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ZYWERT, SIEVERT/SIEWERT #general

mirek zywert <map@...>
 

G'Day All !

I'm looking for the information regarding my roots and want to find out
whether my ancestors could be Jewish....

Could somebody tell me please, whether they have ever come across any
Jewish people bearing the German(?) surname Sievert\Siewert or their
polonized(?), I'm told, version - Zywert.

Cheers,
Mirek Zywert
map@alphalink.com.au


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ZYWERT, SIEVERT/SIEWERT #general

mirek zywert <map@...>
 

G'Day All !

I'm looking for the information regarding my roots and want to find out
whether my ancestors could be Jewish....

Could somebody tell me please, whether they have ever come across any
Jewish people bearing the German(?) surname Sievert\Siewert or their
polonized(?), I'm told, version - Zywert.

Cheers,
Mirek Zywert
map@alphalink.com.au


Is Vaboilnik called Vabalninkas today? #general

Rica Goldberg
 

dear Genners

A relative in S.A. says that her grandparents came >from Vaboilnik.
Previously someone in that family said their ancestors had come from
Abolnik and when I put this out on JewishGen I was informed that this
is called Vabalninkas today. Is Vaboilnik another way of saying Abolnik?

Rica B Goldberg
Manchester England

Still researching the following:-
1)KAMINSKY (possibly KAMENSHCHIK) Yanova nr Kovno, 2) Nosson Eliazer,
Harris, Joseph and Sarah DIAMOND (possibly DIMONT or DIAMONT) >from Kovno,
Lithuania; 3) Newman, Emanuel, Rachel & Esther LEVY, Chana & Yehuda Lev
LEVY KROSNIEWICE in Poland; 4)Isaac & Rebecca COHEN - Poland; 5) Chaim
and Rebecca ESTRY - Poland; 6) GOLDBERG (possibly) SCHELENGER in Yiddish
SCHLUZITSIL) Vabalninkas, Lith.;7) BERLINSKY >from Charlottenburg, Berlin


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Is Vaboilnik called Vabalninkas today? #general

Rica Goldberg
 

dear Genners

A relative in S.A. says that her grandparents came >from Vaboilnik.
Previously someone in that family said their ancestors had come from
Abolnik and when I put this out on JewishGen I was informed that this
is called Vabalninkas today. Is Vaboilnik another way of saying Abolnik?

Rica B Goldberg
Manchester England

Still researching the following:-
1)KAMINSKY (possibly KAMENSHCHIK) Yanova nr Kovno, 2) Nosson Eliazer,
Harris, Joseph and Sarah DIAMOND (possibly DIMONT or DIAMONT) >from Kovno,
Lithuania; 3) Newman, Emanuel, Rachel & Esther LEVY, Chana & Yehuda Lev
LEVY KROSNIEWICE in Poland; 4)Isaac & Rebecca COHEN - Poland; 5) Chaim
and Rebecca ESTRY - Poland; 6) GOLDBERG (possibly) SCHELENGER in Yiddish
SCHLUZITSIL) Vabalninkas, Lith.;7) BERLINSKY >from Charlottenburg, Berlin


CROHN/CROWN Families from Szamocin, Prussia #usa

Kroll
 

The CROHN and the CROWN families were related, but their names were spelled
differently in the United States and GreatBritain. I suspect that there
might have also been KROHN relatives.

Morris CROHN, son of Meyer CROHN arrived in the United States in the late
1840s and apparently went on the Gold Rush. Theodore CROWN (born 1829)
arrived in Manchester, England prior to 1856 where his first daughter was
born. Morris CROHN's son was named Theodore so there is a thread of common
names. Also Morris CROHN's wife, Ernestine, stayed in Manchester with her
cousins, the CROWNs, on her way to the States with her three children in
the 1850s.

Szamocin, in Posen Provence, is now part of Poland and is probably under the
Polish SIG though I have never found reference to Szamocin in the e-mails.

I need help and advice on how I can trace the Crohn/Crown roots further back
until I find at least the common relative. Thanks in advance, Eliezer
Kroll, Israel.


Help in finding Los Angeles towns by # #general

Howard Zakai
 

Genners,
I've decided to write to the LA Cty Registrar/Recorder to obtain the
death certificates for my relatives. >from there I can get the cemetery
in which they are buried. The problem is I don't know what town within LA
Cty to put down on the application.

