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Re: Some further thoughts #general

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

I agree, I think of this research as a puzzle to be solved.
The in and outs are what interest me and of course the
thrill of the discovery and the chase also helps the ego.
Diane Jacobs
New york



This is not strictly genealogy, but recently some studies have indicated
that people who use their minds more don't get Alzheimer's Disease as
much as those who don't think a lot.

David Fielker wrote:

"In my case, one reason is certainly the thrill of the chase. As a
mathematics teacher I have always enjoyed solving problems"

I agree.....

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


Maimonides Lodge #general

Suzecrazy@...
 

I am trying to solve the mystery of why my GGgrandfather would have
Maimonides Lodge on his headstone. I am trying to find people that may be
fimiliar with this. He died in NY in 1897. Any ideas?
Susie Stock
Agoura Hills, Ca


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Some further thoughts #general

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

I agree, I think of this research as a puzzle to be solved.
The in and outs are what interest me and of course the
thrill of the discovery and the chase also helps the ego.
Diane Jacobs
New york



This is not strictly genealogy, but recently some studies have indicated
that people who use their minds more don't get Alzheimer's Disease as
much as those who don't think a lot.

David Fielker wrote:

"In my case, one reason is certainly the thrill of the chase. As a
mathematics teacher I have always enjoyed solving problems"

I agree.....

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Maimonides Lodge #general

Suzecrazy@...
 

I am trying to solve the mystery of why my GGgrandfather would have
Maimonides Lodge on his headstone. I am trying to find people that may be
fimiliar with this. He died in NY in 1897. Any ideas?
Susie Stock
Agoura Hills, Ca


Schroda and Craetz Prussia #general

Suzecrazy@...
 

Can anyone give me some info. on these two places in Prussia? I learned that
my GGGrandparents were >from these places and I'm having a hard time finding
out very much.
Thanks,
Susie Stock
Agoura Hills, Ca


MODERATOR NOTE: The places Susie refers to are Schroda and Craetz.


Re: The given name Leyb (Leib) #general

Norman H. Carp-Gordon <zerakodesh@...>
 

A man named Leib could name a son Yehuda if his own Hebrew name was
different; e.g., Aryay, which means the same as Leib; i.e., lion.

On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:39:25 EST Irvjs@aol.com writes:

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@uol.com.br> wrote
<<What kind of name is Leyb and how it relates to Yehuda? Is Leyb
and
Lob the same name, just different spellings? >>

I have heard that Yehuda and Leib are kinui or go together.. But if
that
were so, would a man named Leib call his son Judah? My mggf, Leib
Speier
in 1872 wrote down a family history goingback to Joseph Plaut in
Neuenbrunslar (Hesse) in 1682. Included in this history is Leib'
son, Juda
Speier-Holstein (1859-1938), my mgf.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Schroda and Craetz Prussia #general

Suzecrazy@...
 

Can anyone give me some info. on these two places in Prussia? I learned that
my GGGrandparents were >from these places and I'm having a hard time finding
out very much.
Thanks,
Susie Stock
Agoura Hills, Ca


MODERATOR NOTE: The places Susie refers to are Schroda and Craetz.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The given name Leyb (Leib) #general

Norman H. Carp-Gordon <zerakodesh@...>
 

A man named Leib could name a son Yehuda if his own Hebrew name was
different; e.g., Aryay, which means the same as Leib; i.e., lion.

On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:39:25 EST Irvjs@aol.com writes:

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@uol.com.br> wrote
<<What kind of name is Leyb and how it relates to Yehuda? Is Leyb
and
Lob the same name, just different spellings? >>

I have heard that Yehuda and Leib are kinui or go together.. But if
that
were so, would a man named Leib call his son Judah? My mggf, Leib
Speier
in 1872 wrote down a family history goingback to Joseph Plaut in
Neuenbrunslar (Hesse) in 1682. Included in this history is Leib'
son, Juda
Speier-Holstein (1859-1938), my mgf.


Belarus Records #belarus

SJR1126935@...
 

With regard to Gladys Friedman Paulin's post of Friday, 12/08/2000 and
other posts related to Miriam Margoyles's post and others::

I most sincerely want to THANK Gladys for her very insightful comments and
explanation of the situation in Belarus. Gladys, you have performed another
mitzvah!!

