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Searching:TETENBAUM/POGREBETSKY #general

SandraLa@...
 

Mordechai POGREBETSKY, mgreat uncle, was born in Novoukrainka, Ukraine,
and died in Winnipeg, Canada, 1945. His wife was Bella TETENBAUM. Looking
for any information regarding these people.

I have already searched the Jewishgen data bases and have had no response
from the one Tetenbaum researcher listed. I am familiar with the excellent
Winnipeg Genealogy web site, but hope that someone on the SIG would
recognize these names.

TIA,

Sandra Glazer Lake
Bellevue, WA
sandrala@...


searching: CHMELNITSKY/POGREBETSKY/SWETT-Novoukrainka to Winnipeg
GLAZER/GLASER/GLESER-Skopichok, Suvainichok, Kovna Gubernia To
New Haven Ct, Bellingham Wa


Esther BECKER circa 1888 m. Isodore KRAITZ; desc. & info sought #general

Mindream <mindream@...>
 

Generation No. 1
1. Esther BECKER was born Abt. 1888 before emigration
Possibly from
issued NY. d/o Morris BECKER ( possible original spelling BACHER) father
homesteaded with family and unknown
first name of Stepmother in VA near Richmond area.
mother name unknown after birth of Louis b. 1890 bef or during emigration
had an older brother named Jack who emigrated with her as well.
half siblings Rae, Abe And Mary

She married Isodore KRAITZ.
Children of Esther BECKER and Isidore KRAITZ are:
2. i. Zachary KRAITZ.
ii. Lillian KRAITZ.
iii. Minerva KRAITZ.
iv. Leonard KRAITZ, m. Norma.
v. Carol KRAITZ.
vi. Calvin KRAITZ, d. November 10, 1944, Missing in action or buried at sea
WWll.

Generation No. 2
2. Zachary KRAITZ He married Ann
Child of Zachary KRAITZ and Ann is:
i. Eileen m. UNKN.

Godbless
Lorri French
Converse TX


ba'al #general

Matt Friedman <rabbi@...>
 

The term ba'al (masculine) literally means owner or master. The
variant terms mean owner of a business , trustees or leaders of a
synagogue or community entity or husband. In modern Hebrew some women
have begun to use alternative words for ba'al as they find the concept
even linguisticly, of being "owned" to be offensive.
It is also used to indicate expertise such as a ba'al kriyah, one
who is a Torah reader in the synagogue. There are many constructs with
the word. Alkali's Hebrew-English dictionary has over 100. It could be
used on a tombstone to describe either a persons' occupation or
attributes. In the case initially mentioned, "ba'alah Moshe," the term
was used to describe her as wife of Moshe.
This question is an excellent example of how the study of Jewish
genealogy leads to learning about much more than names and dates. One
needed become an expert Hebraist to be a good genealogist, but by
learning even small bits of Hebraic or other Judaic knowledge we become
richer in understanding who we are and where we came from...and that is
the true reason for our work.
May your endeavers not make you exceedingly "ba'al shivah" (gray
haired), but "Ba'al simcha," (one who celebrates), or perhaps even a
"ba'al neis" (miracle worker).

Matt Friedman
MANN, FRIEDMAN: Horodenka and Yosenov Polny, Ukraine
SPIEGEL, SCHAEFFER (and variants) Sniatyn, Tuleva, Ukraine
LITVANOVSKY, Raczki, Poland
KASPER, Brooklyn, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching:TETENBAUM/POGREBETSKY #general

SandraLa@...
 

Mordechai POGREBETSKY, mgreat uncle, was born in Novoukrainka, Ukraine,
and died in Winnipeg, Canada, 1945. His wife was Bella TETENBAUM. Looking
for any information regarding these people.

I have already searched the Jewishgen data bases and have had no response
from the one Tetenbaum researcher listed. I am familiar with the excellent
Winnipeg Genealogy web site, but hope that someone on the SIG would
recognize these names.

