Date   

Sue Levy
 

I would very much like to hear >from anyone who has the surname NOGA (or
variant) in their family tree. My grandfather was born Gershon Noga but
changed his name to George Finley after settling in England around 1900. He
was Polish. I believe the word means 'foot' in Russian and related
languages.

Any help in locating others of this name, or their place of origin, would be
appreciated.

Sue Levy
Perth, Australia
GUTMAN, WEINER, WESTERMAN(all Latvia), NOGA.


Re: Jewish communities in Britain, 18th century #unitedkingdom

Irina Fridman
 

Dear Genners,

Thank you very much for the replies. Your answers do help a lot, however I'm still puzzled:
1. Daniel Maccabeth a Low Country> [cf. Holland/Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg] is a quote >from the cathedral book c.1681, so in any case the person in question had to identify himself bfore he received some money. OK, I probably can assume that he wasnt Jewish.

2. I still do not understand, who was responsible for transportation of the Torah scrolls >from country to country? Any member of the community? Somebody in particular? Will the Torah move >from its original place only in case when the community was dispersed? Were there any other reasons for the scrolls to travel great distances? The scroll in question, as I mentioned previously originated in North Africa, according to the hand-writting of the scribe.

Kind regards,
Irene Berson
UK


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Noga #unitedkingdom

Sue Levy
 

I would very much like to hear >from anyone who has the surname NOGA (or
variant) in their family tree. My grandfather was born Gershon Noga but
changed his name to George Finley after settling in England around 1900. He
was Polish. I believe the word means 'foot' in Russian and related
languages.

Any help in locating others of this name, or their place of origin, would be
appreciated.

Sue Levy
Perth, Australia
GUTMAN, WEINER, WESTERMAN(all Latvia), NOGA.


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom RE: Jewish communities in Britain, 18th century #unitedkingdom

Irina Fridman
 

Dear Genners,

Thank you very much for the replies. Your answers do help a lot, however I'm still puzzled:
1. Daniel Maccabeth a Low Country> [cf. Holland/Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg] is a quote >from the cathedral book c.1681, so in any case the person in question had to identify himself bfore he received some money. OK, I probably can assume that he wasnt Jewish.

2. I still do not understand, who was responsible for transportation of the Torah scrolls >from country to country? Any member of the community? Somebody in particular? Will the Torah move >from its original place only in case when the community was dispersed? Were there any other reasons for the scrolls to travel great distances? The scroll in question, as I mentioned previously originated in North Africa, according to the hand-writting of the scribe.

Kind regards,
Irene Berson
UK


JEITELES/STEINBACH/WELLESCH tombstone in Timisoara - links many Vienna families #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

When Alex Woodle visited Timisoara/Temesvar this Spring, he took a photograph of a
tombstone with the name WELLESCH on it. Henry Wellisch
sent it to me as there was also a Juli JEITELES {nee STEINBACH} buried
in the grave. He knew many JEITELES were >from Prague [see Prague Conscriptions
site for a bonanza] and that I might be interested.
I stared at it and realised I knew the family and 100s of links.
Juli was married to Marcus JEITELES. The JEITELES name was changed
to JARAY in Vienna. This was a very artistic and inventive family.
Google: Jaray Vienna or Wien and you will find many articles.

What Henry did not know was that Juli was a key member of my extended family tree.
She links JEITELES; JARAY; de JARAY; SCHOENBERG from
Timisoara; [also Randy's different SCHOENBERG family]; BUNZL; HIRSCH;
and BACHRACH families of Vienna plus BING and FUNK families of
Hamburg and Prossnitz. A tree starting with these JEITELES and
branching out would be enormous.

Juli and Marcus are also the gtgt grandparents of Ron de Jaray in Vancouver. I
just phoned him with the good news. Who exactly Schendel JEITELES {nee WELLESCH}
is, I do not know. I think she may be the mother
of Markus, ie Juli's mother-in-law. She died aged 49? in the year 5590 {1829}.
The photograph is not too clear. We will have to send someone
to Timisoara to get another one and look for Marcus JEITELES' grave.
See: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/2843988376/

I have no idea whether these JEITELES were originally >from Prague
or a link to the Moravian JEITELES, some of whom may have moved to
Banat County. I would guess the latter.

See: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?letter=J&artid=212
for a famous Moravian JEITELES.

