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Ellis beats Soundex II #general

debjkay <debjkay@...>
 

A second thought to my last email:

I also found on searching my great-great-grandmother's son in law's name (to
find his wife) that he had returned to Europe and come back again, 2nd time
with a relative of his wife's, something that I would not have noticed on
the Soundex, as I looked for and found the card for the *first* immigration,
and matching manifest, all matching the Naturalization papers, and would not
have looked any further [perhaps some of you are smarter than I, but, yes, I
would have quit there]

It was *impossible* to ignore the two "Joe Pfefferblum"s that popped up on
the Ellis site, though.

Debra J. Kay
debjkay@...
Simi Valley, CA
Kafka - male first name #general

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

A JRI search gave us a male Skalat Pikholz descendant with the first
name Kafka. I wondered if it was a transcription error by the folks in
Warsaw, but we now have the record itself and there doesn't seem to
be any other way to read it.

A neighbor of mine suggests it may be a dimuitive of Yaakov, similar
to Kopel. Any other suggestions?

Israel Pickholtz
Re: Unusual Names #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon-nospam-@...>
 

Nathan,

Batschkurinsky (Basia's maiden name) has probably an Ukrainian or Polish
origin. Probably in an original Polish it was written as: Baczkurinski
(Bachkurinsky) or Baszkurinski [Bashkurinsky] (>from Baszkir, surname appears
frequently in the JRI-P database).

Ragards,
--
Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta


Genners,

I need some of your very good ideas and suggestions.
Our original family surname is unknown.
The original parents of our family were Nachum and Basya. (Ukraine)
The Americanized surname of Greenberg was attached to them.
Basya's maiden name has been handed down as "Batshkurinsky" or some other
spelling or pronunciation.
There is a prevalent thought in the family that this might be a version of
the original surname.
This is not a commonplace name.
Can anyone offer a more known name >from this arrangement of sounds.
...
Nathan GREENBERG
San Diego, CA
Re: The Jerusalem Archeological Park #general

Gene and Ellen Sucov <genellen@...>
 

I tried to enter the website described below. The home page is quite
impressive with 3D, moving images. However, when I clicked on Enter, I got
an index list but with no way to go forward >from there. After trying 4
times to continue I got an error message. Very frustrating, especially
after the rave review by Prof. Esterson.
Gene Sucov, Pittsburgh JGS, searching for
SUCHOWCZYCKI, Horodetz-Bialystok-US
SHLAFMITZ, Zaremby-Koscielne-US

----- Original Message -----
From: Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
To: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:40 PM
Subject: The Jerusalem Archeological Park

Announcement was made in yesterday's Jerusalem Post of the new Jerusalem
Archeological Park, a virtual visit to the Second Temple. I have visited
the JAP web site and I can attest that this is one of the most exciting
sites I have ever seen for Jews, describing as it does the Center's
computer simulation of ascending to and walking in the Second Temple
Compound.
...
Ruchel & Olya #general

Herb Rubenstein <rubenstein@...>
 

Jews generally have both Yiddish (or Hebrew) and Slavic names. Ruchel is

from the Hebrew while Olya is a friendly form of the Russian Olga.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ellis beats Soundex II #general

debjkay <debjkay@...>
 

A second thought to my last email:

I also found on searching my great-great-grandmother's son in law's name (to
find his wife) that he had returned to Europe and come back again, 2nd time
with a relative of his wife's, something that I would not have noticed on
the Soundex, as I looked for and found the card for the *first* immigration,
and matching manifest, all matching the Naturalization papers, and would not
have looked any further [perhaps some of you are smarter than I, but, yes, I
would have quit there]

It was *impossible* to ignore the two "Joe Pfefferblum"s that popped up on
the Ellis site, though.

Debra J. Kay
debjkay@...
Simi Valley, CA
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kafka - male first name #general

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

A JRI search gave us a male Skalat Pikholz descendant with the first
name Kafka. I wondered if it was a transcription error by the folks in
Warsaw, but we now have the record itself and there doesn't seem to
be any other way to read it.

A neighbor of mine suggests it may be a dimuitive of Yaakov, similar
to Kopel. Any other suggestions?