TIA,

Sandra Glazer Lake
Bellevue, WA
sandrala@...


searching: CHMELNITSKY/POGREBETSKY/SWETT-Novoukrainka to Winnipeg
GLAZER/GLASER/GLESER-Skopichok, Suvainichok, Kovna Gubernia To
New Haven Ct, Bellingham Wa


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Esther BECKER circa 1888 m. Isodore KRAITZ; desc. & info sought #general

Mindream <mindream@...>
 

Generation No. 1
1. Esther BECKER was born Abt. 1888 before emigration
Possibly from
issued NY. d/o Morris BECKER ( possible original spelling BACHER) father
homesteaded with family and unknown
first name of Stepmother in VA near Richmond area.
mother name unknown after birth of Louis b. 1890 bef or during emigration
had an older brother named Jack who emigrated with her as well.
half siblings Rae, Abe And Mary

She married Isodore KRAITZ.
Children of Esther BECKER and Isidore KRAITZ are:
2. i. Zachary KRAITZ.
ii. Lillian KRAITZ.
iii. Minerva KRAITZ.
iv. Leonard KRAITZ, m. Norma.
v. Carol KRAITZ.
vi. Calvin KRAITZ, d. November 10, 1944, Missing in action or buried at sea
WWll.

Generation No. 2
2. Zachary KRAITZ He married Ann
Child of Zachary KRAITZ and Ann is:
i. Eileen m. UNKN.

Godbless
Lorri French
Converse TX


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ba'al #general

Matt Friedman <rabbi@...>
 

The term ba'al (masculine) literally means owner or master. The
variant terms mean owner of a business , trustees or leaders of a
synagogue or community entity or husband. In modern Hebrew some women
have begun to use alternative words for ba'al as they find the concept
even linguisticly, of being "owned" to be offensive.
It is also used to indicate expertise such as a ba'al kriyah, one
who is a Torah reader in the synagogue. There are many constructs with
the word. Alkali's Hebrew-English dictionary has over 100. It could be
used on a tombstone to describe either a persons' occupation or
attributes. In the case initially mentioned, "ba'alah Moshe," the term
was used to describe her as wife of Moshe.
This question is an excellent example of how the study of Jewish
genealogy leads to learning about much more than names and dates. One
needed become an expert Hebraist to be a good genealogist, but by
learning even small bits of Hebraic or other Judaic knowledge we become
richer in understanding who we are and where we came from...and that is
the true reason for our work.
May your endeavers not make you exceedingly "ba'al shivah" (gray
haired), but "Ba'al simcha," (one who celebrates), or perhaps even a
"ba'al neis" (miracle worker).

Matt Friedman
MANN, FRIEDMAN: Horodenka and Yosenov Polny, Ukraine
SPIEGEL, SCHAEFFER (and variants) Sniatyn, Tuleva, Ukraine
LITVANOVSKY, Raczki, Poland
KASPER, Brooklyn, USA


USA Passports (Chicago/New York/Toronto) #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

It's been a few years since I have thought to learn about my family by
checking out passport applications. I have three questions:

1. Would a naturalized American citizen need a passport in 1915
to go >from Chicago to Toronto (or New York to Toronto)?

2. Would a native-born American need a passport for the same journey?

3. I recall that it is very difficult to find passport applications,
but that they are very informative. Has anyone had success
finding a passport application??

Dan

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
Springfield, Ohio USA
Poland: TALMAN, ENGLANDER, JURKIEWICZ, STRAUSBERG, KIFER, CZAPNIK, BRODA
Ukraine: OBERMAN-HOBERMAN-GUBERMAN, LISS, SOBLE-SOBEL, STEIN, AXMAN
Turkey: KAZEZ-KAZES, ALHADEF-ELHADEF, FRESKO-FRESCO, HABIB
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/fam/ent/fam.html


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen USA Passports (Chicago/New York/Toronto) #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

It's been a few years since I have thought to learn about my family by
checking out passport applications. I have three questions:

1. Would a naturalized American citizen need a passport in 1915
to go >from Chicago to Toronto (or New York to Toronto)?

2. Would a native-born American need a passport for the same journey?

3. I recall that it is very difficult to find passport applications,
but that they are very informative. Has anyone had success
finding a passport application??

