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SERENA from the ghetto di Venezia 19 th #general

Jpfano357@...
 

Dear Friends
Bonjour
I am searching the descendancy of :
Rachel FANO ( 1788 + 1838 ) Ghetto Novo,Venezia, Italia Maried to:
SERENA
A mable plate,( with her maiden & Maried name) is in the "Scola Canton" in
the Ghetto Novo di venezia.

Could any body help me in my research concerning the descendancy of this
couple.
Merci beaucoup pour votre aide.
Sincerely yours
My research in Venezia Italia : 19 th & 20 th
FANO, CIVIDAL, SERENA , CUTTI , SCARAMELLA, BARZILAY or FERRO ,

My research in Istanbul (Constantinople) Turkey: 19 th & 20 th
FANO , DE CASTRO , DAVIDSON , LUZENA, VITERBO

John Patrick FANO - Aix en Provence - France - jpfano357@aol.com
CIVIDAL from the Ghetto di Venezia 19TH century #general

Jpfano357@...
 

Dear Friends
Bonjour

I am searching the descendancy of :

Jacob CIVIDAL ( GEMELLI ) (Ca 1780 + ? ) maried to :
Sara Allegra Anneta FANO (1785 + ?)

They had at list 4 children born the 18/10/1806 , 19/ 08/1808, 14/01/1811,
23/05/1813 in the Ghetto Novo di venezia
I can'nt found the names of these children !!!! I did ten years ago made a
copie of the register ( concerning Jacob & Sara ) >from the Archives of the
comunita Ebraica di venezia but these are missing .
Does anybody could give me some informations. About them !!!!
Sincerely yours
A biento4t
My research in Venezia : FANO , CIVIDAL , SERENA >from 1797 to 1897

John Patrick FANO - Aix en Provence - France - jpfano357@aol.com
Re: General SOVINSKY - Poland #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

"Schelly Dardashti" <dardasht@barak-online.net> wrote

I am trying to hunt down information for family friends
here in Israel.
The family, which adopted the name SAVILLE in England,
descends >from a General SOVINSKY in Poland (c. 1777).
The father, recently deceased, always told the children
that any one found with the name who knew about the
general would be a relative.
I have searched Family Finder for them and some other
sources.
The name could obviously be spelled ZAVINSKY, ZAWINSKY,
SAWINSKY, etc. SOVINSKY is what they originally used in
the UK before adopting SAVILLE.
If we had more information on the General perhaps we
can locate more information. Any of our Polish military
experts out there listening?

All help greatly appreciated.
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net

Schelly,

Every Polish child probably have heard about General Jozef Sowinski, a
patriotic Polish general with the wooden leg. Famous Polish poet Juliusz
Slowacki have written poem "W okopach Woli" (In the trenches of Wola). Wola
is Warsaw suburb and trenches of Wola refer to Polish National November
(1831) Uprising (Powstanie Listopadowe) against the Russians occupier.

Artillery Colonel (later General) Jozef Sowinski has lost his leg in the
Battle of Borodino (1812) near Moscow, the battle of Grand Armee of the
Emperor Napoleon I against the Russian Imperial Army of Alexander I (under
commander-in-chief Mikhail I. Kutuzow).

This all that I remember >from the school days. Dates are obviously matching
1777 and the Napoleonic wars. I have located English translation of the
Julius Slowacki poem about Jozef Sowinski fight in the trenches. It probably
too long for the reproduction. Please refer to the site at:

http://www.mission.net/poland/warsaw/literature/poems/sowinski.htm

Good luck with Sowinski roots.

Alexander Sharon
CAlgary. Ab.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SERENA from the ghetto di Venezia 19 th #general

Jpfano357@...
 

Dear Friends
Bonjour
I am searching the descendancy of :
Rachel FANO ( 1788 + 1838 ) Ghetto Novo,Venezia, Italia Maried to:
SERENA
A mable plate,( with her maiden & Maried name) is in the "Scola Canton" in
the Ghetto Novo di venezia.