Israel Pickholtz
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Unusual Names #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon-nospam-@...>
 

Nathan,

Batschkurinsky (Basia's maiden name) has probably an Ukrainian or Polish
origin. Probably in an original Polish it was written as: Baczkurinski
(Bachkurinsky) or Baszkurinski [Bashkurinsky] (>from Baszkir, surname appears
frequently in the JRI-P database).

Ragards,
--
Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta


Genners,

I need some of your very good ideas and suggestions.
Our original family surname is unknown.
The original parents of our family were Nachum and Basya. (Ukraine)
The Americanized surname of Greenberg was attached to them.
Basya's maiden name has been handed down as "Batshkurinsky" or some other
spelling or pronunciation.
There is a prevalent thought in the family that this might be a version of
the original surname.
This is not a commonplace name.
Can anyone offer a more known name >from this arrangement of sounds.
...
Nathan GREENBERG
San Diego, CA
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The Jerusalem Archeological Park #general

Gene and Ellen Sucov <genellen@...>
 

I tried to enter the website described below. The home page is quite
impressive with 3D, moving images. However, when I clicked on Enter, I got
an index list but with no way to go forward >from there. After trying 4
times to continue I got an error message. Very frustrating, especially
after the rave review by Prof. Esterson.
Gene Sucov, Pittsburgh JGS, searching for
SUCHOWCZYCKI, Horodetz-Bialystok-US
SHLAFMITZ, Zaremby-Koscielne-US

----- Original Message -----
From: Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
To: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:40 PM
Subject: The Jerusalem Archeological Park

Announcement was made in yesterday's Jerusalem Post of the new Jerusalem
Archeological Park, a virtual visit to the Second Temple. I have visited
the JAP web site and I can attest that this is one of the most exciting
sites I have ever seen for Jews, describing as it does the Center's
computer simulation of ascending to and walking in the Second Temple
Compound.
...
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ruchel & Olya #general

Herb Rubenstein <rubenstein@...>
 

Jews generally have both Yiddish (or Hebrew) and Slavic names. Ruchel is

from the Hebrew while Olya is a friendly form of the Russian Olga.
Re: Russia (Poland) #general

Joan Silverman <jbsilverman@...>
 

Hi,
I received today a marriage certificate on my grandparents and have found
several times my great grandparents place of birth is noted as Russia
(Poland). Can someone help with a geography lesson and let me know what
area this is pertaining to -- around 1860.

Thanks for your help

Joan Silverman
Revere, Massachusetts
mail to: jbsilverman @mediaone.net

MODERATOR NOTE: This question has been addressed several times before in
the JewishGen Discussion Group. You can find these discussions by searching
the JewishGen Discussion Group Archives at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~archpop> for
"Russia then Poland" (without the quotes). You will get a long list of
posts. Scroll down the list for subject lines including the combination
"Russia/Poland" or something similar, and click on those subject lines to
read the posts. It may be helpful to right-click and open the posts in a
new window in order to save the time required to redisplay the long list
after reading each post.
Ellis Success not Possible With Soundex #general

debjkay <debjkay@...>
 

I thought that I would share my "success" with the Ellis Island Data Base
because I think it shows the future wonderful possibilities this site holds.

I had the normal problems experienced by everyone,it seems, accessing the
site, registering, etc., but within about 5 min of "actual" searching (it
was Friday at 5 pm PDT, so no telling) I found the passenger record for my
great-great grandmother, her three daughters and one of their children.

I have found passenger manifests for all in my direct line, and most
collaterals by a combination of using Soundex and info on Naturalization
papers, but I had reached what really would have been a dead end, if not for
the Ellis site.

I discovered by census-Federal and NY--that my great-great grandmother, who
I thought was "left" in Europe in fact immigrated in 1906 with her daughter
and infant grandson, then lived with them for 15 years. I had (finally)
found her death certificate (as suggested before, I had to look in a
different "borough" in NYC, as she was taken to the hospital >from her home
in Manhattan during her final illness and died in the Bronx), and, >from her
son-in-law's Naturalization papers found that her daughter came to the US in
1906. Three census records and her birth certificate all indicated the
same year.

