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Ha-aretz genealogy service #lithuania

Eitan Levy <moranl@...>
 

The article 'Haaretz.com launches innovative Jewish genealogy
service' in today's online version of the English edition of the
Israel Haaretz newspaper may be of interest to Litvaksiggers.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/961288.html

Eitan Levy


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Ha-aretz genealogy service #lithuania

Eitan Levy <moranl@...>
 

The article 'Haaretz.com launches innovative Jewish genealogy
service' in today's online version of the English edition of the
Israel Haaretz newspaper may be of interest to Litvaksiggers.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/961288.html

Eitan Levy


Haaretz.com launches innovative Jewish genealogy service #poland

ellen moshenberg
 

Haaretz.com launches innovative Jewish genealogy service

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/961288.html

Ellen Moshenberg


JRI Poland #Poland Haaretz.com launches innovative Jewish genealogy service #poland

ellen moshenberg
 

Haaretz.com launches innovative Jewish genealogy service

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/961288.html

Ellen Moshenberg


Re: last Name: SACHER #ukraine

Avi K. <u.sisraeli@...>
 

Dear Mr. Cohen; Genenrs, ]

As a linguist who's into multiple languages I can't help but write this:

Sacher sounds so closely-related to Zacher (the Romanian word for :
Sugar). Also, in German, the word: Zucker (pronounced: Tsuker) means same.
It would also make sense on a geographical level (with Russia borering
Romania & occupying part of its land-which changes hands back & forth-i.e:
Bessarabia or better known as modern-day Moldavia). Germany has also ruled
portions of Romania & has had a significant cultural history & influence
over the Russian life, as well as, some of its citizens living in Russia!
So, this name would be like the last name: Sugarman (Zuckerman) without the
man...!

Bottom line: it sounds like a Romanized German name "transferred"
(migrating) to Russia (or, passively "getting there" without doing much of
anything-just by virtue of changing/redrafting or rezoning of borders, after
the world wars).

Personally, I do not think that this last name is an abbreviation of
anything. The only name that comes to mind (& do not know if it is
Jewsih)-which may sound a longer version of Sacher is: Sacharov/Sacharoff.

Avishalom (Avi) Klammer
from Bat-Yam, Israel to Oakland, CA, U.S.A.
With Klammer roots in Iasi, Romania, Austria/Austo-Hungary (?!?)
& Levitt roots in Moldova/Bessarabia & Ukraine
(Moghilov/Moghilev Podolsk/ Attaki/Ottaki & Soroki/Soroka)


Dymer near Ukraine; Dematoff #ukraine

shirley@...
 

Dear Fellow researchers,
I have recently learned that my grandmother's family came to Chicago
from Dymer [Dimer, Demir]. This town is not far >from Kiev, near the
cross of the rivers Irpin and Dneiper.

The family name is Dematoff [Dematov, etc] I am interested to contact
others who have information about this area, or have come across this
unusual Jewish surname.

Dematoff women married MANDEL, KANTROWITZ/KANTER.

thanks in advance,
Shirley

seeking: DEMATOFF, KANTROWITZ Chicago


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: last Name: SACHER #ukraine

Avi K. <u.sisraeli@...>
 

Dear Mr. Cohen; Genenrs, ]

As a linguist who's into multiple languages I can't help but write this:

Sacher sounds so closely-related to Zacher (the Romanian word for :
Sugar). Also, in German, the word: Zucker (pronounced: Tsuker) means same.
It would also make sense on a geographical level (with Russia borering
Romania & occupying part of its land-which changes hands back & forth-i.e:
Bessarabia or better known as modern-day Moldavia). Germany has also ruled
portions of Romania & has had a significant cultural history & influence
over the Russian life, as well as, some of its citizens living in Russia!
So, this name would be like the last name: Sugarman (Zuckerman) without the
man...!

Bottom line: it sounds like a Romanized German name "transferred"
(migrating) to Russia (or, passively "getting there" without doing much of
anything-just by virtue of changing/redrafting or rezoning of borders, after
the world wars).

Personally, I do not think that this last name is an abbreviation of
anything. The only name that comes to mind (& do not know if it is
Jewsih)-which may sound a longer version of Sacher is: Sacharov/Sacharoff.