Could any body help me in my research concerning the descendancy of this
couple.
Merci beaucoup pour votre aide.
Sincerely yours
My research in Venezia Italia : 19 th & 20 th
FANO, CIVIDAL, SERENA , CUTTI , SCARAMELLA, BARZILAY or FERRO ,

My research in Istanbul (Constantinople) Turkey: 19 th & 20 th
FANO , DE CASTRO , DAVIDSON , LUZENA, VITERBO

John Patrick FANO - Aix en Provence - France - jpfano357@aol.com
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen CIVIDAL from the Ghetto di Venezia 19TH century #general

Jpfano357@...
 

Dear Friends
Bonjour

I am searching the descendancy of :

Jacob CIVIDAL ( GEMELLI ) (Ca 1780 + ? ) maried to :
Sara Allegra Anneta FANO (1785 + ?)

They had at list 4 children born the 18/10/1806 , 19/ 08/1808, 14/01/1811,
23/05/1813 in the Ghetto Novo di venezia
I can'nt found the names of these children !!!! I did ten years ago made a
copie of the register ( concerning Jacob & Sara ) >from the Archives of the
comunita Ebraica di venezia but these are missing .
Does anybody could give me some informations. About them !!!!
Sincerely yours
A biento4t
My research in Venezia : FANO , CIVIDAL , SERENA >from 1797 to 1897

John Patrick FANO - Aix en Provence - France - jpfano357@aol.com
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: General SOVINSKY - Poland #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

"Schelly Dardashti" <dardasht@barak-online.net> wrote

I am trying to hunt down information for family friends
here in Israel.
The family, which adopted the name SAVILLE in England,
descends >from a General SOVINSKY in Poland (c. 1777).
The father, recently deceased, always told the children
that any one found with the name who knew about the
general would be a relative.
I have searched Family Finder for them and some other
sources.
The name could obviously be spelled ZAVINSKY, ZAWINSKY,
SAWINSKY, etc. SOVINSKY is what they originally used in
the UK before adopting SAVILLE.
If we had more information on the General perhaps we
can locate more information. Any of our Polish military
experts out there listening?

All help greatly appreciated.
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net

Schelly,

Every Polish child probably have heard about General Jozef Sowinski, a
patriotic Polish general with the wooden leg. Famous Polish poet Juliusz
Slowacki have written poem "W okopach Woli" (In the trenches of Wola). Wola
is Warsaw suburb and trenches of Wola refer to Polish National November
(1831) Uprising (Powstanie Listopadowe) against the Russians occupier.

Artillery Colonel (later General) Jozef Sowinski has lost his leg in the
Battle of Borodino (1812) near Moscow, the battle of Grand Armee of the
Emperor Napoleon I against the Russian Imperial Army of Alexander I (under
commander-in-chief Mikhail I. Kutuzow).

This all that I remember >from the school days. Dates are obviously matching
1777 and the Napoleonic wars. I have located English translation of the
Julius Slowacki poem about Jozef Sowinski fight in the trenches. It probably
too long for the reproduction. Please refer to the site at:

http://www.mission.net/poland/warsaw/literature/poems/sowinski.htm

Good luck with Sowinski roots.

Alexander Sharon
CAlgary. Ab.
EIDB missing manifest - lookup help #general

Ron Goldman
 

According to EIDB, my gf Isaac (transcribed by EIDB as Frank) SANDOGORSKI
arrived on the Patricia on Feb. 21, 1904, having left >from Cuxhaven,
Hamburg. He's listed on page 61, line 0003 of the text manifest, but the
original (roll T715-0431) is among the many missing manifests on the
Calzareth/Tobias list.

Will anyone doing manifest lookups at NARA be willing to access this page
for me and get the answers gf gave to 2 questions?

1. Ever in the US before?
2. To whom going in the US and the address?

I'm sure that this trip was not gf's first/original arrival, but all
efforts to find him earlier have been frustratingly unsuccessful. He
*was* here in 1903, at which time he appeared in Court to file his
Declaration of Intent, and he claimed, at that time, to have arrived in
1899.

