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names referring to hair, eye or complexion color
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philafrum
11/18/03
Genners, According to family lore I had a great great aunt who was called "Tante Charna", and "Charne" refers to someone with black eyes or coloring or a brunette. The name "Brena" refers to brown hair or eyes. Could they be used interchangeably or could someone have used both names? I ask because this same great great aunt indicated an arrival date of June 16, 1898 on her naturalization papers, but EIDB lists a 'Brane EIDELMAN" not a 'Charne EIDELMAN". Is this just a coincidence or more? Many thanks for your comments. Evan Fishman ebf2001@... Cherry Hill, NJ Searching: MANDESTEIN/MENDELSTEIN (Starokonstantinov, Ukraine)LISNITZER (Zaslaw/Izyaslav, Ukraine)ADELMAN/EDELMAN (Krasilov, Ukraine) KALMANOWITZ (Kamenets-Podolskiy, Ukraine) UDIN (Kiyev, Ukraine)BURSTEIN (Kiyev & Radomyshl, Ukraine)WINARKSY (Kiyev, Ukraine)FISZMAN (Terespol, Poland) FINKEL (Teerespol, Poland)PRESSEISEN
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen names referring to hair, eye or complexion color
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philafrum
11/18/03
Genners, According to family lore I had a great great aunt who was called "Tante Charna", and "Charne" refers to someone with black eyes or coloring or a brunette. The name "Brena" refers to brown hair or eyes. Could they be used interchangeably or could someone have used both names? I ask because this same great great aunt indicated an arrival date of June 16, 1898 on her naturalization papers, but EIDB lists a 'Brane EIDELMAN" not a 'Charne EIDELMAN". Is this just a coincidence or more? Many thanks for your comments. Evan Fishman ebf2001@... Cherry Hill, NJ Searching: MANDESTEIN/MENDELSTEIN (Starokonstantinov, Ukraine)LISNITZER (Zaslaw/Izyaslav, Ukraine)ADELMAN/EDELMAN (Krasilov, Ukraine) KALMANOWITZ (Kamenets-Podolskiy, Ukraine) UDIN (Kiyev, Ukraine)BURSTEIN (Kiyev & Radomyshl, Ukraine)WINARKSY (Kiyev, Ukraine)FISZMAN (Terespol, Poland) FINKEL (Teerespol, Poland)PRESSEISEN
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JGS-Denmark
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Elsebeth Paikin
I am pleased to inform you that a new Jewish Genealogical Society has been
formed: JGS-Denmark The website is hosted by JewishGen and found at the URL: http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-denmark/ At present the website is only in Danish, but it will be translated into English as soon as possible. JGS-Denmark is an independent society but will, naturally, cooperate closely with JewishGen's Scandinavia SIG (Denmark): http://www.jewishgen.org/Scandinavia/denmark.htm Best regards Elsebeth Paikin JGS-Denmark http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-denmark/ mailto:jgsdk_ep@...
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS-Denmark
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Elsebeth Paikin
I am pleased to inform you that a new Jewish Genealogical Society has been
formed: JGS-Denmark The website is hosted by JewishGen and found at the URL: http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-denmark/ At present the website is only in Danish, but it will be translated into English as soon as possible. JGS-Denmark is an independent society but will, naturally, cooperate closely with JewishGen's Scandinavia SIG (Denmark): http://www.jewishgen.org/Scandinavia/denmark.htm Best regards Elsebeth Paikin JGS-Denmark http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-denmark/ mailto:jgsdk_ep@...
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"Sounds alike" in Steve Morse's EIDB system
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Israel P <isai8v10@...>
The task of making "sound alike" functions is formidable so let me make
clear that this is meant as a tip, not as criticism. I was looking for someone named Grunspan on EIDB, going through the Steve Morse pages. Even using the sound alike function I could not find the person. Eventually she turned up as Grinschpan, which to my ear sound very much like Grunspan. But obviously not on that function. So others might do well to keep in mind that "s" and "sh" may have to be searched separately. Israel Pickholtz
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Sounds alike" in Steve Morse's EIDB system
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Israel P <isai8v10@...>
The task of making "sound alike" functions is formidable so let me make
clear that this is meant as a tip, not as criticism. I was looking for someone named Grunspan on EIDB, going through the Steve Morse pages. Even using the sound alike function I could not find the person. Eventually she turned up as Grinschpan, which to my ear sound very much like Grunspan. But obviously not on that function. So others might do well to keep in mind that "s" and "sh" may have to be searched separately. Israel Pickholtz
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UIZ Hospital, Brooklyn, New York?
