote:
I sent a request for information relating to my grandmother's youngest
brother, Markus Roth, born in 1915 in eastern Slovakia. He was drafted
into the Czech army, disappeared during the Shoah, and was said to have
been killed after the war trying to cross the border back into Slovakia.
We actually don't know what happened to him.

I received about 8 pages of documents (no charge!). Some, I believe, are
school records. But there is one entry, and a pararaph, that I would
love to have translated by one of you out there:

Konec r. 1942 byv. cet. asp. v. zal. - zemrel usmercen v
koncentracnim tabore v. Oswecime. Vynos MNO cj. 480-I/3.oddel. 1939
ze dne 12.1.49. /cj. 42 898/49/VSU.


Origin of First name:Mentain, in E Prussia #general

Udi Cain
 

Vernon Kronenberg vkronenb@pcug.org.au writes:
<< > An elderly colleague of mine has an ancestor Mentain/Mantayn
endelsohn
>
> Q1. I have searched the archives and find no mention of the first name
> Mentain. Can anybody provide any information about it. pls?

Ready for some convoluted name developments? Here goes
The common kinnuy for the Hebrew name Menachem is Mendel. The reason is
that in some parts of Germany and at certain times, the diminutive was
formed by adding "chen" to the name. In other parts and times the
diminutive was formed by adding "el" (or "lein," "le").

Menachem was incorrectly seen as a diminutive >from another location/era,
and "correcterd" by substituting "el" for "chem." And thus we get Mendel.
In the ancestry of both my grandfathers, Menacherm-Mendel was given the
name Emanuel for the German authorities. In southern Germany, where the
"d" and the "t" are pronounced alike, the Mendel often became Mentel or
Mantel. Later, that "too Jewish" name, Mendel/Mentel was frequently
polished up as a "German" name into Emanuel (actually a Hebrew name and
no connection with the original Menachem) perhaps on the assumption that
Mendel was really E)Manuel. Then it was further refined as Emil . . .

The fact that the family name appears to have been Mendelsohn ("Mendel's
son") adds credence to the likelihood that this name ran in his family

Michael Bernet, New York
Dear Michael.

I can't argue with you, your explanation makes sense.
I answered the way I did, because Vernon gave: Mentain, instead of Mantel,
and since my grandfather and few more of the family whose origin were from
that town, were called Martin (aside >from their Hebrew name, that in the
case of my grandfather was Yechiel), and Mentain made me think associatively
about that name, I thought that I might suggest that explanation.

Regards. Udi Cain.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Origin of First name:Mentain, in E Prussia #general

Udi Cain
 

Vernon Kronenberg vkronenb@pcug.org.au writes:
<< > An elderly colleague of mine has an ancestor Mentain/Mantayn
endelsohn
>
> Q1. I have searched the archives and find no mention of the first name
> Mentain. Can anybody provide any information about it. pls?

Ready for some convoluted name developments? Here goes
The common kinnuy for the Hebrew name Menachem is Mendel. The reason is
that in some parts of Germany and at certain times, the diminutive was
formed by adding "chen" to the name. In other parts and times the
diminutive was formed by adding "el" (or "lein," "le").

Menachem was incorrectly seen as a diminutive >from another location/era,
and "correcterd" by substituting "el" for "chem." And thus we get Mendel.
In the ancestry of both my grandfathers, Menacherm-Mendel was given the
name Emanuel for the German authorities. In southern Germany, where the
"d" and the "t" are pronounced alike, the Mendel often became Mentel or
Mantel. Later, that "too Jewish" name, Mendel/Mentel was frequently
polished up as a "German" name into Emanuel (actually a Hebrew name and
no connection with the original Menachem) perhaps on the assumption that
Mendel was really E)Manuel. Then it was further refined as Emil . . .

The fact that the family name appears to have been Mendelsohn ("Mendel's
son") adds credence to the likelihood that this name ran in his family

Michael Bernet, New York
Dear Michael.

I can't argue with you, your explanation makes sense.
I answered the way I did, because Vernon gave: Mentain, instead of Mantel,
and since my grandfather and few more of the family whose origin were from
that town, were called Martin (aside >from their Hebrew name, that in the
case of my grandfather was Yechiel), and Mentain made me think associatively
about that name, I thought that I might suggest that explanation.

Regards. Udi Cain.


Re: Occupation - 'spekulant' in Polish #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Basil,

In modern Polish "spekulant' have a negative connotation: this meant
gambler or profiteer. But at times of our (g) fathers this term also meant a
"venturer" or stock exchange broker/dealer. Another term: makler gieldowy
was also common. Nowadays term giel/dziarz (strock broker) is used.
By the way, Polish Gielda [handlowa] (probably >from German: Gelt) desribes
the Stock Exchange Market.