If this is true, he had to have come through the Barge Office, Ellis
Island being closed between 6/13/1897 and 12/17/1900 due to the fire on the
former date. Are Barge Office records for that period included in
EIDB?

Ron Goldman, FL.
preshtek@gate.net

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send any replies regarding the manifest for Ron
Goldman's grandfather privately to him. Information about records during
the Barge Office period is of general interest and will be considered for
posting.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen EIDB missing manifest - lookup help #general

Ron Goldman
 

According to EIDB, my gf Isaac (transcribed by EIDB as Frank) SANDOGORSKI
arrived on the Patricia on Feb. 21, 1904, having left >from Cuxhaven,
Hamburg. He's listed on page 61, line 0003 of the text manifest, but the
original (roll T715-0431) is among the many missing manifests on the
Calzareth/Tobias list.

Will anyone doing manifest lookups at NARA be willing to access this page
for me and get the answers gf gave to 2 questions?

1. Ever in the US before?
2. To whom going in the US and the address?

I'm sure that this trip was not gf's first/original arrival, but all
efforts to find him earlier have been frustratingly unsuccessful. He
*was* here in 1903, at which time he appeared in Court to file his
Declaration of Intent, and he claimed, at that time, to have arrived in
1899.

If this is true, he had to have come through the Barge Office, Ellis
Island being closed between 6/13/1897 and 12/17/1900 due to the fire on the
former date. Are Barge Office records for that period included in
EIDB?

Ron Goldman, FL.
preshtek@gate.net

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send any replies regarding the manifest for Ron
Goldman's grandfather privately to him. Information about records during
the Barge Office period is of general interest and will be considered for
posting.
General SOVINSKY - Poland #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

I am trying to hunt down information for family friends
here in Israel.
The family, which adopted the name SAVILLE in England,
descends >from a General SOVINSKY in Poland (c. 1777).
The father, recently deceased, always told the children
that any one found with the name who knew about the
general would be a relative.
I have searched Family Finder for them and some other
sources.
The name could obviously be spelled ZAVINSKY, ZAWINSKY,
SAWINSKY, etc. SOVINSKY is what they originally used in
the UK before adopting SAVILLE.
If we had more information on the General perhaps we
can locate more information. Any of our Polish military
experts out there listening?

All help greatly appreciated.
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net
Mogilev to Baku (Azerbaijan) 1903 #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

We have a TALALAY family (born in Mogilev) in Baku from
the early years of 1900s, according to HIAS records in
Philadelphia. I could never figure out why their last
place of residence was Baku.

Recently I came across an article on Azerbaijan and
found one reason, which might help other researchers
also looking for lost branches.

The story goes that in 1903, oil was discovered in
Baku, Azerbaijan, and thousands of impoverished Jews
from all over Russia went down to Baku to try and make
their fortunes in "black gold."
I don't know if our branch did so.

All the sons (and the father visited them, returning to
Russia) emigrated to Philadelphia, beginning in 1907,
and changed their name to FEINSTEIN.
I have not yet been able to locate our FEINSTEIN
TALALAY descendents in the Philadelphia area.

I posted on this Philadelphia connection previously in
connection with the decimating Spanish flu epidemic
that hit Philadelphia and the Northeast US (and more)
very hard, and that many families which cannot be
located might have perished in the epidemic.

The Baku connection seems interesting, and might be one
reason why missing branches are not where we expect
them to be.

