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"Sunshine" #hungary

B Frederics <picturethisfilm@...>
 

I'm responding to Michael Kelemen's message regarding the movie "Sunshine".
I won't answer his questions regarding the film here. However, it is a movie
that every Hungarian Jew searching their family roots should see. The story
covers the late 19th century through the Hungarian uprising against the
communists. It is actually about three generations of a Jewish family in
Budapest and because of anti-Semitism, are forced to choose between their
faith and professional success. The relationships between family members are
not incestuous (as Michael questions), but evolve >from a longing to be
accepted for the person they are, something nearly impossible in 19th
century Austria-Hungary.

My Hungarian family was very much like the SONNENSCHEINE aka SUNSHINE
family, with each successive generation removing themselves further from
their Jewish roots. Some changed their name or the spelling to be less
Magyar and more German for business reasons, while living in Budapest. As I
watched the film, I felt a kinship to the characters and had a better
understanding of my forebearers.

Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@...

Seeking:
ZEISLER, UNGER, ECSEDI, LOWY, HERTZFELD
(Budapest, Gyongyos, DiosGyor, Kazinc, Ga'cs)

Subject: Sunshine
From: "Michael Kelemen" <m.kel@...>
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:52:17 -0400
X-Message-Number: 8

This is off-topic so it's best if
any responses are directed to me
personally at m.kel@...

Last night the Canadian Broadcasting
Corporation showed "Sunshine".

Interviews with Robert Lantos who spoke
about his own life and Ralph Fiennes
who spoke at length about the director,
Istvan Szabo, can be found at the CBC
website (below).

http://www.cbc.ca/television/behindthescenes.html

But, I didn't fully understand the film.

First the son, Ignatz, marries his sister/cousin.
Then she has an affair with his brother.
Then Ignaztz son, Adam, has an affair with his brother's wife.
Then Ignatz' grandson, Ivan, chooses an inaccessible, married
woman as a lover and has his closest personal relationship
with his grandmother. (We see them chatting on the bed).

The director said that the film is about Jews
trying to fit into Hungarian society. In the end,
however, Ivan reverts to the family's original, Jewish
name, Sonnenscheine, and is happy for the very first time.
(His grandmother also calls identifies Sonnenscheine
just before she dies).

Does the inability to break out of the family romantically
betray the fact that these Hungarian Jews unable to really
break away >from their background?

And, at the end, Adam says that his grandmother had
been the only family member to have ever been free.
I didn't see that. She left her husband when his
commitment to being dispassionate Austro-Hungarian
judge makes him stuffy but she did nothing to stall
the urge to assimilate which in the end is seen as
the villain of the piece.

Regards,

Michael Kelemen

Moderator VK: This is slightly off-topic but may be of interest to those
who heard Rita Horvath's presentation on Hungarian-Jewish Family Novels at
the IAJGS conference. Please continue the discussion off-list unless
there's something to say that's more relevant to the topic of
Hungarian-Jewish family research.

Hungary SIG #Hungary "Sunshine" #hungary

B Frederics <picturethisfilm@...>
 

I'm responding to Michael Kelemen's message regarding the movie "Sunshine".
I won't answer his questions regarding the film here. However, it is a movie
that every Hungarian Jew searching their family roots should see. The story
covers the late 19th century through the Hungarian uprising against the
communists. It is actually about three generations of a Jewish family in
Budapest and because of anti-Semitism, are forced to choose between their
faith and professional success. The relationships between family members are
not incestuous (as Michael questions), but evolve >from a longing to be
accepted for the person they are, something nearly impossible in 19th
century Austria-Hungary.

My Hungarian family was very much like the SONNENSCHEINE aka SUNSHINE
family, with each successive generation removing themselves further from
their Jewish roots. Some changed their name or the spelling to be less
Magyar and more German for business reasons, while living in Budapest. As I
watched the film, I felt a kinship to the characters and had a better
understanding of my forebearers.

Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@...

Seeking:
ZEISLER, UNGER, ECSEDI, LOWY, HERTZFELD
(Budapest, Gyongyos, DiosGyor, Kazinc, Ga'cs)

Subject: Sunshine
From: "Michael Kelemen" <m.kel@...>
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:52:17 -0400
X-Message-Number: 8

This is off-topic so it's best if
any responses are directed to me
personally at m.kel@...

Last night the Canadian Broadcasting
Corporation showed "Sunshine".

Interviews with Robert Lantos who spoke
about his own life and Ralph Fiennes
who spoke at length about the director,
Istvan Szabo, can be found at the CBC
website (below).

http://www.cbc.ca/television/behindthescenes.html

But, I didn't fully understand the film.

