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Re: A Short History of the Jews of Lithuanis by Dov Levin #general

Donald & Sandra Hirschhorn <donsandyh@...>
 

Thought you'd like to know that this book is available on the JewishGenMall
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall at a special price!

Sandy and Don Hirschhorn
Co-Managers JewishGen Mall
Boca Raton, FL

From: "Rosalind Romem" <rromem@...>

This is a beautiful book and a lovely introduction to the subject.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: A Short History of the Jews of Lithuanis by Dov Levin #general

Donald & Sandra Hirschhorn <donsandyh@...>
 

Thought you'd like to know that this book is available on the JewishGenMall
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall at a special price!

Sandy and Don Hirschhorn
Co-Managers JewishGen Mall
Boca Raton, FL

From: "Rosalind Romem" <rromem@...>

This is a beautiful book and a lovely introduction to the subject.


TRUPP/TROPP #general

DREIMAN <m4fab4@...>
 

Hello to all,
Just posting the name in case there are newcomers to the group!

GGF Yosef Trupp >from Tartak Ukraine. Said to be of Prussian descent.
Married to Bersheba Meyerson. Left Russia for Argentina around 1906 with
children Maier, Mendel, Sender, Usher, Feige, Jacie and Eidel. My
grandfather said they lived close enough to Kiev to go >from time to time.
My grandfather (Mendel) used to say they could speak Russian and German, as
well as Yiddish and Hebrew. If they had stayed in Russia, he would have
become a hazan. They are Kohanim, according to the family "legend".

Would love to hear >from others with TRUPP/TROPP in their family tree.

B'shalom
Mirta Trupp Dreiman
California


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen TRUPP/TROPP #general

DREIMAN <m4fab4@...>
 

Hello to all,
Just posting the name in case there are newcomers to the group!

GGF Yosef Trupp >from Tartak Ukraine. Said to be of Prussian descent.
Married to Bersheba Meyerson. Left Russia for Argentina around 1906 with
children Maier, Mendel, Sender, Usher, Feige, Jacie and Eidel. My
grandfather said they lived close enough to Kiev to go >from time to time.
My grandfather (Mendel) used to say they could speak Russian and German, as
well as Yiddish and Hebrew. If they had stayed in Russia, he would have
become a hazan. They are Kohanim, according to the family "legend".

Would love to hear >from others with TRUPP/TROPP in their family tree.

B'shalom
Mirta Trupp Dreiman
California


SHERMERHORN ? #general

Suzanne <gypsysm@...>
 

If anyone is looking on EIDB for a Pauline SHERMERHORN, it is listed under
BYRON.

Suzanne Fine
Spring Hill, FL

Searching: FINGERGOIT, SURITZ, SCHURITZ in Latvia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SHERMERHORN ? #general

Suzanne <gypsysm@...>
 

If anyone is looking on EIDB for a Pauline SHERMERHORN, it is listed under
BYRON.

Suzanne Fine
Spring Hill, FL

Searching: FINGERGOIT, SURITZ, SCHURITZ in Latvia


Re: Cohanim-surnames #rabbinic

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 6/8/2001 9:07:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
RWeissJGS@... writes:

<< I'd be careful with assuming that most KATZes are cohanim. The name can
also
be derived >from the occupation "katzov" (butcher).
>>

Yes, there are exceptions to every rule. There were Katzav's of course, but
butchers would more likely be called Fleischmann. I think that shortening the
name Katzav to Katz was rare.

The rule among rabbis, when questioning a couple about to be married (on the
possibility that the bride is a divorcee or convert), assumes that all Katz's
are Cohanim, unless they can prove they're not.

Michael Bernet


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Cohanim-surnames #rabbinic

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 6/8/2001 9:07:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
RWeissJGS@... writes:

<< I'd be careful with assuming that most KATZes are cohanim. The name can
also
be derived >from the occupation "katzov" (butcher).
>>

Yes, there are exceptions to every rule. There were Katzav's of course, but
butchers would more likely be called Fleischmann. I think that shortening the
name Katzav to Katz was rare.

The rule among rabbis, when questioning a couple about to be married (on the
possibility that the bride is a divorcee or convert), assumes that all Katz's
are Cohanim, unless they can prove they're not.