Avishalom (Avi) Klammer
from Bat-Yam, Israel to Oakland, CA, U.S.A.
With Klammer roots in Iasi, Romania, Austria/Austo-Hungary (?!?)
& Levitt roots in Moldova/Bessarabia & Ukraine
(Moghilov/Moghilev Podolsk/ Attaki/Ottaki & Soroki/Soroka)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Dymer near Ukraine; Dematoff #ukraine

shirley@...
 

Dear Fellow researchers,
I have recently learned that my grandmother's family came to Chicago
from Dymer [Dimer, Demir]. This town is not far >from Kiev, near the
cross of the rivers Irpin and Dneiper.

The family name is Dematoff [Dematov, etc] I am interested to contact
others who have information about this area, or have come across this
unusual Jewish surname.

Dematoff women married MANDEL, KANTROWITZ/KANTER.

thanks in advance,
Shirley

seeking: DEMATOFF, KANTROWITZ Chicago


surname on marriage certificate - Toronto, Ca #ukraine

Eliana Aizim
 

Dear Genners,
I received >from the Office of the Registrar General in Ontario,
Canada, the marriage certificate of cousin Golda. She was born
in the Ukraine and immigrated to Toronto, Canada. My mother
always told me that Golda immigrated together with her
grandmother (my great-grandmother), what made me think that
Golda´s parents remained in Ukraine.

In the marriage certificate, Golda´s father is Aaron GUNTER and
mother is Brana WHITE. I know that White is the surname my
family adopted in Canada, for it was WATNICK in Ukraine. I
expected to find Brana´s surname as Watnick, as I thought that
she had remained in Ukraine. What a surprise! Since I received
this marriage certificate, I started to search for Golda´s parents in
Canada, with no success. Searched in JewishGen and A.ca.

I have three questions:
First: as Brana´s surname in the certificate is White, and not
Watnick, does this necessarily mean that Brana did immigrate?
Second: could Brana´s surname White be given in the marriage
certificate even if she remained in Ukraine with surname Watnick?
Third: have any of you ever heard of the Gunter family in Toronto,
or know of any of their descendents? Also the White´s?

Thank you for any help you may give. Please reply to:
aizim@...

Eliana Aizim
from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
visit my Gurevich photo album:
http:// www. geocities DOT com/elianaaizim/photo2.html

Searching:
AISEN, AIZEN, AISIN: Ukraine: Lugansk / Argentina; Brazil
GUREVICH: Ukraine: Yuzovka today Donetsk / Brazil.
WATNICK, WHITE : Ukraine: Peschanka / Canada: Toronto
AVERBUCH: Ukraine: Zhabokrich / Brazil: Colonia Quatro Irmaos.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine surname on marriage certificate - Toronto, Ca #ukraine

Eliana Aizim
 

Dear Genners,
I received >from the Office of the Registrar General in Ontario,
Canada, the marriage certificate of cousin Golda. She was born
in the Ukraine and immigrated to Toronto, Canada. My mother
always told me that Golda immigrated together with her
grandmother (my great-grandmother), what made me think that
Golda´s parents remained in Ukraine.

In the marriage certificate, Golda´s father is Aaron GUNTER and
mother is Brana WHITE. I know that White is the surname my
family adopted in Canada, for it was WATNICK in Ukraine. I
expected to find Brana´s surname as Watnick, as I thought that
she had remained in Ukraine. What a surprise! Since I received
this marriage certificate, I started to search for Golda´s parents in
Canada, with no success. Searched in JewishGen and A.ca.

I have three questions:
First: as Brana´s surname in the certificate is White, and not
Watnick, does this necessarily mean that Brana did immigrate?
Second: could Brana´s surname White be given in the marriage
certificate even if she remained in Ukraine with surname Watnick?
Third: have any of you ever heard of the Gunter family in Toronto,
or know of any of their descendents? Also the White´s?

Thank you for any help you may give. Please reply to:
aizim@...

Eliana Aizim
from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
visit my Gurevich photo album:
http:// www. geocities DOT com/elianaaizim/photo2.html

Searching:
AISEN, AIZEN, AISIN: Ukraine: Lugansk / Argentina; Brazil
GUREVICH: Ukraine: Yuzovka today Donetsk / Brazil.
WATNICK, WHITE : Ukraine: Peschanka / Canada: Toronto
AVERBUCH: Ukraine: Zhabokrich / Brazil: Colonia Quatro Irmaos.