First the son, Ignatz, marries his sister/cousin.
Then she has an affair with his brother.
Then Ignaztz son, Adam, has an affair with his brother's wife.
Then Ignatz' grandson, Ivan, chooses an inaccessible, married
woman as a lover and has his closest personal relationship
with his grandmother. (We see them chatting on the bed).

The director said that the film is about Jews
trying to fit into Hungarian society. In the end,
however, Ivan reverts to the family's original, Jewish
name, Sonnenscheine, and is happy for the very first time.
(His grandmother also calls identifies Sonnenscheine
just before she dies).

Does the inability to break out of the family romantically
betray the fact that these Hungarian Jews unable to really
break away >from their background?

And, at the end, Adam says that his grandmother had
been the only family member to have ever been free.
I didn't see that. She left her husband when his
commitment to being dispassionate Austro-Hungarian
judge makes him stuffy but she did nothing to stall
the urge to assimilate which in the end is seen as
the villain of the piece.

Regards,

Michael Kelemen

Moderator VK: This is slightly off-topic but may be of interest to those
who heard Rita Horvath's presentation on Hungarian-Jewish Family Novels at
the IAJGS conference. Please continue the discussion off-list unless
there's something to say that's more relevant to the topic of
Hungarian-Jewish family research.

Re: Annie FISCHER (pianist): jewish? #hungary

Andrew Sanders <atsmord@...>
 

Yes,Annie Fischer was Jewish. She was a typical Budapest Jew, like almost
all famous Hungarian musicians.

Andrew Sanders
Toronto / Haifa

Re: Internet Help from Google for genealogical searches... #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

This is most helpful. Thanks for being so generous with these instructions.
My uncle may too have been a member of the artist's club as he was a
professional sculptor and painter who had sculpted the busts of many prominent
persons in Hungary. A famous Ophthalmologist in the US brought with him the
bust
of himself, sculpted by my uncle.
Kitty Sauber

Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Annie FISCHER (pianist): jewish? #hungary

Andrew Sanders <atsmord@...>
 

Yes,Annie Fischer was Jewish. She was a typical Budapest Jew, like almost
all famous Hungarian musicians.

Andrew Sanders
Toronto / Haifa

Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Internet Help from Google for genealogical searches... #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

This is most helpful. Thanks for being so generous with these instructions.
My uncle may too have been a member of the artist's club as he was a
professional sculptor and painter who had sculpted the busts of many prominent
persons in Hungary. A famous Ophthalmologist in the US brought with him the
bust
of himself, sculpted by my uncle.
Kitty Sauber

Re: Internet Help from Google for genealogical searches... #hungary

MarkoKupas@...
 

Thank you very much, it's really useful and interesting information! I will
try it in a few minutes..

By the wyay, do you know a Hungarian search engine? Sometimes, in country
specific search engines special entries can be found whose are not listed in big,
international databases and search engines. Sometimes this helps..

Regards
Marko

Moderator VK: Check out http://www.searchenginecolossus.com/Hungary.html, http://www.sharelook.hu/, http://www.net.hu/search/

Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Internet Help from Google for genealogical searches... #hungary

MarkoKupas@...
 

Thank you very much, it's really useful and interesting information! I will
try it in a few minutes..

By the wyay, do you know a Hungarian search engine? Sometimes, in country
specific search engines special entries can be found whose are not listed in big,
international databases and search engines. Sometimes this helps..

Regards
Marko

Moderator VK: Check out http://www.searchenginecolossus.com/Hungary.html, http://www.sharelook.hu/, http://www.net.hu/search/

LANTOS #hungary

Sebastian Lantos <sebastian@...>
 

Dear friends
I am new to this experience and would like to know anything about the =
Lantos
family. My father Charles Peter, Fritz (uncle) and my granddad Emile =
moved
to Argentina, where I am from. I now live in the US.

Although not very common there are several Lantos' in larger cities =
around
the world. I would like to know how and if we are connected.

Regards
Sebastian Lantos
<snip>

Hungary SIG #Hungary LANTOS #hungary

Sebastian Lantos <sebastian@...>
 

Dear friends
I am new to this experience and would like to know anything about the =
Lantos
family. My father Charles Peter, Fritz (uncle) and my granddad Emile =
moved
to Argentina, where I am from. I now live in the US.

Although not very common there are several Lantos' in larger cities =
around
the world. I would like to know how and if we are connected.

Regards
Sebastian Lantos
<snip>

Re: Annie FISCHER (pianist): jewish? #hungary

Oblath András <oblath@...>
 

Yes, she was jewish.

András

-----Eredeti üzenet-----
Feladó: Daniel Teichman [mailto:daniel.teichman@...]
Elküldve: 2003. október 12. 22:18
Címzett: H-SIG
Tárgy: [h-sig] Annie FISCHER (pianist): jewish?