Dan

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
Springfield, Ohio USA
Poland: TALMAN, ENGLANDER, JURKIEWICZ, STRAUSBERG, KIFER, CZAPNIK, BRODA
Ukraine: OBERMAN-HOBERMAN-GUBERMAN, LISS, SOBLE-SOBEL, STEIN, AXMAN
Turkey: KAZEZ-KAZES, ALHADEF-ELHADEF, FRESKO-FRESCO, HABIB
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/fam/ent/fam.html


CENSII #hungary

Alex Miller <AMiller@...>
 

Hello Friends,

Perhaps this is a question of semantics only, but I for one, am not
clear about the various types of censii taken in Hungary.

In 1869 the general census is referred to as : Nepszamlalas(people
counting)
In 1828 the tax census is called :Orszagos Osszeiras(national
compilation)=20
In 1785/1798 the tax census is: Ado Osszeiras(Tax compilation)

Is the explanation perhaps that hteses terms are used loosely and
interchangeably, or is there some significance concerning their
contents?


Best Regards,

Alex Miller
Reading, PA

mod.- the word "hteses" in the third paragraph means something in a language that I am not familiar with or it could be a typing error
and the word should read censuses(sic!)LS


Hungary SIG #Hungary CENSII #hungary

Alex Miller <AMiller@...>
 

Hello Friends,

Perhaps this is a question of semantics only, but I for one, am not
clear about the various types of censii taken in Hungary.

In 1869 the general census is referred to as : Nepszamlalas(people
counting)
In 1828 the tax census is called :Orszagos Osszeiras(national
compilation)=20
In 1785/1798 the tax census is: Ado Osszeiras(Tax compilation)

Is the explanation perhaps that hteses terms are used loosely and
interchangeably, or is there some significance concerning their
contents?


Best Regards,

Alex Miller
Reading, PA

mod.- the word "hteses" in the third paragraph means something in a language that I am not familiar with or it could be a typing error
and the word should read censuses(sic!)LS


Re: fonts for PCs and Macx #hungary

SVass@...
 

A number of people requested various fonts. Many are available at no cost at
the following location.

Yamada Language Center Font Archive at
http://babel.uoregon.edu/yamada/fonts.html

Sam Vass
Kent, WA, USA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: fonts for PCs and Macx #hungary

SVass@...
 

A number of people requested various fonts. Many are available at no cost at
the following location.

Yamada Language Center Font Archive at
http://babel.uoregon.edu/yamada/fonts.html

Sam Vass
Kent, WA, USA


Re: Subject Lines; Pro's and Con's #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 2/7/01 5:36:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mleonards@... writes:

<< -- I surmise that many (most?) e-mail programs do not distinguish
between Jewishgen discussion group postings and messages sent directly
to the reader. Messrs. Bernet and Metz may argue that one should
always include a precise subject line. While that is undoubtedly good
advice, I think there is an unconscious tendency to be less formal when
one is writing to an individual, than when broadcasting a request to
thousands. And if Messrs. Bernet and Metz were aware that these
inquiries were addressed directly to them, they might be less inclined
to delete even vaguely titled messages. >>

Well put.

But we're losing the whole point. We have two choices: write subject lines
that will be productive for us, or write complaints about "them" for bing too
rude by not bothering to open your message.

BTW: I've jsut spent 4 hours helping genealogists on line, sending on family
trees, offereing information, locating a missing town, making sense of a
German birth certificate, soothing an expert whose feelings had been hurt (by
someone else). I don't think mine is rude behavior. Anad at the same time, I
deleted 107 messages that did not interest me (>from the 21 lists that I
subscribe to dealing with literature, Judaism, psychology, statistics,
photography).

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


re;nasty replies and unread deleted e-mails #general

dov & varda epstein <yknow@...>
 

I had 11 replies thus far for my posting, 10 were so heartwarming that
I am experiencing,"afterglow". The only negative response was >from the
person that had been so rude in the first place, that reply read; your
message was refused by the recipient and is returned unopened.

Thank you all and I fully intend to reply to each and every one of you
personally.

Varda Epstein
yknow@...

