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Re: GDUD in Argentina - CD Search #general

Carlos Glikson
 

David Priever asked how to locate Gabriel GDUD in Buenos Aires - his name
did not come up in on-line white pages.

The reason: He is listed as Gabriel FELD GDUD - and he does turn up when
looking for him in the white pages CD. A search for him in the paper phone
book under GDUD would also have been negative.

Just these lines to mention there is an extra step you can give - if the
on-line and paper white pages fail, try the white pages CD - it
automatically searches last names "containing xx" too.

I am mailing David the info privately.

Hope this helps,

Carlos GLIKSON
Buenos Aires, Argentina
e-Mail cglikson@...
Searching for

GLIKSON, GLICKSON, GLUCKSOHN, GLUECKSOHN: Marijampole, Suwalki, Augustow,
Sejny,Sopotkin,Koenigsberg. POKROISKY, POKROJSKI, POKROY: Suwalki, Seirijai.
Lomza. ALPEROVICH, ALPEROWICZ: Kremenchug, Vilnius. HOLLANDERSKY,
HOLLENDERSKI, HOLLANDER: Suwalki, Seirijai, Lomza. TARNOPOLSKY, TARNOPOL:
Kremenchug, Kharkov. FELCHINSKY: Kremenchug, Vilnius, Felschtin?. KARP:
Grodno. SMELIENSKY(?),KRASNAPOLSKY(?), BLUMIGDAL (?), GOLUMBIEWSKY,
GOLOMB(?)

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Priever" <brooklyn1960@...>
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" <jewishgen@...>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:43 AM
Subject: GDUD in Argentina
Dear Fellow Jewishgenners,
About a month ago I posted a query for the surname GDUD, which comes from
Lithuania. I received several responses about the origin of the name
which I appreciated very much.

I just located, via a Google search, a gentleman named Gabriel GDUD,
affiliated in 1993 with the University of Argentina in Buenos Aires The
email address provided is obsolete and a search of phone directories in
Argentina gives me only one other GDUD, Juan.

Any ideas or suggestions in locating Gabriel GDUD will be very greatly
appreciated.

David J. Priever
brooklyn1960@...
mailto:priever@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: GDUD in Argentina - CD Search #general

Carlos Glikson
 

David Priever asked how to locate Gabriel GDUD in Buenos Aires - his name
did not come up in on-line white pages.

The reason: He is listed as Gabriel FELD GDUD - and he does turn up when
looking for him in the white pages CD. A search for him in the paper phone
book under GDUD would also have been negative.

Just these lines to mention there is an extra step you can give - if the
on-line and paper white pages fail, try the white pages CD - it
automatically searches last names "containing xx" too.

I am mailing David the info privately.

Hope this helps,

Carlos GLIKSON
Buenos Aires, Argentina
e-Mail cglikson@...
Searching for

GLIKSON, GLICKSON, GLUCKSOHN, GLUECKSOHN: Marijampole, Suwalki, Augustow,
Sejny,Sopotkin,Koenigsberg. POKROISKY, POKROJSKI, POKROY: Suwalki, Seirijai.
Lomza. ALPEROVICH, ALPEROWICZ: Kremenchug, Vilnius. HOLLANDERSKY,
HOLLENDERSKI, HOLLANDER: Suwalki, Seirijai, Lomza. TARNOPOLSKY, TARNOPOL:
Kremenchug, Kharkov. FELCHINSKY: Kremenchug, Vilnius, Felschtin?. KARP:
Grodno. SMELIENSKY(?),KRASNAPOLSKY(?), BLUMIGDAL (?), GOLUMBIEWSKY,
GOLOMB(?)

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Priever" <brooklyn1960@...>
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" <jewishgen@...>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:43 AM
Subject: GDUD in Argentina
Dear Fellow Jewishgenners,
About a month ago I posted a query for the surname GDUD, which comes from
Lithuania. I received several responses about the origin of the name
which I appreciated very much.

I just located, via a Google search, a gentleman named Gabriel GDUD,
affiliated in 1993 with the University of Argentina in Buenos Aires The
email address provided is obsolete and a search of phone directories in
Argentina gives me only one other GDUD, Juan.

Any ideas or suggestions in locating Gabriel GDUD will be very greatly
appreciated.

David J. Priever
brooklyn1960@...
mailto:priever@...


ALTMAN from Ronsperg (Pobezovice), Bohemia to London UK #unitedkingdom

Simon Torrington <storri@...>
 

I recently discovered that my direct male line is descended >from a Joseph=

ALTMAN >from Ronsperg (now called Pobezovice), Bohemia. There are plenty o=
f
London ALTMANs in my pedigree.

If you would like to share any information please let me know. Listed bel=
ow is
a list of known descendents, the number at the start of a line being the
generation number. I can provide a GEDCOM if you would like one.