My comment to Miriam's post was that there should be much more coordinated
cooperation between LDS [Mormon} Famnily History Library and all of the
several various Jewish geneological groups/organizations. Although such
cooperation would entail some organizational overhead effort, the end result
would be far more extensive geneological resources for all people to be able
to access.

With regard to the negative post, on Wednesday, about the Mormon Church and
its purposes:: >from my personal experiences at the Family History Libray in
Salt Lake City, I want to tell all who may harbour those bigoted and very
UNJEWISH thoughts, that the staff of the FHL are the most welcoming, warm,
gracious and helpful group of people that I have ever come in contact with.
There is a great aura of peace, tranquility and of actually doing Yahweh's
work in each of the people, who, by the way, are not all Mormon. A sense of
the world as one community created by GOD permeates the Library.

There is absolutely no effort made to convert any of the visitors to the FHL
to the Mormon belief. On the contrary, there is complete respect for each
visitor's personal set of beliefs. And in addition, because of the past
cooperation between FHL and Jewish geneological groups, jews are probably
treated ""more equally"" than others.

Finally, I want to express my sincere thanks to alllllll, jew and non-jew
alike, who have given of themselves, in thier LOVE OF GOD, to help all of
us in pursuiit of our roots and a better understanding of our 4000 year
golden JEWISH heritage.

Shalom,

Samuel J. Richelew, PE
Southfield, Michigan
sjr1126935@aol.com

researching:
RICHELEWSKI, RICHELEWSKY of Porozovo, Svisloch [Grodno ??] Belarus
MOSES, MOSESCO, MOSESCU of Piatra (Neamt ??) [Neamt ??] Romania


Belarus SIG #Belarus Belarus Records #belarus

SJR1126935@...
 

With regard to Gladys Friedman Paulin's post of Friday, 12/08/2000 and
other posts related to Miriam Margoyles's post and others::

I most sincerely want to THANK Gladys for her very insightful comments and
explanation of the situation in Belarus. Gladys, you have performed another
mitzvah!!

My comment to Miriam's post was that there should be much more coordinated
cooperation between LDS [Mormon} Famnily History Library and all of the
several various Jewish geneological groups/organizations. Although such
cooperation would entail some organizational overhead effort, the end result
would be far more extensive geneological resources for all people to be able
to access.

With regard to the negative post, on Wednesday, about the Mormon Church and
its purposes:: >from my personal experiences at the Family History Libray in
Salt Lake City, I want to tell all who may harbour those bigoted and very
UNJEWISH thoughts, that the staff of the FHL are the most welcoming, warm,
gracious and helpful group of people that I have ever come in contact with.
There is a great aura of peace, tranquility and of actually doing Yahweh's
work in each of the people, who, by the way, are not all Mormon. A sense of
the world as one community created by GOD permeates the Library.

There is absolutely no effort made to convert any of the visitors to the FHL
to the Mormon belief. On the contrary, there is complete respect for each
visitor's personal set of beliefs. And in addition, because of the past
cooperation between FHL and Jewish geneological groups, jews are probably
treated ""more equally"" than others.

Finally, I want to express my sincere thanks to alllllll, jew and non-jew
alike, who have given of themselves, in thier LOVE OF GOD, to help all of
us in pursuiit of our roots and a better understanding of our 4000 year
golden JEWISH heritage.

Shalom,

Samuel J. Richelew, PE
Southfield, Michigan
sjr1126935@aol.com

researching:
RICHELEWSKI, RICHELEWSKY of Porozovo, Svisloch [Grodno ??] Belarus
MOSES, MOSESCO, MOSESCU of Piatra (Neamt ??) [Neamt ??] Romania


Duma List Project Status - Lists from Vitebsk guberniya? #belarus

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Dear all,

The Duma List Project is very interesting and I would be willing
contributing with money as well as help with translitteration/translation
from Russian to English. But, then I would appreciate that the lists came
from areas of interest to me.
My great-grandmother's family originated in the northeastern Belarus, then
the Velizh and Vitebsk uyezds (districts) of the Vitebsk guberniya. On the
Belarus SIG-site very less information is about this part of Belarus and it
wasn't until very recently any information >from this area was included in
the All Belarus Database when the 1911 Vsia Rossia >from Vitebsk guberniya
was released. In this database I have found one person, Beila Nemchonok, of
great interest to my familyresearch, even if I have no idea of how she could
have been related to my ggm's family.