My grandfather had a brother Alex who was living in Gardena as of 1945 or
so. I don't know if he moved. He died in 1955. The California Death
Records online has his death in "Los Angeles (19)."

His uncle Nat was living in Hollywood as of 1945. He died in 1960 and the
records online have his deathplace in "Los Angeles (70)."

Would anyone happen to know the significance of these 2 digits?? Do they
stand for towns within LA Cty? Are they the last 2 digits of the relevant
zip code? I didn't know if these #'s were sufficient to put down for when
they conduct the search, so I figured I could try.

Thank you in advance. Regards,
Howie Zakai
Binghamton & Staten Island, NY


Early American SIG #USA CROHN/CROWN Families from Szamocin, Prussia #usa

Kroll
 

The CROHN and the CROWN families were related, but their names were spelled
differently in the United States and GreatBritain. I suspect that there
might have also been KROHN relatives.

Morris CROHN, son of Meyer CROHN arrived in the United States in the late
1840s and apparently went on the Gold Rush. Theodore CROWN (born 1829)
arrived in Manchester, England prior to 1856 where his first daughter was
born. Morris CROHN's son was named Theodore so there is a thread of common
names. Also Morris CROHN's wife, Ernestine, stayed in Manchester with her
cousins, the CROWNs, on her way to the States with her three children in
the 1850s.

Szamocin, in Posen Provence, is now part of Poland and is probably under the
Polish SIG though I have never found reference to Szamocin in the e-mails.

I need help and advice on how I can trace the Crohn/Crown roots further back
until I find at least the common relative. Thanks in advance, Eliezer
Kroll, Israel.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help in finding Los Angeles towns by # #general

Howard Zakai
 

Genners,
I've decided to write to the LA Cty Registrar/Recorder to obtain the
death certificates for my relatives. >from there I can get the cemetery
in which they are buried. The problem is I don't know what town within LA
Cty to put down on the application.

My grandfather had a brother Alex who was living in Gardena as of 1945 or
so. I don't know if he moved. He died in 1955. The California Death
Records online has his death in "Los Angeles (19)."

His uncle Nat was living in Hollywood as of 1945. He died in 1960 and the
records online have his deathplace in "Los Angeles (70)."

Would anyone happen to know the significance of these 2 digits?? Do they
stand for towns within LA Cty? Are they the last 2 digits of the relevant
zip code? I didn't know if these #'s were sufficient to put down for when
they conduct the search, so I figured I could try.

Thank you in advance. Regards,
Howie Zakai
Binghamton & Staten Island, NY


Ships passenger list #general

Maurice Hoffman <Rosie@...>
 

It would seem that the ships passenger list >from NARA is different from
Schedule B ( passenger list) held at the PRO, kew, UK. If this is the case
then we have 2 sources. The schedule is original and can be photcopied.
The modern series started in 1906. Check on www.pro.gov.uk
It would be interesting to hear >from anybody that has both copies relating
to the same person.

Maurice Hoffman
Wembley
UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ships passenger list #general

Maurice Hoffman <Rosie@...>
 

It would seem that the ships passenger list >from NARA is different from
Schedule B ( passenger list) held at the PRO, kew, UK. If this is the case
then we have 2 sources. The schedule is original and can be photcopied.
The modern series started in 1906. Check on www.pro.gov.uk
It would be interesting to hear >from anybody that has both copies relating
to the same person.

Maurice Hoffman
Wembley
UK


NYC Marriage Record Info/Skalat, thank you! #poland

Pamela Weisberger <thewks@...>
 

Just wanted to thank all the genners who took the time to write and let me
know that the town I was looking for in Galicia was not Shalat, but rather
"SKALAT."

Upon closer examination of my grandparents' marriage certificate, I can see
that what looked like an "h" was actually a "k" with the ink very faded!
(Lesson #1 (which I knew, but forgot)--always consider handwriting
variations, substitute spellings!)

I also wanted to share how (relatively) simple it is to obtain copies of
these marraige certificates >from the New York City Archives, and what a
wealth of information they contain: the names and street addresses of the
bride and groom, the city and country of their birth, their fathers' names,
maiden names of their mothers, the name and address of the person who
married them, and the place of their wedding ceremony! (And since it was
filled out in my grandfather's own hand, the information should be fairly
reliable.) Even if you already have other records (naturalization papers,
census documents, birth certificates) there are always discrepancies that
pop up, and having many different sources is useful.