Looking for JULIY (JULIUS?) DRIBINOWITSCH #latvia

Robert Alexander René Dupuis <R.Dupuis@...>
 

I'm looking for:

Juliy DRIBINOWITSCH (b. ca. 1870 [in Riga/Latvia?], d. unknown).
He was married since 1898 with Auguste (Gute) LISSNER-HIRSCHFELD
(b. 1873 in Riga/Latvia, d. unknown, daughter of the technical
director Nikolai /Elchone ARONOWITSCH LISSNER, named HIRSCHFELD
and Charlotte /Slatte/ Sara ISAAKOVNA, nee KEILMANN).

If anybody has documents/photos, etc. about my relative Juliy
DRIBINOWITZ and his wife, please contact me.


--
Robert Dupuis, Berlin/Germany

Searching for KEILMANN, ISAKOWITZ, LISSNER-HIRSCHFELD, POROGOWD,
MENDELSOHN, COHN, KARPEL, HOLLENDER, ZINNEMANN, PENN (all >from Latvia),
KANTOROWITZ (>from Slonim/Belorus and Vilnius/Lithuania),
JUNGIERMANN, SZTATLER (>from Olkusz/Poland), RAWITZ (>from Georgenburg
near Vilnius/Lithuania); HIRSCH (>from Stallupoenen, Memel, Koenigsberg/
Germany), Josephy (>from Schwaan, Rosdtock/Germany)


Latvia SIG #Latvia Looking for JULIY (JULIUS?) DRIBINOWITSCH #latvia

Robert Alexander René Dupuis <R.Dupuis@...>
 

I'm looking for:

Juliy DRIBINOWITSCH (b. ca. 1870 [in Riga/Latvia?], d. unknown).
He was married since 1898 with Auguste (Gute) LISSNER-HIRSCHFELD
(b. 1873 in Riga/Latvia, d. unknown, daughter of the technical
director Nikolai /Elchone ARONOWITSCH LISSNER, named HIRSCHFELD
and Charlotte /Slatte/ Sara ISAAKOVNA, nee KEILMANN).

If anybody has documents/photos, etc. about my relative Juliy
DRIBINOWITZ and his wife, please contact me.


--
Robert Dupuis, Berlin/Germany

Searching for KEILMANN, ISAKOWITZ, LISSNER-HIRSCHFELD, POROGOWD,
MENDELSOHN, COHN, KARPEL, HOLLENDER, ZINNEMANN, PENN (all >from Latvia),
KANTOROWITZ (>from Slonim/Belorus and Vilnius/Lithuania),
JUNGIERMANN, SZTATLER (>from Olkusz/Poland), RAWITZ (>from Georgenburg
near Vilnius/Lithuania); HIRSCH (>from Stallupoenen, Memel, Koenigsberg/
Germany), Josephy (>from Schwaan, Rosdtock/Germany)


Berlin minority census #germany

Judith Diamond
 

I am asking for a friend who is going to Berlin shortly.

Is it possible to see the Berlin Minority census in Berlin?
She has left it too late to order it in London >from the Mormons.

Judith Diamond, UK <jrd@...>


German SIG #Germany Berlin minority census #germany

Judith Diamond
 

I am asking for a friend who is going to Berlin shortly.

Is it possible to see the Berlin Minority census in Berlin?
She has left it too late to order it in London >from the Mormons.

Judith Diamond, UK <jrd@...>


Re: surname TOFF #germany

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 3/6/2008 8:26:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,
_buckidstein@... (mailto:buckidstein@...) writes:

<< In their dictionary "Etymologisches Lexikon der juedischen
Familiennamen", E. and H. Guggenheimer write about two sources of this name.
When used by Ashkenazic Jews, the forms TOFF (found in Italy) and Touff are
a variation of the name Tov / Tow, which is derived >from Hebrew tov = good.
The Arabic tawwaf
=
obedient servant (in modern Arabic wanderer, emigrant) became Toaff or Toef
in Sephardic usage. >>

==Heinrich Guggenheimer is an amazing polymath, a past professor at (I think)
Brooklyn Polytech of both mathematics and of Talmud. His onamastic work is,
however, not held in the same regard. The English version of his
Etymological Dictionary can be bought, used, for $283.50 >from a major online
bookstore -- only one copy available. I do not own a copy, I have never seen
a copy, and I don't expect to buy a copy. I have heard, however, that there
are some serious errors in it.