I had searched the Soundex numerous times for her, daughter, and the
grandson, with no success.

Anyway, the problem was this:

Her name was Pessie Lewita in the old country, Levitt or Levine in America,
and Pessie was butchered to Tessie, Pieche, Poise , etc. I found the death
certificate by narrowing the year, and ordering ALL "P" Levine's!

For my soundex search, I used, Lewit/Levita (same code), added a T, and also
Levine. I found nothing (correction, I found lots of "close" ones, which
when check out were children, etc., obviously incorrect)

The Ellis Island data base gave me "options" to Lewita, and brought up 490
"possibles", within 2 minutes I found "Pische Lewitan", got to the
manifest, and found the year(1906), town (Siedlez), the daughter and
grandson (under a different name) and two other daughters!

"Lewitan" would have given a different soundex code, and, more importantly,
given the number of names with L-w-t or L-v-t beginnings (not to mention
other letters which would code the same) there would have been thousands of
possibilities for review--Levitt itself was daunting--and I doubt that I
would have ever gone through those records. The "n" ending was not present
in any other record to date, including the "polish" ones, and may, in fact,
be a reading error.

Last part of the story, I was confident at first that I would find the
daughter and baby, as her name was "Pfefferblum", and knew that there would
not be as many options. For whatever reason, the daughter, Rebecca
Pfefferblum, and baby, Max Pfefferblum, were traveling under the names
Risoke[presumably Rivke] WILANDEK [a name I had never seen before] and
Motel[ok, this is a not-so-unlikely for Max] Wilandek.

Anyway, if not for the "suggestion" made by the database, I am positive that
I would never have found this record. As I described above, I had done
everything else [yes, I was about to check other ports of entry, though I
thought this was unlikely, as other relatives had gone to NYC, and the
husband of the daughter was there waiting, but I would have] and this record
would have been lost.

Final thought, when I first saw the "soundslike" option on the Ellis sight
and the "alternatives", I was disappointed, as it appeared to be not very
helpful. Was I wrong.

Hope my experience can be helpful to someone.

Debra Kay
debjkay@...
Simi Valley, CA
Re: Ellis Island Comments #general

Shel <sbercovich@...>
 

Ann Rabinowitz wrote:

[snip - good stuff]

8. Due to the names being retrieved in non-sorted order, it is difficult
to locate someone you want unless you look through the entire list or
download it. This can be rather arduous when there are several hundred
names such as the 807 Hillman names.
Hi all,

There _is_ a way to deal with this, though for people with long lists,
it's fairly tedious.

1. Bring up the list of names for which you're searching at EIDB.

2. Highlight and copy (to the clipboard) the whole list (of 25)
_including_ the headings for each column.

3. Paste this into a word processor document. You'll get something like
this:

_
Name
Residence
Arrival
Age
1.
Joe Blow
Gorky
1911
25

4. Bring up the succeeding pages and, in turn, highlight, copy and paste
the _data only_ (Not the headings) onto the bottom of the wordpro file.

5. Adjust the number of lines in _each_ record so they are EXACTLY the
same (This is the _really_ fiddly part, because they're not all the same
and there are blank lines in between some of the columns!) Ensure
there's a carriage return after each complete record.

6. ***Save this file under two different names.***. Use only the second one
to do the following:

7. Use your word pro's "Text to Table" feature to make the listing into
a chart or table. You may have to fiddle back and forth to get it all
right, but once you do, you'll have a usable table that can be sorted
"every which way 'till Sunday"! :-) I found a setting of 9 columns does
the trick. Incidentally, you'll wind up with a couple of blank columns
which can be deleted using the wordpro's "Table Layout" feature. You can
also adjust column widths, font sizes, etc.

I saved 4 different versions: a) as the list showed in the EIDB; b) by
name; c) by Date of Arrival; d) added another column (you could use one
of the blank columns for this) of Birth Date (lots of calculations, but
it helps to sort people).