For example: my grandmother's birth certificate gives her name as RACHEL
BESSER born in 1899. We always knew her as "ROSE LEE," and her 1919
marriage certificate gives her name as "ROSE LEONA" and her age as "22 years
old" -- two years older than she really was! We knew she didn't like her
"birth name", but did she decide to call herself Rose, or did her parents?
(She has five or six cousins named "Rose" so we guess that another
grandmother/greatgrandmother back in Poland was named "Rachel") Her middle
name was after her grandmother, Laia (Leah)
but did her parents choose "Leona" or did she? The most interesting thing
was that my mother is named "Laone" and she was always told the name came
from a French novel, but only now--75 years later--did she learn that her
own mother had used (or been given) a similar name. It's these surprises
that genealogist welcome. They're what makes the hunt so much fun!

The age question is interesting too. Did she lie about her age to her
husband-to-be, or did he simply get flustered on the day of the wedding?
(She always was proud to talk about being born in the last year of the 19th
century so we doubt the former.) We also learned that the "reverend" (who we
take to be a cantor allowed to officiate at weddings) marrying them had the
same last name as my grandfather. Another road to follow! And while the
census, and ship's records usually contain only a country of birth, this
record gives a city too. Invaluable!

Although we had a date of this marriage, I believe that the records >from
1866-1930 are indexed by name alone, and they will do one five year search
per request, so its worth a try. Even relatives who migrated elsewhere in
the US might have been married in New York City. The address is:

Dept. of Rocords & Information Services, Municipal Archives
31 Chambers St.
New York, NY 10007
(212) 788-8580

And forms can be downloaded from:
www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/doris/html/8marfrm.html

Happy hunting!

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica,CA
thewks@hotmail.com
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JRI Poland #Poland NYC Marriage Record Info/Skalat, thank you! #poland

Pamela Weisberger <thewks@...>
 

Just wanted to thank all the genners who took the time to write and let me
know that the town I was looking for in Galicia was not Shalat, but rather
"SKALAT."

Upon closer examination of my grandparents' marriage certificate, I can see
that what looked like an "h" was actually a "k" with the ink very faded!
(Lesson #1 (which I knew, but forgot)--always consider handwriting
variations, substitute spellings!)

I also wanted to share how (relatively) simple it is to obtain copies of
these marraige certificates >from the New York City Archives, and what a
wealth of information they contain: the names and street addresses of the
bride and groom, the city and country of their birth, their fathers' names,
maiden names of their mothers, the name and address of the person who
married them, and the place of their wedding ceremony! (And since it was
filled out in my grandfather's own hand, the information should be fairly
reliable.) Even if you already have other records (naturalization papers,
census documents, birth certificates) there are always discrepancies that
pop up, and having many different sources is useful.

For example: my grandmother's birth certificate gives her name as RACHEL
BESSER born in 1899. We always knew her as "ROSE LEE," and her 1919
marriage certificate gives her name as "ROSE LEONA" and her age as "22 years
old" -- two years older than she really was! We knew she didn't like her
"birth name", but did she decide to call herself Rose, or did her parents?
(She has five or six cousins named "Rose" so we guess that another
grandmother/greatgrandmother back in Poland was named "Rachel") Her middle
name was after her grandmother, Laia (Leah)
but did her parents choose "Leona" or did she? The most interesting thing
was that my mother is named "Laone" and she was always told the name came
from a French novel, but only now--75 years later--did she learn that her
own mother had used (or been given) a similar name. It's these surprises
that genealogist welcome. They're what makes the hunt so much fun!

The age question is interesting too. Did she lie about her age to her
husband-to-be, or did he simply get flustered on the day of the wedding?
(She always was proud to talk about being born in the last year of the 19th
century so we doubt the former.) We also learned that the "reverend" (who we
take to be a cantor allowed to officiate at weddings) marrying them had the
same last name as my grandfather. Another road to follow! And while the
census, and ship's records usually contain only a country of birth, this
record gives a city too. Invaluable!

Although we had a date of this marriage, I believe that the records >from
1866-1930 are indexed by name alone, and they will do one five year search
per request, so its worth a try. Even relatives who migrated elsewhere in
the US might have been married in New York City. The address is:

Dept. of Rocords & Information Services, Municipal Archives
31 Chambers St.
New York, NY 10007
(212) 788-8580

And forms can be downloaded from:
www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/doris/html/8marfrm.html

Happy hunting!