==Toaff is an Italian Jewish name, a long line of rabbis and scholars >from
Livorno, including Chief Rabbi Elio Toaff who greeted the late Pope on his visit to
Rome's major synagogue about 10 years ago. Eli Toaff is a distinguished scholar of
Italian Jewish history and son of the Chief Rabbi, who wrote most of the articles
dealing with Italy in Encyc Jud. He is professor at Bar Ilan University. Recently
got into very hot water bywriting a book in Italy in which he seemed to suggest
that some of the old Catholic claims that Jews killed Christian children to
use their blood for Passover rituals were based on reality [the book was
subsequently withdrawn].

==Only a relatively small portion of Italian Jews are of Sefardi heritage.
The Toaffs were not Sefardim.

==The Tawaff Arabic oirigin of the Toff name is interesting. I know no Arabic

Michael Bernet, New York mbernet@...


surname Toff #germany

Margaret Fullarton and David Mark <fullmark@...>
 

Well, my ignorance has been lightened somewhat by you good people who have
assisted me both privately and through the list. I am now going to
investigate further but it does seem, as you say, that Toff may well have
come >from Tov. In fact a Dutch Toff told me that his name comes >from
brothers who arrived in Holland, made some money and distributed it
charitably and thus earned the name Tov/Toff. He has reverted to Tov since
moving to Israel. So like you all, I shall search on. Many thanks.

Margaret Fullarton Oaklands NSW Australia

MODERATOR NOTE: Discussion of this topic is absolutely closed in this forum.


German SIG #Germany Re: surname TOFF #germany

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 3/6/2008 8:26:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,
_buckidstein@... (mailto:buckidstein@...) writes:

<< In their dictionary "Etymologisches Lexikon der juedischen
Familiennamen", E. and H. Guggenheimer write about two sources of this name.
When used by Ashkenazic Jews, the forms TOFF (found in Italy) and Touff are
a variation of the name Tov / Tow, which is derived >from Hebrew tov = good.
The Arabic tawwaf
=
obedient servant (in modern Arabic wanderer, emigrant) became Toaff or Toef
in Sephardic usage. >>

==Heinrich Guggenheimer is an amazing polymath, a past professor at (I think)
Brooklyn Polytech of both mathematics and of Talmud. His onamastic work is,
however, not held in the same regard. The English version of his
Etymological Dictionary can be bought, used, for $283.50 >from a major online
bookstore -- only one copy available. I do not own a copy, I have never seen
a copy, and I don't expect to buy a copy. I have heard, however, that there
are some serious errors in it.

==Toaff is an Italian Jewish name, a long line of rabbis and scholars >from
Livorno, including Chief Rabbi Elio Toaff who greeted the late Pope on his visit to
Rome's major synagogue about 10 years ago. Eli Toaff is a distinguished scholar of
Italian Jewish history and son of the Chief Rabbi, who wrote most of the articles
dealing with Italy in Encyc Jud. He is professor at Bar Ilan University. Recently
got into very hot water bywriting a book in Italy in which he seemed to suggest
that some of the old Catholic claims that Jews killed Christian children to
use their blood for Passover rituals were based on reality [the book was
subsequently withdrawn].

==Only a relatively small portion of Italian Jews are of Sefardi heritage.
The Toaffs were not Sefardim.

==The Tawaff Arabic oirigin of the Toff name is interesting. I know no Arabic

Michael Bernet, New York mbernet@...


German SIG #Germany surname Toff #germany

Margaret Fullarton and David Mark <fullmark@...>
 

Well, my ignorance has been lightened somewhat by you good people who have
assisted me both privately and through the list. I am now going to
investigate further but it does seem, as you say, that Toff may well have
come >from Tov. In fact a Dutch Toff told me that his name comes >from
brothers who arrived in Holland, made some money and distributed it
charitably and thus earned the name Tov/Toff. He has reverted to Tov since
moving to Israel. So like you all, I shall search on. Many thanks.

Margaret Fullarton Oaklands NSW Australia

MODERATOR NOTE: Discussion of this topic is absolutely closed in this forum.


Re: The family name Toff #germany

Ury Link
 

Dear Genners,
Before few month I send this letter to a person in Holland that ask me the
same question, What is the origin of the family name Toff ? I write the
letter in Dutch and this is the translation to English .
First this name is written in different spelling also as Tov, Tow, Tof,
Toff, but as we know this is usual and spelling is something >from the 20
century.

