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Re: 98 Attorney St., NY, Jack, Esther and Bertha SCHNALL #general

Sherribob <sherribob@...>
 

Shawn,

Attorney Street is on the Lower East Side, and it was one of the streets
that the Galicians, in particular, settled on circa 1890's, 1900's. At
that time it would have had tenements, typical buildings had many
apartments on one floor, and one bathroom on each floor shared by all the
families. My mom recalls that the bathtub was in the kitchen.

My late uncle, who passed on at the age of 98, also recalled living in
apartments on the Lower East Side with no plumbing, where there was an
outhouse in the back of the house.

Today the Lower East Side is being gentrified.

To find out more about the family he was bound for you might trying
searching either federal or NY State census.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 98 Attorney St., NY, Jack, Esther and Bertha SCHNALL #general

Sherribob <sherribob@...>
 

Shawn,

Attorney Street is on the Lower East Side, and it was one of the streets
that the Galicians, in particular, settled on circa 1890's, 1900's. At
that time it would have had tenements, typical buildings had many
apartments on one floor, and one bathroom on each floor shared by all the
families. My mom recalls that the bathtub was in the kitchen.

My late uncle, who passed on at the age of 98, also recalled living in
apartments on the Lower East Side with no plumbing, where there was an
outhouse in the back of the house.

Today the Lower East Side is being gentrified.

To find out more about the family he was bound for you might trying
searching either federal or NY State census.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish


Summer issue of Avotaynu #general

Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@...>
 

The Summer issue of AVOTAYNU will be mailed later this week. It is
rich with articles by experts in their respective fields. Topics
include unexpected genealogical resources at the Central Archives
for the History of the Jewish People by Hadassah Assouline,
archivist of CAHJP; an update on Jewish emigration through Hamburg
by Juergen Sielemann of the Hamburg City Archives; a report on the
trend toward creating a common database of Holocaust victims by
Peter Lande; Mexican-U.S. border crossings by Claire Prechtel-
Kluskens of the U.S. National Archives; the Central and East
European map collection of the U.S. Library of Congress by Stephen
Paczolt, of the Geography and Map Division of the LOC; and history
of the Jews of Transylvania by Romanian history professor and
AVOTAYNU Contributing Editor, Ladislau Gyemant.

Among the other topics are strategies for using the Ellis Island
database by Gary Mokotoff; and new resources in Israel found by
AVOTAYNU editor, Sallyann Sack, on her annual trek to Israel.

Gary Mokotoff


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Summer issue of Avotaynu #general

Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@...>
 

The Summer issue of AVOTAYNU will be mailed later this week. It is
rich with articles by experts in their respective fields. Topics
include unexpected genealogical resources at the Central Archives
for the History of the Jewish People by Hadassah Assouline,
archivist of CAHJP; an update on Jewish emigration through Hamburg
by Juergen Sielemann of the Hamburg City Archives; a report on the
trend toward creating a common database of Holocaust victims by
Peter Lande; Mexican-U.S. border crossings by Claire Prechtel-
Kluskens of the U.S. National Archives; the Central and East
European map collection of the U.S. Library of Congress by Stephen
Paczolt, of the Geography and Map Division of the LOC; and history
of the Jews of Transylvania by Romanian history professor and
AVOTAYNU Contributing Editor, Ladislau Gyemant.

Among the other topics are strategies for using the Ellis Island
database by Gary Mokotoff; and new resources in Israel found by
AVOTAYNU editor, Sallyann Sack, on her annual trek to Israel.

Gary Mokotoff


Re: Towns with no records at AGAD #general

Willie46@...
 

The JRI-Poland AGAD Archives project indices are prepared directly >from the
actual record entry as no index pages exist for these records. Starting with
the most recent AGAD towns, JRI-Poland has standardized the input of all
index entries to include a town reference, if one exists. This applies to
both mother and father for birth records and bride and groom for marriage
records.

The JRI-Poland Database search can only be performed by Surname. Israel is
correct that a surname search and the entry of a Town name (for example
Podkamen) will search the entire database for that combination and will show
index entries >from other towns where the town reference shows Podkamen.

