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Re: Alexander--and why it's not popular among Sefardim #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 9/9/2002 11:35:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mpfreed@... writes:

<< The first name Alexander (usually in the Yiddish form of Sender),
after Alexander the Great, is not an uncommon Jewish first name.
Alexander lived in the 4th century BCE, before the division in the
Jewish world between Ashkenazim and Sephardim, yet, as far as I
know the name is only used by Ashkenazim. Can anyone explain this? >>

== Jewish tradition has it that after the victory of King Alexander
of Macedonia, the sons of all Kohanim born that year were given the
name Alexander.

Alexander Yannai (c. 126 - 76 B.C.E.) was a Hasmonean king (the
Hasmoneans were Kohanim). Alexander son of Aristobolus, d 49 BCE,
was one of the last Hasmonean (i.e. truly Jewish) kings of Judea.
Alexander (36 BCE - 7 BCE) was a son of Herod Roman king of Judea.
His father planned a number of times to have his son killed, and
Alexander was eventually executed at Herods order.

Alexander Lysimachus was a leader of the Jewish community of
Alexandria in the first century CE, father of Tiberius Julius
Alexander, procurator of Judea, and brother of Philo Judaeus of
Alexandria, philosopher and historian.

The so-called Sefardi-Ashkenazi "split" (actually, a very minor
divergence when compared to other splits in nations and religions)
originated with the Babylonian Diaspora, well before Babylon was
captured by Alexander of Macedonia. There were two ensuing sets of
tradition and custom, Bavli (Babylon) and Yerushalmi (Jerusalem).

Judea and Egypt followed the Yerushalmi tradition. The exiles >from
Judea took the Yerushalmi tradition to Europe and to Yemen. The Jews
of Iberia initially followed the Yerushalmi tradition but sent to
Babylon for their rabbis, teachers and sages, and so the Sephardim
(literally, "Jews of Spain") in the Western Mediterranean adopted
certain Babylonian customs. These were spread to the entire
Mediterranean basin with the 1492 expulsion of the Jews >from Spain.

Beider's first recorded Alexander as a Jewish personal name was in
the Rhineland, Germany, in 1096.

A few years ago someone in these pages suggested that Alexander and
its derivative Sander became popular among Jews in the Russian empire
at a certain point because a certain Czar by that name was relatively
less hostile to Jews than his fellow-czars. Possible!

As for why Sephardim don't call their sons Alexander . . . how many
Sephardim do you know who name their sons Irving or Sheldon? And how
many Ahkenazim call their sons Nissim? It's all a matter of taste
and tradition, I guess. . . . .

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@...>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Mority? #general

David Wallace
 

Mority? first name. I have just received a copy of my grand parents
ketubah, they were married at the East London synagogue in 1907. I
am trying to decipher the witness's first name, I think it could be
Mority, it is very hard to read. Would anyone know if this is a Jewish
name or could it be short for another name?
Thankyou
David Wallace
dwphoto@...


Carol Robin researching: BARSTEL, GRUNDHALT, MANHARD, MANHART #general

Susana Leistner Bloch
 

Will Carol Robin, or anyone who knows her, please contact me.
Your e-mail: < carolsr@... > bounced.

Thank you,

Susana Leistner Bloch, Coordinator
Kolbuszowa Region Research Group

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


Need pictures from the Soho area in Manhattan #general

mike <bigbee1@...>
 

Hello everyone

I am asking if there is someone in the New York are (Soho Manhattan)
that is willing to take pictures of a few buildings that my GG
grandparents either lived in or worked in. I will cover any expenses
for film and etc.I am unable to complete this task being I am living
in Florida now.

102 Prince Street.
223 Broome Street.
243 Stanton Street.
79 Thompson Street or Ave..
133 Wooster Street.

And this one is located in the Bronx
1115 east 165 Street.

You can contact me directly
Thanks You for your time
Mike Broman
grunt614@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Alexander--and why it's not popular among Sefardim #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 9/9/2002 11:35:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mpfreed@... writes:

<< The first name Alexander (usually in the Yiddish form of Sender),
after Alexander the Great, is not an uncommon Jewish first name.
Alexander lived in the 4th century BCE, before the division in the
Jewish world between Ashkenazim and Sephardim, yet, as far as I
know the name is only used by Ashkenazim. Can anyone explain this? >>

== Jewish tradition has it that after the victory of King Alexander
of Macedonia, the sons of all Kohanim born that year were given the
name Alexander.

