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Re: Naturalization petition denied - now what? #general

Helene Carson <carsonmh@...>
 

Dorothy:

I have the same problem with my grandfather. I have his petition that
clearly states that he was denied 4 times, up until 1919 because my
grandfather did not show up for his hearing. Yet in the 1920 census it
shows he was naturalized in 1919. I have looked everywhere written to NARA
etc, and I find no indication that he was naturalized, so I am now going
under the assumption that my grandfather did not tell the truth to the
census taker and he never was naturalized.

I thought I heard at one time that Aliens were suppose to check in with the
INS on a yearly basis, but I have no proof to back that up, I cannot find
the original email where I was told that. If anyone has such information I
would greatly appreciate hearing about it.

Helene Rose-Carson
Crossville, TN
carsonmh@volfirst.net
Researching Rosen, Schwartz, Nurock Philadelphia
England, Russia, Philiadelphia PA, NYC

----- Original Message -----
From: Dorothy Kohanski <dkohanski@yahoo.com>
To: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 12:25 PM
Subject: Naturalization petition denied - now what?
I received a petition for naturalization for a
relative, dated 1912. At the end of it, there was a
statement denying the petition and the reason given
was that one of the witnesses (brother in law) was
not a US citizen. It said the petition was denied
"without prejudice". But in the 1920 census it
indicates that he was a citizen. Would there have
been other papers involved?

The "Intention" had been filed in Bismarck, ND in
1889.And the petition in Portland, OR. 1912.

Dorothy Dellar Kohanski
Laguna Woods, CA

Searching DELLAR, DILLER (and variations)
SAVRANSKY, SAVAN, GERTZMAN, WEINSTEIN, CARTMAN - from
Russia and Ukraine > Oregon, Washington, California


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Naturalization petition denied - now what? #general

Helene Carson <carsonmh@...>
 

Dorothy:

I have the same problem with my grandfather. I have his petition that
clearly states that he was denied 4 times, up until 1919 because my
grandfather did not show up for his hearing. Yet in the 1920 census it
shows he was naturalized in 1919. I have looked everywhere written to NARA
etc, and I find no indication that he was naturalized, so I am now going
under the assumption that my grandfather did not tell the truth to the
census taker and he never was naturalized.

I thought I heard at one time that Aliens were suppose to check in with the
INS on a yearly basis, but I have no proof to back that up, I cannot find
the original email where I was told that. If anyone has such information I
would greatly appreciate hearing about it.

Helene Rose-Carson
Crossville, TN
carsonmh@volfirst.net
Researching Rosen, Schwartz, Nurock Philadelphia
England, Russia, Philiadelphia PA, NYC

----- Original Message -----
From: Dorothy Kohanski <dkohanski@yahoo.com>
To: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 12:25 PM
Subject: Naturalization petition denied - now what?
I received a petition for naturalization for a
relative, dated 1912. At the end of it, there was a
statement denying the petition and the reason given
was that one of the witnesses (brother in law) was
not a US citizen. It said the petition was denied
"without prejudice". But in the 1920 census it
indicates that he was a citizen. Would there have
been other papers involved?

The "Intention" had been filed in Bismarck, ND in
1889.And the petition in Portland, OR. 1912.

Dorothy Dellar Kohanski
Laguna Woods, CA

Searching DELLAR, DILLER (and variations)
SAVRANSKY, SAVAN, GERTZMAN, WEINSTEIN, CARTMAN - from
Russia and Ukraine > Oregon, Washington, California


GLAYMAN Family-Philadephia #general

walter spector <educonser@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I am looking for the family of Esther and Max Glayman
from Philadelphia and Woodbine NJ.
Walter Spector
educonser@hotmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen GLAYMAN Family-Philadephia #general

walter spector <educonser@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I am looking for the family of Esther and Max Glayman
from Philadelphia and Woodbine NJ.
Walter Spector
educonser@hotmail.com


Re: Info on Gravestone and Death Certificates #general

Haviva Langenauer <havival@...>
 

Alex Bender found that the info on the gravestones of his ggmother and
ggrandfather indicates that each had a father named Moshe. He asks if
this is possible, or whether Moshe was used as a 'generic' name.
It is certainly possible that each one had a father named Moshe.
To the best of my knowledge, there is no such thing as a 'generic' name
used on a grave marker. Moshe was a very popular name in Jewish families.

He then went on to ask why he could not corroborate this with info on the
death certificate. Even though in each case the information came >from a
relative, who should have known the name of the father of the decedent,
the name Moshe was missing >from the death certificate. The informant
for a death certificate is often in a confused state of mind, having
recently experienced the death of a loved one. The answers which he
gives in filling out the death certificate may be incorrect or
incomplete, because of the deeply emotional time at which this is done.
There are many examples of mistakes found on death certificates in the
archives of JewishGen.