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BABYCAT3 <babycat3@...>
Today I contacted Beth David Cemetery in Elmont New York to get some data
regarding my paternal great-grandparents, Nathan and Lena (INGERMAN) SILVERMAN. I was told that Lena INGERMAN SILVERMAN died in UIZ Hospital and when I questioned the person on the phone, he had no explanation of what UIZ is or might stand for. If anyone has heard of UIZ hospital or something similar, please clarify this for me if you will. Thank you and please respond privately, Barbara Meyers NJ, USA babycat3@...
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Doloruda
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Israel P <isai8v10@...>
An entry on a 1911 passenger list lists the passenger's birthplace and
father's address as "Doloruda" where I expected it might say "Tarnoruda" near Podwoloczysk (East Galicia). The handwriting is quite clear in both places. (If you wish to look on EIDB, the passenger is Henie Grinschpan.) ShtetlSeeker has no listing for Doloruda. Can I get away with assuming that this is Tarnoruda or close enough to make no difference? (Henie's residence in Podwoloczysk.) Israel Pickholtz
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen UIZ Hospital, Brooklyn, New York?
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BABYCAT3 <babycat3@...>
Today I contacted Beth David Cemetery in Elmont New York to get some data
regarding my paternal great-grandparents, Nathan and Lena (INGERMAN) SILVERMAN. I was told that Lena INGERMAN SILVERMAN died in UIZ Hospital and when I questioned the person on the phone, he had no explanation of what UIZ is or might stand for. If anyone has heard of UIZ hospital or something similar, please clarify this for me if you will. Thank you and please respond privately, Barbara Meyers NJ, USA babycat3@...
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Doloruda
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Israel P <isai8v10@...>
An entry on a 1911 passenger list lists the passenger's birthplace and
father's address as "Doloruda" where I expected it might say "Tarnoruda" near Podwoloczysk (East Galicia). The handwriting is quite clear in both places. (If you wish to look on EIDB, the passenger is Henie Grinschpan.) ShtetlSeeker has no listing for Doloruda. Can I get away with assuming that this is Tarnoruda or close enough to make no difference? (Henie's residence in Podwoloczysk.) Israel Pickholtz
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Atlit Detention and Clandestine Immigrantion to Israel
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Chaim freedman
I recently visited the Clandestine Immigrants Camp Museum at Atlit, Israel.
Amongst the exhibits is a film which demonstrates a database that the organization is in the process of developing. The database contains personal information about those immigrants who arrived in Eretz Yisrael in a clandestine fashion during the British Mandate. Many of them were interned at Atlit. Currently the archive includes about 11,000 personal cards which are in the process of being computerized. The potential number of clandestine "Ma'apilim" is estimated at 120,000. Many people in Israel have provided personal material, documents and photographs, but it is probable than many others left Israel and settled throughout the world. I believe this is an important project and suggest that anyone who have any connection should contact the database manager Naomi Yitshar. The project is part of the The Council for Restoration and Preservation of Historic Sites in Israel http://www.shimur.co.il/english/index-e.html See the section "BeNetivei Ha'hapala". Chaim Freedman Petah Tikvah, Israel email chaimjan@...
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Atlit Detention and Clandestine Immigrantion to Israel
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Chaim freedman
I recently visited the Clandestine Immigrants Camp Museum at Atlit, Israel.
