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Searching SCHAHSMIN from Theilheim in Bavaria #germany

SiebenSachen - Daniel Simon
 

Hi Genners,

During my last research, I came across a very unusual family name. One of my
ancestors Abraham KOCH (b.19th Feb. 1828 in Mainz) married a [woman with the
family name] SCHAHSMIN after the death of his first wife Hannchen SALOMON.

SCHAHSMIN was born 9th Dec.1844 in Theilheim (Bavaria) and died 3rd April 1929
in Mainz. Unfortunately she has no given name in this "Familienbogen".

Of course I am not sure about the spelling, this is the way the clerk wrote
it down. Is the family name SCHAHSMIN familiar to anyone?

Can somebody tell me where this name comes from?

Google is not very helpful but I presume it is a Baltic name. If so, I wonder how
did it migrate to a place like Theilheim?

Thank you for answering privately or to the list if it is of general interest.

Daniel SIMON Ludwigsburg – Germamy info@siebensachen.org

Researcher code 230493- SIMON >from Mainz & Mannheim; WEIS - Mainz; KOCH - Mainz;
PAUL - Reetz; KIRSCHSTEIN - Chodiez, Berlin; and SCHWERIN >from Strzelno.


German SIG #Germany Searching SCHAHSMIN from Theilheim in Bavaria #germany

SiebenSachen - Daniel Simon
 

Hi Genners,

During my last research, I came across a very unusual family name. One of my
ancestors Abraham KOCH (b.19th Feb. 1828 in Mainz) married a [woman with the
family name] SCHAHSMIN after the death of his first wife Hannchen SALOMON.

SCHAHSMIN was born 9th Dec.1844 in Theilheim (Bavaria) and died 3rd April 1929
in Mainz. Unfortunately she has no given name in this "Familienbogen".

Of course I am not sure about the spelling, this is the way the clerk wrote
it down. Is the family name SCHAHSMIN familiar to anyone?

Can somebody tell me where this name comes from?

Google is not very helpful but I presume it is a Baltic name. If so, I wonder how
did it migrate to a place like Theilheim?

Thank you for answering privately or to the list if it is of general interest.

Daniel SIMON Ludwigsburg – Germamy info@siebensachen.org

Researcher code 230493- SIMON >from Mainz & Mannheim; WEIS - Mainz; KOCH - Mainz;
PAUL - Reetz; KIRSCHSTEIN - Chodiez, Berlin; and SCHWERIN >from Strzelno.


Viewmate: Location of Great Shul of Uman #general

Bill Saslow <bigbear011@...>
 

I would like the "Great Schul" of Uman identified on the picture
linked below, if possible. My Great Great Grandfather prayed and
studied there.

Does anyone know the orientation of the picture (e.g. looking
northward)?

The Picture is on Viewmate:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=14320

I am also interested in a high-resolution version of this picture.
Does anyone know where one can be obtained?

Thanks,
Bill Saslow
Middletown, RI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate: Location of Great Shul of Uman #general

Bill Saslow <bigbear011@...>
 

I would like the "Great Schul" of Uman identified on the picture
linked below, if possible. My Great Great Grandfather prayed and
studied there.

Does anyone know the orientation of the picture (e.g. looking
northward)?

The Picture is on Viewmate:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=14320

I am also interested in a high-resolution version of this picture.
Does anyone know where one can be obtained?

Thanks,
Bill Saslow
Middletown, RI


Viewmate Polish translations: DYAMENT from Dabie nad Nerem #general

Mitchell
 

To the list,

I have uploaded to Viewmate four records of the DYAMENT family >from Dabie
nad Nerem . The marriage record of Fiszel DYAMENT is in two parts.

I would be very grateful for a translation of the Polish to English. They
can be viewed at the direct links:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=14314

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=14315

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=14316

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=14317

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=14318

The files will remain on JewishGen ViewMate site for at least 7 days.

Please reply privately. Thank you so much.