Genealogically speaking, life is definitely full of surprises! Thank you Alex for
taking the picture and Henry for passing it on.

Celia Male - London, U.K.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech JEITELES/STEINBACH/WELLESCH tombstone in Timisoara - links many Vienna families #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

When Alex Woodle visited Timisoara/Temesvar this Spring, he took a photograph of a
tombstone with the name WELLESCH on it. Henry Wellisch
sent it to me as there was also a Juli JEITELES {nee STEINBACH} buried
in the grave. He knew many JEITELES were >from Prague [see Prague Conscriptions
site for a bonanza] and that I might be interested.
I stared at it and realised I knew the family and 100s of links.
Juli was married to Marcus JEITELES. The JEITELES name was changed
to JARAY in Vienna. This was a very artistic and inventive family.
Google: Jaray Vienna or Wien and you will find many articles.

What Henry did not know was that Juli was a key member of my extended family tree.
She links JEITELES; JARAY; de JARAY; SCHOENBERG from
Timisoara; [also Randy's different SCHOENBERG family]; BUNZL; HIRSCH;
and BACHRACH families of Vienna plus BING and FUNK families of
Hamburg and Prossnitz. A tree starting with these JEITELES and
branching out would be enormous.

Juli and Marcus are also the gtgt grandparents of Ron de Jaray in Vancouver. I
just phoned him with the good news. Who exactly Schendel JEITELES {nee WELLESCH}
is, I do not know. I think she may be the mother
of Markus, ie Juli's mother-in-law. She died aged 49? in the year 5590 {1829}.
The photograph is not too clear. We will have to send someone
to Timisoara to get another one and look for Marcus JEITELES' grave.
See: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/2843988376/

I have no idea whether these JEITELES were originally >from Prague
or a link to the Moravian JEITELES, some of whom may have moved to
Banat County. I would guess the latter.

See: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?letter=J&artid=212
for a famous Moravian JEITELES.

Genealogically speaking, life is definitely full of surprises! Thank you Alex for
taking the picture and Henry for passing it on.

Celia Male - London, U.K.


Norbert JOKL, Albanalogist from Bisenz/Bzenec, Moravia - OBERLANDER family link #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Ever since I read about Norbert JOKL I felt close to him. All that
work, for years and years and then his precious library stolen from
under his nose by the Gestapo, probably >from orders >from on-high.
I have written about him extensively on the SIG [see message archives
and the last posting*] and had a breakthrough recently when, at last
I found his parents' names - Heinrich and Emilie nee HAAS. Furthermore,
he appears to be a cousin of Ing. Ignatz KNOPFELMACHER - both were
murdered in the holocaust.

see pictures here: http://www.univie.ac.at/klassphil/ub-geschichte/Jokl-Biographie.htm

I have just written Norbert's POT for Yad Vashem and submitted it.
And now I have further data on his family: I found his entry in the
Neue Freie Presse {NFP} for his mother's death:
http://tinyurl.com/5pg2mr - 6th January 1917 p 30 - we see that
Enilie died on the 3rd January 1917 aged 70; was a widow; was buried
in Bisenz on the 5th January at 3pm, presumably together with her
husband Heinrich. Also we now know she had a brother Anton HAAS and
a sister Rosalie OBERLANDER. Locations given for the family are
Vienna, Bisenz/Bzenec and Krasno nad Becvou.

One day I hope someone will photograph the family grave. Norbert
apparently had no living siblings. Little by little we chip away
and get results.

Celia Male - London, U.K.

see: Norbert JOKL of Bisenz, Moravia and his KNOPFELMACHER relatives
- a photographic clue - Austriaczech SIG - 21 June 2008

Names connected to this Moravian tree: JOKL BERGER KNOPFELMACHER
HAAS OBERLANDER - places: Vienna; Bisenz and Krasno nad Becvou, Moravia


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Norbert JOKL, Albanalogist from Bisenz/Bzenec, Moravia - OBERLANDER family link #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Ever since I read about Norbert JOKL I felt close to him. All that
work, for years and years and then his precious library stolen from
under his nose by the Gestapo, probably >from orders >from on-high.
I have written about him extensively on the SIG [see message archives
and the last posting*] and had a breakthrough recently when, at last
I found his parents' names - Heinrich and Emilie nee HAAS. Furthermore,
he appears to be a cousin of Ing. Ignatz KNOPFELMACHER - both were
murdered in the holocaust.

