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Re: Ethical Question, Found Date Discrepany on Cemetary Headstone #general

Hellfire <hellfire@...>
 

Dear Deborah,

This one really threw me too. I can see why it's so difficult to decide.

I asked my husband and my sons 8 and 10 (sometimes kids do know more than
we do:)) We discussed it for about 15 minutes at dinner and came to this
conclusion. If the stone can be fixed, for minimal cost, tell them, and
then tell them that you will take care of it. Otherwise let it be, while
they are living, and then change it, if you can afford to do so. In either
case, make sure the management of the cemetery knows that the discrepancy
exists so that they, at least, will give the correct information. Publish
the true dates for future generations.

Sheila and Allen Greenfield
Atlanta, GA

"Deborah L. Sterling" wrote:

While checking the information on a Declaration of Intention and then
looking at a photo I took myself of an ancestor's headstone,I've made the
deduction that the headstone is in error. (off by 3 years for year of
birth). Since the declaration is much earlier in time,
was filled out in front of the live relative,vs the headstone,and the age
adds up correctlyon the petition,I am fairly certain of this discrepancy.

Now, the question, do I tell the son and daughter of the deceased? They
are both elderly and I don't like upsetting them, but should they know
about this?
anyone else run into this situation??
Deborah


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ethical Question, Found Date Discrepany on Cemetary Headstone #general

Hellfire <hellfire@...>
 

Dear Deborah,

This one really threw me too. I can see why it's so difficult to decide.

I asked my husband and my sons 8 and 10 (sometimes kids do know more than
we do:)) We discussed it for about 15 minutes at dinner and came to this
conclusion. If the stone can be fixed, for minimal cost, tell them, and
then tell them that you will take care of it. Otherwise let it be, while
they are living, and then change it, if you can afford to do so. In either
case, make sure the management of the cemetery knows that the discrepancy
exists so that they, at least, will give the correct information. Publish
the true dates for future generations.

Sheila and Allen Greenfield
Atlanta, GA

"Deborah L. Sterling" wrote:

While checking the information on a Declaration of Intention and then
looking at a photo I took myself of an ancestor's headstone,I've made the
deduction that the headstone is in error. (off by 3 years for year of
birth). Since the declaration is much earlier in time,
was filled out in front of the live relative,vs the headstone,and the age
adds up correctlyon the petition,I am fairly certain of this discrepancy.

Now, the question, do I tell the son and daughter of the deceased? They
are both elderly and I don't like upsetting them, but should they know
about this?
anyone else run into this situation??
Deborah


Benevolent Societies -- New York City #general

David Sencer
 

I am trying to find details on the Ahavach Achim Benevolent Society. I
seem to remember that there was a central place in New York that has
information on the various societies. I would appreciated any information.

Thank you.




David J. Sencer
Atlanta, GA
"mailto:djud@mindspring.com"


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Benevolent Societies -- New York City #general

David Sencer
 

I am trying to find details on the Ahavach Achim Benevolent Society. I
seem to remember that there was a central place in New York that has
information on the various societies. I would appreciated any information.

Thank you.




David J. Sencer
Atlanta, GA
"mailto:djud@mindspring.com"


Re: KUSHNER #belarus

Errol Feldman <boaz@...>
 

There are a number of Kushner families living in Montreal, Quebec.
Errol Feldman


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: KUSHNER #belarus

Errol Feldman <boaz@...>
 

There are a number of Kushner families living in Montreal, Quebec.
Errol Feldman


messages for the new year #hungary

Joyce Field <jfield@...>
 

To H-SIG:

Subject: New JewishGen Database - Yizkor Book Necrology Database

On the last day of Hanukah, to keep the flame burning...

JewishGen is pleased to announce a major new database:
The JewishGen Yizkor Book Necrology Database. This database
indexes the names of persons in the necrologies -- the lists
of Holocaust martyrs -- published in the Yizkor Books which
have been translated as part of the JewishGen Yizkor Book
Translation Project.

The database currently contains over 90,000 entries >from the
necrologies of 110 different Yizkor Books. Many of these
entries are for family groups; therefore the 90,000 entries
in this database represent well over 200,000 individuals.

While most of these necrologies have already been available
on the JewishGen web site, the JewishGen Yizkor Book Necrology
Database allows the surnames to be searched via Daitch-Mokotoff
Soundex. Because most of these names were transliterated from
Hebrew and Yiddish, the spellings of the surnames may not be
as you are used to seeing them in Latin-alphabet sources;
therefore, standard internet searches would not find them.
The Soundex search capabilities of this new database solves
this problem.