Sonya Mitchell (Jakubowicz)
Hamilton
New Zealand


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate Polish translations: DYAMENT from Dabie nad Nerem #general

Mitchell
 

To the list,

I have uploaded to Viewmate four records of the DYAMENT family >from Dabie
nad Nerem . The marriage record of Fiszel DYAMENT is in two parts.

I would be very grateful for a translation of the Polish to English. They
can be viewed at the direct links:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=14314

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=14315

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=14316

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=14317

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=14318

The files will remain on JewishGen ViewMate site for at least 7 days.

Please reply privately. Thank you so much.

Sonya Mitchell (Jakubowicz)
Hamilton
New Zealand


French origins of CAHEN surname? #germany

Ben Forman <ben.forman@...>
 

Hi Genners
In my research into my CAHEN fmaily who lived in the Lechenich / Bruhl / Koeln
region through the early 1700s-early 1900s I have come across circumstantial
evidence that they may have come to the region >from Alsace in the ealry
1600s, this is mainly >from the oral testimony of a distant family member
who lived in Lechenich before WW2 which was recorded in Klaus Schulte's
book on the Jews of NRW >from the 1700s and has been propagated in
subsequent historical publications.

In recent correspondence with a researcher/historian of the region he
suggested that the Alsace origin story might be nothing more than a
"bubbameiser" after all how could a family oraly remember it's origins
of 300 years previous. However I recently found a Facebook group called
"My last name is Cahen" and nearly all the people who have written on
the "wall" of that group say that their origin is in France with 2
originating >from Alsace.

Personally I see no eason why the story of my CAHEN origins shouldn't be
true, but my question is basically, is Cahen specifically a French/Francophone
(or even Judeo-Alsatian) rendering of COHEN or is CAHEN a common spelling
across many different geographic locations. ? Thanks!

Ben Forman, Manchester UK ben.forman@btconnect.com

searching: BENSON: Courland; SAWADY: Zavadi,Posen; CAHN/WOLF: Koeln;
FURMAN: Kaluszyn; GEVER: Daugavpils/Dvinsk; ERNSTEIN/WEINER: Ylakai,
STILLMAN: Pilica/Czestechowa; Zeyder/Seider: Kursan, Lithuania


German SIG #Germany French origins of CAHEN surname? #germany

Ben Forman <ben.forman@...>
 

Hi Genners
In my research into my CAHEN fmaily who lived in the Lechenich / Bruhl / Koeln
region through the early 1700s-early 1900s I have come across circumstantial
evidence that they may have come to the region >from Alsace in the ealry
1600s, this is mainly >from the oral testimony of a distant family member
who lived in Lechenich before WW2 which was recorded in Klaus Schulte's
book on the Jews of NRW >from the 1700s and has been propagated in
subsequent historical publications.

In recent correspondence with a researcher/historian of the region he
suggested that the Alsace origin story might be nothing more than a
"bubbameiser" after all how could a family oraly remember it's origins
of 300 years previous. However I recently found a Facebook group called
"My last name is Cahen" and nearly all the people who have written on
the "wall" of that group say that their origin is in France with 2
originating >from Alsace.

Personally I see no eason why the story of my CAHEN origins shouldn't be
true, but my question is basically, is Cahen specifically a French/Francophone
(or even Judeo-Alsatian) rendering of COHEN or is CAHEN a common spelling
across many different geographic locations. ? Thanks!

Ben Forman, Manchester UK ben.forman@btconnect.com

searching: BENSON: Courland; SAWADY: Zavadi,Posen; CAHN/WOLF: Koeln;
FURMAN: Kaluszyn; GEVER: Daugavpils/Dvinsk; ERNSTEIN/WEINER: Ylakai,
STILLMAN: Pilica/Czestechowa; Zeyder/Seider: Kursan, Lithuania


Seeking information on Rudamina shtetl #general

Danielle Weiner <lovemom51@...>
 

Hello genners!