Amongst the exhibits is a film which demonstrates a database that the organization is in the process of developing. The database contains personal information about those immigrants who arrived in Eretz Yisrael in a clandestine fashion during the British Mandate. Many of them were interned at Atlit. Currently the archive includes about 11,000 personal cards which are in the process of being computerized. The potential number of clandestine "Ma'apilim" is estimated at 120,000. Many people in Israel have provided personal material, documents and photographs, but it is probable than many others left Israel and settled throughout the world. I believe this is an important project and suggest that anyone who have any connection should contact the database manager Naomi Yitshar. The project is part of the The Council for Restoration and Preservation of Historic Sites in Israel http://www.shimur.co.il/english/index-e.html See the section "BeNetivei Ha'hapala". Chaim Freedman Petah Tikvah, Israel email chaimjan@...
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Re: Stille Chupa ( Silent wedding )
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Aubrey Jacobus <zen28027@...>
A stille chupa - eg a marriage not registered in National Civil Law was
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surely common in Die Heim -for various reasons - eg it was of no special importance within a closed community - so one finds in later years children are deemed illegimate and have difficulty in proving their entitlement to Civil Documents ( Passports etc ) - but the stille chupa seems to have occured after immigration - Why ?
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From: "Ida & Joseph Schwarcz" < idayosef@...> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:06 PM Subject: RE: Stille Chupa ( Silent wedding ) As I seem to remember, in Russia such a wedding was performed during thewould accept it.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Stille Chupa ( Silent wedding )
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Aubrey Jacobus <zen28027@...>
A stille chupa - eg a marriage not registered in National Civil Law was
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surely common in Die Heim -for various reasons - eg it was of no special importance within a closed community - so one finds in later years children are deemed illegimate and have difficulty in proving their entitlement to Civil Documents ( Passports etc ) - but the stille chupa seems to have occured after immigration - Why ?
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From: "Ida & Joseph Schwarcz" < idayosef@...> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:06 PM Subject: RE: Stille Chupa ( Silent wedding ) As I seem to remember, in Russia such a wedding was performed during thewould accept it.
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Ukrainian State Archives website
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Denise Azbill <famaz1@...>
Dear Genners,
I found a website for the Ukrainian State Archives at: www.archives.gov.ua/Eng/index.php This is a great site with a lot of information about how to obtain records. They give two options for research: having the State Archives do it, or an organization they formed called the Ukrainian Center for Genealogical Research. The prices seem extremely high. I am wondering if anyone has used the either of these, and which one is better, or if anyone has used a private researcher with which they were very pleased with the quality of their work. Please respond privately about the private researchers. Thank you, Denise Azbill Las Vegas, NV
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Re: Surname "Regensburg"
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Sally M. Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
Good luck. Early NY immigration is not indexed. If your family came
before Castle Garden, they basically got off the ship at whatever pier. There are passenger lists, but, as you note, no indices. There is a volunteer Ship Passenger List Transcribers' Guild (find it on Cindy's List or elsewhere)where you might just get lucky! Try it. There are Hamburg Passenger Lists >from the 1850's, but they might not have traveled through Hamburg-it is worth a shot though. My German family, from near Frankfurt, was said to have emigrated through Le Havre-but I never found any of them. The earliest are on the 1830-46 (I think those are the years) NY index, you can try that as well unless you are sure they are later. Of course, if they could have come to Philadelphia or anywhere else except NYC, try those lists which are indexed. While you are at the Mormon library, get the German Emigration Lists, the Baden Emigration Lists, the Alsace Emigration Lists, the Wurttemburg Emigration Lists and any other that you can find. My gr grandfather was on the Baden list (1853) although I don't know when he got to the US-I checked all of NY 1853 and other east coast ports. I have been told that they might be listed if they even 'passed through' Alsace or somewhere. Hopefully, you will find them on something-you might find an exact town, because Frankfurt might have been the "Big City" and they might have actually lived somewhere around there. Eventually, of course, they will get back to Regensburg, but not with the Regensburg surname-they left and got the surname somewhere else. Sally Bruckheimer Harrison, NY