Have fun,

Shel Bercovich

Searching: BERCOVICI, GOLDENBERG, MOSCOVICI - Darabani, Dorohoi, Iasi
& Stefanesti, Romania
KLEBANOV (various spellings), LIPKIND - Minsk Gubernia; NYC
ECHTER (HECHTER), ZWANG - Tulchin, Botha, & Krivoye Ozero,
Ukraine; Israel; Argentina
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Russia (Poland) #general

Joan Silverman <jbsilverman@...>
 

Hi,
I received today a marriage certificate on my grandparents and have found
several times my great grandparents place of birth is noted as Russia
(Poland). Can someone help with a geography lesson and let me know what
area this is pertaining to -- around 1860.

Thanks for your help

Joan Silverman
Revere, Massachusetts
mail to: jbsilverman @mediaone.net

MODERATOR NOTE: This question has been addressed several times before in
the JewishGen Discussion Group. You can find these discussions by searching
the JewishGen Discussion Group Archives at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~archpop> for
"Russia then Poland" (without the quotes). You will get a long list of
posts. Scroll down the list for subject lines including the combination
"Russia/Poland" or something similar, and click on those subject lines to
read the posts. It may be helpful to right-click and open the posts in a
new window in order to save the time required to redisplay the long list
after reading each post.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ellis Success not Possible With Soundex #general

debjkay <debjkay@...>
 

I thought that I would share my "success" with the Ellis Island Data Base
because I think it shows the future wonderful possibilities this site holds.

I had the normal problems experienced by everyone,it seems, accessing the
site, registering, etc., but within about 5 min of "actual" searching (it
was Friday at 5 pm PDT, so no telling) I found the passenger record for my
great-great grandmother, her three daughters and one of their children.

I have found passenger manifests for all in my direct line, and most
collaterals by a combination of using Soundex and info on Naturalization
papers, but I had reached what really would have been a dead end, if not for
the Ellis site.

I discovered by census-Federal and NY--that my great-great grandmother, who
I thought was "left" in Europe in fact immigrated in 1906 with her daughter
and infant grandson, then lived with them for 15 years. I had (finally)
found her death certificate (as suggested before, I had to look in a
different "borough" in NYC, as she was taken to the hospital >from her home
in Manhattan during her final illness and died in the Bronx), and, >from her
son-in-law's Naturalization papers found that her daughter came to the US in
1906. Three census records and her birth certificate all indicated the
same year.

I had searched the Soundex numerous times for her, daughter, and the
grandson, with no success.

Anyway, the problem was this:

Her name was Pessie Lewita in the old country, Levitt or Levine in America,
and Pessie was butchered to Tessie, Pieche, Poise , etc. I found the death
certificate by narrowing the year, and ordering ALL "P" Levine's!

For my soundex search, I used, Lewit/Levita (same code), added a T, and also
Levine. I found nothing (correction, I found lots of "close" ones, which
when check out were children, etc., obviously incorrect)

The Ellis Island data base gave me "options" to Lewita, and brought up 490
"possibles", within 2 minutes I found "Pische Lewitan", got to the
manifest, and found the year(1906), town (Siedlez), the daughter and
grandson (under a different name) and two other daughters!

"Lewitan" would have given a different soundex code, and, more importantly,
given the number of names with L-w-t or L-v-t beginnings (not to mention
other letters which would code the same) there would have been thousands of
possibilities for review--Levitt itself was daunting--and I doubt that I
would have ever gone through those records. The "n" ending was not present
in any other record to date, including the "polish" ones, and may, in fact,
be a reading error.

Last part of the story, I was confident at first that I would find the
daughter and baby, as her name was "Pfefferblum", and knew that there would
not be as many options. For whatever reason, the daughter, Rebecca
Pfefferblum, and baby, Max Pfefferblum, were traveling under the names
Risoke[presumably Rivke] WILANDEK [a name I had never seen before] and
Motel[ok, this is a not-so-unlikely for Max] Wilandek.

Anyway, if not for the "suggestion" made by the database, I am positive that
I would never have found this record. As I described above, I had done
everything else [yes, I was about to check other ports of entry, though I
thought this was unlikely, as other relatives had gone to NYC, and the
husband of the daughter was there waiting, but I would have] and this record
would have been lost.