I am working on creating a Jewishgen Shtetlinks page for the shtetl
'Rudamina' (also known as Rudamino or Rudomino) in Lithuania. As there
are two villages by the same name in this country, I want to clarify that
I am seeking information for the Rudamina that is in the Vilnius district
(54 35/25 24), a few miles SSE of Vilnius, NOT the one located in the
Seinai district, many miles west of Vilnius.

I would very much welcome any pictures, stories, family histories,
historical or general information you might have on this village.

There were some 365 Jewish families registered in this town in 1900,
including that of my grandmother (nee Geler) who had many siblings and
cousins there.

My hope is that they and all of the Jewish townspeople of Rudamina not be
forgotten.

Thank you in advance for any help you can offer.

Danielle Weiner
(lovemom51@sbcglobal.net)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking information on Rudamina shtetl #general

Danielle Weiner <lovemom51@...>
 

Hello genners!

I am working on creating a Jewishgen Shtetlinks page for the shtetl
'Rudamina' (also known as Rudamino or Rudomino) in Lithuania. As there
are two villages by the same name in this country, I want to clarify that
I am seeking information for the Rudamina that is in the Vilnius district
(54 35/25 24), a few miles SSE of Vilnius, NOT the one located in the
Seinai district, many miles west of Vilnius.

I would very much welcome any pictures, stories, family histories,
historical or general information you might have on this village.

There were some 365 Jewish families registered in this town in 1900,
including that of my grandmother (nee Geler) who had many siblings and
cousins there.

My hope is that they and all of the Jewish townspeople of Rudamina not be
forgotten.

Thank you in advance for any help you can offer.

Danielle Weiner
(lovemom51@sbcglobal.net)


Re: Kagan #general

Annette Stolberg <annettes@...>
 

I have been remiss in thanking the following people who responded to
me privately sharing information regarding my KAGAN family research
and suggestions for looking through Yizkor books, as well as other
research sites and explaining how to modify my entries in JewishGen's
Family Finder: Anita Hasson, Naomi Ogin,Sol and Katherine Sylvan,
Shaul Sharoni, Hilary Henken, Barbara Seidman.

While I am far >from being able to confirm any of the names because of
the lack of information >from my family members, I am hopeful that a
breakthrough will occur. Thank you each and everyone and thank you
to JewishGen for posting my requests for information.

Annette Stolberg,
Rochester, NY

Researching: ERLICHMAN, FAGELMAN, FERTMAN, BEZBROSH, YABLONOFSKY,
KAGAN, MUSHIN/MUSHI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Kagan #general

Annette Stolberg <annettes@...>
 

I have been remiss in thanking the following people who responded to
me privately sharing information regarding my KAGAN family research
and suggestions for looking through Yizkor books, as well as other
research sites and explaining how to modify my entries in JewishGen's
Family Finder: Anita Hasson, Naomi Ogin,Sol and Katherine Sylvan,
Shaul Sharoni, Hilary Henken, Barbara Seidman.

While I am far >from being able to confirm any of the names because of
the lack of information >from my family members, I am hopeful that a
breakthrough will occur. Thank you each and everyone and thank you
to JewishGen for posting my requests for information.

Annette Stolberg,
Rochester, NY

Researching: ERLICHMAN, FAGELMAN, FERTMAN, BEZBROSH, YABLONOFSKY,
KAGAN, MUSHIN/MUSHI


Seeking Potsdam records and directories #germany

Sue Coleman <suecoleman1@...>
 

Can anyone point me to trade directories, phone directories, birth,
marriage and death records for the Potsdam area for the period 1850 - 1900?

Thanks, Sue Coleman, Harrow, England Researching SMOLENSKY / SMOLIANSKY


Re: Jewish doctor to the Czar? #general

Alexander Sharon
 

According to one of my cousins, my grandmother told the family that she
had an uncle who was the Czar's doctor. I'm wondering if this was really
possible.
snip..