Good luck,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net
HART family from Canterbury and Leicester, England #general

David Hurwich <tax-accountancy@...>
 

I am a great-grandson of Henry HART of Canterbury, who was mayor of
Canterbury 3 times in the 19th century. Henry's brother Sir Israel
HART was mayor of Leicester 4 times.
I am trying to trace their descendants or antecedents.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen General SOVINSKY - Poland #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

I am trying to hunt down information for family friends
here in Israel.
The family, which adopted the name SAVILLE in England,
descends >from a General SOVINSKY in Poland (c. 1777).
The father, recently deceased, always told the children
that any one found with the name who knew about the
general would be a relative.
I have searched Family Finder for them and some other
sources.
The name could obviously be spelled ZAVINSKY, ZAWINSKY,
SAWINSKY, etc. SOVINSKY is what they originally used in
the UK before adopting SAVILLE.
If we had more information on the General perhaps we
can locate more information. Any of our Polish military
experts out there listening?

All help greatly appreciated.
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mogilev to Baku (Azerbaijan) 1903 #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

We have a TALALAY family (born in Mogilev) in Baku from
the early years of 1900s, according to HIAS records in
Philadelphia. I could never figure out why their last
place of residence was Baku.

Recently I came across an article on Azerbaijan and
found one reason, which might help other researchers
also looking for lost branches.

The story goes that in 1903, oil was discovered in
Baku, Azerbaijan, and thousands of impoverished Jews
from all over Russia went down to Baku to try and make
their fortunes in "black gold."
I don't know if our branch did so.

All the sons (and the father visited them, returning to
Russia) emigrated to Philadelphia, beginning in 1907,
and changed their name to FEINSTEIN.
I have not yet been able to locate our FEINSTEIN
TALALAY descendents in the Philadelphia area.

I posted on this Philadelphia connection previously in
connection with the decimating Spanish flu epidemic
that hit Philadelphia and the Northeast US (and more)
very hard, and that many families which cannot be
located might have perished in the epidemic.

The Baku connection seems interesting, and might be one
reason why missing branches are not where we expect
them to be.

Good luck,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen HART family from Canterbury and Leicester, England #general

David Hurwich <tax-accountancy@...>
 

I am a great-grandson of Henry HART of Canterbury, who was mayor of
Canterbury 3 times in the 19th century. Henry's brother Sir Israel
HART was mayor of Leicester 4 times.
I am trying to trace their descendants or antecedents.
Rosenberg Family? ViewMate Request #general

Cindy Gallard <dg2286@...>
 

I have submitted a wedding photo, which I quess is circa the 1930,s. I
suspect it may be of the Jacob Rosenberg family of Albany, NY. Jacob may
have been the owner of the Imperial Paint and Decorating Co. of Albany.
I am trying to determine if this man is the half brother of my
grandfather, Lewis Feldman of Milwaukee, Wi. I would be very grateful to
hear >from anyone who might recognize the photo.
Cindy Gallard
Denver, CO

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately. The ViewMate number is VM973, and
the direct URL is <http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/source/vm973.html>.
Re: Misha, Mendge, Mordke #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 10/12/2001 6:16:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sorlen@u.arizona.edu writes:

<< Can anyone tell me what the Hebrew equivalents might have been for the
given names

Misha--a toss-up between Moshe and Mikha'el
Mendge-->from Menachem to Mendel to Mendke/Menke
and
Mordke--a familiar form of Mordecai. Other common non-Hebrew derivatives in
European/American countries are Motti, Motte, Mark, Marx, Max, Mortiz,
Morris

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER
Re: Translation of Hebrew name: Shabtai Zisel ben Avraham #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 10/12/2001 10:02:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lkgraham@qwest.net writes:

<< If someone's Hebrew name is Shabtai Zisel
ben Avraham, what does this tell me about his ancestry. I
know his father's name was Abram in the US, so I assume "ben
Avraham" refers to his father. To what does the rest
refer? Also, if I know that the family were members of the
Agudath Achim Synagogue in their town, does this give me any
clues about their background?