The JewishGen Yizkor Book Necrology Database can be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/yizkor


The database is an index of names; it directs researchers
back to the online translation of the Yizkor Book itself,
where more complete information may be available, at
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/translations.html

If the necrology in your ancestral town's Yizkor Book is not
yet part of this database, please consider transcribing it,
and submitting it to the JewishGen Yizkor Book Project, so
that it can then be added to this ongoing effort. The
Yizkor Book Project's donation procedures can be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/donation/

As an added bonus, the names >from the Necrology Database are
also searchable >from the respective JewishGen "All Country"
databases. For example, the names >from the necrologies in
Yizkor Books for towns now in Belarus are also searchable
via the "All Belarus Database" as well as >from the Necrology
Database, etc. This is part of JewishGen's ongoing database
integration efforts.

The Necrology database was created by a team of volunteers,
working under the supervision of Ernie Fine, who extracted the
names >from the necrologies in the individual Yizkor Books and
input them into Excel spreadsheets, which were then imported
into the database.

JewishGen would like to thank the Necrology Database Project
Manager, Ernie Fine, for his hard work and diligent efforts
in making this database a reality. Thanks also go to John
Berman, the Yizkor Book Database Manager, for his work in
updating the bibliographic database to accommodate the links
to the online translations; to Michael Tobias, our database
guru, for his magic in constructing this new interface; to
Joyce Field, the Yizkor Book Project Manager; and of course
to all those who have transliterated and submitted necrologies
to the JewishGen Yizkor Book Project.

Please visit the new JewishGen Yizkor Book Necrology Database
at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/yizkor

Warren

Warren Blatt
JewishGen Webmaster
Boston, MA
< wblatt@jewishgen.org >
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: OWBR staff

I am pleased to announce that Ernie Fine has accepted the challenge
of taking over as Technical Coordinator of the OWBR, the ONLINE
WORLDWIDE BURIAL REGISTRY,
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/

After completing the initial phase of the Yizkor Book Necrology
Database (which was launched today at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/yizkor
Ernie had proven his mettle and was eager for the challenges of another
important project. Needless to say, he will still be working on updates
to the Necrology database

Harriet Brown, who has served and will continue to serve the Yizkor
Book Project in numerous important functions, is taking over
additional duties as the OWBR Administrative Coordinator. Rebecca
Gerber continues her vital data entry functions for OWBR.

Henceforth, all OWBR donor agreements should be sent to Harriet Brown
and all data to Ernie Fine. Their postal addresses are listed at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/. They can be reached by
email at:
Harriet Brown: hnbrown@gdinet.com
Ernie Fine: efine@cygnetserv.com

If you want to volunteer to coordinate collecting burial information
for a city or state or country, please contact me, Joyce Field, at
jfield@jewishgen.org. If you have burial data to contribute, please
read the instructions at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/
and contact Harriet Brown if you have questions.

Every JewishGen project is successful only because of the people who
volunteer their time and talents to the project. There are never
enough compliments for these dedicated people and never enough
adjectives to describe their brilliant work. My sincere wishes for
a new year full of success and fulfillment to all our volunteers and
donors of data.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP, Research
jfield@jewishgen.org


Hungary SIG #Hungary messages for the new year #hungary

Joyce Field <jfield@...>
 

To H-SIG:

Subject: New JewishGen Database - Yizkor Book Necrology Database

On the last day of Hanukah, to keep the flame burning...

JewishGen is pleased to announce a major new database:
The JewishGen Yizkor Book Necrology Database. This database
indexes the names of persons in the necrologies -- the lists
of Holocaust martyrs -- published in the Yizkor Books which
have been translated as part of the JewishGen Yizkor Book
Translation Project.

The database currently contains over 90,000 entries >from the
necrologies of 110 different Yizkor Books. Many of these
entries are for family groups; therefore the 90,000 entries
in this database represent well over 200,000 individuals.

While most of these necrologies have already been available
on the JewishGen web site, the JewishGen Yizkor Book Necrology
Database allows the surnames to be searched via Daitch-Mokotoff
Soundex. Because most of these names were transliterated from
Hebrew and Yiddish, the spellings of the surnames may not be
as you are used to seeing them in Latin-alphabet sources;
therefore, standard internet searches would not find them.
The Soundex search capabilities of this new database solves
this problem.