Alexander Yannai (c. 126 - 76 B.C.E.) was a Hasmonean king (the
Hasmoneans were Kohanim). Alexander son of Aristobolus, d 49 BCE,
was one of the last Hasmonean (i.e. truly Jewish) kings of Judea.
Alexander (36 BCE - 7 BCE) was a son of Herod Roman king of Judea.
His father planned a number of times to have his son killed, and
Alexander was eventually executed at Herods order.

Alexander Lysimachus was a leader of the Jewish community of
Alexandria in the first century CE, father of Tiberius Julius
Alexander, procurator of Judea, and brother of Philo Judaeus of
Alexandria, philosopher and historian.

The so-called Sefardi-Ashkenazi "split" (actually, a very minor
divergence when compared to other splits in nations and religions)
originated with the Babylonian Diaspora, well before Babylon was
captured by Alexander of Macedonia. There were two ensuing sets of
tradition and custom, Bavli (Babylon) and Yerushalmi (Jerusalem).

Judea and Egypt followed the Yerushalmi tradition. The exiles >from
Judea took the Yerushalmi tradition to Europe and to Yemen. The Jews
of Iberia initially followed the Yerushalmi tradition but sent to
Babylon for their rabbis, teachers and sages, and so the Sephardim
(literally, "Jews of Spain") in the Western Mediterranean adopted
certain Babylonian customs. These were spread to the entire
Mediterranean basin with the 1492 expulsion of the Jews >from Spain.

Beider's first recorded Alexander as a Jewish personal name was in
the Rhineland, Germany, in 1096.

A few years ago someone in these pages suggested that Alexander and
its derivative Sander became popular among Jews in the Russian empire
at a certain point because a certain Czar by that name was relatively
less hostile to Jews than his fellow-czars. Possible!

As for why Sephardim don't call their sons Alexander . . . how many
Sephardim do you know who name their sons Irving or Sheldon? And how
many Ahkenazim call their sons Nissim? It's all a matter of taste
and tradition, I guess. . . . .

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@...>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mority? #general

David Wallace
 

Mority? first name. I have just received a copy of my grand parents
ketubah, they were married at the East London synagogue in 1907. I
am trying to decipher the witness's first name, I think it could be
Mority, it is very hard to read. Would anyone know if this is a Jewish
name or could it be short for another name?
Thankyou
David Wallace
dwphoto@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Carol Robin researching: BARSTEL, GRUNDHALT, MANHARD, MANHART #general

Susana Leistner Bloch
 

Will Carol Robin, or anyone who knows her, please contact me.
Your e-mail: < carolsr@... > bounced.

Thank you,

Susana Leistner Bloch, Coordinator
Kolbuszowa Region Research Group

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need pictures from the Soho area in Manhattan #general

mike <bigbee1@...>
 

Hello everyone

I am asking if there is someone in the New York are (Soho Manhattan)
that is willing to take pictures of a few buildings that my GG
grandparents either lived in or worked in. I will cover any expenses
for film and etc.I am unable to complete this task being I am living
in Florida now.

102 Prince Street.
223 Broome Street.
243 Stanton Street.
79 Thompson Street or Ave..
133 Wooster Street.

And this one is located in the Bronx
1115 east 165 Street.

You can contact me directly
Thanks You for your time
Mike Broman
grunt614@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


What is Kharkov Medical Institute? #general

Marilyn Feingold <mrl@...>
 

I know my grandmother's nephew Sasha Otelen at one time was a
professor and head of the faculty at this institution. Does
anyone know about this school or know how I can track Sasha's
family >from there? Thanks for your suggestions.
Marilyn Feingold Atlanta Georgia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen What is Kharkov Medical Institute? #general

Marilyn Feingold <mrl@...>
 

I know my grandmother's nephew Sasha Otelen at one time was a
professor and head of the faculty at this institution. Does
anyone know about this school or know how I can track Sasha's
family >from there? Thanks for your suggestions.
Marilyn Feingold Atlanta Georgia


Re: Deportation lists from France... #france

Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
 

At 12:46 -0700 10/09/2002, Rosanne D. Leeson wrote (about deportation lists)

The list was compiled by Daniel Carouge >from official French government
lists that have been published on the Internet at

http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/html/accueil.htm.