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica,CA
thewks@hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com


Re: Surname ROGOWAY OR ROGAWAY #general

Bud484BG@...
 

This is in response to the posting for the surname Rogoway/Rogaway in the
Portland Oregon area? I lost the posting but if whoever the searcher is
would contact me privately, I may have some pertinent information.

Beatrice Markel
EMail: bud484bg@aol.com


Re: Sprintze #general

Ury Link <uryl@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Herb Sollinger wrote:
Sprintze is, in fact, derived >from the Spanish name "Esperanza",
which means hope.
Whether or not it is directly fom the Sephardic is a matter of
conjecture. The Spanish expulsion of the Jews occurred in 1492.
They became a Diaspora all over the Mediterranean area and did
blend with Askenazi Jews in areas, so Esperanza might change
into Sprintze over time, and then into Hope, in English speaking
areas.
Allowe me please to send a few notes to the letter above. It is not a
discussion that the name Esperanza a Spanish name is and it mean hope.
But the origin of this name is the Latin name Speranza and the root is
Sperare what also mean Hope (it can also come perhaps >from the Latin word
Sperata what mean a Bride or a loved one ). Most of us think that the
name Sprintze is derived >from the Spanish name Esperanza, but I don't
thing so, the name is derived >from the Latin or >from the France. On a
tomb in the Jewish cemetry in Frankfurt am Main in Germany it is a women
name Shpriniz >from the year 1354 (138 year before the expulsion of the
Jews >from Spain).

There is no proof that the Jews women in Spain before the expulsion used
the name Esperanza. In his monumental work of Jean Regne: "History of
the Jews in Aragon, Regesta and Documents 1213 - 1327" (Jerusalem, 1978),
he lists 3456 documents >from the archives in Aragon with thousands of
Jewish names, but not one name of a women is the name Esperanza.
In other books on the same period that I have in my home and also in
a data base that I have, I don't find the name Esperanza as a Jewish
Spanish name before the expulsion. Paul Levy in his book "Les nomes des
Israelites en France" (Paris 1960) he also mention that the name Sprinze
was in use in Germany in the 13th century (he finds it 4 times). In my
humble opinion I think that this name came >from Germany and after this
to Eastern Europe not >from Spain but >from Italy or perhaps >from South
of France through the Latin language. Also in France the Jews didn't
use this name in the period before 1500 according my knowledge today.
The name in Latin is Speranza and in France Esperance. Another
question was >from one of the members if a Ashkenazi user of the name
Sprintze is a >from a Sepharadic origin. I think that I give the answer
in my letter above. In my opinion is the bearer of this name a Ashkenazi
Jew.

Best regards
Ury Link
Amsterdam
Holland


Beth-El Cemetery, Chicago #general

Mimi Katz <geveret@...>
 

In the course of trying to locate graves at Beth-El Cemetery (Pulaski Ave.
south of Peterson), I was given a map of the grounds that includes the
names of all those buried there. If anyone would like a look-up, please
contact me privately at the email address below.

Please do not reply to sender. Email address has been altered to avoid
spam. The correct email address is below.
Mimi Katz, Chicago
geveretk@core.com


Inquiries to the JewishGen Discussion Group #general

Stephen A. Cohen
 

In the current digest there are several messages that contain almost no
data. Some messages don't even include the members name.

May I make some suggestions, before you write to the membership you should
always check FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions), JGFF (JewishGen Family
Finder), FTJP (Family Tree of the Jewish People) as your answer may have
already been researched by another member.

JewishGen is a warm and friendly organization and we like to know who we
are writing to. Most members prefer to write to "Dear Richard" rather
than "Dear Mr. or Ms."

When you write to the JewishGen digest, a SIG digest or to a member, you
should clearly identify yourself. Always shown your name, city, state
and country at the beginning or the end of the message.

Members should do this for two purposes, normal courtesy and to improve
the quality of responses. If I know that a member is in Israel, I
wouldn't recommend that he or she seek help at an LDS center, because
the Mormon Church has no branches in Israel. Likewise, if someone is
not in the US, recommending US sources doesn't help much.

Members who live in major cities have many more sources of data than
those who live in small towns with only the Internet to fall back on.
Where a member lives, may alter a suggested response.

May I also make another suggestion, you will greatly increase the number
of your responses, if whenever you write to the JewishGen digest or a SIG
bulletin, if you would include a list of the families and towns you are
researching after your signature. This should also be done when you first
write to another member or if you've not been in touch with that member in
several months.