Thanks,
Simon Torrington
Brighton, UK

Researching ALTMAN/ALTMANN Ronsperg (modern name is Pobezovice) in Bohemi=
a,
Plymouth UK and London UK

Descendants of Joseph ALTMANN
1. Joseph ALTMANN
sp: UNKNOWN
2. Nathan Joseph ALTMANN (b.1766;d.12 Oct 1849)
sp: Brimay JOSEPH (b.1781;d.23 Aug 1865)
3. Abraham Joseph ALTMAN (b.1802)
sp: COHEN
4. Esther ALTMAN (b.1831)
4. Fanny ALTMAN (b.1837)
4. Sir Albert Joseph ALTMAN (b.1839)
sp: Margaret Eliza VERNON (b.Sep 1848;m.26 May 1869)
5. Percy Albert Joseph ALTMAN (b.Jun 1870)
5. Stanley Richard ALTMAN (b.Dec 1871)
sp: HOULSTON (m.1923)
5. Ernest Henry ALTMAN (b.Dec 1872)
5. Violet Maud M ALTMAN (b.Dec 1873)
5. Gertrude Sarah ALTMAN (b.Mar 1876)
5. Mabel Eveline R ALTMAN (b.Sep 1877)
5. Montague Vincent ALTMAN (b.29 Jul 1878)
4. Josephine ALTMAN (b.1841)
sp: Rebecca COHEN
4. Edward ALTMAN (b.1853)
4. Sarah ALTMAN (b.1854)
4. Alice ALTMAN (b.1855)
4. Eva ALTMAN (b.1859)
3. Henry ALTMAN (b.1828)
2. Joachim ALTMANN


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom ALTMAN from Ronsperg (Pobezovice), Bohemia to London UK #unitedkingdom

Simon Torrington <storri@...>
 

I recently discovered that my direct male line is descended >from a Joseph=

ALTMAN >from Ronsperg (now called Pobezovice), Bohemia. There are plenty o=
f
London ALTMANs in my pedigree.

If you would like to share any information please let me know. Listed bel=
ow is
a list of known descendents, the number at the start of a line being the
generation number. I can provide a GEDCOM if you would like one.

Thanks,
Simon Torrington
Brighton, UK

Researching ALTMAN/ALTMANN Ronsperg (modern name is Pobezovice) in Bohemi=
a,
Plymouth UK and London UK

Descendants of Joseph ALTMANN
1. Joseph ALTMANN
sp: UNKNOWN
2. Nathan Joseph ALTMANN (b.1766;d.12 Oct 1849)
sp: Brimay JOSEPH (b.1781;d.23 Aug 1865)
3. Abraham Joseph ALTMAN (b.1802)
sp: COHEN
4. Esther ALTMAN (b.1831)
4. Fanny ALTMAN (b.1837)
4. Sir Albert Joseph ALTMAN (b.1839)
sp: Margaret Eliza VERNON (b.Sep 1848;m.26 May 1869)
5. Percy Albert Joseph ALTMAN (b.Jun 1870)
5. Stanley Richard ALTMAN (b.Dec 1871)
sp: HOULSTON (m.1923)
5. Ernest Henry ALTMAN (b.Dec 1872)
5. Violet Maud M ALTMAN (b.Dec 1873)
5. Gertrude Sarah ALTMAN (b.Mar 1876)
5. Mabel Eveline R ALTMAN (b.Sep 1877)
5. Montague Vincent ALTMAN (b.29 Jul 1878)
4. Josephine ALTMAN (b.1841)
sp: Rebecca COHEN
4. Edward ALTMAN (b.1853)
4. Sarah ALTMAN (b.1854)
4. Alice ALTMAN (b.1855)
4. Eva ALTMAN (b.1859)
3. Henry ALTMAN (b.1828)
2. Joachim ALTMANN


Re: Corcisco, Latvia? #latvia

martha@...
 

John G. Cakars deserves a huge pat on the back for going to such trouble for the enquiry about "Corcisco"! Hats off to you, John, for a thorough job carefully done!

Martha


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: Corcisco, Latvia? #latvia

martha@...
 

John G. Cakars deserves a huge pat on the back for going to such trouble for the enquiry about "Corcisco"! Hats off to you, John, for a thorough job carefully done!