We have few explanation for this name and I write on the family name that is
used in Holland, in Germany I don't find this family name.

No 1: It get out >from the Hebrew word TOW and it mean Good, but according my
knowledge I don't think that it is the origin of the name Toff.

No 2: In Veendam, a small city in Northern Holland, Lived in the 18
century a person with the name Manuel Jonas Tof (birth 1756) , Jonas is a
nickname to the Hebrew name Jona and it mean a Pigeon , a Dove. In Dutch it
is a DUIF and >from Duif to Toff is the way very short Duif - Tuif - Toff.
So In this case I can said that the name Toff get out >from the Hebrew name
Jona

No 3: Another explanation is that the name get out >from the given name David
. Perhaps was in this family a person with the name David and the nickname
of David is Tevel or Tyvel and >from this we get the name Toff through this
way :David - Tevel - Teffel- Toffel -Toff.

No 4 : Alexander Beider in his book Jewish Surnames in Poland give the
suggestion that the name Tov - Toff get out >from the German name Teper
(page 438). Teper mean a kettle-maker and Top in German mean a kettle.
It can be that the bearer of this name was a kettle-maker or a merchant in
kettles.

No 5: It is a small possibility that the name Toff is a acronym >from the
Hebrew letters Tet -Vav - Beith , but I don't can find a good explanation to
this word, except the number 17 (Tet =9 + Vav = 6 + Beith =2 = 17)

My opinion about Toff = Pigeon have a small evidence in the Dutch archive.
In 1811 change the Family Rachmanuth his name to 2 different Dutch names
one part take the name POST and the other part take the name TOFF , it was
very usually that a family take different names (in my family take one part
the name Muzikant and the other part the name Viol)
We get 2 names POST -TOFF In Dutch you said Postduif what mean a
Carrier-pigeon.
This is only a small indication that the name Toff get out >from Jona as I
think it is.

In all the cases I spoke about Holland where this name was used as TOFF more
then in other European countries.

Best regards Ury Link Amsterdam Holland


German SIG #Germany Re: The family name Toff #germany

Ury Link
 

Dear Genners,
Before few month I send this letter to a person in Holland that ask me the
same question, What is the origin of the family name Toff ? I write the
letter in Dutch and this is the translation to English .
First this name is written in different spelling also as Tov, Tow, Tof,
Toff, but as we know this is usual and spelling is something >from the 20
century.

We have few explanation for this name and I write on the family name that is
used in Holland, in Germany I don't find this family name.

No 1: It get out >from the Hebrew word TOW and it mean Good, but according my
knowledge I don't think that it is the origin of the name Toff.

No 2: In Veendam, a small city in Northern Holland, Lived in the 18
century a person with the name Manuel Jonas Tof (birth 1756) , Jonas is a
nickname to the Hebrew name Jona and it mean a Pigeon , a Dove. In Dutch it
is a DUIF and >from Duif to Toff is the way very short Duif - Tuif - Toff.
So In this case I can said that the name Toff get out >from the Hebrew name
Jona

No 3: Another explanation is that the name get out >from the given name David
. Perhaps was in this family a person with the name David and the nickname
of David is Tevel or Tyvel and >from this we get the name Toff through this
way :David - Tevel - Teffel- Toffel -Toff.

No 4 : Alexander Beider in his book Jewish Surnames in Poland give the
suggestion that the name Tov - Toff get out >from the German name Teper
(page 438). Teper mean a kettle-maker and Top in German mean a kettle.
It can be that the bearer of this name was a kettle-maker or a merchant in
kettles.

No 5: It is a small possibility that the name Toff is a acronym >from the
Hebrew letters Tet -Vav - Beith , but I don't can find a good explanation to
this word, except the number 17 (Tet =9 + Vav = 6 + Beith =2 = 17)

My opinion about Toff = Pigeon have a small evidence in the Dutch archive.
In 1811 change the Family Rachmanuth his name to 2 different Dutch names
one part take the name POST and the other part take the name TOFF , it was
very usually that a family take different names (in my family take one part
the name Muzikant and the other part the name Viol)
We get 2 names POST -TOFF In Dutch you said Postduif what mean a
Carrier-pigeon.
This is only a small indication that the name Toff get out >from Jona as I
think it is.

In all the cases I spoke about Holland where this name was used as TOFF more
then in other European countries.

Best regards Ury Link Amsterdam Holland