see pictures here: http://www.univie.ac.at/klassphil/ub-geschichte/Jokl-Biographie.htm

I have just written Norbert's POT for Yad Vashem and submitted it.
And now I have further data on his family: I found his entry in the
Neue Freie Presse {NFP} for his mother's death:
http://tinyurl.com/5pg2mr - 6th January 1917 p 30 - we see that
Enilie died on the 3rd January 1917 aged 70; was a widow; was buried
in Bisenz on the 5th January at 3pm, presumably together with her
husband Heinrich. Also we now know she had a brother Anton HAAS and
a sister Rosalie OBERLANDER. Locations given for the family are
Vienna, Bisenz/Bzenec and Krasno nad Becvou.

One day I hope someone will photograph the family grave. Norbert
apparently had no living siblings. Little by little we chip away
and get results.

Celia Male - London, U.K.

see: Norbert JOKL of Bisenz, Moravia and his KNOPFELMACHER relatives
- a photographic clue - Austriaczech SIG - 21 June 2008

Names connected to this Moravian tree: JOKL BERGER KNOPFELMACHER
HAAS OBERLANDER - places: Vienna; Bisenz and Krasno nad Becvou, Moravia


Metz - school terminology in early 1860s #france

Paul King
 

My great uncle studied at Metz >from age 14 to 17.

I am in possession of a number of school slips >from 1861 and 1862 on which
are written "Bonne Conduite et Travail" and below that "IMMUNITE". One slip
has "Immunite Speciale".

The school is referred to on one slip as "Ecole de J. Bloch" and signed by
the "Instituteur". The rest of the slips are signed by "Le Professeur" or
"L'Agent generale des Ecoles" and have the following:
Ecoles Municipales de la Ville de Metz
Enseignement Superieur
Billet de Satisfaction.

I only have some slips >from 1861 and 1862. To the best of my knowledge, the
person attended school >from Sept 1861 to June 1865 [4 years - age 14 to 17].

1. Do I understand correctly that we are not talking about l'Ecole Normale
at Metz?

2. What is "immunite"?

3. Does anyone have information about "l'ecole de J. Bloch" [possibly
Block].

4. Does one graduate with a baccalaureat?? Or is there a high-school
certificate at age 17?

Please reply privately,

Paul King
Jerusalem


French SIG #France Metz - school terminology in early 1860s #france

Paul King
 

My great uncle studied at Metz >from age 14 to 17.

I am in possession of a number of school slips >from 1861 and 1862 on which
are written "Bonne Conduite et Travail" and below that "IMMUNITE". One slip
has "Immunite Speciale".

The school is referred to on one slip as "Ecole de J. Bloch" and signed by
the "Instituteur". The rest of the slips are signed by "Le Professeur" or
"L'Agent generale des Ecoles" and have the following:
Ecoles Municipales de la Ville de Metz
Enseignement Superieur
Billet de Satisfaction.

I only have some slips >from 1861 and 1862. To the best of my knowledge, the
person attended school >from Sept 1861 to June 1865 [4 years - age 14 to 17].

1. Do I understand correctly that we are not talking about l'Ecole Normale
at Metz?

2. What is "immunite"?

3. Does anyone have information about "l'ecole de J. Bloch" [possibly
Block].

4. Does one graduate with a baccalaureat?? Or is there a high-school
certificate at age 17?

Please reply privately,

Paul King
Jerusalem


Seeking relative of Sylvia KAMEN of Stamford Hill, London #general

S. Cohen <scohen@...>
 

The Adath Yisroel Burial Society of London is seeking next of kin of Sylvia
KAMEN who resided at 29 Stamford Lodge, Amhurst Park N16, Stamford Hill, London.

It is assumed a relative lives in the United States.

Please read full story in the link below.

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/23189/
London:+Jewish+Lady+Not+Permitted+Burial+Until+Next+Of+Kin+Located!.html
or http://tinyurl.com/5js238 (added by Moderator)

If you have any information on this person, please call Adath Yisroel Burial
Society at (44) 208 800 9892 / (44) 7939 128 353 or call Misaskim in New York at
718-854-4548.

Sheindle Cohen (New York)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking relative of Sylvia KAMEN of Stamford Hill, London #general

S. Cohen <scohen@...>
 

The Adath Yisroel Burial Society of London is seeking next of kin of Sylvia
KAMEN who resided at 29 Stamford Lodge, Amhurst Park N16, Stamford Hill, London.