This information needs some complement :

1) Daniel Carouge was completely right to publish these lists which
remain almost unknown even here, in France.

2) Nevertheless, unfortunately he could publish only the computerized
part of these lists, i.e. >from 1990. There were still more >from 1987,
but only a "paper version".

3) Everyone must be aware that the French "Ministere des Anciens
Combattants" (Veterans Ministry) published a special law, in 1985,
saying that every death certificate for deportees had to contain the
mention "mort en deportation" (died in deportation), and that the
death is supposed to have occurred five days after the departure >from
France. The employees of that Ministry had to correct each
certificate, one by one.

Seventeen years later, that work is not completely done !!! That's
why the lists published by the friendly Daniel Carouge are not
complete. For example, my own father (deported in May 1944) isn't
still listed in it. Different persons tried to obtain that this work
could be quickly done, but to no avail until now.

Daniel Carouge's work lists 19 400 names : there were about 75 000
Jewish deportees and probably as many non Jewish deportees...

Moreover, since the death of deportees was falsely written
(immediately after WWII) as "died in Drancy, France", the Ministry
had to rectify all the death certificate. That work was done as badly
as possible and quite a lot of certificate are still wrong. For
example, my mother's date of death is wrong.

This is why you mustn't be surprised if you don't find the person you
are looking for, or if the date doesn't correspond to the one you may
have already obtained.
Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org


French SIG #France Re: Deportation lists from France... #france

Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
 

At 12:46 -0700 10/09/2002, Rosanne D. Leeson wrote (about deportation lists)

The list was compiled by Daniel Carouge >from official French government
lists that have been published on the Internet at

http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/html/accueil.htm.

This information needs some complement :

1) Daniel Carouge was completely right to publish these lists which
remain almost unknown even here, in France.

2) Nevertheless, unfortunately he could publish only the computerized
part of these lists, i.e. >from 1990. There were still more >from 1987,
but only a "paper version".

3) Everyone must be aware that the French "Ministere des Anciens
Combattants" (Veterans Ministry) published a special law, in 1985,
saying that every death certificate for deportees had to contain the
mention "mort en deportation" (died in deportation), and that the
death is supposed to have occurred five days after the departure >from
France. The employees of that Ministry had to correct each
certificate, one by one.

Seventeen years later, that work is not completely done !!! That's
why the lists published by the friendly Daniel Carouge are not
complete. For example, my own father (deported in May 1944) isn't
still listed in it. Different persons tried to obtain that this work
could be quickly done, but to no avail until now.

Daniel Carouge's work lists 19 400 names : there were about 75 000
Jewish deportees and probably as many non Jewish deportees...

Moreover, since the death of deportees was falsely written
(immediately after WWII) as "died in Drancy, France", the Ministry
had to rectify all the death certificate. That work was done as badly
as possible and quite a lot of certificate are still wrong. For
example, my mother's date of death is wrong.

This is why you mustn't be surprised if you don't find the person you
are looking for, or if the date doesn't correspond to the one you may
have already obtained.
Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org


JGSNY September 18th Meeting at NYC FHC #general

Jgsny@...
 

The Wednesday, September 18th, 2002 meeting of the JGSNY will take
place at the Family History Center located on the 2nd floor of 125
Columbus Avenue located at the corner of 65th Street in Manhattan.
The meeting starts at 6:30 pm.

If you have never before visited the LDS Family History Center or
haven't explored its holdings recently, this is your chance to learn
what you are missing. JGSNY's Gloria Berkenstat Freund will discuss
the resources available at the FHC and what is newly available for
Jewish genealogists through the Family History Center.

JGSNY will be celebrating its 25th Anniversary at a brunch on Sunday
November 3rd. For more information contact us at info@....

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
JGSNY Program VP


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSNY September 18th Meeting at NYC FHC #general

Jgsny@...
 