Researching: KOPELMAN, JANOFSKY/YANOVSKI, ( Wasilieshki )
SCHAFFER,SAKUTSKY,( VIlna Guberniya),
EPSTEIN ( Tilsit/Oest Prussia ), MENDELSOHN, MEYERS,
OSTROFSKY, RODAK, ROSENTHAL, MOKSEL( Raczanes )


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Subject Lines; Pro's and Con's #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 2/7/01 5:36:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mleonards@... writes:

<< -- I surmise that many (most?) e-mail programs do not distinguish
between Jewishgen discussion group postings and messages sent directly
to the reader. Messrs. Bernet and Metz may argue that one should
always include a precise subject line. While that is undoubtedly good
advice, I think there is an unconscious tendency to be less formal when
one is writing to an individual, than when broadcasting a request to
thousands. And if Messrs. Bernet and Metz were aware that these
inquiries were addressed directly to them, they might be less inclined
to delete even vaguely titled messages. >>

Well put.

But we're losing the whole point. We have two choices: write subject lines
that will be productive for us, or write complaints about "them" for bing too
rude by not bothering to open your message.

BTW: I've jsut spent 4 hours helping genealogists on line, sending on family
trees, offereing information, locating a missing town, making sense of a
German birth certificate, soothing an expert whose feelings had been hurt (by
someone else). I don't think mine is rude behavior. Anad at the same time, I
deleted 107 messages that did not interest me (>from the 21 lists that I
subscribe to dealing with literature, Judaism, psychology, statistics,
photography).

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re;nasty replies and unread deleted e-mails #general

dov & varda epstein <yknow@...>
 

I had 11 replies thus far for my posting, 10 were so heartwarming that
I am experiencing,"afterglow". The only negative response was >from the
person that had been so rude in the first place, that reply read; your
message was refused by the recipient and is returned unopened.

Thank you all and I fully intend to reply to each and every one of you
personally.

Varda Epstein
yknow@...

Researching: KOPELMAN, JANOFSKY/YANOVSKI, ( Wasilieshki )
SCHAFFER,SAKUTSKY,( VIlna Guberniya),
EPSTEIN ( Tilsit/Oest Prussia ), MENDELSOHN, MEYERS,
OSTROFSKY, RODAK, ROSENTHAL, MOKSEL( Raczanes )


Re: Subject Lines; Pro's and Con's #general

Sally M. Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

We are all free to read every email or throw them all away. Obviously we
prefer that ours be read. Many of the readers of this and other mailing
lists want to be helpful to others when possible. When there is a specific
and meaningful subject line, it is easier for the more discriminating, shall
we say, reader to decide what is helpful for them or what the reader can
help with. When I see a subject line about a town name in Romania (for
example), I usually will not read it because I know nothing about Romania or
Romanian.

Many readers, however, try to be helpful and read the 'general' subject
messages. If you say, "Help is needed", many people will not
bother-hopefully some will realize that the writer does not know to write
more specific information. Sometimes it is necessary to ask things like,
"What is the surname and where did they come >from in what year" because
there are no specifics at all. But even that answer is helpful to someone
who does not even know what question to ask. Think of the 4 Questions at
Passover.

So I agree that Judith Hamilton-we can help each other regardless of the
subject line. Maybe by deleting a message unread, we are throwing away a
cousin with the long-sought key to the xyz family which you have in common.
And please keep trying to post messages for help! Many of us try to help
even if some want to delete everything that will not help the reader. Do
not be discouraged by what seems intimidating. I know people have sometimes
corrected the public for not saying Thank you or even responding to a
message. If I can help, that is enough for me. I don't need a Thank You,
but of course I like one. If I write an answer when I'm busy or distracted,
it might just say "It's available at the LDS Library." I don't intend to be
'short' even if I am (5 foot 2-I can't do any better ;-)).

So please remember, we are all different. What one will delete unread, many
others will read. Some will have an answer or maybe just a suggestion of
where to look. Sometimes there is no answer-as my 2nd gr uncle who said he
was born in Gagelsdorf and apparently there is none! Just keep trying. And
if you give your city, we will make better suggestions!