Final thought, when I first saw the "soundslike" option on the Ellis sight
and the "alternatives", I was disappointed, as it appeared to be not very
helpful. Was I wrong.

Hope my experience can be helpful to someone.

Debra Kay
debjkay@...
Simi Valley, CA
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ellis Island Comments #general

Shel <sbercovich@...>
 

Ann Rabinowitz wrote:

[snip - good stuff]

8. Due to the names being retrieved in non-sorted order, it is difficult
to locate someone you want unless you look through the entire list or
download it. This can be rather arduous when there are several hundred
names such as the 807 Hillman names.
Hi all,

There _is_ a way to deal with this, though for people with long lists,
it's fairly tedious.

1. Bring up the list of names for which you're searching at EIDB.

2. Highlight and copy (to the clipboard) the whole list (of 25)
_including_ the headings for each column.

3. Paste this into a word processor document. You'll get something like
this:

_
Name
Residence
Arrival
Age
1.
Joe Blow
Gorky
1911
25

4. Bring up the succeeding pages and, in turn, highlight, copy and paste
the _data only_ (Not the headings) onto the bottom of the wordpro file.

5. Adjust the number of lines in _each_ record so they are EXACTLY the
same (This is the _really_ fiddly part, because they're not all the same
and there are blank lines in between some of the columns!) Ensure
there's a carriage return after each complete record.

6. ***Save this file under two different names.***. Use only the second one
to do the following:

7. Use your word pro's "Text to Table" feature to make the listing into
a chart or table. You may have to fiddle back and forth to get it all
right, but once you do, you'll have a usable table that can be sorted
"every which way 'till Sunday"! :-) I found a setting of 9 columns does
the trick. Incidentally, you'll wind up with a couple of blank columns
which can be deleted using the wordpro's "Table Layout" feature. You can
also adjust column widths, font sizes, etc.

I saved 4 different versions: a) as the list showed in the EIDB; b) by
name; c) by Date of Arrival; d) added another column (you could use one
of the blank columns for this) of Birth Date (lots of calculations, but
it helps to sort people).

Have fun,

Shel Bercovich

Searching: BERCOVICI, GOLDENBERG, MOSCOVICI - Darabani, Dorohoi, Iasi
& Stefanesti, Romania
KLEBANOV (various spellings), LIPKIND - Minsk Gubernia; NYC
ECHTER (HECHTER), ZWANG - Tulchin, Botha, & Krivoye Ozero,
Ukraine; Israel; Argentina
ellis island/fam search #general

Sara Lynns
 

This may sound silly
I found incomplete information
re: paternal grandfather
stated he was not married
could not find my grandmother
or othe rrelatives on search

Are there other resources for those arriving in NY
from 1904 to 1915?
todah
Jackie Lerner-Aderman
re Pavlinka and PLATNICK #general

mgglass <mgglass@...>
 

Dear Jewishgenners:

Is there anybody searching PLATNICK (any spelling) and Pavlinka, Ukraine
(Russia) in Podolia? I have been researching both for some time and
have not come up with any answers. My immediate family moved to
Canada. There is a possibility that the remainder of the PLATNICK
Family may have immigrated to South America. Thank you and I may
reached at mgglass@....

Marilyn PLATNICK GLASS
Toronto, Ontario Canada
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ellis island/fam search #general

Sara Lynns
 

This may sound silly
I found incomplete information
re: paternal grandfather
stated he was not married
could not find my grandmother
or othe rrelatives on search

Are there other resources for those arriving in NY
from 1904 to 1915?
todah
Jackie Lerner-Aderman
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re Pavlinka and PLATNICK #general

mgglass <mgglass@...>
 

Dear Jewishgenners:

Is there anybody searching PLATNICK (any spelling) and Pavlinka, Ukraine
(Russia) in Podolia? I have been researching both for some time and
have not come up with any answers. My immediate family moved to
Canada. There is a possibility that the remainder of the PLATNICK
Family may have immigrated to South America. Thank you and I may
reached at mgglass@....

Marilyn PLATNICK GLASS
Toronto, Ontario Canada
540761 - 540780 of 669912