The JewishGen Yizkor Book Necrology Database can be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/yizkor


The database is an index of names; it directs researchers
back to the online translation of the Yizkor Book itself,
where more complete information may be available, at
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/translations.html

If the necrology in your ancestral town's Yizkor Book is not
yet part of this database, please consider transcribing it,
and submitting it to the JewishGen Yizkor Book Project, so
that it can then be added to this ongoing effort. The
Yizkor Book Project's donation procedures can be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/donation/

As an added bonus, the names >from the Necrology Database are
also searchable >from the respective JewishGen "All Country"
databases. For example, the names >from the necrologies in
Yizkor Books for towns now in Belarus are also searchable
via the "All Belarus Database" as well as >from the Necrology
Database, etc. This is part of JewishGen's ongoing database
integration efforts.

The Necrology database was created by a team of volunteers,
working under the supervision of Ernie Fine, who extracted the
names >from the necrologies in the individual Yizkor Books and
input them into Excel spreadsheets, which were then imported
into the database.

JewishGen would like to thank the Necrology Database Project
Manager, Ernie Fine, for his hard work and diligent efforts
in making this database a reality. Thanks also go to John
Berman, the Yizkor Book Database Manager, for his work in
updating the bibliographic database to accommodate the links
to the online translations; to Michael Tobias, our database
guru, for his magic in constructing this new interface; to
Joyce Field, the Yizkor Book Project Manager; and of course
to all those who have transliterated and submitted necrologies
to the JewishGen Yizkor Book Project.

Please visit the new JewishGen Yizkor Book Necrology Database
at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/yizkor

Warren

Warren Blatt
JewishGen Webmaster
Boston, MA
< wblatt@jewishgen.org >
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: OWBR staff

I am pleased to announce that Ernie Fine has accepted the challenge
of taking over as Technical Coordinator of the OWBR, the ONLINE
WORLDWIDE BURIAL REGISTRY,
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/

After completing the initial phase of the Yizkor Book Necrology
Database (which was launched today at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/yizkor
Ernie had proven his mettle and was eager for the challenges of another
important project. Needless to say, he will still be working on updates
to the Necrology database

Harriet Brown, who has served and will continue to serve the Yizkor
Book Project in numerous important functions, is taking over
additional duties as the OWBR Administrative Coordinator. Rebecca
Gerber continues her vital data entry functions for OWBR.

Henceforth, all OWBR donor agreements should be sent to Harriet Brown
and all data to Ernie Fine. Their postal addresses are listed at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/. They can be reached by
email at:
Harriet Brown: hnbrown@gdinet.com
Ernie Fine: efine@cygnetserv.com

If you want to volunteer to coordinate collecting burial information
for a city or state or country, please contact me, Joyce Field, at
jfield@jewishgen.org. If you have burial data to contribute, please
read the instructions at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/
and contact Harriet Brown if you have questions.

Every JewishGen project is successful only because of the people who
volunteer their time and talents to the project. There are never
enough compliments for these dedicated people and never enough
adjectives to describe their brilliant work. My sincere wishes for
a new year full of success and fulfillment to all our volunteers and
donors of data.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP, Research
jfield@jewishgen.org


Surnames -- LANDSTEIN, UNK, FRIEDLANDER #hungary

Norman/Jean Fuhrer <nfuhrer@...>
 

Dear H-Siggers:

Our main focus has been on my husband's immediate family -- surname FUHRER
from (then, Natafalva, Hungary, now Nacina Ves, Slovakia). They also had a
presence in Ungvar, Hungary (now Uzhgorod, Ukraine).

His grandfather, Yitchak FUHRER's first wife was named Sylvia UNK. At first
we discounted the surname thinking that UNK meant unknown, but recently we
came across telephone listings of UNK's in the USA. Can anyone suggest the
origin of this name? Also, what is the Yiddish or Hebrew equivilent for
Sylvia?

Norman's mother, Rose BERKOWITZ, arrived in NYC >from Beregszazz, Hungary in
1910. She was accompanied by her cousin Pauline (Poli) LANDSTEIN. Is
anyone out there researching LANDSTEIN? Found this surname only in Poland,
not Hungary or the Ukraine.