The information for the gravestone is usually provided at a time when the
family has recovered >from the emotion of the loss. They have time to
compose themselves and search out other sources to provide the correct
Hebrew names.

I would tell Alex that he should be happy that he was able to discover
the name Moshe on the gravestones.

A sad comment is that many Jewish cemeteries today restrict the
information which can be placed on the grave marker. Sometimes only
English is allowed. Our future genners will have a more difficult
time searching out info >from these sources. Perhaps we should be
careful about the purchase of this final piece of real estate that
we will acquire. Is is time to raise conciousness about this matter?

Haviva Dolgin Langenauer
South Florida


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re:Info on Gravestone and Death Certificates #general

Haviva Langenauer <havival@...>
 

Alex Bender found that the info on the gravestones of his ggmother and
ggrandfather indicates that each had a father named Moshe. He asks if
this is possible, or whether Moshe was used as a 'generic' name.
It is certainly possible that each one had a father named Moshe.
To the best of my knowledge, there is no such thing as a 'generic' name
used on a grave marker. Moshe was a very popular name in Jewish families.

He then went on to ask why he could not corroborate this with info on the
death certificate. Even though in each case the information came >from a
relative, who should have known the name of the father of the decedent,
the name Moshe was missing >from the death certificate. The informant
for a death certificate is often in a confused state of mind, having
recently experienced the death of a loved one. The answers which he
gives in filling out the death certificate may be incorrect or
incomplete, because of the deeply emotional time at which this is done.
There are many examples of mistakes found on death certificates in the
archives of JewishGen.

The information for the gravestone is usually provided at a time when the
family has recovered >from the emotion of the loss. They have time to
compose themselves and search out other sources to provide the correct
Hebrew names.

I would tell Alex that he should be happy that he was able to discover
the name Moshe on the gravestones.

A sad comment is that many Jewish cemeteries today restrict the
information which can be placed on the grave marker. Sometimes only
English is allowed. Our future genners will have a more difficult
time searching out info >from these sources. Perhaps we should be
careful about the purchase of this final piece of real estate that
we will acquire. Is is time to raise conciousness about this matter?

Haviva Dolgin Langenauer
South Florida


Searching: Weissman #general

Marilyn Feingold <mrl@...>
 

I know that my uncle's grandfather, Benjamin Weissman came to the US in
1888. I know he was >from Budapest, Hungary. He was naturalized in New York
on October 16, 1894.

My problem. I am unable to find out which ship he came
in on. According to the the National Archives Ship Arrival Form, "the
index to New York passenger arrivals covers the period 1820-1846 and
1897-1943. We regret that we cannot unertake a page by page search of the
lists for the period 1847-96, inclusive."

So, where does that leave me in my research for Benjamin? Any ideas
will be greatly appreciated.
Marilyn Feingold,
atlanta, georgia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: Weissman #general

Marilyn Feingold <mrl@...>
 

I know that my uncle's grandfather, Benjamin Weissman came to the US in
1888. I know he was >from Budapest, Hungary. He was naturalized in New York
on October 16, 1894.

My problem. I am unable to find out which ship he came
in on. According to the the National Archives Ship Arrival Form, "the
index to New York passenger arrivals covers the period 1820-1846 and
1897-1943. We regret that we cannot unertake a page by page search of the
lists for the period 1847-96, inclusive."

So, where does that leave me in my research for Benjamin? Any ideas
will be greatly appreciated.
Marilyn Feingold,
atlanta, georgia


JewishGen search engines uncover hidden clues to your heritage #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

Subject: JewishGen search engines uncover hidden clues to your heritage.

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search engines to enhance your knowledge. Search the website, search
databases or search archived discussion group messages. Uncover
hidden clues to your heritage.

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text on the Belarus SIG web pages.
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III. Search the ShtetLinks pages. You can easily search all of the text on
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You can search for any word or word combination in a message.
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Dave
--
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Mail to: davefox@jewishgen.org
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus


Belarus SIG #Belarus JewishGen search engines uncover hidden clues to your heritage #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

Subject: JewishGen search engines uncover hidden clues to your heritage.

Much valuable information resides on JewishGen servers. Use their
search engines to enhance your knowledge. Search the website, search
databases or search archived discussion group messages. Uncover
hidden clues to your heritage.

I. Search the Belarus SIG website. You can easily search all of the
text on the Belarus SIG web pages.
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/index.html
This is the SIG homepage and there is a search form on there.

II. Search the All Belarus Database
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/belarus/

III. Search the ShtetLinks pages. You can easily search all of the text on
the ShtetLinks pages by going to the SIG homepage and using the search form
noted above.