For most researchers the broadest possible search is still recommended.
However, limiting the search to a specific province or gubernia may be
desirable in many cases. If you are researching a commonly used surname like
"Friedman" or "Rubenstein", it is helpful to limit the request to something
more manageable. But even if you are sure your family came >from a specific
town, it may be helpful to start by widening your surname search to the
province or gubernia in which the town was located. You are likely to find
other branches of your family in other towns in that province or gubernia.

To search for index entries for the area of Galicia covered by the AGAD
project, set "Province" to "Ukraine." To broaden a search to cover all of
Galicia, set "Gubernia" to "Galicia." Using any of these search strategies
will still identify entries for your surname with the town reference of
Podkamen, but only in the Geography you have set.

In Israel's case where he wants to identify any Pickholtz record in the
**entire database** that references the town of Podkamen, inputting Podkamen
in the "Town" field is the correct strategy.

Mark Halpern
AGAD Archive Coordinator
JRI-Poland

In a message dated 7/22/01 1:41:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
"IsraelP" <zach4v6@actcom.co.il> writes:
I just learned that even though a town has no records at AGAD, you
can still search for a surname >from that town on JRI, and if the town is
mentioned elsewhere, you will get results. For instance, when I
looked up Pikholz >from Podkamen (which has no records), I received
a result of a Pikholz Skalat record in which the mother was >from
Podkamen.

Mark didn't seem to think this was particularly noteworthy, but I do, so
I'm sharing it with the rest of you.


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Towns with no records at AGAD #poland

Willie46@...
 

The JRI-Poland AGAD Archives project indices are prepared directly >from the
actual record entry as no index pages exist for these records. Starting with
the most recent AGAD towns, JRI-Poland has standardized the input of all
index entries to include a town reference, if one exists. This applies to
both mother and father for birth records and bride and groom for marriage
records.

The JRI-Poland Database search can only be performed by Surname. Israel is
correct that a surname search and the entry of a Town name (for example
Podkamen) will search the entire database for that combination and will show
index entries >from other towns where the town reference shows Podkamen.

For most researchers the broadest possible search is still recommended.
However, limiting the search to a specific province or gubernia may be
desirable in many cases. If you are researching a commonly used surname like
"Friedman" or "Rubenstein", it is helpful to limit the request to something
more manageable. But even if you are sure your family came >from a specific
town, it may be helpful to start by widening your surname search to the
province or gubernia in which the town was located. You are likely to find
other branches of your family in other towns in that province or gubernia.

To search for index entries for the area of Galicia covered by the AGAD
project, set "Province" to "Ukraine." To broaden a search to cover all of
Galicia, set "Gubernia" to "Galicia." Using any of these search strategies
will still identify entries for your surname with the town reference of
Podkamen, but only in the Geography you have set.

In Israel's case where he wants to identify any Pickholtz record in the
**entire database** that references the town of Podkamen, inputting Podkamen
in the "Town" field is the correct strategy.

Mark Halpern
AGAD Archive Coordinator
JRI-Poland

In a message dated 7/22/01 1:41:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
"IsraelP" <zach4v6@actcom.co.il> writes:
I just learned that even though a town has no records at AGAD, you
can still search for a surname >from that town on JRI, and if the town is
mentioned elsewhere, you will get results. For instance, when I
looked up Pikholz >from Podkamen (which has no records), I received
a result of a Pikholz Skalat record in which the mother was >from
Podkamen.

Mark didn't seem to think this was particularly noteworthy, but I do, so
I'm sharing it with the rest of you.


Goerck Street and Cannon Street in New York City #general

Robert Mandelbaum
 

Thanks to those of you who so kindly responded to my post about mapping
software, I now know that I **can** plot my various relatives who lived on
the Lower East Side. One problem, though: The software apparently
recognizes only current street names. Does anyone know where Manhattan's
Goerck Street and Cannon Street were and what streets they would be
today? (I have a sneaking suspicion that one of these might be today's
Greene Street or Mercer Street, but I could easily be wrong.)