Martha


KGB Files May Reveal Genealogical Data For Belarus Families #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

The August 9, 2002, Weekly Digest >from the Belarus Embassy in Washington DC
contained the following:

Vitebsk region KGB office has presented a personal file on Marc Chagall's
sister to the Museum of the painter. The personal file on Mariaska Chagall
was started by the Temporary Extraordinary Committee (the terms used for
criminal police after the October 1917 revolution in Russia) after she was
employed to work as a post censor in the military. The personal file of
Chagall's younger sister contains some data on the life of the Chagall's in
1920-1921 in Vitebsk.=A0

The files confirmed some well-known facts of the painter=B9s life and reveale=
d
some new ones. For instance, the file materials made it possible to
determine the exact dates of birth of the father of Marc Chagall and that
his father was married twice, to two sisters consequently (according to
Jewish tradition, after the wife dies the widower would marry her sister).

To subscribe to the email Weekly Digest go to:
http://www.belarusembassy.org/

Dave
--=20
David Fox
Mail to: davefox@...
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus


Belarus SIG #Belarus KGB Files May Reveal Genealogical Data For Belarus Families #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

The August 9, 2002, Weekly Digest >from the Belarus Embassy in Washington DC
contained the following:

Vitebsk region KGB office has presented a personal file on Marc Chagall's
sister to the Museum of the painter. The personal file on Mariaska Chagall
was started by the Temporary Extraordinary Committee (the terms used for
criminal police after the October 1917 revolution in Russia) after she was
employed to work as a post censor in the military. The personal file of
Chagall's younger sister contains some data on the life of the Chagall's in
1920-1921 in Vitebsk.=A0

The files confirmed some well-known facts of the painter=B9s life and reveale=
d
some new ones. For instance, the file materials made it possible to
determine the exact dates of birth of the father of Marc Chagall and that
his father was married twice, to two sisters consequently (according to
Jewish tradition, after the wife dies the widower would marry her sister).

To subscribe to the email Weekly Digest go to:
http://www.belarusembassy.org/

Dave
--=20
David Fox
Mail to: davefox@...
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus


Re: town of origin #belarus

Marion Werle <werle@...>
 

For what it's worth, the later ship manifists do include the town of origin,
although the spelling may have many variants. My gm's 1899 manifest (and
anything later than that) includes the exact town of origin. Some later
manifests include town of birth as well as town of last residence, and will
even give the town of the nearest relative in the Old Country (I even have
one record, where a relative went back for a visit to Lithuania in the
1920's/30's, where the exact address of her sister in Anyksciai is listed).
The steamship forms were revised periodically, and included additional
information with each revision. The earlier manifests aren't always
specific.

Census records tend to be very generic, and "Russia" is very common.
Occasionally you will see the name of the province. Also, many people just
gave the name of the nearest big city in some records (SS-5, marriage
licenses, death certificates), rather than the specific town, e.g., Kovno
instead of Mosedis, Dvinsk instead of Ribinishki, Grodno instad of Kossovo
(I had to include one example >from Belarus!).

Marion Werle
<werle@...>


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: town of origin #belarus

Marion Werle <werle@...>
 

For what it's worth, the later ship manifists do include the town of origin,
although the spelling may have many variants. My gm's 1899 manifest (and
anything later than that) includes the exact town of origin. Some later
manifests include town of birth as well as town of last residence, and will
even give the town of the nearest relative in the Old Country (I even have
one record, where a relative went back for a visit to Lithuania in the
1920's/30's, where the exact address of her sister in Anyksciai is listed).
The steamship forms were revised periodically, and included additional
information with each revision. The earlier manifests aren't always
specific.

Census records tend to be very generic, and "Russia" is very common.
Occasionally you will see the name of the province. Also, many people just
gave the name of the nearest big city in some records (SS-5, marriage
licenses, death certificates), rather than the specific town, e.g., Kovno
instead of Mosedis, Dvinsk instead of Ribinishki, Grodno instad of Kossovo
(I had to include one example >from Belarus!).

Marion Werle
<werle@...>


city of origin #belarus

HENKEN9@...
 

Genners,

In response to Bette Greenfield's query concerning the non-listing of place
of origin for emigrants, two things come to mind, although all speculation.

First, the ship's personnel (no matter port of departure) would have found it
difficult to communicate with the passengers. Secondly, I would think that
the city or province of origin may not have mattered to anyone involved.

Regards,

Ty Henken
Centennial, Colo.
Henken9@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus city of origin #belarus

HENKEN9@...
 

Genners,

In response to Bette Greenfield's query concerning the non-listing of place
of origin for emigrants, two things come to mind, although all speculation.

First, the ship's personnel (no matter port of departure) would have found it
difficult to communicate with the passengers. Secondly, I would think that
the city or province of origin may not have mattered to anyone involved.

Regards,

Ty Henken
Centennial, Colo.
Henken9@...


Re: Why the name change? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 8/9/2002 3:26:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
marife@... writes:

<< My grandmother's daughters all swear that their mother's name was Eta
Milgrom.