Does anybody know whether the famous hungarian pianist Annie FISCHER (born
July 5th 1914 in Budapest, died April 1995 in Budapest) was jewish?

Daniel Teichman
Zurich, Switzerland
daniel.teichman@...

Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Annie FISCHER (pianist): jewish? #hungary

Oblath András <oblath@...>
 

Yes, she was jewish.

András

-----Eredeti üzenet-----
Feladó: Daniel Teichman [mailto:daniel.teichman@...]
Elküldve: 2003. október 12. 22:18
Címzett: H-SIG
Tárgy: [h-sig] Annie FISCHER (pianist): jewish?


Does anybody know whether the famous hungarian pianist Annie FISCHER (born
July 5th 1914 in Budapest, died April 1995 in Budapest) was jewish?

Daniel Teichman
Zurich, Switzerland
daniel.teichman@...

BOF Slutsk, BOF Divin, BOF Kutno #belarus

drgoldin90@...
 

Hi

Please add me to the following BOF groups for the names that follow.

BOF Slutsk: Breakstone/Petzuran/Cohen, Bregman
BOF Divin: Goldin
BOF Kutno: Fisher

Thanks
Marge Goldin

Belarus SIG #Belarus BOF Slutsk, BOF Divin, BOF Kutno #belarus

drgoldin90@...
 

Hi

Please add me to the following BOF groups for the names that follow.

BOF Slutsk: Breakstone/Petzuran/Cohen, Bregman
BOF Divin: Goldin
BOF Kutno: Fisher

Thanks
Marge Goldin

SCARBOWY #general

Errol Schneegurt
 

Hi,
My father has told me that his grandfather
was called Lieb Scarbowy. In my research I
have found that his name to be Lieb Jaraslower
and Abraham Lieb Jaraslower.
I recently received several birth records and
on two of them they refer to the father as
Scarbowy (as best as I can read it) Jaraslower.
The remainder of the records refer to him
as Lieb Jaraslower.

My question is what does Scarbowy mean? Is it
one of his names in Polish or is it referring
to something unrelated to his name?

Thank you
Errol Schneegurt LI NY ESLVIV@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SCARBOWY #general

Errol Schneegurt
 

Hi,
My father has told me that his grandfather
was called Lieb Scarbowy. In my research I
have found that his name to be Lieb Jaraslower
and Abraham Lieb Jaraslower.
I recently received several birth records and
on two of them they refer to the father as
Scarbowy (as best as I can read it) Jaraslower.
The remainder of the records refer to him
as Lieb Jaraslower.

My question is what does Scarbowy mean? Is it
one of his names in Polish or is it referring
to something unrelated to his name?

Thank you
Errol Schneegurt LI NY ESLVIV@...

Re: searching JRI-Poland not based on surname #general

Mark Halpern <willie46@...>
 

Dear Maya:

Using the Jewish Records Indexing - Poland searchable database
[go to homepage at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/ and click
Search Database], researchers can only search by surname and/or
town. The indices that make up this database of over 2 million
entries are created in Microsoft Excel and then converted for
addition to the database. Many of these Excel files for indices
created under projects with the Polish State Archives can be
acquired by researchers. For more information on how to qualify
for receipt of an Excel file, please contact me privately.

You are interested in records >from Sniatyn. In 1875, Sniatyn was
a Jewish District town where Jewish vital events were registered
for Sniatyn and nearby towns and villages. Although JRI-Poland is
indexing the records for 87 district towns in eastern Galicia
available through the AGAD Archives in Warsaw, regretfully
Sniatyn records are not included in AGAD's collection. The best
place to identify if records for your ancestral town exist and
where they can be found is Miriam Weiner's Routes to Roots
Foundation website at http://www.rtrfoundation.org/.

However, it is always worthwhile to search the JRI-Poland
database as record indices for 60 of the 87 towns in the AGAD
project are included in the online database and Kolomyja is one
of these towns. To only capture records >from eastern Galicia that
are part of the AGAD project, set "Province" to "Ukraine." In the
results for LUWISCH, searched using Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex,
there is the 1875 Kolomyja birth of Josel Zallel son of Dawid
LUWESCH and Hudie SCHNEBALG. This is a possibility and with a few
more clicks, you can order this record >from AGAD through the
JRI-Poland AGAD Order System.