It is assumed a relative lives in the United States.

Please read full story in the link below.

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/23189/
London:+Jewish+Lady+Not+Permitted+Burial+Until+Next+Of+Kin+Located!.html
or http://tinyurl.com/5js238 (added by Moderator)

If you have any information on this person, please call Adath Yisroel Burial
Society at (44) 208 800 9892 / (44) 7939 128 353 or call Misaskim in New York at
718-854-4548.

Sheindle Cohen (New York)


Help Interpreting Canadian Border Crossing Record #general

A. E. Jordan
 

I found a confusing Canadian Border Crossing page that I am hoping someone
else might be able to interpret and explain to me based on their research
experience.

The record in question comes >from June 1920 >from Nova Scotia. I found it on
Ancestry and you can see it if you look for William David Pattie who appears
to be age 28. It is page 14 in the Ancestry images.

The pages before it are >from more than one ship arriving in I guess Halifax.
The page in question appears like some compilation of individuals seeking
to immigrate to the USA. At the top of the page are names with what appears
to be references to case numbers. Then you g further down the page and you
find a list of names including William Pattie. I think this whole list comes
under the heading of "Non-Statistical Debarred."

Do you read the list the same way?

That means he was denied entry in to the USA? Why? Is there more to the
record someplace that I am not finding/seeing?

I am trying to put the dots together on a very complicated story. He was
born in Scotland in May 1895 it appears as William David Paltie. Searching
shows that it looks like he immigrated to Canada in 1912 and in 1914 tried to
cross the USA boarder at Winnipeg and was denied. I also see a record in the
Canadian military files that makes it look like in 1915 he is using the name
Pattie and went to the 94th Overseas Battalion. Next it appears he is trying
to get into the USA in June 1920. In July 1920 his sister immigrates and she
says she is going to her brother in Detroit, Michigan but I did not find
them in the 1920 Federal Census. In 1930 they are all in New Jersey and in 1938
William David Pattie attests to have come to the United States in May 1920
at Detroit.

Very curious about the Canadian record >from 1920 and how everyone else reads
it.

Thanks

Allan Jordan
a e j o r d a n (at) a o l . c o m


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help Interpreting Canadian Border Crossing Record #general

A. E. Jordan
 

I found a confusing Canadian Border Crossing page that I am hoping someone
else might be able to interpret and explain to me based on their research
experience.

The record in question comes >from June 1920 >from Nova Scotia. I found it on
Ancestry and you can see it if you look for William David Pattie who appears
to be age 28. It is page 14 in the Ancestry images.

The pages before it are >from more than one ship arriving in I guess Halifax.
The page in question appears like some compilation of individuals seeking
to immigrate to the USA. At the top of the page are names with what appears
to be references to case numbers. Then you g further down the page and you
find a list of names including William Pattie. I think this whole list comes
under the heading of "Non-Statistical Debarred."

Do you read the list the same way?

That means he was denied entry in to the USA? Why? Is there more to the
record someplace that I am not finding/seeing?

I am trying to put the dots together on a very complicated story. He was
born in Scotland in May 1895 it appears as William David Paltie. Searching
shows that it looks like he immigrated to Canada in 1912 and in 1914 tried to
cross the USA boarder at Winnipeg and was denied. I also see a record in the
Canadian military files that makes it look like in 1915 he is using the name
Pattie and went to the 94th Overseas Battalion. Next it appears he is trying
to get into the USA in June 1920. In July 1920 his sister immigrates and she
says she is going to her brother in Detroit, Michigan but I did not find
them in the 1920 Federal Census. In 1930 they are all in New Jersey and in 1938
William David Pattie attests to have come to the United States in May 1920
at Detroit.

Very curious about the Canadian record >from 1920 and how everyone else reads
it.

Thanks

Allan Jordan
a e j o r d a n (at) a o l . c o m


Jewish Family Tree Initiative - Boulder, Colorado #general

Ellen Shindelman Kowitt
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Colorado will lead an eight-part adult
education series at Congregation Har HaShem, 3950 Baseline Road, Boulder,
Colorado, titled, ?The Jewish Family Tree Initiative: Workshop and Mentoring
Series.? Awarded a Rose Community Foundation grant, each two-hour session
will be comprised of an instructional lecture and hands-on workshop to
assist individuals with the creation of family trees. Educational topics
are meant to stand alone as learning opportunities or as building blocks
from one session to the next. Attend one or as many sessions as scheduling
permits. Mentoring assistance will be available. This program is open to
the public. The first lecture will be on Thursday, September 18th >from 6-8
pm. Other dates are on the website at www.jewishgen.org/jgs-colorado/.