So, now I'm trying to see if there is any other Belarus SIG members who are
interesting in trying to get copies of the Duma Lists >from Vitebsk guberniya
(if there of course are anyone preserved in the Belarussian archives) having
them translitterad/translated and put up on the Belarus SIG-site. Of course
this also applies for other kind of genealogical information >from the
Vitebsk guberniya.

Hope to hear >from other Vitebsk-researchers!

Best regards

Adam Katzeff
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@mail.bip.net

Researching:
LEVINTAL / LEVINTHAL: Surazh (Vitebsk gub.)+Vitebsk, Belarus; Parnu, Estonia
NEMTSOV / NEMZOFF: Surazh (Vitebsk gub.)+Vitebsk, Belarus; Sweden; Denmark
NEMCHENKO / NEMTSCHENKO: Surazh (Vitebsk gub.)+Vitebsk, Belarus; Sweden; St
Petersburg, Russia
NIVOROSHKIN / NEWOROSCHKIN / NIVAROSCHKIN / NIWOROSCHKIN: Surazh (Vitebsk
gub.), Belarus; Sweden; Denmark; New York, NY, USA


Belarus SIG #Belarus Duma List Project Status - Lists from Vitebsk guberniya? #belarus

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Dear all,

The Duma List Project is very interesting and I would be willing
contributing with money as well as help with translitteration/translation
from Russian to English. But, then I would appreciate that the lists came
from areas of interest to me.
My great-grandmother's family originated in the northeastern Belarus, then
the Velizh and Vitebsk uyezds (districts) of the Vitebsk guberniya. On the
Belarus SIG-site very less information is about this part of Belarus and it
wasn't until very recently any information >from this area was included in
the All Belarus Database when the 1911 Vsia Rossia >from Vitebsk guberniya
was released. In this database I have found one person, Beila Nemchonok, of
great interest to my familyresearch, even if I have no idea of how she could
have been related to my ggm's family.

So, now I'm trying to see if there is any other Belarus SIG members who are
interesting in trying to get copies of the Duma Lists >from Vitebsk guberniya
(if there of course are anyone preserved in the Belarussian archives) having
them translitterad/translated and put up on the Belarus SIG-site. Of course
this also applies for other kind of genealogical information >from the
Vitebsk guberniya.

Hope to hear >from other Vitebsk-researchers!

Best regards

Adam Katzeff
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@mail.bip.net

Researching:
LEVINTAL / LEVINTHAL: Surazh (Vitebsk gub.)+Vitebsk, Belarus; Parnu, Estonia
NEMTSOV / NEMZOFF: Surazh (Vitebsk gub.)+Vitebsk, Belarus; Sweden; Denmark
NEMCHENKO / NEMTSCHENKO: Surazh (Vitebsk gub.)+Vitebsk, Belarus; Sweden; St
Petersburg, Russia
NIVOROSHKIN / NEWOROSCHKIN / NIVAROSCHKIN / NIWOROSCHKIN: Surazh (Vitebsk
gub.), Belarus; Sweden; Denmark; New York, NY, USA


Belarus Records #belarus

Phrases1@...
 

I agree with Gladys Paulin's statement: "The situation in Belarus is very
different and very delicate. By working with the LDS, David and the SIG
leadership has chosen wisely." I believe that delicate negotiations require
and deserve our membership sitting quietly as Dave completes this
considerable undertaking without our intruding into a situation that we might
disrupt inadvertently. I am satisfied that they are making progress with all
due speed.

I would like to add these comments to those of Gladys. Dave, Elsebeth, and
Edward deserve our gratitude for the incredible amount of work that they do
on our behalf without fanfare and for its outstanding result. I am sure that
most people cannot begin to imagine the endless hours and efforts that the
leadership of Belarus SIG expends for our benefit . Instead of "ditto"
emails, maybe instead a good "thank you" would be an $18 donation to Belarus
SIG to honor those who work so tirelessly behind the scenes on behalf of all
of us! Instructions for such a chai donation are at
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/belarus.html

Ellen Sadove Renck -NY

In a message dated 12/09/2000 12:58:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
belarus@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<< I want to thank Dave Fox. Elizabeth Paikin and all the others who work so
very hard for all of us without asking for
any other personal compensation other than the satisfaction of providing
help to us all. >>


Belarus SIG #Belarus Belarus Records #belarus

Phrases1@...
 

