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names referring to hair, eye or complexion color #general

philafrum
 

11/18/03
Genners,

According to family lore I had a great great aunt who was called "Tante
Charna", and "Charne" refers to someone with black eyes or coloring or a
brunette. The name "Brena" refers to brown hair or eyes. Could they be
used interchangeably or could someone have used both names?

I ask because this same great great aunt indicated an arrival date of June
16, 1898 on her naturalization papers, but EIDB lists a 'Brane EIDELMAN"
not a 'Charne EIDELMAN". Is this just a coincidence or more?

Many thanks for your comments.

Evan Fishman
ebf2001@...
Cherry Hill, NJ
Searching:

MANDESTEIN/MENDELSTEIN (Starokonstantinov, Ukraine)LISNITZER
(Zaslaw/Izyaslav, Ukraine)ADELMAN/EDELMAN (Krasilov, Ukraine)
KALMANOWITZ (Kamenets-Podolskiy, Ukraine)
UDIN (Kiyev, Ukraine)BURSTEIN (Kiyev & Radomyshl, Ukraine)WINARKSY (Kiyev,
Ukraine)FISZMAN (Terespol, Poland) FINKEL (Teerespol, Poland)PRESSEISEN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen names referring to hair, eye or complexion color #general

philafrum
 

11/18/03
Genners,

According to family lore I had a great great aunt who was called "Tante
Charna", and "Charne" refers to someone with black eyes or coloring or a
brunette. The name "Brena" refers to brown hair or eyes. Could they be
used interchangeably or could someone have used both names?

I ask because this same great great aunt indicated an arrival date of June
16, 1898 on her naturalization papers, but EIDB lists a 'Brane EIDELMAN"
not a 'Charne EIDELMAN". Is this just a coincidence or more?

Many thanks for your comments.

Evan Fishman
ebf2001@...
Cherry Hill, NJ
Searching:

MANDESTEIN/MENDELSTEIN (Starokonstantinov, Ukraine)LISNITZER
(Zaslaw/Izyaslav, Ukraine)ADELMAN/EDELMAN (Krasilov, Ukraine)
KALMANOWITZ (Kamenets-Podolskiy, Ukraine)
UDIN (Kiyev, Ukraine)BURSTEIN (Kiyev & Radomyshl, Ukraine)WINARKSY (Kiyev,
Ukraine)FISZMAN (Terespol, Poland) FINKEL (Teerespol, Poland)PRESSEISEN


JGS-Denmark #general

Elsebeth Paikin
 

I am pleased to inform you that a new Jewish Genealogical Society has been
formed:

JGS-Denmark

The website is hosted by JewishGen and found at the URL:

http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-denmark/

At present the website is only in Danish, but it will be translated into
English as soon as possible.

JGS-Denmark is an independent society but will, naturally, cooperate
closely with JewishGen's Scandinavia SIG (Denmark):

http://www.jewishgen.org/Scandinavia/denmark.htm

Best regards


Elsebeth Paikin
JGS-Denmark
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-denmark/
mailto:jgsdk_ep@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS-Denmark #general

Elsebeth Paikin
 

I am pleased to inform you that a new Jewish Genealogical Society has been
formed:

JGS-Denmark

The website is hosted by JewishGen and found at the URL:

http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-denmark/

At present the website is only in Danish, but it will be translated into
English as soon as possible.

JGS-Denmark is an independent society but will, naturally, cooperate
closely with JewishGen's Scandinavia SIG (Denmark):

http://www.jewishgen.org/Scandinavia/denmark.htm

Best regards


Elsebeth Paikin
JGS-Denmark
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-denmark/
mailto:jgsdk_ep@...


"Sounds alike" in Steve Morse's EIDB system #general

Israel P <isai8v10@...>
 

The task of making "sound alike" functions is formidable so let me make
clear that this is meant as a tip, not as criticism.

I was looking for someone named Grunspan on EIDB, going through the Steve
Morse pages. Even using the sound alike function I could not find the
person.

Eventually she turned up as Grinschpan, which to my ear sound very much
like Grunspan. But obviously not on that function. So others might do
well to keep in mind that "s" and "sh" may have to be searched separately.

Israel Pickholtz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Sounds alike" in Steve Morse's EIDB system #general

Israel P <isai8v10@...>
 

The task of making "sound alike" functions is formidable so let me make
clear that this is meant as a tip, not as criticism.

I was looking for someone named Grunspan on EIDB, going through the Steve
Morse pages. Even using the sound alike function I could not find the
person.