IV. Search the JewishGen website. You can easily search all of the
text on JewishGen's web pages by going to the SIG homepage and using the
search form noted above or go to
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/Search.htm

V. Search JewishGen's Databases.
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/

VI. Special Interest Groups Archives (includes Belarus SIG) -
contains all SIG discussion group messages posted since July 1998.
You can search for any word or word combination in a message.
http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~sigspop

VII. JewishGen Discussion Group Archives - contain all discussion
group messages (non-SIG) posted since September 1993 .
You can search for any word or word combination in a message.
http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~archpop

VIII. To search for family surnames and ancestral towns, search the
JewishGen Family Finder.
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/jgffweb.htm

IX. To search for family members on other family trees, search the JewishGen
Family Tree of the Jewish People.
http://www.jewishgen.org/gedcom/

Happy hunting!!

Dave
--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox@jewishgen.org
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus


Re: Naturalization petition denied - now what? #general

Avrum Lapin <avrum113@...>
 

Subject: Naturalization petition denied - now what?
From: Dorothy Kohanski <dkohanski@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:25:07 -0700 (PDT)
I received a petition for naturalization for a
relative, dated 1912. At the end of it, there was a
statement denying the petition and the reason given
was that one of the witnesses (brother in law) was
not a US citizen. It said the petition was denied
"without prejudice". But in the 1920 census it
indicates that he was a citizen. Would there have
been other papers involved?

The "Intention" had been filed in Bismarck, ND in
1889.And the petition in Portland, OR. 1912.

The petition may have been resubmitted with an acceptable witness and
approved. Now can it be found.

As for the census data, I am not sure about what was done in 1920,
but my responses to recent census questions were not verified so I
could put what ever I wanted down. Are you the garbage man or the
environmental specialist. As a research source I think that the
census information has to be taken with that information in mind.

Avrum Lapin, of Upland, CA
avrum113@earthlink.net

Researching:
LAPIN Grodno
LAPUNSKI Grodno,Indura and Sokolka
KATZ,Abraham Bialystok and Sokolka
LUBELSKY Bialystok
RODIN Winnipeg and Gomel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Naturalization petition denied - now what? #general

Avrum Lapin <avrum113@...>
 

Subject: Naturalization petition denied - now what?
From: Dorothy Kohanski <dkohanski@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:25:07 -0700 (PDT)
I received a petition for naturalization for a
relative, dated 1912. At the end of it, there was a
statement denying the petition and the reason given
was that one of the witnesses (brother in law) was
not a US citizen. It said the petition was denied
"without prejudice". But in the 1920 census it
indicates that he was a citizen. Would there have
been other papers involved?

The "Intention" had been filed in Bismarck, ND in
1889.And the petition in Portland, OR. 1912.

The petition may have been resubmitted with an acceptable witness and
approved. Now can it be found.

As for the census data, I am not sure about what was done in 1920,
but my responses to recent census questions were not verified so I
could put what ever I wanted down. Are you the garbage man or the
environmental specialist. As a research source I think that the
census information has to be taken with that information in mind.

Avrum Lapin, of Upland, CA
avrum113@earthlink.net

Researching:
LAPIN Grodno
LAPUNSKI Grodno,Indura and Sokolka
KATZ,Abraham Bialystok and Sokolka
LUBELSKY Bialystok
RODIN Winnipeg and Gomel


Bessarabia to Brazil #general

Denise Azbill <famaz1@...>
 

Dear Genners,

My husband's great-grandfather, "Harry" Schneider, left Bessarabia with his
wife, Sophie, around 1904. He settled in Santa Maria, Brazil. Two of their
children, including my husband's grandfather, Morrie, were born there. Can
anyone please give me help in specific ways of finding these people in Santa
Maria? I searched through the DG archives, and didn't find anything that
could help me. It would be fantastic if I could get a copy of a birth
record. I know there are LDS films for this time period, but there are so
many that I don't know where to begin.

Or, if anyone knows of a researcher in this area of Brazil, I would be most
appreciative. Please respond privately.

Thanks!
Denise Azbill
Las Vegas, NV
SEARCHING: WEIDENFELD, ZWIRNBAUM, BLEIMAN, FALK, KESSLER, MESSING


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bessarabia to Brazil #general

Denise Azbill <famaz1@...>
 

Dear Genners,

My husband's great-grandfather, "Harry" Schneider, left Bessarabia with his
wife, Sophie, around 1904. He settled in Santa Maria, Brazil. Two of their
children, including my husband's grandfather, Morrie, were born there. Can
anyone please give me help in specific ways of finding these people in Santa
Maria? I searched through the DG archives, and didn't find anything that
could help me. It would be fantastic if I could get a copy of a birth
record. I know there are LDS films for this time period, but there are so
many that I don't know where to begin.

