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virtual Shadove
#lithuania
"רוזן
Hello Fellow LitvakSig Members . Re : my search for the booklet on Shadove
Although I have received many replies and letters of interest to my search , I have not been successful in locating the booklet on Shadove . As a result , I suggest to you the idea of creating a virtual Shadove as an alternative. Each of us will contribute whatever data he or she has about the place . The information gathered should provide us with a list of families , their occupations , and maybe even photos . As an example , I have a photo of young girls on hachsharah , supposedly >from Shadove . Maybe somebody will recognize a friend or relative amongst them . I invite anyone interested in creating a virtual Shadove with me to send me whatever material , information and pictures they have about Shadove . I will organize the list and distribute it amongst all those interested , including the photo in my position of the girls on hachsharah . Answer to m4rosen@012net.il Sincerely , Anat Rosen Abirim Israel Researching: Rashkes- Kauas, Shteyn- Seduva, Goldshtein- Mariampol all from Lithuania. MODERATOR'S NOTE: You may also want to consider putting the material you collect on a ShtetlLink page. See http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/ for more information.
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania virtual Shadove
#lithuania
"רוזן
Hello Fellow LitvakSig Members . Re : my search for the booklet on Shadove
Although I have received many replies and letters of interest to my search , I have not been successful in locating the booklet on Shadove . As a result , I suggest to you the idea of creating a virtual Shadove as an alternative. Each of us will contribute whatever data he or she has about the place . The information gathered should provide us with a list of families , their occupations , and maybe even photos . As an example , I have a photo of young girls on hachsharah , supposedly >from Shadove . Maybe somebody will recognize a friend or relative amongst them . I invite anyone interested in creating a virtual Shadove with me to send me whatever material , information and pictures they have about Shadove . I will organize the list and distribute it amongst all those interested , including the photo in my position of the girls on hachsharah . Answer to m4rosen@012net.il Sincerely , Anat Rosen Abirim Israel Researching: Rashkes- Kauas, Shteyn- Seduva, Goldshtein- Mariampol all from Lithuania. MODERATOR'S NOTE: You may also want to consider putting the material you collect on a ShtetlLink page. See http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/ for more information.
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Re: Ashkenazi population bottleneck
#dna
Dick Plotz
On 2004.04.19, Jake Goldstein <jake@computer.org> wrote:
[See] http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/Behar%202004%20mtDNA.pdfNot likely. At a ballpark figure of 4 generations per century, the Ashkenazi population bottleneck was about 25-30 generations ago. One could argue that there was an earlier "Ashkenazi population bottleneck" with the origins of Ashkenaz some 80 generations ago, when the community was founded by Jews traveling with the colonizing Romans, but that is not what is generally meant by the term, and is genetically far less meaningful. 100 generations ago our ancestors were in exile in Babylon and there were no Ashkenazim. Dick Plotz Providence RI USA
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DNA Research #DNA Re: Ashkenazi population bottleneck
#dna
Dick Plotz
On 2004.04.19, Jake Goldstein <jake@computer.org> wrote:
[See] http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/Behar%202004%20mtDNA.pdfNot likely. At a ballpark figure of 4 generations per century, the Ashkenazi population bottleneck was about 25-30 generations ago. One could argue that there was an earlier "Ashkenazi population bottleneck" with the origins of Ashkenaz some 80 generations ago, when the community was founded by Jews traveling with the colonizing Romans, but that is not what is generally meant by the term, and is genetically far less meaningful. 100 generations ago our ancestors were in exile in Babylon and there were no Ashkenazim. Dick Plotz Providence RI USA
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The Ancestors of Edel Raphael in Ettendorf and Wittersheim, Alsace
#france
Ralph N. Baer <RalphNBaer@...>
All of the place names in this message not otherwise designated are in