Michael Bernet


Re: Chief Rabbi of Transvaal #rabbinic

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 6/8/2001 9:14:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
rromem@... writes:

<< For the sake of accuracy there has never been a Chief Rabbi of South
Africa,
The late Chief Rabbi Louis RABINOWITZ took care of Transvaal and OFS and
Natal. At the same time Chief Rabbi ABRAHAMS officiated over the Cape, South
West Africa (then) and Northern Rhodesia (then).
>>
==Only two chief rabbis. Our tradition is always to have three schuls and
three poskim, one of each for me, one of each for my wife, and one of each
that neither she nor I would trust.

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Chief Rabbi of Transvaal #rabbinic

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 6/8/2001 9:14:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
rromem@... writes:

<< For the sake of accuracy there has never been a Chief Rabbi of South
Africa,
The late Chief Rabbi Louis RABINOWITZ took care of Transvaal and OFS and
Natal. At the same time Chief Rabbi ABRAHAMS officiated over the Cape, South
West Africa (then) and Northern Rhodesia (then).
>>
==Only two chief rabbis. Our tradition is always to have three schuls and
three poskim, one of each for me, one of each for my wife, and one of each
that neither she nor I would trust.

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Kielce/Radom BMD records #poland

Saville & Lois Kaufman <saville@...>
 

Please can someone tell me whether there are plans to incorporate the
birth/marriage and death records listed in the Kielce/Radom Journals into
the JRI database, thus providing access to all.

Sincerely,
Lois Kaufman


JRI Poland #Poland Kielce/Radom BMD records #poland

Saville & Lois Kaufman <saville@...>
 

Please can someone tell me whether there are plans to incorporate the
birth/marriage and death records listed in the Kielce/Radom Journals into
the JRI database, thus providing access to all.

Sincerely,
Lois Kaufman


Re: Kielce/Radom BMD records #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

In a message dated Fri, 8 Jun 2001 19:05:51 +0200, "Lois Kaufman"
<saville@...> writes:

Please can someone tell me whether there are plans to incorporate the
birth/marriage and death records listed in the Kielce/Radom Journals into
the JRI database, thus providing access to all.
There is a long-standing agreement between the Kielce-Radom SIG
and Jewish Records Indexing - Poland concerning this.

Indices to the extracts published in the "KR-SIG Journal" are
available to JRI-Poland one year after publication.

Go to < http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/kr-sig.htm > to view
a list of KR-SIG extracts already in the JRI-Poland database.

As for those extracts published more than one year ago that
are NOT yet in the JRI-Poland database... that's primarily
because of formatting issues and the need for volunteers to
convert them >from their current WordPerfect or hardcopy format
into spreadsheet/database format acceptable to JRI-Poland.
If you would like to volunteer to assist, please contact the
KR-SIG Journal editor, Warren Blatt at: wblatt@...

JRI-Poland is very appreciative of the spirit of sharing that is
exemplified by this agreement. At the same time, we encourage
our Shtetl CO-OP leaders and volunteers who have indexed records
for towns that fall within the interests of the Kielce-Radom SIG,
to take the next step and create full extracts for publication
in the "Kielce-Radom SIG Journal".

Stanley Diamond
Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Kielce/Radom BMD records #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

In a message dated Fri, 8 Jun 2001 19:05:51 +0200, "Lois Kaufman"
<saville@...> writes:

Please can someone tell me whether there are plans to incorporate the
birth/marriage and death records listed in the Kielce/Radom Journals into
the JRI database, thus providing access to all.
There is a long-standing agreement between the Kielce-Radom SIG
and Jewish Records Indexing - Poland concerning this.

Indices to the extracts published in the "KR-SIG Journal" are
available to JRI-Poland one year after publication.

Go to < http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/kr-sig.htm > to view
a list of KR-SIG extracts already in the JRI-Poland database.

As for those extracts published more than one year ago that
are NOT yet in the JRI-Poland database... that's primarily
because of formatting issues and the need for volunteers to
convert them >from their current WordPerfect or hardcopy format
into spreadsheet/database format acceptable to JRI-Poland.
If you would like to volunteer to assist, please contact the
KR-SIG Journal editor, Warren Blatt at: wblatt@...

JRI-Poland is very appreciative of the spirit of sharing that is
exemplified by this agreement. At the same time, we encourage
our Shtetl CO-OP leaders and volunteers who have indexed records
for towns that fall within the interests of the Kielce-Radom SIG,
to take the next step and create full extracts for publication
in the "Kielce-Radom SIG Journal".

Stanley Diamond
Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland


June Meeting Greater Orlando Florida #general

SSeckbach
 

Our next meeting is Tuesday, June 12, 2001, in the Senior Lounge of the
JCC. This is our annual sharing success stories and problem solving
meeting. If you have a success story to share please e-mail me so that
I can place you on the agenda. Tuesday bring all of your successes and
problem.