Or, if anyone knows of a researcher in this area of Brazil, I would be most
appreciative. Please respond privately.

Thanks!
Denise Azbill
Las Vegas, NV
SEARCHING: WEIDENFELD, ZWIRNBAUM, BLEIMAN, FALK, KESSLER, MESSING


Thanks re: "Naturalization denied" #general

Dorothy Kohanski <dkohanski@...>
 

Dear friends and fellow hobbyists,

Thanks to all who offered advise and suggestions
regarding my inquiry of a naturalization petition
denied because of a non citizen witness. The matter
is now straightened out and I appreciate everyone's
thoughts. You are a great bunch.
Dorothy Dellar Kohanski
Laguna Woods, CA

Searching DELLAR, DILLER (and variations)
SAVRANSKY, SAVAN, GERTZMAN, WEINSTEIN, CARTMAN - from
Russia and Ukraine > Oregon, Washington, California

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thanks re: "Naturalization denied" #general

Dorothy Kohanski <dkohanski@...>
 

Dear friends and fellow hobbyists,

Thanks to all who offered advise and suggestions
regarding my inquiry of a naturalization petition
denied because of a non citizen witness. The matter
is now straightened out and I appreciate everyone's
thoughts. You are a great bunch.
Dorothy Dellar Kohanski
Laguna Woods, CA

Searching DELLAR, DILLER (and variations)
SAVRANSKY, SAVAN, GERTZMAN, WEINSTEIN, CARTMAN - from
Russia and Ukraine > Oregon, Washington, California

MODERATOR NOTE:
If you have achieved some success in your research
efforts through the use of JewishGen, you may wish to make
a contribution towards the continuation of it's services.
Please visit
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/
for details of how your support can make a difference.


help in NYPL #general

vangheluwe <vangheluwe-smietan@...>
 

Bonjour,

I need help of someone for a (quick) loock up in NYPL.

Many thanks

Daniel Vangheluwe
France

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen help in NYPL #general

vangheluwe <vangheluwe-smietan@...>
 

Bonjour,

I need help of someone for a (quick) loock up in NYPL.

Many thanks

Daniel Vangheluwe
France

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately


BLEKHER in ALD #general

Jackye Sullins <jsullins@...>
 

I posted the following to the Litvak SIG group but didn't get a response so
I'm broadening my base. {:>) If you've already read it there, my apologies.

I need some information >from those familiar with the postal bank records on
the ALD. I found a couple of entries that need further explanation. These
are the entries:

1909-Silale: BLEKHER, Gilia?, father Abram, 40 >from Kvedarna, wife Gite
daughter of Berel, 190 rubles.

1914-Silale: BLEKHER, Gita, father Berel, 45, maiden name GALIS, housewife,
daughter KAGAN, Rashe daughter of Ovsey, 400 rubles

1. What does the 1914 entry mean? Did Gita leave money to her daughter,
Rashe and was Rashe's father Ovsey?

2. The 1909 entry looks like the same family but the man's name is
different as well as his father's. Can Ovsey and Gilia? be reconciled?

3. Silale 1858 revision list has an Ovsey whose father was Mordkhel so I
may have the wrong family BUT Ovsey's second name was Yavnel and I cannot
find that name listed. Any ideas?

Thank you in advance for any guidance listers might have.

Jackye Sullins
San Diego


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BLEKHER in ALD #general

Jackye Sullins <jsullins@...>
 

I posted the following to the Litvak SIG group but didn't get a response so
I'm broadening my base. {:>) If you've already read it there, my apologies.

I need some information >from those familiar with the postal bank records on
the ALD. I found a couple of entries that need further explanation. These
are the entries:

1909-Silale: BLEKHER, Gilia?, father Abram, 40 >from Kvedarna, wife Gite
daughter of Berel, 190 rubles.

1914-Silale: BLEKHER, Gita, father Berel, 45, maiden name GALIS, housewife,
daughter KAGAN, Rashe daughter of Ovsey, 400 rubles

1. What does the 1914 entry mean? Did Gita leave money to her daughter,
Rashe and was Rashe's father Ovsey?

2. The 1909 entry looks like the same family but the man's name is
different as well as his father's. Can Ovsey and Gilia? be reconciled?

3. Silale 1858 revision list has an Ovsey whose father was Mordkhel so I
may have the wrong family BUT Ovsey's second name was Yavnel and I cannot
find that name listed. Any ideas?

Thank you in advance for any guidance listers might have.

Jackye Sullins
San Diego