However, on Ellis Island she is listed as Mariemlte Milgram. I am
certain she is one and the same person because she was coming to Atlanta,
Georgia to marry my grandfather and Atlanta is where it said she was coming
on the Ship Manifest. Does anybody have any knowledge about this strange
name change? Who should I trust, my aunts or Ellis Island.? >>

==That's an easy one. The name was incorrrectly transcribed and almost
certainly was Mariette. Mariette would be called Etta by friends and family.

==Fellow-genner Edward Rosenbaum, < erosenbaum@... > in his
presentation at the jewishgenealogy conference in Toronto on Wednesday
mentioned a shareware program that will generate all likely variations
based on mistranscriptions. This is combined with the American Soundex
system and the Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex system,
and thus allows you to access the names on most major
genealogy databases with just one click.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@...>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Why the name change? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 8/9/2002 3:26:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
marife@... writes:

<< My grandmother's daughters all swear that their mother's name was Eta
Milgrom.

However, on Ellis Island she is listed as Mariemlte Milgram. I am
certain she is one and the same person because she was coming to Atlanta,
Georgia to marry my grandfather and Atlanta is where it said she was coming
on the Ship Manifest. Does anybody have any knowledge about this strange
name change? Who should I trust, my aunts or Ellis Island.? >>

==That's an easy one. The name was incorrrectly transcribed and almost
certainly was Mariette. Mariette would be called Etta by friends and family.

==Fellow-genner Edward Rosenbaum, < erosenbaum@... > in his
presentation at the jewishgenealogy conference in Toronto on Wednesday
mentioned a shareware program that will generate all likely variations
based on mistranscriptions. This is combined with the American Soundex
system and the Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex system,
and thus allows you to access the names on most major
genealogy databases with just one click.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@...>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Re: GDUD #general

Charles Mahler
 

Hello Everybody,

If GDUD is a contraction of GEDULD, I believe that the translation of
this German word would be patience or tolerance.

Charles Mahler
Looking for: MAHLER, MARGULIES, LICHTMANN, INTRATOR.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: GDUD #general

Charles Mahler
 

Hello Everybody,

If GDUD is a contraction of GEDULD, I believe that the translation of
this German word would be patience or tolerance.

Charles Mahler
Looking for: MAHLER, MARGULIES, LICHTMANN, INTRATOR.


EIDB success #general

Linda Kern <lkern1@...>
 

I have been searching for my husband's grandfather on the EIDB since it was
put on the web and had been unsuccessful. I recently used Stephen Morse's
site using the Jewish search. I put in only first letter of first name and
first letter of last name along with ethic origin. I also knew his
residence and input it. I found several names to try, but none worked.
Finally found a Mase Kranz. I wanted Morris Kern. I pictured how he, being
Austria, might have pronounced his name and lo and behold it was him. Keep
trying. I am thrilled.

Linda Kern
lkern1@...
Searching: Kern, Baumritter, Tarshis, Zarankin, Roman, Rachmales -Rachmelis


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen EIDB success #general

Linda Kern <lkern1@...>
 

I have been searching for my husband's grandfather on the EIDB since it was
put on the web and had been unsuccessful. I recently used Stephen Morse's
site using the Jewish search. I put in only first letter of first name and
first letter of last name along with ethic origin. I also knew his
residence and input it. I found several names to try, but none worked.
Finally found a Mase Kranz. I wanted Morris Kern. I pictured how he, being
Austria, might have pronounced his name and lo and behold it was him. Keep
trying. I am thrilled.

Linda Kern
lkern1@...
Searching: Kern, Baumritter, Tarshis, Zarankin, Roman, Rachmales -Rachmelis


researching VAZ MARTINEZ, VAZ MARTIN, MARTIN #general

keith martin <keithmart@...>
 

Hi Listers,

having been a lurker for a few days, I thought I would post a query of my
own.

My ancestors came to the UK in the early 1800's, but I am having problems
finding Vaz Martinez names, A Martin search throws up a lot of hits.

In amongst the Martins is an occupation "Wholesale slopseller" which sounds
fun!

Does anyone know exactly what that was?

Regards

Keith Martin

MODERATOR NOTE:
You may be able to find more specific information
on UK matters by subscribing to the UK-based
SIG List JCR-UK.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen researching VAZ MARTINEZ, VAZ MARTIN, MARTIN #general

keith martin <keithmart@...>
 

Hi Listers,

having been a lurker for a few days, I thought I would post a query of my
own.

My ancestors came to the UK in the early 1800's, but I am having problems
finding Vaz Martinez names, A Martin search throws up a lot of hits.

In amongst the Martins is an occupation "Wholesale slopseller" which sounds
fun!

Does anyone know exactly what that was?

Regards

Keith Martin

MODERATOR NOTE:
You may be able to find more specific information
on UK matters by subscribing to the UK-based
SIG List JCR-UK.
Information available at
http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs.htm