Eventually she turned up as Grinschpan, which to my ear sound very much
like Grunspan. But obviously not on that function. So others might do
well to keep in mind that "s" and "sh" may have to be searched separately.

Israel Pickholtz


UIZ Hospital, Brooklyn, New York? #general

BABYCAT3 <babycat3@...>
 

Today I contacted Beth David Cemetery in Elmont New York to get some data
regarding my paternal great-grandparents, Nathan and Lena (INGERMAN)
SILVERMAN.

I was told that Lena INGERMAN SILVERMAN died in UIZ Hospital and when I
questioned the person on the phone, he had no explanation of what
UIZ is or might stand for.

If anyone has heard of UIZ hospital or something similar, please clarify
this for me if you will.

Thank you and please respond privately,

Barbara Meyers
NJ, USA
babycat3@...


Doloruda #general

Israel P <isai8v10@...>
 

An entry on a 1911 passenger list lists the passenger's birthplace and
father's address as "Doloruda" where I expected it might say "Tarnoruda"
near Podwoloczysk (East Galicia). The handwriting is quite clear in both
places. (If you wish to look on EIDB, the passenger is Henie Grinschpan.)

ShtetlSeeker has no listing for Doloruda.

Can I get away with assuming that this is Tarnoruda or close enough to
make no difference? (Henie's residence in Podwoloczysk.)

Israel Pickholtz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen UIZ Hospital, Brooklyn, New York? #general

BABYCAT3 <babycat3@...>
 

Today I contacted Beth David Cemetery in Elmont New York to get some data
regarding my paternal great-grandparents, Nathan and Lena (INGERMAN)
SILVERMAN.

I was told that Lena INGERMAN SILVERMAN died in UIZ Hospital and when I
questioned the person on the phone, he had no explanation of what
UIZ is or might stand for.

If anyone has heard of UIZ hospital or something similar, please clarify
this for me if you will.

Thank you and please respond privately,

Barbara Meyers
NJ, USA
babycat3@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Doloruda #general

Israel P <isai8v10@...>
 

An entry on a 1911 passenger list lists the passenger's birthplace and
father's address as "Doloruda" where I expected it might say "Tarnoruda"
near Podwoloczysk (East Galicia). The handwriting is quite clear in both
places. (If you wish to look on EIDB, the passenger is Henie Grinschpan.)

ShtetlSeeker has no listing for Doloruda.

Can I get away with assuming that this is Tarnoruda or close enough to
make no difference? (Henie's residence in Podwoloczysk.)

Israel Pickholtz


Atlit Detention and Clandestine Immigrantion to Israel #general

Chaim freedman
 

I recently visited the Clandestine Immigrants Camp Museum at Atlit, Israel.
Amongst the exhibits is a film which demonstrates a database that the
organization is in the process of developing. The database contains
personal information about those immigrants who arrived in Eretz Yisrael
in a clandestine fashion during the British Mandate. Many of them were
interned at Atlit.

Currently the archive includes about 11,000 personal cards which are in the
process of being computerized. The potential number of
clandestine "Ma'apilim" is estimated at 120,000.

Many people in Israel have provided personal material, documents and
photographs, but it is probable than many others left Israel and settled
throughout the world.

I believe this is an important project and suggest that anyone who have any
connection should contact the database manager Naomi Yitshar.
The project is part of the The Council for Restoration and Preservation of
Historic Sites in Israel http://www.shimur.co.il/english/index-e.html
See the section "BeNetivei Ha'hapala".

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
email chaimjan@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Atlit Detention and Clandestine Immigrantion to Israel #general

Chaim freedman
 

I recently visited the Clandestine Immigrants Camp Museum at Atlit, Israel.
Amongst the exhibits is a film which demonstrates a database that the
organization is in the process of developing. The database contains
personal information about those immigrants who arrived in Eretz Yisrael
in a clandestine fashion during the British Mandate. Many of them were
interned at Atlit.

Currently the archive includes about 11,000 personal cards which are in the
process of being computerized. The potential number of
clandestine "Ma'apilim" is estimated at 120,000.

Many people in Israel have provided personal material, documents and
photographs, but it is probable than many others left Israel and settled
throughout the world.

I believe this is an important project and suggest that anyone who have any
connection should contact the database manager Naomi Yitshar.
The project is part of the The Council for Restoration and Preservation of
Historic Sites in Israel http://www.shimur.co.il/english/index-e.html
See the section "BeNetivei Ha'hapala".

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
email chaimjan@...