Sim Seckbach
Sseckbach@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen June Meeting Greater Orlando Florida #general

SSeckbach
 

Our next meeting is Tuesday, June 12, 2001, in the Senior Lounge of the
JCC. This is our annual sharing success stories and problem solving
meeting. If you have a success story to share please e-mail me so that
I can place you on the agenda. Tuesday bring all of your successes and
problem.

Sim Seckbach
Sseckbach@...


Kindness & Rudeness #general

Rosalind Romem <rromem@...>
 

It seems that some people reply immediately, appreciating that that is the
beauty of email. Others do not differentiate it >from snailmail and forget
to reply. I've had replies after a month. And some don't ever.

However I am overwhelmed at the kindness of people I have never met,
strangers and newly discovered relative alike. After 4 months I have a
wonderful family tree with real people behind some of the "leaves" of the
tree. A big thank you to those wonderful people who make this possible.

However one unpleasant event was a stream of letters >from a regular genner
who objected to the content of a letter I had not actually written but
replied to and eventually became obusive. I gave up trying to reply her.

Shabbat Shalom

Ros Romem


Brooklyn Marriage Indices & Salt Lake City #general

Carol Raspler
 

From: Carol Raspler <craspler@...>
I'm looking for a Brooklyn (Kings County) Marriage Index for 1890 on.
The Family History Catalogue lists one (under New York City) 1894-1897
for Booklyn, and then they exist >from 1897, but I don't see one for the
years preceding.<

Jeremy Frankel of Oakland, CA <jfrankel@...> responded:
In the LDS Research Outline for New York, it lists on page 31 that for
Brooklyn the 1894 - 1937 index is a groom index. They have microfilmed
the marriage certificates for the period 1866-1937. . . There is also
a "consolidated" five borough Soundex index from, I believe 1888 -1937.<


Hi Jeremy and All:
'though my search on the LDS Catalogue is for a Brooklyn Marriage Index
from 1890 and I still don't see it, I have found Groom Index Cards on LDS
Film back to 1866. I hope they include Brooklyn. Is that what you meant?

Jeremy, can you tell us what the LDS Research Outline for New York is?

I am preparing for a summer research trip to SLC by trying to locate the
LDS Film Numbers for everything I want to find out there. One tries to do
this by accessing the LDS Catalogue at FamilySearch.org and working one's
way through it. Sometimes it gives you as much grief as the EIDB. Other
times you get a hit -- also like the EIDB!

These are the same microfilms that you can order through your local Family
History Center should you be fortunate enough to have one in your town.
Good luck to us all,
Carol Raspler, Delray Beach, FL


Certificates of Arrival--1906 Date #general

mleonards . <mleonards@...>
 

I have obtained naturalization papers (Declarations and Petitions) for
four individuals, filed with four different courts between 1915-1937. All
of the people claimed to have immigrated into New York between 1892-1904.
I've been unable to locate any of them on the EIDB.

The ship information on the applications ranges >from name of ship and date
of arrival (but I checked the manifest, and he's not there) to "don't
remember" (the applicant was a child at the time of immigration, and
middle-aged at the time of application). None of the naturalization
documentation included a Certificate of Arrival.

Now, I've checked the JewishGen archive, and there is contradictory
information about whether Certificates of Arrival were required of
everyone who applied for naturalization after 1906, or only those who'd
arrived in the United States in 1906 or later. (However, no one wondering
about passenger list notations refers to a pre-1906 arrival.)

Can someone tell me definitively whether Certificates of Arrival would
have been required for these naturalizations? If so, since I did not
receive them >from the local court archives, will NARA definitely have them?

Thanks for your help.
Monica Leonards
Glenside, Pennsylvania


Sorry for vocabulary mistake! #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

One difficult element about living in another country
and attempting to learn another language is that one
begins to forget words in one's mother tongue (before
they are replaced by the new language).

In my long post about contacting relatives by mail,
phone or internet, I certainly pulled a blooper, caught
by some eagle-eyed Genners.

In the lines below, the word "peak" should, of course,
have been "pique."

Sorry,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@...

Simple to ask a question, simple to answer. And always
include the phrase: "Can you ask a parent or
grandparent if any of these details are
familiar?" The younger generation may not know or care,
but you might ***peak*** their interest enough to have them
call an elder member of the family, who just might be
the person you need to find.