Alsace. Most of the information contained here was pieced together >from the book "Memoire Juive en Alsace: Contrats de Mariage au XVIIIeme Siecle," by Andre Aaron Fraenckel. There are some inconsistencies which I will not go into in this message. My fifth great-grandmother, Edel Raphael, was born in 1730 in Wittersheim. On about 2 September 1751 she married in Haguenau the teacher Feistel Heymann (Feissel Hayim, Ouri-Chraga Hayim) (born 1728 Gunstett). Edel was living in Ettendorf at the time of her marriage. After marriage, Edel and Feistel lived in Ingwiller. The male descendants of this family assumed the name GUNSTETT in 1808 as was mentioned in a message in early March about that family. Edel's parents were Raphael (Fohlen) Aron who was the Rabbi in Ettendorf and earlier lived in Wittersheim and Malcke. Raphael's father, Aron Raphael, died before 1750. I am, of course, interested in any earlier ancestral data. The following four people were apparently children of Aron Raphael and his unknown wife. I have some information on all the lines and am very interested in adding to it. Also, I am interested in identifying further children. 1) Raphael Aron, Rabbi, apparently still living in 1776, died by 1778 probably in Ettendorf, married to Malcke, lived in Wittersheim and Ettendorf (my sixth great-grandparents) 2) Ettel (Edel) Aron of Wittersheim, married 1. to Schile Simon-Mosche, died in Dauendorf, married 2. 17 February 1750 Minversheim to Nesanel (Samuel) LEVY, living in 1760 in Haguenau. The descendants of the first marriage adopted the name KORB. 3) Ephrayim (Zalmon, Salomon) Aron of Wittersheim, married 13 August 1755 Kuttolsheim to Soerle (Serche) Moyse of Mannheim (Baden) 4) Isaac Aron, married to Guttel Alexandre, lived in Wittersheim I have been able to identify eight children of Rabbi Raphael Aron. There may have been others. Probably all but Moyse, who was born in Ettendorf, were born in Wittersheim. 1) Feigel Raphael of Wittersheim, living in 1750 in Ettendorf, living in 1778 in Surbourg, apparently died by 1781 Haguenau, married 1. 21 January 1750 Haguenau to Nachman Meyer of Gunstett, married 2. 21 December 1778 Haguenau to Meyer Mordekhay (Marx) of Haguenau 2) Edel Raphael 1730 Wittersheim, living in 1751 in Ettendorf, married about 2 September 1751 Haguenau to Feistel Heymann (Feissel Hayim, Ouri-Chraga Hayim) 1728 Gunstett, teacher (my fifth great-grandparents) 3) Merle Raphael, living in 1759 in Ettendorf, married 27 June 1759 Mommenheim to Abraham Yehiel of Wittersheim 4) Salomon (Efraim) Raphael, living in 1762 in Ettendorf, married 24 February 1762 Hochfelden to Scheinel Aron (of Weiterswiller?) 5) Samuel Raphael BLUM, living in 1763 in Ettendorf, married 16 February 1763 Hochfelden to Gella (Gela, Gales KORB) Schiele (cousin, daughter of Ettel Aron) of Dauendorf, living in 1784 in Bischheim 6) Aron Raphael, cantor, living in 1767 in Ettendorf, living in 1773 in Surbourg, married 1. 11 June 1767 Wittersheim to Scheinel Goetschel of Reichshoffen, married 2. 20 August 1773 Surbourg to Ettel Nachman (Adele MEYER) (niece, daughter of Feigel) (of Surbourg?), living in 1784 in Krautergersheim, living in 1808 in Bischheim 7) Israel Raphael BLUM, living in 1771 in Ettendorf, married 20 February 1771 Strasbourg? to Malka Jacob (Sara ROOS) of Nonnenweier, living in 1784 in Ettendorf, living in 1808 in Bischheim 8) Moyse Raphael of Ettendorf, living in 1778 in Bischheim, married 26 November 1778 Bischheim to Hindel (Huendel) Menahem WEYL of Bischheim, living in 1784 in Bischheim. Sons adopted the family name BLUM in 1808. Moyse was apparently dead by that time. I have varying amounts of data on most of these lines and am interested in adding to it. As can be seen, at least three of the branches assumed the name BLUM. Ralph N. Baer Washington, DC RalphNBaer@aol.com
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French SIG #France The Ancestors of Edel Raphael in Ettendorf and Wittersheim, Alsace
#france
Ralph N. Baer <RalphNBaer@...>
All of the place names in this message not otherwise designated are in
Alsace. Most of the information contained here was pieced together >from the book "Memoire Juive en Alsace: Contrats de Mariage au XVIIIeme Siecle," by Andre Aaron Fraenckel. There are some inconsistencies which I will not go into in this message. My fifth great-grandmother, Edel Raphael, was born in 1730 in Wittersheim. On about 2 September 1751 she married in Haguenau the teacher Feistel Heymann (Feissel Hayim, Ouri-Chraga Hayim) (born 1728 Gunstett). Edel was living in Ettendorf at the time of her marriage. After marriage, Edel and Feistel lived in Ingwiller. The male descendants of this family assumed the name GUNSTETT in 1808 as was mentioned in a message in early March about that family. Edel's parents were Raphael (Fohlen) Aron who was the Rabbi in Ettendorf and earlier lived in Wittersheim and Malcke. Raphael's father, Aron Raphael, died before 1750. I am, of course, interested in any earlier ancestral data. The following four people were apparently children of Aron Raphael and his unknown wife. I have some information on all the lines and am very interested in adding to it. Also, I am interested in identifying further children. 