Thanks very much,
Robert Mandelbaum
New York, New York
rmandelbau@aol.com


NYC's Lower East Side: paperback with old maps, etc. #general

Sheridan Kern <SheridanSquare@...>
 

I just picked this book for $10: "Oscar Israelowitz's Lower East Side
Tourbook", 6th edition. In addition to suggested walks and tours if
visiting the neighborhood, it includes old street maps of the area
in 1914, a list of the old synagogues in 1921 by address, and other key
"landmarks", buildings etc. It is a good reference of the area for
questions that come up regarding old addresses, etc. It is published by
the author.

Sheri Kern
NYC
Sheridansquare@sprintmail.com


Hebrew names on Gravestones? #general

Albert Braunstein <sbr@...>
 

On her gravestone one of my female ancestors had the Hebrew (or possibly
Yiddish) given names
chet-aleph-shin-ayin resh-aleph-nun-aleph

Any ideas how these names would be pronounced?

Albert Braunstein
Melbourne, Australia


CORB/KORB family #general

sybil goldberg <syb12@...>
 

I am searching relatives of Sarah Corb/Korb who was born in Gombin 1828 and
came to London with her married son and Morris Corb and Daughter in Law
Gittel (born Kriesman) can anyone help please.

Sybil Goldberg e mail syb12@optusnet.com


Towns with no records at AGAD #general

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

I just learned that even though a town has no records at AGAD, you
can still search for a surname >from that town on JRI, and if the town is
mentioned elsewhere, you will get results. For instance, when I
looked up Pikholz >from Podkamen (which has no records), I received
a result of a Pikholz Skalat record in which the mother was >from
Podkamen.

Mark didn't seem to think this was particularly noteworthy, but I do, so
I'm sharing it with the rest of you.

Israel Pickholtz

MODERATOR NOTE: The JRI-Poland searchable database of vital record indices
for current and past territories of Poland is hosted by JewishGen and can
be found at <http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/jriplweb.htm>.


Re: Ebling, Germany #general

NFatouros@...
 

In answer to Mr. Mandelbaum's 7-21-2001, I have found an entry in my
Columbia Lippincott Gazetteer for "Elbing" or in Polish,"Elblag." It is in
the Gdansk area, located on the Elbing River,below its mouth opening onto
the Vistula lagoon and 35 miles east southeast of Danzig. It was a major
port for trade with England. As is often the case with Eastern European
towns, this one passed >from one country to another throughout its history.
During WW II it was mostly destroyed and its German population was
"evacuated."

Of course, I can't be sure this was the town where Mr. Mandelbaum's great
great grandparents resided.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;SAS, Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol; BEHAM,
Salok, Kharkov.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Goerck Street and Cannon Street in New York City #general

Robert Mandelbaum
 

Thanks to those of you who so kindly responded to my post about mapping
software, I now know that I **can** plot my various relatives who lived on
the Lower East Side. One problem, though: The software apparently
recognizes only current street names. Does anyone know where Manhattan's
Goerck Street and Cannon Street were and what streets they would be
today? (I have a sneaking suspicion that one of these might be today's
Greene Street or Mercer Street, but I could easily be wrong.)

Thanks very much,
Robert Mandelbaum
New York, New York
rmandelbau@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NYC's Lower East Side: paperback with old maps, etc. #general

Sheridan Kern <SheridanSquare@...>
 

I just picked this book for $10: "Oscar Israelowitz's Lower East Side
Tourbook", 6th edition. In addition to suggested walks and tours if
visiting the neighborhood, it includes old street maps of the area
in 1914, a list of the old synagogues in 1921 by address, and other key
"landmarks", buildings etc. It is a good reference of the area for
questions that come up regarding old addresses, etc. It is published by
the author.

Sheri Kern
NYC
Sheridansquare@sprintmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hebrew names on Gravestones? #general

Albert Braunstein <sbr@...>
 

On her gravestone one of my female ancestors had the Hebrew (or possibly
Yiddish) given names
chet-aleph-shin-ayin resh-aleph-nun-aleph

Any ideas how these names would be pronounced?