Last on the wish list -- Yechiel FUHRER married Rachel FRIEDLANDER. She is
buried in the Spisske Podhradie Cemetery in Slovakia. Does anyone have any
information on FRIEDLANDER. We believe her father was a Rabbi.

Warm regards to all,
Jean Fuhrer - nfuhrer@iu.net
Titusville, Florida -- on Florida's Spacecoast


Re: Ordained Rabbi's in small villages #hungary

Norman/Jean Fuhrer <nfuhrer@...>
 

Can anyone tell us what the function of an ordained Rabbi would be in a
small village.

We had two Rabbi's in the FUHRER family. Norman's grandfather, Yitzchak
FUHRER, Natafalva, Hungary, was a Rabbi, was a tailor and owned a farm in
Natafalva (about 6 miles >from Nagy Mihaly, now Micholvce). Norman's uncle,
David FUHRER, who had smicha, was a schochet, as well as a clothes merchant/
peddler.

We know that David FUHRER did not practice as a Rabbi, we are not sure about
Yitzchak FUHRER. He was buried in 1919 in the Jewish Cemetery in Ungvar and
is listed in the Cemetery book as a Rabbi.

We do not yet know if there was a Synagogue in Natafalva. And we do not
believe either relative was a famous Rabbi. Would they have achieved this
distinction only because of their very Orthodox beliefs, with no
aspirations to take on the duties of a Rabbi? What would have been their
function?
Can anyone shed any light?

Best wishes,
Jean Fuhrer - nfuhrer@iu.net
Titusville, Florida


Hungary SIG #Hungary Surnames -- LANDSTEIN, UNK, FRIEDLANDER #hungary

Norman/Jean Fuhrer <nfuhrer@...>
 

Dear H-Siggers:

Our main focus has been on my husband's immediate family -- surname FUHRER
from (then, Natafalva, Hungary, now Nacina Ves, Slovakia). They also had a
presence in Ungvar, Hungary (now Uzhgorod, Ukraine).

His grandfather, Yitchak FUHRER's first wife was named Sylvia UNK. At first
we discounted the surname thinking that UNK meant unknown, but recently we
came across telephone listings of UNK's in the USA. Can anyone suggest the
origin of this name? Also, what is the Yiddish or Hebrew equivilent for
Sylvia?

Norman's mother, Rose BERKOWITZ, arrived in NYC >from Beregszazz, Hungary in
1910. She was accompanied by her cousin Pauline (Poli) LANDSTEIN. Is
anyone out there researching LANDSTEIN? Found this surname only in Poland,
not Hungary or the Ukraine.

Last on the wish list -- Yechiel FUHRER married Rachel FRIEDLANDER. She is
buried in the Spisske Podhradie Cemetery in Slovakia. Does anyone have any
information on FRIEDLANDER. We believe her father was a Rabbi.

Warm regards to all,
Jean Fuhrer - nfuhrer@iu.net
Titusville, Florida -- on Florida's Spacecoast


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Ordained Rabbi's in small villages #hungary

Norman/Jean Fuhrer <nfuhrer@...>
 

Can anyone tell us what the function of an ordained Rabbi would be in a
small village.

We had two Rabbi's in the FUHRER family. Norman's grandfather, Yitzchak
FUHRER, Natafalva, Hungary, was a Rabbi, was a tailor and owned a farm in
Natafalva (about 6 miles >from Nagy Mihaly, now Micholvce). Norman's uncle,
David FUHRER, who had smicha, was a schochet, as well as a clothes merchant/
peddler.

We know that David FUHRER did not practice as a Rabbi, we are not sure about
Yitzchak FUHRER. He was buried in 1919 in the Jewish Cemetery in Ungvar and
is listed in the Cemetery book as a Rabbi.

We do not yet know if there was a Synagogue in Natafalva. And we do not
believe either relative was a famous Rabbi. Would they have achieved this
distinction only because of their very Orthodox beliefs, with no
aspirations to take on the duties of a Rabbi? What would have been their
function?
Can anyone shed any light?

Best wishes,
Jean Fuhrer - nfuhrer@iu.net
Titusville, Florida


Re: Ordained Rabbi's in small villages #hungary

teddyg1@...
 

We had in my family Likever Rav (the Rabbi of Likew), Rabbi Moishe
Shoenfeld.
Anyone who can give us any information on this Rav and on the Village of Likev? We''ll be greatful.