$15 one-time materials fee for all attendees plus $5 additional lecture fee
per session attended (the lecture fee will be waived for members of
Congregation Har HaShem, attendees of Limmud Colorado 2008, and JGSCO
members.)

Rose Community Foundation awards grants to organizations, projects and
initiatives serving the seven-county Greater Denver community in the areas
of Aging, Child and Family Development, Education, Health and Jewish Life.
http://www.rcfdenver.org/

For more information, contact Ellen Shindelman Kowitt at
grapevynwest@....


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Family Tree Initiative - Boulder, Colorado #general

Ellen Shindelman Kowitt
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Colorado will lead an eight-part adult
education series at Congregation Har HaShem, 3950 Baseline Road, Boulder,
Colorado, titled, ?The Jewish Family Tree Initiative: Workshop and Mentoring
Series.? Awarded a Rose Community Foundation grant, each two-hour session
will be comprised of an instructional lecture and hands-on workshop to
assist individuals with the creation of family trees. Educational topics
are meant to stand alone as learning opportunities or as building blocks
from one session to the next. Attend one or as many sessions as scheduling
permits. Mentoring assistance will be available. This program is open to
the public. The first lecture will be on Thursday, September 18th >from 6-8
pm. Other dates are on the website at www.jewishgen.org/jgs-colorado/.

$15 one-time materials fee for all attendees plus $5 additional lecture fee
per session attended (the lecture fee will be waived for members of
Congregation Har HaShem, attendees of Limmud Colorado 2008, and JGSCO
members.)

Rose Community Foundation awards grants to organizations, projects and
initiatives serving the seven-county Greater Denver community in the areas
of Aging, Child and Family Development, Education, Health and Jewish Life.
http://www.rcfdenver.org/

For more information, contact Ellen Shindelman Kowitt at
grapevynwest@....


JGS Oregon: September 16th Monthly Program Meeting #general

Ronald D. Doctor <rondoctor@...>
 

JGS of Oregon Monthly Program Meeting:
Tuesday September 16, 2008

Two Part Program, 7:00 pm to 9:00 pm:
Open Discussion led by JGSO Board
about "Genealogy Successes and Successful Techniques"
plus
"Beshert", a short film by Rick Kolinksky illustrating
his discoveries on a visit to his ancestral villages in Ukraine

Place: Ahavath Achim Synagogue
3225 SW Barbur Blvd
Portland, Oregon
Doors open at 6:45 pm.

For more information, please call or contact
Barbara Hershey: Barbara.Hershey@...,
or 503-249-1976, or visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~orjgs


Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington #general

Melanie Grishman
 

What Every Genealogist Should Know About Copyrights
Date: September 14, 2008
Time: 1:30 PM
Location: B'nai Israel Congregation, 6301 Montrose Rd., Rockville, MD
Speaker Lindsey I Tonsager, a lawyer in media and communications
Website: www.jewishgen.org/jgsgw/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Oregon: September 16th Monthly Program Meeting #general

Ronald D. Doctor <rondoctor@...>
 

JGS of Oregon Monthly Program Meeting:
Tuesday September 16, 2008

Two Part Program, 7:00 pm to 9:00 pm:
Open Discussion led by JGSO Board
about "Genealogy Successes and Successful Techniques"
plus
"Beshert", a short film by Rick Kolinksky illustrating
his discoveries on a visit to his ancestral villages in Ukraine

Place: Ahavath Achim Synagogue
3225 SW Barbur Blvd
Portland, Oregon
Doors open at 6:45 pm.

For more information, please call or contact
Barbara Hershey: Barbara.Hershey@...,
or 503-249-1976, or visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~orjgs


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington #general

Melanie Grishman
 

What Every Genealogist Should Know About Copyrights
Date: September 14, 2008
Time: 1:30 PM
Location: B'nai Israel Congregation, 6301 Montrose Rd., Rockville, MD
Speaker Lindsey I Tonsager, a lawyer in media and communications
Website: www.jewishgen.org/jgsgw/