I am afraid to disappoint you, but those stories are still belong to the
category of the of Bubbe manzes.

To start with, a simple fact that Schmuel Brumer was residing in Moscow till
Russian Revolution already disqualifies him "as Czar eye doctor"
You see, Moscow was not the capital city of Russia >from 1712 till 1918, and
Dr. Brumer had to schlep all the way to the Czar palace in Czarskoye Selo
near Russia capital, St Petersburg to examine Czars eyes.

Czar Nicholas II personal physician (official title: leib-medic) was doctor
Evgeniy Botkin, who was shot dead by the Soviets together with the members
of the imperial family in July 1918.
He was the son of doctor Sergei Botkin, personal physician of Czars
Alexander Ii and Alexander III

I'd like to point out that rationally royal warrants for the purveyors of
the imperial court have been limited to the artisans and tradesman and their
products

Amongst know purveyors of the Russian Imperial court were:

Smirnov vodka, Faberge jeweler, Farina gegenuber Eau de Cologne. Cristal
champagne.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab


German SIG #Germany Seeking Potsdam records and directories #germany

Sue Coleman <suecoleman1@...>
 

Can anyone point me to trade directories, phone directories, birth,
marriage and death records for the Potsdam area for the period 1850 - 1900?

Thanks, Sue Coleman, Harrow, England Researching SMOLENSKY / SMOLIANSKY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish doctor to the Czar? #general

Alexander Sharon
 

According to one of my cousins, my grandmother told the family that she
had an uncle who was the Czar's doctor. I'm wondering if this was really
possible.
snip..

I am afraid to disappoint you, but those stories are still belong to the
category of the of Bubbe manzes.

To start with, a simple fact that Schmuel Brumer was residing in Moscow till
Russian Revolution already disqualifies him "as Czar eye doctor"
You see, Moscow was not the capital city of Russia >from 1712 till 1918, and
Dr. Brumer had to schlep all the way to the Czar palace in Czarskoye Selo
near Russia capital, St Petersburg to examine Czars eyes.

Czar Nicholas II personal physician (official title: leib-medic) was doctor
Evgeniy Botkin, who was shot dead by the Soviets together with the members
of the imperial family in July 1918.
He was the son of doctor Sergei Botkin, personal physician of Czars
Alexander Ii and Alexander III

I'd like to point out that rationally royal warrants for the purveyors of
the imperial court have been limited to the artisans and tradesman and their
products

Amongst know purveyors of the Russian Imperial court were:

Smirnov vodka, Faberge jeweler, Farina gegenuber Eau de Cologne. Cristal
champagne.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab


Seeking a SCHWAB family from Hanau #germany

Daniel Schwab <daniel.schwab@...>
 

Firstly thank you so much to all those wonderful people who have
replied to my request for information posted to this list last week.

I am searching for any living "blood" male relatives who are directly
related to my father's SCHWAB of Hanau, lineage and to this day still
carry the SCHWAB family name.

from the feedback I received, it seems that there are two high
priority areas for research.

1. Regards the original area >from which my ancestors moved to Hanau;
According to the introduction that my grandfather wrote for his
genealogical records "All male direct descendants of the [Max SCHWAB]
family mentioned herein were born and domiciled in Hanau, with the exception
of the first who seems to have settled some years before his death arriving
from the south of "Germany" (Schwaben)".
Do you have any information on the Jewish community that lived in this
area around the 1500's? This would be very helpful to perhaps link up
with other SCHWAB families who came >from the same area but settled in
other towns around Germany.

2. I had a relative named Abraham SCHWAB who moved >from Hanau in the
late 1800's or early 1900's to Berlin, was a Jeweler and died
circa.1922/3. Nothing else is known about this relative. Did he marry?
Did he have children? Why did he move to Berlin?

I would be most great full to anyone who can assist me in this matter.