The Wednesday, September 18th, 2002 meeting of the JGSNY will take
place at the Family History Center located on the 2nd floor of 125
Columbus Avenue located at the corner of 65th Street in Manhattan.
The meeting starts at 6:30 pm.

If you have never before visited the LDS Family History Center or
haven't explored its holdings recently, this is your chance to learn
what you are missing. JGSNY's Gloria Berkenstat Freund will discuss
the resources available at the FHC and what is newly available for
Jewish genealogists through the Family History Center.

JGSNY will be celebrating its 25th Anniversary at a brunch on Sunday
November 3rd. For more information contact us at info@....

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
JGSNY Program VP


Retraction: Yizkor digest of 9/9 #yizkorbooks

Harriet Brown <hnbrown@...>
 

Dear folks,

Moderating an online list at 11:30 p.m. is not a good idea. <g> It makes
for embarrassing moments like this one, when I must apologize for a message
posted yesterday that should not have been posted.

The message erred on two counts: it discussed a potential sale of CDs, and
talked about temporarily placing information on a Shtetlinks site.

JewishGen policy clearly states that mailing lists cannot be used to
promote or promise the sale of CDs. And it turns out there is no Shtetlinks
site for Yedintsy, the shtetl mentioned in the message. Even if there were,
no Yizkor book material can be posted on a Shtetlinks site.

So, mea culpa, and please try to keep in mind these guidelines when you
post messages. And I'll try to moderate before midnight next time. :-)

Yours,
Harriet Brown
Moderator, Yizkor Book Project mailing list


Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks Retraction: Yizkor digest of 9/9 #yizkorbooks

Harriet Brown <hnbrown@...>
 

Dear folks,

Moderating an online list at 11:30 p.m. is not a good idea. <g> It makes
for embarrassing moments like this one, when I must apologize for a message
posted yesterday that should not have been posted.

The message erred on two counts: it discussed a potential sale of CDs, and
talked about temporarily placing information on a Shtetlinks site.

JewishGen policy clearly states that mailing lists cannot be used to
promote or promise the sale of CDs. And it turns out there is no Shtetlinks
site for Yedintsy, the shtetl mentioned in the message. Even if there were,
no Yizkor book material can be posted on a Shtetlinks site.

So, mea culpa, and please try to keep in mind these guidelines when you
post messages. And I'll try to moderate before midnight next time. :-)

Yours,
Harriet Brown
Moderator, Yizkor Book Project mailing list


Re Bryanston St Synagogue #unitedkingdom

Derek & Rosemary Wenzerul <dandr@...>
 

Re queries on the above.

For info the 1870 Ordnance Survey (The Godfrey Edition sheet 61) shows this
synagogue on the South side of Upper Bryanston St. about halfway between
Edgware Road and Gt Cumberland St (now Place)
It is at least 150yards away >from the West London Synagogue situated on the
North side of Upper Berkely St.

Regards
Derek
Derek & Rosemary Wenzerul (St.Albans UK)
dandr@...


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re Bryanston St Synagogue #unitedkingdom

Derek & Rosemary Wenzerul <dandr@...>
 

Re queries on the above.

For info the 1870 Ordnance Survey (The Godfrey Edition sheet 61) shows this
synagogue on the South side of Upper Bryanston St. about halfway between
Edgware Road and Gt Cumberland St (now Place)
It is at least 150yards away >from the West London Synagogue situated on the
North side of Upper Berkely St.

Regards
Derek
Derek & Rosemary Wenzerul (St.Albans UK)
dandr@...


Re: What is Kharkov Medical Institute? #general

Zev Griner <zgnews613@...>
 

I know my grandmother's nephew Sasha Otelen at one time was a
professor and head of the faculty at this institution. Does
anyone know about this school or know how I can track Sasha's
family >from there? Thanks for your suggestions.
Apparently this is a Ukrainian institution that can be found if you
search the Web.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: What is Kharkov Medical Institute? #general

Zev Griner <zgnews613@...>
 

I know my grandmother's nephew Sasha Otelen at one time was a
professor and head of the faculty at this institution. Does
anyone know about this school or know how I can track Sasha's
family >from there? Thanks for your suggestions.
Apparently this is a Ukrainian institution that can be found if you
search the Web.