I agree with Gladys Paulin's statement: "The situation in Belarus is very
different and very delicate. By working with the LDS, David and the SIG
leadership has chosen wisely." I believe that delicate negotiations require
and deserve our membership sitting quietly as Dave completes this
considerable undertaking without our intruding into a situation that we might
disrupt inadvertently. I am satisfied that they are making progress with all
due speed.

I would like to add these comments to those of Gladys. Dave, Elsebeth, and
Edward deserve our gratitude for the incredible amount of work that they do
on our behalf without fanfare and for its outstanding result. I am sure that
most people cannot begin to imagine the endless hours and efforts that the
leadership of Belarus SIG expends for our benefit . Instead of "ditto"
emails, maybe instead a good "thank you" would be an $18 donation to Belarus
SIG to honor those who work so tirelessly behind the scenes on behalf of all
of us! Instructions for such a chai donation are at
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/belarus.html

Ellen Sadove Renck -NY

In a message dated 12/09/2000 12:58:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
belarus@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<< I want to thank Dave Fox. Elizabeth Paikin and all the others who work so
very hard for all of us without asking for
any other personal compensation other than the satisfaction of providing
help to us all. >>


MENDEL(S)SOHN's who lived in Warszawa in 1870 #general

Mendelssohn <mendelssohn@...>
 

I recently learned (thanks to Hadassah Lipsius!!!) that:
"The 1870 Warszawa Business Directory shows many MENDELSOHN's including the
following given names:

Ber, Berek, Dawid, Eljasz, Emanuel, Gerszon, Hersz, Jakier, Jankiel,
Lejzer, Majer, Mendel, Moszek, Wolf and Perla."

Emanuel Mendelsohn was my gggrandfather (born aroud 1820,corntraider,married
to Paulina Szulcman,7 children) and other Mendelsohn's >from this list may
have been relatives: that's why any information on them would be very
appreciated!
According to JRI-Poland's datas:
-Jakier would be born in 1828 and had married Mindla Finkelszteijn;
-Wolf would be born in 1822.
Maybe brothers or cousins???
Thanks in advance for any help concerning these given names!
Florence Mendelssohn,Paris (France)


"Secrets of Berdichev" #general

Alan Shuchat <ashuchat@...>
 

At Steve Rosen's request, I've translated the chapter headings for
the book "Secrets of Berdichev." The book focuses on the community as
a whole rather than on individuals. While some names appear in the
book, they're very hard to identify by scanning because names aren't
capitalized in Yiddish.

Alan Shuchat
ashuchat@wellesley.edu
Newton, Mass.

Researching:
SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye)
KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets)
BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolski)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

--

Di Geheymnise fun Berditshuv (Secrets of Berdichev)
A character portrait of the Jewish community as an example of the Jewish custom

by A. Tsederboym
editor of "Hamelits","Kol Mevaser"

Warsaw 1870

General overview
The location of Berdichev
The history of Berdichev
Commercial operations
The dominant spirit in the community
Religious and worldly institutions
The Choral Synagogue
The Jewish hospital
The Talmud Torah
The Society for Widows and Orphans
The Society for Welcoming Guests
Other societies
The Chevra Kadisha
Educational institutions
The club
The library
The meat trade (? fakht, not fakh) - this is about a tax controversy
Concluding remarks
Statistical tables (number of Jews in various businesses)
Acknowledgment
List of synagogues, bes medreshim and kloyzer in Berdichev
Total births, deaths, weddings, and divorces 1861-1868


KALISCHER/RASCHKOWSKY/SMITH Family #general

BSmith1311 <bsmith1311@...>
 

I am researching the Kalischer family (one of many spellings); the
Kalischers are relatives on my father's side. Simon Kalischer (born about
1831, Germany/Poland/Prussia) came to New York City before 1856. Simon had a
sister Rachael who was supposedly born in Germany in 1841. Simon's wife was
Minnie Honig (born about 1831, Germany/Prussia). Children: Aaron (born 1856,
New York City), Morris (born 1858, New York City), William (born 1862, New
York City), and Alexander (born 1872, New York City). Simon may have had
many brothers (familial names seem to be Edwin, Adolph, Meyer, Morris, and
Sol) and at least one sister named Rachael (born 1841, Germany). Simon was a
capmaker in New York City. His son Aaron married Carrie Baron and had at
least six children. Simon's son William married Annie Raschkowsky (who
changed her name to Annie Marks) and had eleven children. This William
Kalischer changed his name to Frank Smith and moved to New Orleans about
1894. Frank Smith was my Dad's grandfather. Simon's son Alexander married
Mildred Halpern.