Sincerely, Daniel Schwab, Jerusalem Israel daniel.schwab@kayema.com


German SIG #Germany Seeking a SCHWAB family from Hanau #germany

Daniel Schwab <daniel.schwab@...>
 

Firstly thank you so much to all those wonderful people who have
replied to my request for information posted to this list last week.

I am searching for any living "blood" male relatives who are directly
related to my father's SCHWAB of Hanau, lineage and to this day still
carry the SCHWAB family name.

from the feedback I received, it seems that there are two high
priority areas for research.

1. Regards the original area >from which my ancestors moved to Hanau;
According to the introduction that my grandfather wrote for his
genealogical records "All male direct descendants of the [Max SCHWAB]
family mentioned herein were born and domiciled in Hanau, with the exception
of the first who seems to have settled some years before his death arriving
from the south of "Germany" (Schwaben)".
Do you have any information on the Jewish community that lived in this
area around the 1500's? This would be very helpful to perhaps link up
with other SCHWAB families who came >from the same area but settled in
other towns around Germany.

2. I had a relative named Abraham SCHWAB who moved >from Hanau in the
late 1800's or early 1900's to Berlin, was a Jeweler and died
circa.1922/3. Nothing else is known about this relative. Did he marry?
Did he have children? Why did he move to Berlin?

I would be most great full to anyone who can assist me in this matter.

Sincerely, Daniel Schwab, Jerusalem Israel daniel.schwab@kayema.com


Re: Jewish presence in Bamberg [correction] #germany

mbernet@...
 

In a message dated 1/6/2010 Rodney Eisfelder <r.eisfelder@gmail.com>
commented on my statement:
"Bamberg was a significant metropolis and Jews were forbidden to live there
until well into the 19th century. Those who had trade or business in Bamberg
(including the district rabbis of Bamberg) therefore settled in the
surrounding villages."

My statement was based on incidental mention of the residences of Bamberg's
didtrict rabbis, as in the Encyclopedia Judaica, the entry for Rabbi Samuel ben
David Moses haLevi (1625-1681)aka Shmuel Meseritz, author of Nahlat Shivah,
the compendium of rabbinical legal documents incl. divorce and marriage
certificates.
"In 1660 he was appointed regional chief rabbi of Bamberg, but since the
authorities would not permit the rabbi of Bamberg to live in the town
itself his seat was at Zeckendorf, a village about two hours' journey
from Bamberg."
I have found similar mention in other sources about Jews being barred
from Bamberg at various times.
The EJ's entry on Bamberg reports Jews living in Bamberg before the
First Crusade (1096), when they were forcibly baptized but later allowed
to return to Judaism. 135 Jews were martyred in Bamberg during the
Rindfleisch massacres in 1298.

During the Black Death persecution in 1348, the Jews set fire to their homes
and perished in the flames. Between the 14th and the 17th centuries, Jews
repeatedly attempted to settle in Bamberg, but were attacked or expelled
again and again. There were 10 Jewish families in Bamberg.in 1633, whose
right of residence was recognized in 1644. There was an attempted massacre
of Jews in 1699. The Jewish community had grown to 287 in 1810 to 1,270
in 1880 (4.3% of the total population), and declined to 862 in 1933.

My cousin Rodney Eisfelder, descended, like me, >from the same Suesslein
Hirsch of Frensdorf, was too polite to mention me as the author of the
misleading statement on the Jews of Bamberg. [thank you Rodney for your
courtesy. May everyone learn >from Rodney: If you need to correct someone
in public, do it politely, without gloating and without calling the other
person a jerk. I am glad to hear there was some continuity for
Bamberg's Jews in earlier generations, though I have some doubts about the
accuracy of the information in the "history" of the Jews of Bamberg, which was
written by a non-professional historian.

We may liken Bamberg and its Jews to a glass that is seen as half full by
some and by others as half empty. Over the centuries, Jews in Bamberg,
were persecuted, massacred or expelled about as often as they were admitted.
Those who had the financial means, or those who could provide a useful service
for the local princeling (the prince-bishop in the case of Bamberg) could
purchase privileges denied to those of lesser means.