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Subject Lines; Pro's and Con's #general

Sally M. Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

We are all free to read every email or throw them all away. Obviously we
prefer that ours be read. Many of the readers of this and other mailing
lists want to be helpful to others when possible. When there is a specific
and meaningful subject line, it is easier for the more discriminating, shall
we say, reader to decide what is helpful for them or what the reader can
help with. When I see a subject line about a town name in Romania (for
example), I usually will not read it because I know nothing about Romania or
Romanian.

Many readers, however, try to be helpful and read the 'general' subject
messages. If you say, "Help is needed", many people will not
bother-hopefully some will realize that the writer does not know to write
more specific information. Sometimes it is necessary to ask things like,
"What is the surname and where did they come >from in what year" because
there are no specifics at all. But even that answer is helpful to someone
who does not even know what question to ask. Think of the 4 Questions at
Passover.

So I agree that Judith Hamilton-we can help each other regardless of the
subject line. Maybe by deleting a message unread, we are throwing away a
cousin with the long-sought key to the xyz family which you have in common.
And please keep trying to post messages for help! Many of us try to help
even if some want to delete everything that will not help the reader. Do
not be discouraged by what seems intimidating. I know people have sometimes
corrected the public for not saying Thank you or even responding to a
message. If I can help, that is enough for me. I don't need a Thank You,
but of course I like one. If I write an answer when I'm busy or distracted,
it might just say "It's available at the LDS Library." I don't intend to be
'short' even if I am (5 foot 2-I can't do any better ;-)).

So please remember, we are all different. What one will delete unread, many
others will read. Some will have an answer or maybe just a suggestion of
where to look. Sometimes there is no answer-as my 2nd gr uncle who said he
was born in Gagelsdorf and apparently there is none! Just keep trying. And
if you give your city, we will make better suggestions!

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


Searching for historical Photos of the Krefelder Jewish Cemeteries #general

Aubrey Pomerance <pom@...>
 

Hello,
I am a research assistant at the Salomon Ludwig Steinheim Institute for
German-Jewish History in Duisburg, Germany and am presently preparing
together with the Director of the institute, Professor Dr. Michael
Brocke, a documentation of the old Jewish cemetery in Krefeld in the
Heideckestrasse for publication, to be followed by documentations of the
newer cemetery in the Gladbacher Strassee and the cemeteries of Huels
and Linn. To date we have only been able to locate and obtain one single
photograph of the old cemetery taken before the war. I thus would like
to direct my query to you and your list, in the hope that perhaps
someone may be in possession of historical photographs of any of the
Krefelder cemeteries and kindly make them available to us. I hope you
can post our search and our contact addresses. (PS I am not a subscriber
of the list, will this be necessary in order to obtain any possible
answers?)
Many thanks,

Aubrey Pomerance M.A.
Salomon Ludwig Steinheim Institut
Geibelstrasse 41
47057 Duisburg
Tel.: 0203 / 370071
Fax: 0203 / 373380
email: pom@...

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for historical Photos of the Krefelder Jewish Cemeteries #general

Aubrey Pomerance <pom@...>
 

Hello,
I am a research assistant at the Salomon Ludwig Steinheim Institute for
German-Jewish History in Duisburg, Germany and am presently preparing
together with the Director of the institute, Professor Dr. Michael
Brocke, a documentation of the old Jewish cemetery in Krefeld in the
Heideckestrasse for publication, to be followed by documentations of the
newer cemetery in the Gladbacher Strassee and the cemeteries of Huels
and Linn. To date we have only been able to locate and obtain one single
photograph of the old cemetery taken before the war. I thus would like
to direct my query to you and your list, in the hope that perhaps
someone may be in possession of historical photographs of any of the
Krefelder cemeteries and kindly make them available to us. I hope you
can post our search and our contact addresses. (PS I am not a subscriber
of the list, will this be necessary in order to obtain any possible
answers?)
Many thanks,

Aubrey Pomerance M.A.
Salomon Ludwig Steinheim Institut
Geibelstrasse 41
47057 Duisburg
Tel.: 0203 / 370071
Fax: 0203 / 373380
email: pom@...

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a message. Both subscribers and non-subscribers may post by mailing their
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