Mark Halpern
AGAD Archive Coordinator
JRI-Poland

----- Original Message -----
Hello all,

does anybody know of a possibility of
searching JRI-Poland without a surname
or townname? I am trying to find records
for a Joseph Luwisch, born in 1875 in Sniatyn,
Kolomya. As he is not listed under Luwisch,
I would like to check the possibility of a
listing under the mother's maiden name -
which I do not know. entering a specific town
in the main search window only retrieves
records that have this town name in the
entry, but not records found in that town /
branch of archives. It would be most helpful
if I could see the entire Kolomya 1875 BMD
for example, or if searching on first
names was possible.

any ideas? or do I just run the risk of
being inundated with piles of information
impossible to sift through?

thanks to all
Maya Elbaz
Ramat-Gan, Israel

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: searching JRI-Poland not based on surname #general

Mark Halpern <willie46@...>
 

Dear Maya:

Using the Jewish Records Indexing - Poland searchable database
[go to homepage at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/ and click
Search Database], researchers can only search by surname and/or
town. The indices that make up this database of over 2 million
entries are created in Microsoft Excel and then converted for
addition to the database. Many of these Excel files for indices
created under projects with the Polish State Archives can be
acquired by researchers. For more information on how to qualify
for receipt of an Excel file, please contact me privately.

You are interested in records >from Sniatyn. In 1875, Sniatyn was
a Jewish District town where Jewish vital events were registered
for Sniatyn and nearby towns and villages. Although JRI-Poland is
indexing the records for 87 district towns in eastern Galicia
available through the AGAD Archives in Warsaw, regretfully
Sniatyn records are not included in AGAD's collection. The best
place to identify if records for your ancestral town exist and
where they can be found is Miriam Weiner's Routes to Roots
Foundation website at http://www.rtrfoundation.org/.

However, it is always worthwhile to search the JRI-Poland
database as record indices for 60 of the 87 towns in the AGAD
project are included in the online database and Kolomyja is one
of these towns. To only capture records >from eastern Galicia that
are part of the AGAD project, set "Province" to "Ukraine." In the
results for LUWISCH, searched using Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex,
there is the 1875 Kolomyja birth of Josel Zallel son of Dawid
LUWESCH and Hudie SCHNEBALG. This is a possibility and with a few
more clicks, you can order this record >from AGAD through the
JRI-Poland AGAD Order System.

Mark Halpern
AGAD Archive Coordinator
JRI-Poland

----- Original Message -----
Hello all,

does anybody know of a possibility of
searching JRI-Poland without a surname
or townname? I am trying to find records
for a Joseph Luwisch, born in 1875 in Sniatyn,
Kolomya. As he is not listed under Luwisch,
I would like to check the possibility of a
listing under the mother's maiden name -
which I do not know. entering a specific town
in the main search window only retrieves
records that have this town name in the
entry, but not records found in that town /
branch of archives. It would be most helpful
if I could see the entire Kolomya 1875 BMD
for example, or if searching on first
names was possible.

any ideas? or do I just run the risk of
being inundated with piles of information
impossible to sift through?

thanks to all
Maya Elbaz
Ramat-Gan, Israel

Re: Help with tombstone text (not translation) #general

Charles Vitez <vitez@...>
 

"M&M Schejtman" <mario_m@...> wrote in message
news:031c01c390e2$914a7350$f6da19ac@mwt2qncwlbatzz...
I have a tombstone >from Radomsko cemetery
in Poland.

Most of the text is straight forward, except
for the date of death.

Does anyone *know* if Taanit Esther (13 Adar)
can also be written as Esther Taanit? I know this
is strange, but these are the words I can read
on the stone,and they are followed by the year
5621 (1861). There are no other word that can
be a date.
***CV***
It is not unusual to reverse the order in Jiddisch
and refer to the fast as "der Esster tayness"
in speech, but I do not recall such usage
on metzevot. Where was this?
****


I can email a JPG of the stone.

Thanks for any help

Merav Schejtman-Gilai
Jerusalem Israel

Searching: ZILBERSZAC- Radomsko Poland
HERC- Wloszcowa Poland
NAGLER- Romania?

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Help with tombstone text (not translation) #general

Charles Vitez <vitez@...>
 

"M&M Schejtman" <mario_m@...> wrote in message
news:031c01c390e2$914a7350$f6da19ac@mwt2qncwlbatzz...
I have a tombstone >from Radomsko cemetery
in Poland.

Most of the text is straight forward, except
for the date of death.

Does anyone *know* if Taanit Esther (13 Adar)
can also be written as Esther Taanit? I know this
is strange, but these are the words I can read
on the stone,and they are followed by the year
5621 (1861). There are no other word that can
be a date.
***CV***
It is not unusual to reverse the order in Jiddisch
and refer to the fast as "der Esster tayness"
in speech, but I do not recall such usage
on metzevot. Where was this?
****


I can email a JPG of the stone.

Thanks for any help

Merav Schejtman-Gilai
Jerusalem Israel

Searching: ZILBERSZAC- Radomsko Poland
HERC- Wloszcowa Poland
NAGLER- Romania?