You may have written concerning, let us say GOLDMAN, but if a member sees
a name or place of interest in your signature listing, that member will
also respond on that subject.

The General Bulletin & the SIG bulletins are both stored in two separate
searchable archives. Your signature line showing those names and places
will generate responses, sometimes years later.

The more hits we receive to each inquiry or responses to our own answers,
greatly increases our own knowledge and sources of information.

Best regards,

Stephen A. Cohen
Coordinator: Vilieka Uyezd (district) of Belarus

PS: I am researching the following families:
Germany:BAUM in Bosen;EISENKRAMER,MARX & LEFEVRE,
LEFEBRE:Rhineland Palat//Belarus:BASIST - Lida Dist; SHINHAUS, SHEINHOUS,
SHEINHAUS,SHEINGAUS in Radoshkovichi, Molodechno
in the Vilieka Dist// Galicia:BIRNBAUM,GOLDBERG,LEINKRAM in Krakow;
SCHNEPS,SHNEPS,SZNEPS in Dembitz,Tarnow; GELLER:in Mielec; KREINDLER; ECKSTEIN;

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen does have "Rules and Guidelines"
for the Discussion Group. You can read these at <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/rules.htm>.
Much of Mr. Cohen's suggestions are not only common sense,
but are part of the "Guidelines."


The surname 'WHITE', or similar #general

robert.gleek <robert.gleek@...>
 

I am looking for family in new York and Paris with the surname White.
They may have either come >from either Warsaw or Vilnius.
The name was originally Weitzensang, or similar.
The names Maurice, Freda and Nathan may also run in the family.
Yours in anticipation,
Daniel Gleek
ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com

Also looking for:
DORF / DOFF - >from Lomza to London & New York
HERMAN - >from Kolo to London & New York
KUPCHIK / COOPTCHICK - >from Odessa to London & USA
ISOW / ISOWITSKY - >from Odessa to London
GLEEK / GLICK - >from Riga to UK , RSA & Palestine
GLICKMAN / GLUKMAN - >from Warsaw to London & Belgium


Cooks County & Other Illinois Archives at IRAD! #general

Phyllis Kramer <phylliskramer1@...>
 

Recently there was a question about Chicago (Cooks County)
Archives. I have had wonderful success with the IRAD (the
Illinois Regional Archives Depository) for many counties in
Illinois. IRAD has vital records, divorce, residence, real
property, personal property, naturalizations, estates, school
attendance, court actions, paupers, professions. Most, but not
all, of their records begin with 1877. Call or write for their
informational handouts and lists of the documents for
the county you are interested in...IRAD Information Services,
.Illinois State Archives, Springfield, IL 62756; telephone
(217) 785-1266. When you request a search, there are limitations,
but they will search the soundex for the name and if found, send
you the info - the cost is minimal.

Happy Hunting!
Phyllis phylliskramer1@att.net Savannah,Ga & Wilton,Ct
searching..
KRAMER, BEIM, WISNER >from JASIENICA ROSIELNA (galicia)
STECHER, STECKLER, TRACHMAN, GOETZ, KORNREICH >from ZMIGROD,
DUKLA, RYMANOW (galicia)
SCHEINER, SCHIMMEL, KANDEL >from DUBIECKO, STRZYZOW (galicia)
LINDNER, EICHEL, BERLIN >from ROHATYN (galicia, now ukraine &
Iasi, Romania) GUMBRECHT, ZIEGLER, PANTELEON >from HANNOVER (Germany)


Hebrew Cemetery, Norfolk, Virginia #general

Jfpol <jfpol@...>
 

If anyone could help me out with the address and phone number for the
office; or archival record repository for Hebrew Cemetery, Norfolk,
Virginia. I'm seeking information about the WESTHEIMER family buried
there. I have tried some internet web sites but have not been successful.

Sincerely, Joan Pollak, Merion, Pa.

MODERATOR NOTE: There is information on Norfolk cemeteries
on the International Jewish Cemetery Project web site.
The Virginia page can be accessed at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/Cemetery/northamerica/us/virginia.html>.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Surname ROGOWAY OR ROGAWAY #general

Bud484BG@...
 

This is in response to the posting for the surname Rogoway/Rogaway in the
Portland Oregon area? I lost the posting but if whoever the searcher is
would contact me privately, I may have some pertinent information.

Beatrice Markel
EMail: bud484bg@aol.com