Shabtai is a Hebrew name, generally more popular in Sephardi communities.
Shabbetai Zvi (1626-1676) was an important figure in Judaism down to the
19th century. He claimed to be the Messiah and at one time had a huge
following. This dropped off when he succumbed to Turkish pressure and
converted to Islam, but his message was hotly debated among Jewish rabbis
and scholars in Europe down to the 19th century. It is likely that anyone
with that name is descended >from someone somewhere whose father was inspired
by the false Messiah. The name itself is of Babylonian origin and means
"under the god Saturn"--most appropriate since the Hebrew Shabbat translates
as Saturday (Saturn's day)

A term of endearment for Shabetai is Schepsel or a form thereof; I think the
Zisel (which means "sweet one") may be a variant of Schepsel. It is most
definitelt an Ashkenazic name, and with that spelling of Eastern European
origin, perhaps Galicia (in German Zisel was rendered as Suessel or
Suesslein--and Scheppsel is the common form in Germany).

Agudat[h] Achim meaning "brotherhood" is a common name for a synagogue
congregation in the Americas in the 19th century. I think the majority by
that name were founded by immigrants >from Eastern Europe and the majority
were originally Orthodox communities--which does not necessarily mean that
its members or even officers were all staunchly religious in practie (e.g.
Sabbath observance, kosher, mikveh)

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rosenberg Family? ViewMate Request #general

Cindy Gallard <dg2286@...>
 

I have submitted a wedding photo, which I quess is circa the 1930,s. I
suspect it may be of the Jacob Rosenberg family of Albany, NY. Jacob may
have been the owner of the Imperial Paint and Decorating Co. of Albany.
I am trying to determine if this man is the half brother of my
grandfather, Lewis Feldman of Milwaukee, Wi. I would be very grateful to
hear >from anyone who might recognize the photo.
Cindy Gallard
Denver, CO

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately. The ViewMate number is VM973, and
the direct URL is <http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/source/vm973.html>.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Misha, Mendge, Mordke #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 10/12/2001 6:16:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sorlen@u.arizona.edu writes:

<< Can anyone tell me what the Hebrew equivalents might have been for the
given names

Misha--a toss-up between Moshe and Mikha'el
Mendge-->from Menachem to Mendel to Mendke/Menke
and
Mordke--a familiar form of Mordecai. Other common non-Hebrew derivatives in
European/American countries are Motti, Motte, Mark, Marx, Max, Mortiz,
Morris

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Translation of Hebrew name: Shabtai Zisel ben Avraham #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 10/12/2001 10:02:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lkgraham@qwest.net writes:

<< If someone's Hebrew name is Shabtai Zisel
ben Avraham, what does this tell me about his ancestry. I
know his father's name was Abram in the US, so I assume "ben
Avraham" refers to his father. To what does the rest
refer? Also, if I know that the family were members of the
Agudath Achim Synagogue in their town, does this give me any
clues about their background?

Shabtai is a Hebrew name, generally more popular in Sephardi communities.
Shabbetai Zvi (1626-1676) was an important figure in Judaism down to the
19th century. He claimed to be the Messiah and at one time had a huge
following. This dropped off when he succumbed to Turkish pressure and
converted to Islam, but his message was hotly debated among Jewish rabbis
and scholars in Europe down to the 19th century. It is likely that anyone
with that name is descended >from someone somewhere whose father was inspired
by the false Messiah. The name itself is of Babylonian origin and means
"under the god Saturn"--most appropriate since the Hebrew Shabbat translates
as Saturday (Saturn's day)

A term of endearment for Shabetai is Schepsel or a form thereof; I think the
Zisel (which means "sweet one") may be a variant of Schepsel. It is most
definitelt an Ashkenazic name, and with that spelling of Eastern European
origin, perhaps Galicia (in German Zisel was rendered as Suessel or
Suesslein--and Scheppsel is the common form in Germany).

Agudat[h] Achim meaning "brotherhood" is a common name for a synagogue
congregation in the Americas in the 19th century. I think the majority by
that name were founded by immigrants >from Eastern Europe and the majority
were originally Orthodox communities--which does not necessarily mean that
its members or even officers were all staunchly religious in practie (e.g.
Sabbath observance, kosher, mikveh)

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER
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