Alexander Sharon
mailto: a.sharon@home.com
Basil Samuels < basilindasamuels@compuserve.com > :


Can anyone tell me what occupation is meant by 'Spekulant' which appears
in a Polish birth certificate dated 1864 >from Zawichost. The father who
was 23 at the time has this occupation.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Occupation - 'spekulant' in Polish #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Basil,

In modern Polish "spekulant' have a negative connotation: this meant
gambler or profiteer. But at times of our (g) fathers this term also meant a
"venturer" or stock exchange broker/dealer. Another term: makler gieldowy
was also common. Nowadays term giel/dziarz (strock broker) is used.
By the way, Polish Gielda [handlowa] (probably >from German: Gelt) desribes
the Stock Exchange Market.

Alexander Sharon
mailto: a.sharon@home.com
Basil Samuels < basilindasamuels@compuserve.com > :


Can anyone tell me what occupation is meant by 'Spekulant' which appears
in a Polish birth certificate dated 1864 >from Zawichost. The father who
was 23 at the time has this occupation.


HARRIS - Baltimore #general

Allen Rabinowitz <allenrab@...>
 

Dear fellow Jewish genners,

I am seeking information on my HARRIS relatives, most of whom lived in
Baltimore at least between 1890 and 1900.

The children of Hirshel Leb HARRIS & Carrie were:

1. Henry HARRIS, b. c. 1862, occupation - tailor. Wife - Ada SCHAPIRO
2. Jacob HARRIS, b. c. 1860, occup - tailor. Married to Sara SCHAPIRO,
Ada's aunt. Jacob was the first to arrive in Baltimore.
3. Nathan ELLIS, b. c. 1864 ?, occup - tailor. Settled in Newburgh,
NY. Was a tailor for West Point. Had 5 daughters.

I descend >from Henry's family, but I'd like any info anyone may have on
Jacob HARRIS or Nathan ELLIS.

Jacob's children were as follows:
1. Ada m. Samuel KRULEVITCH. Lived in NY. 2 sons - Bertram, Alvin.
2. Annie m. David LEVY. Lived in DC. No children.
3. Lillie m. Sam LEVENSON. Lived in Baltimore. Sam was a furniture
maker. No children.
4. Becky m. a man >from Philadelphia in 1903 approximately. No other
info.
5. Another daughter m. EDLEWITCH. Lived in Baltimore. No other info.
6. Harry HARRIS m. Baltimore woman 1914 approximately. No other info.
7. Louis HARRIS - no info.

Please respond privately. Thank you.

Jan Harris Rabinowitz
Atlanta, GA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen HARRIS - Baltimore #general

Allen Rabinowitz <allenrab@...>
 

Dear fellow Jewish genners,

I am seeking information on my HARRIS relatives, most of whom lived in
Baltimore at least between 1890 and 1900.

The children of Hirshel Leb HARRIS & Carrie were:

1. Henry HARRIS, b. c. 1862, occupation - tailor. Wife - Ada SCHAPIRO
2. Jacob HARRIS, b. c. 1860, occup - tailor. Married to Sara SCHAPIRO,
Ada's aunt. Jacob was the first to arrive in Baltimore.
3. Nathan ELLIS, b. c. 1864 ?, occup - tailor. Settled in Newburgh,
NY. Was a tailor for West Point. Had 5 daughters.

I descend >from Henry's family, but I'd like any info anyone may have on
Jacob HARRIS or Nathan ELLIS.

Jacob's children were as follows:
1. Ada m. Samuel KRULEVITCH. Lived in NY. 2 sons - Bertram, Alvin.
2. Annie m. David LEVY. Lived in DC. No children.
3. Lillie m. Sam LEVENSON. Lived in Baltimore. Sam was a furniture
maker. No children.
4. Becky m. a man >from Philadelphia in 1903 approximately. No other
info.
5. Another daughter m. EDLEWITCH. Lived in Baltimore. No other info.
6. Harry HARRIS m. Baltimore woman 1914 approximately. No other info.
7. Louis HARRIS - no info.

Please respond privately. Thank you.

Jan Harris Rabinowitz
Atlanta, GA


Janice L.MacMillan : New E-Mail Address #general

Stewart MacMillan <guffin472@...>
 

I have changed servers and my new email address is:

j.l.macmillan@worldnet.att.net


Janice L.MacMillan
j.l.macmillanworldnet.att.net

( My former email address was guffin47@imcnet.net)

MODERATOR NOTE: Please remember to change your listing on the
Discussion Group subscription and the JGFF.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Janice L.MacMillan : New E-Mail Address #general

Stewart MacMillan <guffin472@...>
 

I have changed servers and my new email address is:

j.l.macmillan@worldnet.att.net


Janice L.MacMillan
j.l.macmillanworldnet.att.net

( My former email address was guffin47@imcnet.net)

MODERATOR NOTE: Please remember to change your listing on the
Discussion Group subscription and the JGFF.


Original family last name ? HAYDIS / HADIS / AIDES #general

Smhyds@...
 