Happy New Year,
Touvia (Teddy) Goldstein
Israel
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/1756
Looking for:
Names:Goldstein, Hibschman, Wohl, Berliner, Shoenfeld, Eisenberg, Riter
Towns in Slovakia: Orlich, Bodruzal, Stropko, Ortotowa, Ladomirova,
Michalowsce, Preshov, Svidnik


Re: Ordained Rabbi's in small villages #hungary

Peter I. Hidas <thidas@...>
 

Dear Jean,

I have some new info for you.
Natafalva, Nagymih=E1lyi j=E1r=E1s, Zempl=E9n megye
population:
1880: 1064
1910: 1033

Jewish population:
1840: 80 (7.3%)
1880: 163 (15.3%)
1910: 135 (13.1%)

Source: A zsido nepesseg szama telepulesenkent (1840-1941), Budapest:
Kozponti Statisztikai Hivatal, 1993.




--
Dr. Peter I. Hidas
thidas@sympatico.ca
peterhidas@yahoo.com

At my home page you can find some of my writings:
www3.sympatico.ca/thidas


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Ordained Rabbi's in small villages #hungary

teddyg1@...
 

We had in my family Likever Rav (the Rabbi of Likew), Rabbi Moishe
Shoenfeld.
Anyone who can give us any information on this Rav and on the Village of Likev? We''ll be greatful.

Happy New Year,
Touvia (Teddy) Goldstein
Israel
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/1756
Looking for:
Names:Goldstein, Hibschman, Wohl, Berliner, Shoenfeld, Eisenberg, Riter
Towns in Slovakia: Orlich, Bodruzal, Stropko, Ortotowa, Ladomirova,
Michalowsce, Preshov, Svidnik


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Ordained Rabbi's in small villages #hungary

Peter I. Hidas <thidas@...>
 

Dear Jean,

I have some new info for you.
Natafalva, Nagymih=E1lyi j=E1r=E1s, Zempl=E9n megye
population:
1880: 1064
1910: 1033

Jewish population:
1840: 80 (7.3%)
1880: 163 (15.3%)
1910: 135 (13.1%)

Source: A zsido nepesseg szama telepulesenkent (1840-1941), Budapest:
Kozponti Statisztikai Hivatal, 1993.




--
Dr. Peter I. Hidas
thidas@sympatico.ca
peterhidas@yahoo.com

At my home page you can find some of my writings:
www3.sympatico.ca/thidas


Ethical Question, Found Date Discrepany on Cemetary Headstone #general

Deborah Sterling
 

While checking the information on a Declaration of Intention and then
looking at a photo I took myself of an ancestor's headstone, I've made the
deduction that the headstone is in error. (off by 3 years for year of
birth). Since the declaration is much earlier in time,
was filled out in front of the live relative, vs the headstone, and the age
adds up correctly on the petition, I am fairly certain of this discrepancy.

Now, the question, do I tell the son and daughter of the deceased? They
are both elderly and I don't like upsetting them, but should they know
about this?
anyone else run into this situation??
Deborah


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ethical Question, Found Date Discrepany on Cemetary Headstone #general

Deborah Sterling
 

While checking the information on a Declaration of Intention and then
looking at a photo I took myself of an ancestor's headstone, I've made the
deduction that the headstone is in error. (off by 3 years for year of
birth). Since the declaration is much earlier in time,
was filled out in front of the live relative, vs the headstone, and the age
adds up correctly on the petition, I am fairly certain of this discrepancy.

Now, the question, do I tell the son and daughter of the deceased? They
are both elderly and I don't like upsetting them, but should they know
about this?
anyone else run into this situation??
Deborah


Siegel / Klimberg(er) #general

Bob Siegel <BobSiegel@...>
 

I've been researching my family for several months and am posting to see if
anyone is searching similar names.

Siegel: New York and Georgia, Joseph and Anna were
the original immigrants
Klimberg(er): New York and Ohio. Adolph and Catrina
were the immigrants for this side.

More information can be found at
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/i/e/Bob-Siegel/index.html

Bob
BobSiegel@charter.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Siegel / Klimberg(er) #general

Bob Siegel <BobSiegel@...>
 

I've been researching my family for several months and am posting to see if
anyone is searching similar names.

Siegel: New York and Georgia, Joseph and Anna were
the original immigrants
Klimberg(er): New York and Ohio. Adolph and Catrina
were the immigrants for this side.

More information can be found at
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/i/e/Bob-Siegel/index.html

Bob
BobSiegel@charter.net