Is anyone else researching this surname? I would enjoy hearing >from you and
will exchange information. I am particuarly interested in information
related to the city and country of origin of Simon and Rachael Kalischer.

Please answer privately.

Brent W. Smith
bsmith1311@aol.com


Re: Smalian / Smalyan? Rabbi Yoel of Smalian #general

Yosef Ash <j_ash@...>
 

Shalom, Udi.
You ask:
Subject: Smalian / Smalyan? Rabbi Yoel of Smalian


In letters >from 1778 until 1817 (all in Hebrew), I have the place name
Smalian.
In Hebrew, the name of the shtet'l is: Samech Mem Lammed Yud Yud Allef Nun.
Shtet'l seeker brings me to Orsha gubernia, and the only place near Orsha
(between Mogilev & Vitebsk), that looks right, is Smolensk. Is it the same
as Smalian?
Rabbi Yoel Ben Moshe, came to Smalian >from Shklov.
Best regards >from Jerusalem. Udi Cain (Chaikin).
There is on the map one better place than Smolensk.
Find on the map the town Orsha (exactly halfway between Mogilev and
Vitebsk). 22 km NW to Orsha you can see the smaller place named Smol'yany. I
think that is what you are looking for.
Shklov, Rabbi Yoel ben Moshe came from, stands S to Orsha, halfway (40 km)
to Mogilev.
Smolensk is in another country (Russia, not Belarus) and is far away from
this region.
Good luck!
Dr. Josef ASH


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen MENDEL(S)SOHN's who lived in Warszawa in 1870 #general

Mendelssohn <mendelssohn@...>
 

I recently learned (thanks to Hadassah Lipsius!!!) that:
"The 1870 Warszawa Business Directory shows many MENDELSOHN's including the
following given names:

Ber, Berek, Dawid, Eljasz, Emanuel, Gerszon, Hersz, Jakier, Jankiel,
Lejzer, Majer, Mendel, Moszek, Wolf and Perla."

Emanuel Mendelsohn was my gggrandfather (born aroud 1820,corntraider,married
to Paulina Szulcman,7 children) and other Mendelsohn's >from this list may
have been relatives: that's why any information on them would be very
appreciated!
According to JRI-Poland's datas:
-Jakier would be born in 1828 and had married Mindla Finkelszteijn;
-Wolf would be born in 1822.
Maybe brothers or cousins???
Thanks in advance for any help concerning these given names!
Florence Mendelssohn,Paris (France)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Secrets of Berdichev" #general

Alan Shuchat <ashuchat@...>
 

At Steve Rosen's request, I've translated the chapter headings for
the book "Secrets of Berdichev." The book focuses on the community as
a whole rather than on individuals. While some names appear in the
book, they're very hard to identify by scanning because names aren't
capitalized in Yiddish.

Alan Shuchat
ashuchat@wellesley.edu
Newton, Mass.

Researching:
SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye)
KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets)
BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolski)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

--

Di Geheymnise fun Berditshuv (Secrets of Berdichev)
A character portrait of the Jewish community as an example of the Jewish custom

by A. Tsederboym
editor of "Hamelits","Kol Mevaser"

Warsaw 1870

General overview
The location of Berdichev
The history of Berdichev
Commercial operations
The dominant spirit in the community
Religious and worldly institutions
The Choral Synagogue
The Jewish hospital
The Talmud Torah
The Society for Widows and Orphans
The Society for Welcoming Guests
Other societies
The Chevra Kadisha
Educational institutions
The club
The library
The meat trade (? fakht, not fakh) - this is about a tax controversy
Concluding remarks
Statistical tables (number of Jews in various businesses)
Acknowledgment
List of synagogues, bes medreshim and kloyzer in Berdichev
Total births, deaths, weddings, and divorces 1861-1868