I have been trying to track down my orginal last name. My grandparents
emigrate to Canada >from Odessa Russia around the 1850 then into the USA.
my given name is HAYDIS. But ithe Canada census of 1901 they have kisted
various HADIS. my uncle told ne long time ago the name was AIDES later
change to Hadis then to Haydis. I am try to track down a passenger list
also any help insight would be grateful
Sincerely
Samuel Haydis
Email Smhyds@cs.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Original family last name ? HAYDIS / HADIS / AIDES #general

Smhyds@...
 

I have been trying to track down my orginal last name. My grandparents
emigrate to Canada >from Odessa Russia around the 1850 then into the USA.
my given name is HAYDIS. But ithe Canada census of 1901 they have kisted
various HADIS. my uncle told ne long time ago the name was AIDES later
change to Hadis then to Haydis. I am try to track down a passenger list
also any help insight would be grateful
Sincerely
Samuel Haydis
Email Smhyds@cs.com


hard disc wiped out #general

Anita Frankel <frankel@...>
 

Dear Friends,

Last night my computer crashed ( a virus, I think)

All of the e-mail messages that I had been planning to answer
as soon as possible, were lost. (including some >from Family
Tree of the Jewish People)

So if you sent me a message that has gone unanswered for a
few weeks, please write again.

Sorry!
Anita Frankel frankel@neca.com
Storrs, CT, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen hard disc wiped out #general

Anita Frankel <frankel@...>
 

Dear Friends,

Last night my computer crashed ( a virus, I think)

All of the e-mail messages that I had been planning to answer
as soon as possible, were lost. (including some >from Family
Tree of the Jewish People)

So if you sent me a message that has gone unanswered for a
few weeks, please write again.

Sorry!
Anita Frankel frankel@neca.com
Storrs, CT, USA


ben and bit #general

MERLE KUCAN <BUTCHKUCAN@...>
 

I am looking at a bunch of document and was wondering exactly how these
names were used and what sequence they would follow, please privatelly
email if you can help....if mother name was Ruth , her mother was
Elizabeth her mother was Marian. can you give examples of wothey are
used in sequence// also father was Isaac and his father was israel and
his was joseph etc .. thanks for the help

Merle Kucan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ben and bit #general

MERLE KUCAN <BUTCHKUCAN@...>
 

I am looking at a bunch of document and was wondering exactly how these
names were used and what sequence they would follow, please privatelly
email if you can help....if mother name was Ruth , her mother was
Elizabeth her mother was Marian. can you give examples of wothey are
used in sequence// also father was Isaac and his father was israel and
his was joseph etc .. thanks for the help

Merle Kucan


Re: Treatment of adopted children in family trees #general

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@...>
 

benkarliner@juno.com (Benjamin Karliner) said:

Is it acceptable practice to include a blood relative's adopted child
in one's family tree?
I would ask whether it is acceptable to not include the adopted child.
If there is a halachic issue, indicate it in the data, but to drop the
child is not fair to the child, the parents or to those to whom you
give the family tree.

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz,

I mangled my E-mail address to foil automated spammers; reply to
domain acm dot org user shmuel to contact me. Do not reply to
spamtrap@library.lspace.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Treatment of adopted children in family trees #general

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@...>
 

benkarliner@juno.com (Benjamin Karliner) said:

Is it acceptable practice to include a blood relative's adopted child
in one's family tree?
I would ask whether it is acceptable to not include the adopted child.
If there is a halachic issue, indicate it in the data, but to drop the
child is not fair to the child, the parents or to those to whom you
give the family tree.

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz,

I mangled my E-mail address to foil automated spammers; reply to
domain acm dot org user shmuel to contact me. Do not reply to
spamtrap@library.lspace.org


Re: Krasnoysky Kray #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Errol,

In JG's ShtelSeeker insert place Krasnoyarsk and select Russia. When you
see entry some 2000++ miles east of Moscow, this is a centre of
Krasnoyarskiy Kray (Territory).

Alexander Sharon
mailto: a.sharon@home.com

<ESES@aol.com> wrote :

I am trying to locate a place called Krasnoysky Kray in Russia. Just
found out some family information that this city and its Labor camps
back in 1941 may have played a part in my Grandfathers life.
Is there some place I can find out about the Labor camps there back in
1941? Seems that my Grandfather was sentenced to 5 years there but no
record of him arriving there.
Errol Schneegurt LI NY eses@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Krasnoysky Kray #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Errol,

In JG's ShtelSeeker insert place Krasnoyarsk and select Russia. When you
see entry some 2000++ miles east of Moscow, this is a centre of
Krasnoyarskiy Kray (Territory).

Alexander Sharon
mailto: a.sharon@home.com

<ESES@aol.com> wrote :

I am trying to locate a place called Krasnoysky Kray in Russia. Just
found out some family information that this city and its Labor camps
back in 1941 may have played a part in my Grandfathers life.
Is there some place I can find out about the Labor camps there back in
1941? Seems that my Grandfather was sentenced to 5 years there but no
record of him arriving there.
Errol Schneegurt LI NY eses@aol.com