Re: Stille Chupa ( Silent wedding ) #general

Aubrey Jacobus <zen28027@...>
 

A stille chupa - eg a marriage not registered in National Civil Law was
surely common in Die Heim -for various reasons - eg it was of no special
importance within a closed community - so one finds in later years
children are deemed illegimate and have difficulty in proving their
entitlement to Civil Documents ( Passports etc ) - but the stille chupa
seems to have occured after immigration - Why ?

---- Original Message -----
From: "Ida & Joseph Schwarcz" < idayosef@...>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Stille Chupa ( Silent wedding )

As I seem to remember, in Russia such a wedding was performed during the
time of pogroms when to make a big party with music could have brought
disaster.
Ida

-----Original Message-----
From: Aubrey Jacobus [mailto:zen28027@...]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 4:05 PM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Stille Chupa ( Silent wedding )
Can we have some light on the shady subject of the "stille chupa" . I
assume they did as I believe a warning against them was issued in UK.

Questions
a.What evidence or record , they occurred -When and where.
b. Who officiated ?.
c. What was the purpose - other than bigamy / poligamy -
e Any Ketubah ?
e. Did the Beth Din collude - ? A "stille chupa". could only have a
religious validity - which assumes that future religious authorities
would accept it.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Stille Chupa ( Silent wedding ) #general

Aubrey Jacobus <zen28027@...>
 

A stille chupa - eg a marriage not registered in National Civil Law was
surely common in Die Heim -for various reasons - eg it was of no special
importance within a closed community - so one finds in later years
children are deemed illegimate and have difficulty in proving their
entitlement to Civil Documents ( Passports etc ) - but the stille chupa
seems to have occured after immigration - Why ?

---- Original Message -----
From: "Ida & Joseph Schwarcz" < idayosef@...>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Stille Chupa ( Silent wedding )

As I seem to remember, in Russia such a wedding was performed during the
time of pogroms when to make a big party with music could have brought
disaster.
Ida

-----Original Message-----
From: Aubrey Jacobus [mailto:zen28027@...]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 4:05 PM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Stille Chupa ( Silent wedding )
Can we have some light on the shady subject of the "stille chupa" . I
assume they did as I believe a warning against them was issued in UK.

Questions
a.What evidence or record , they occurred -When and where.
b. Who officiated ?.
c. What was the purpose - other than bigamy / poligamy -
e Any Ketubah ?
e. Did the Beth Din collude - ? A "stille chupa". could only have a
religious validity - which assumes that future religious authorities
would accept it.


Ukrainian State Archives website #general

Denise Azbill <famaz1@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I found a website for the Ukrainian State Archives at:
www.archives.gov.ua/Eng/index.php This is a great site with a lot of
information about how to obtain records. They give two options for
research: having the State Archives do it, or an organization they formed
called the Ukrainian Center for Genealogical Research. The prices seem
extremely high. I am wondering if anyone has used the either of these,
and which one is better, or if anyone has used a private researcher with
which they were very pleased with the quality of their work. Please
respond privately about the private researchers.

Thank you,
Denise Azbill
Las Vegas, NV


Re: Surname "Regensburg" #general

Sally M. Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Good luck. Early NY immigration is not indexed. If your family came
before Castle Garden, they basically got off the ship at whatever pier.
There are passenger lists, but, as you note, no indices. There is a
volunteer Ship Passenger List Transcribers' Guild (find it on Cindy's List
or elsewhere)where you might just get lucky! Try it.

There are Hamburg Passenger Lists >from the 1850's, but they might not have
traveled through Hamburg-it is worth a shot though. My German family, from
near Frankfurt, was said to have emigrated through Le Havre-but I never
found any of them. The earliest are on the 1830-46 (I think those are the
years) NY index, you can try that as well unless you are sure they are
later. Of course, if they could have come to Philadelphia or anywhere else
except NYC, try those lists which are indexed.

While you are at the Mormon library, get the German Emigration Lists, the
Baden Emigration Lists, the Alsace Emigration Lists, the Wurttemburg
Emigration Lists and any other that you can find. My gr grandfather was on
the Baden list (1853) although I don't know when he got to the US-I checked
all of NY 1853 and other east coast ports. I have been told that they
might be listed if they even 'passed through' Alsace or somewhere.

Hopefully, you will find them on something-you might find an exact town,
because Frankfurt might have been the "Big City" and they might have
actually lived somewhere around there. Eventually, of course, they will
get back to Regensburg, but not with the Regensburg surname-they left and
got the surname somewhere else.