Albert Braunstein
Melbourne, Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen CORB/KORB family #general

sybil goldberg <syb12@...>
 

I am searching relatives of Sarah Corb/Korb who was born in Gombin 1828 and
came to London with her married son and Morris Corb and Daughter in Law
Gittel (born Kriesman) can anyone help please.

Sybil Goldberg e mail syb12@optusnet.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Towns with no records at AGAD #general

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

I just learned that even though a town has no records at AGAD, you
can still search for a surname >from that town on JRI, and if the town is
mentioned elsewhere, you will get results. For instance, when I
looked up Pikholz >from Podkamen (which has no records), I received
a result of a Pikholz Skalat record in which the mother was >from
Podkamen.

Mark didn't seem to think this was particularly noteworthy, but I do, so
I'm sharing it with the rest of you.

Israel Pickholtz

MODERATOR NOTE: The JRI-Poland searchable database of vital record indices
for current and past territories of Poland is hosted by JewishGen and can
be found at <http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/jriplweb.htm>.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ebling, Germany #general

NFatouros@...
 

In answer to Mr. Mandelbaum's 7-21-2001, I have found an entry in my
Columbia Lippincott Gazetteer for "Elbing" or in Polish,"Elblag." It is in
the Gdansk area, located on the Elbing River,below its mouth opening onto
the Vistula lagoon and 35 miles east southeast of Danzig. It was a major
port for trade with England. As is often the case with Eastern European
towns, this one passed >from one country to another throughout its history.
During WW II it was mostly destroyed and its German population was
"evacuated."

Of course, I can't be sure this was the town where Mr. Mandelbaum's great
great grandparents resided.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;SAS, Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol; BEHAM,
Salok, Kharkov.


Re: Williamsburg Lodge #general

Elise Friedman <elise@...>
 

On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Marilyn wrote:
I am interested in getting an address for phone number for Williamsburg
City Lodge a Landsmanshaft. The lodge would be >from N.Y. The burial place
is Mt. Zion in Queens, N.Y. The people are >from Lodz, Poland.

How would I get info as to whether they are still in existence?
You can call the cemetary, let them know you have family buried in the
Williamsburg City Lodge plot and ask for contact info. They usually have
a name and phone number for the society's president and whoever is
responsible for maintaining the plot info within the lodge. They should
also be able to tell you if the lodge is no longer active, since they
won't have current contact info.

I believe the office at Mt. Zion is open until 3pm on Sunday and at least
4pm during the week. You can get their phone number >from the cemetary
list on the JGSNY website: http://www.jgsny.org/nycem.htm

Elise Friedman
Columbia, Maryland

My Genealogy Website - http://www.gencircles.com/users/efriedman/

PALEVSKY/PALEFSKY, POLLACK (Horodetz, Kobryn); LIPSCHITZ/LIFSHITZ (Brisk);
GORONOVICH/GORONOWITZ (Grodietsk); COOPER/KUPER (Drohitchyn);
EISNER, SASS (Myslowice); MILLER, TAUB (Dobromil/Byblo);
FRIEDMAN, CHERNACK/CHERMACK (Russia/Poland); CHESIN (Mogilev)


Two Sisters Named Bessie #general

TomHennie <tomhennie@...>
 

Dear List,
My gf's Benzion SCHER's oldest sister who died before I was born was
referred to by members of the family as Bluminessa or Bluminessie. I
assumed that her name was Bluma, but I found her enumerated in the 1910
and 1920 census as Bessie SCHWARTZ.. Her name was given as Bessie on her
death certificate. My gf's younger sister Bessie LEVIN was called Bessie
by everyone including me, and she was enumerated in the census as Bessie
and was named Bessie on her death certificate. Both these "Bessies" were
alive at the same time..at least up until 1930. This is very confusing to
say the least. And what could have been their Yiddish names?
Thanks for any light you can shed on this,
Hennie Greenland
Scottsdale, AZ

Reseaching: >from Siauliai, Lithuania: SCHER, LOPATO, ALSCHWANGER,
JANKELOWITZ, GLASER, KUPER

from Stryy: MOLDAUER, >from Lviv: GINSBURG