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ukrainian State Archives website
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Denise Azbill <famaz1@...>
Dear Genners,
I found a website for the Ukrainian State Archives at: www.archives.gov.ua/Eng/index.php This is a great site with a lot of information about how to obtain records. They give two options for research: having the State Archives do it, or an organization they formed called the Ukrainian Center for Genealogical Research. The prices seem extremely high. I am wondering if anyone has used the either of these, and which one is better, or if anyone has used a private researcher with which they were very pleased with the quality of their work. Please respond privately about the private researchers. Thank you, Denise Azbill Las Vegas, NV
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Surname "Regensburg"
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Sally M. Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
Good luck. Early NY immigration is not indexed. If your family came
before Castle Garden, they basically got off the ship at whatever pier. There are passenger lists, but, as you note, no indices. There is a volunteer Ship Passenger List Transcribers' Guild (find it on Cindy's List or elsewhere)where you might just get lucky! Try it. There are Hamburg Passenger Lists >from the 1850's, but they might not have traveled through Hamburg-it is worth a shot though. My German family, from near Frankfurt, was said to have emigrated through Le Havre-but I never found any of them. The earliest are on the 1830-46 (I think those are the years) NY index, you can try that as well unless you are sure they are later. Of course, if they could have come to Philadelphia or anywhere else except NYC, try those lists which are indexed. While you are at the Mormon library, get the German Emigration Lists, the Baden Emigration Lists, the Alsace Emigration Lists, the Wurttemburg Emigration Lists and any other that you can find. My gr grandfather was on the Baden list (1853) although I don't know when he got to the US-I checked all of NY 1853 and other east coast ports. I have been told that they might be listed if they even 'passed through' Alsace or somewhere. Hopefully, you will find them on something-you might find an exact town, because Frankfurt might have been the "Big City" and they might have actually lived somewhere around there. Eventually, of course, they will get back to Regensburg, but not with the Regensburg surname-they left and got the surname somewhere else. Sally Bruckheimer Harrison, NY
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Searching for Hertz LEVY in Herxheim (near Landau, Rheinpfalz)
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Herbert Lenk <hlenk@...>
I am a new GerSIG member, and this is my first attempt to do family
research in this forum. According to the French census of Alsatian Jews in 1784, there were 9 Jewish families living in Herxheim (then part of French Alsace, now Baden-Wuerttemberg) which is near Landau, Rheinpfalz. The heads of these families were: ISRAEL, Low (o umlaut) LEVY, Low (o umlaut) WOLFF, Jacques LEVY, Isaac LOSER (O umlaut), Meyer LOEW (O umlaut), Samuel LEVY, Hertz LOSER (O umlaut), Ezechiel ISAAC, Alexandre Hertz LEVY was my g.g.grandfather who was born in Herxheim in 1741 and died there in 1844 (yes, 103 years old). Does anyone have information about any of the above named families and their relationship with each other, and especially about Hertz (also known as Salomon) LEVY, his parents and siblings? I have more details about Hertz's spouses (1st and 2nd) and children, but I will wait until another time. Please reply to hlenk@.... Thank you. Herbert LENK, Sarasota, Florida, USA MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately unless the information is of general interest to the Group.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for Hertz LEVY in Herxheim (near Landau, Rheinpfalz)
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Herbert Lenk <hlenk@...>
I am a new GerSIG member, and this is my first attempt to do family
research in this forum. According to the French census of Alsatian Jews in 1784, there were 9 Jewish families living in Herxheim (then part of French Alsace, now Baden-Wuerttemberg) which is near Landau, Rheinpfalz. The heads of these families were: ISRAEL, Low (o umlaut) LEVY, Low (o umlaut) WOLFF, Jacques LEVY, Isaac LOSER (O umlaut), Meyer LOEW (O umlaut), Samuel LEVY, Hertz LOSER (O umlaut), Ezechiel ISAAC, Alexandre Hertz LEVY was my g.g.grandfather who was born in Herxheim in 1741 and died there in 1844 (yes, 103 years old). Does anyone have information about any of the above named families and their relationship with each other, and especially about Hertz (also known as Salomon) LEVY, his parents and siblings? I have more details about Hertz's spouses (1st and 2nd) and children, but I will wait until another time. Please reply to hlenk@.... Thank you. Herbert LENK, Sarasota, Florida, USA MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately unless the information is of general interest to the Group.
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