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ukrainian State Archives website #general

Denise Azbill <famaz1@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I found a website for the Ukrainian State Archives at:
www.archives.gov.ua/Eng/index.php This is a great site with a lot of
information about how to obtain records. They give two options for
research: having the State Archives do it, or an organization they formed
called the Ukrainian Center for Genealogical Research. The prices seem
extremely high. I am wondering if anyone has used the either of these,
and which one is better, or if anyone has used a private researcher with
which they were very pleased with the quality of their work. Please
respond privately about the private researchers.

Thank you,
Denise Azbill
Las Vegas, NV


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Surname "Regensburg" #general

Sally M. Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Good luck. Early NY immigration is not indexed. If your family came
before Castle Garden, they basically got off the ship at whatever pier.
There are passenger lists, but, as you note, no indices. There is a
volunteer Ship Passenger List Transcribers' Guild (find it on Cindy's List
or elsewhere)where you might just get lucky! Try it.

There are Hamburg Passenger Lists >from the 1850's, but they might not have
traveled through Hamburg-it is worth a shot though. My German family, from
near Frankfurt, was said to have emigrated through Le Havre-but I never
found any of them. The earliest are on the 1830-46 (I think those are the
years) NY index, you can try that as well unless you are sure they are
later. Of course, if they could have come to Philadelphia or anywhere else
except NYC, try those lists which are indexed.

While you are at the Mormon library, get the German Emigration Lists, the
Baden Emigration Lists, the Alsace Emigration Lists, the Wurttemburg
Emigration Lists and any other that you can find. My gr grandfather was on
the Baden list (1853) although I don't know when he got to the US-I checked
all of NY 1853 and other east coast ports. I have been told that they
might be listed if they even 'passed through' Alsace or somewhere.

Hopefully, you will find them on something-you might find an exact town,
because Frankfurt might have been the "Big City" and they might have
actually lived somewhere around there. Eventually, of course, they will
get back to Regensburg, but not with the Regensburg surname-they left and
got the surname somewhere else.

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY


Searching for Hertz LEVY in Herxheim (near Landau, Rheinpfalz) #general

Herbert Lenk <hlenk@...>
 

I am a new GerSIG member, and this is my first attempt to do family
research in this forum.

According to the French census of Alsatian Jews in 1784, there were 9
Jewish families living in Herxheim (then part of French Alsace, now
Baden-Wuerttemberg) which is near Landau, Rheinpfalz. The heads of these
families were:

ISRAEL, Low (o umlaut)
LEVY, Low (o umlaut)
WOLFF, Jacques
LEVY, Isaac
LOSER (O umlaut), Meyer
LOEW (O umlaut), Samuel
LEVY, Hertz
LOSER (O umlaut), Ezechiel
ISAAC, Alexandre

Hertz LEVY was my g.g.grandfather who was born in Herxheim in 1741 and died
there in 1844 (yes, 103 years old). Does anyone have information about any
of the above named families and their relationship with each other, and
especially about Hertz (also known as Salomon) LEVY, his parents and
siblings? I have more details about Hertz's spouses (1st and 2nd) and
children, but I will wait until another time.

Please reply to hlenk@.... Thank you.

Herbert LENK,
Sarasota, Florida, USA

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately unless the information is of
general interest to the Group.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for Hertz LEVY in Herxheim (near Landau, Rheinpfalz) #general

Herbert Lenk <hlenk@...>
 

I am a new GerSIG member, and this is my first attempt to do family
research in this forum.

According to the French census of Alsatian Jews in 1784, there were 9
Jewish families living in Herxheim (then part of French Alsace, now
Baden-Wuerttemberg) which is near Landau, Rheinpfalz. The heads of these
families were:

ISRAEL, Low (o umlaut)
LEVY, Low (o umlaut)
WOLFF, Jacques
LEVY, Isaac
LOSER (O umlaut), Meyer
LOEW (O umlaut), Samuel
LEVY, Hertz
LOSER (O umlaut), Ezechiel
ISAAC, Alexandre

Hertz LEVY was my g.g.grandfather who was born in Herxheim in 1741 and died
there in 1844 (yes, 103 years old). Does anyone have information about any
of the above named families and their relationship with each other, and
especially about Hertz (also known as Salomon) LEVY, his parents and
siblings? I have more details about Hertz's spouses (1st and 2nd) and
children, but I will wait until another time.

Please reply to hlenk@.... Thank you.

Herbert LENK,
Sarasota, Florida, USA

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately unless the information is of
general interest to the Group.