The story of Bamberg is, in this respect, the story of just about every place
were Jews lived in Europe.

Our joint family (Rodney's and mine) lived in Frensdorf, which had a
synagogue, a mikveh and a school. They made their living largely as
traders in agricultural products (horse dealers, cattle dealers, hides,
soap. candles, agents and brokers. The school closed down in the late
19th century, the last Jews (hops traders) decamped for Bamberg in 1898.

[snip] In short, Rodney is right and I was wrong. Many Jews were able to
purchase the right to live in Bamberg in past centuries.

Michael Bernet Suburban NYC MBernet@aol.com


German SIG #Germany Re: Jewish presence in Bamberg [correction] #germany

mbernet@...
 

In a message dated 1/6/2010 Rodney Eisfelder <r.eisfelder@gmail.com>
commented on my statement:
"Bamberg was a significant metropolis and Jews were forbidden to live there
until well into the 19th century. Those who had trade or business in Bamberg
(including the district rabbis of Bamberg) therefore settled in the
surrounding villages."

My statement was based on incidental mention of the residences of Bamberg's
didtrict rabbis, as in the Encyclopedia Judaica, the entry for Rabbi Samuel ben
David Moses haLevi (1625-1681)aka Shmuel Meseritz, author of Nahlat Shivah,
the compendium of rabbinical legal documents incl. divorce and marriage
certificates.
"In 1660 he was appointed regional chief rabbi of Bamberg, but since the
authorities would not permit the rabbi of Bamberg to live in the town
itself his seat was at Zeckendorf, a village about two hours' journey
from Bamberg."
I have found similar mention in other sources about Jews being barred
from Bamberg at various times.
The EJ's entry on Bamberg reports Jews living in Bamberg before the
First Crusade (1096), when they were forcibly baptized but later allowed
to return to Judaism. 135 Jews were martyred in Bamberg during the
Rindfleisch massacres in 1298.

During the Black Death persecution in 1348, the Jews set fire to their homes
and perished in the flames. Between the 14th and the 17th centuries, Jews
repeatedly attempted to settle in Bamberg, but were attacked or expelled
again and again. There were 10 Jewish families in Bamberg.in 1633, whose
right of residence was recognized in 1644. There was an attempted massacre
of Jews in 1699. The Jewish community had grown to 287 in 1810 to 1,270
in 1880 (4.3% of the total population), and declined to 862 in 1933.

My cousin Rodney Eisfelder, descended, like me, >from the same Suesslein
Hirsch of Frensdorf, was too polite to mention me as the author of the
misleading statement on the Jews of Bamberg. [thank you Rodney for your
courtesy. May everyone learn >from Rodney: If you need to correct someone
in public, do it politely, without gloating and without calling the other
person a jerk. I am glad to hear there was some continuity for
Bamberg's Jews in earlier generations, though I have some doubts about the
accuracy of the information in the "history" of the Jews of Bamberg, which was
written by a non-professional historian.

We may liken Bamberg and its Jews to a glass that is seen as half full by
some and by others as half empty. Over the centuries, Jews in Bamberg,
were persecuted, massacred or expelled about as often as they were admitted.
Those who had the financial means, or those who could provide a useful service
for the local princeling (the prince-bishop in the case of Bamberg) could
purchase privileges denied to those of lesser means.

The story of Bamberg is, in this respect, the story of just about every place
were Jews lived in Europe.

Our joint family (Rodney's and mine) lived in Frensdorf, which had a
synagogue, a mikveh and a school. They made their living largely as
traders in agricultural products (horse dealers, cattle dealers, hides,
soap. candles, agents and brokers. The school closed down in the late
19th century, the last Jews (hops traders) decamped for Bamberg in 1898.

[snip] In short, Rodney is right and I was wrong. Many Jews were able to
purchase the right to live in Bamberg in past centuries.

Michael Bernet Suburban NYC MBernet@aol.com