1) Raphael Aron, Rabbi, apparently still living in 1776, died by 1778 probably in Ettendorf, married to Malcke, lived in Wittersheim and Ettendorf (my sixth great-grandparents) 2) Ettel (Edel) Aron of Wittersheim, married 1. to Schile Simon-Mosche, died in Dauendorf, married 2. 17 February 1750 Minversheim to Nesanel (Samuel) LEVY, living in 1760 in Haguenau. The descendants of the first marriage adopted the name KORB. 3) Ephrayim (Zalmon, Salomon) Aron of Wittersheim, married 13 August 1755 Kuttolsheim to Soerle (Serche) Moyse of Mannheim (Baden) 4) Isaac Aron, married to Guttel Alexandre, lived in Wittersheim I have been able to identify eight children of Rabbi Raphael Aron. There may have been others. Probably all but Moyse, who was born in Ettendorf, were born in Wittersheim. 1) Feigel Raphael of Wittersheim, living in 1750 in Ettendorf, living in 1778 in Surbourg, apparently died by 1781 Haguenau, married 1. 21 January 1750 Haguenau to Nachman Meyer of Gunstett, married 2. 21 December 1778 Haguenau to Meyer Mordekhay (Marx) of Haguenau 2) Edel Raphael 1730 Wittersheim, living in 1751 in Ettendorf, married about 2 September 1751 Haguenau to Feistel Heymann (Feissel Hayim, Ouri-Chraga Hayim) 1728 Gunstett, teacher (my fifth great-grandparents) 3) Merle Raphael, living in 1759 in Ettendorf, married 27 June 1759 Mommenheim to Abraham Yehiel of Wittersheim 4) Salomon (Efraim) Raphael, living in 1762 in Ettendorf, married 24 February 1762 Hochfelden to Scheinel Aron (of Weiterswiller?) 5) Samuel Raphael BLUM, living in 1763 in Ettendorf, married 16 February 1763 Hochfelden to Gella (Gela, Gales KORB) Schiele (cousin, daughter of Ettel Aron) of Dauendorf, living in 1784 in Bischheim 6) Aron Raphael, cantor, living in 1767 in Ettendorf, living in 1773 in Surbourg, married 1. 11 June 1767 Wittersheim to Scheinel Goetschel of Reichshoffen, married 2. 20 August 1773 Surbourg to Ettel Nachman (Adele MEYER) (niece, daughter of Feigel) (of Surbourg?), living in 1784 in Krautergersheim, living in 1808 in Bischheim 7) Israel Raphael BLUM, living in 1771 in Ettendorf, married 20 February 1771 Strasbourg? to Malka Jacob (Sara ROOS) of Nonnenweier, living in 1784 in Ettendorf, living in 1808 in Bischheim 8) Moyse Raphael of Ettendorf, living in 1778 in Bischheim, married 26 November 1778 Bischheim to Hindel (Huendel) Menahem WEYL of Bischheim, living in 1784 in Bischheim. Sons adopted the family name BLUM in 1808. Moyse was apparently dead by that time. I have varying amounts of data on most of these lines and am interested in adding to it. As can be seen, at least three of the branches assumed the name BLUM. Ralph N. Baer Washington, DC RalphNBaer@aol.com
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LitvakSIG meeting at Jerusalem conference
#lithuania
Jrbaston
We have received a few questions about the LitvakSIG
gatherings at the IAJGS Jerusalem conference. Let me try to clarify the situation. The first version of the daily program that is on the conference website does not include meetings for most of the SIGs and Research Groups or Birds-of-a-Feather gatherings. We expect that all such meetings will be included in the second version of the daily program. LitvakSIG has informed the Conference that there will be a LitvakSIG informational meeting, and that we would like to have a LitvakSIG "Kaffe-Klatch" so that Litvaks will have the opportunity to meet and network together. The LitvakSIG meeting and Kaffe-Klatch are listed on the Conference registration form under SIGs. This is why we request that when you register for the Conference, you indicate your intent to join us at the LitvakSIG meeting and Kaffe-Klatch. In addition to these two sessions, there will be a presentation on the All Lithuania Database, as well as other presentations on Litvak research -- all set for the afternoon of Thursday, July 8. Looking forward to seeing you in Jerusalem. Judy Baston, Moderator, LitvakSIG
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania LitvakSIG meeting at Jerusalem conference
#lithuania
Jrbaston
We have received a few questions about the LitvakSIG
gatherings at the IAJGS Jerusalem conference. Let me try to clarify the situation. The first version of the daily program that is on the conference website does not include meetings for most of the SIGs and Research Groups or Birds-of-a-Feather gatherings. We expect that all such meetings will be included in the second version of the daily program. LitvakSIG has informed the Conference that there will be a LitvakSIG informational meeting, and that we would like to have a LitvakSIG "Kaffe-Klatch" so that Litvaks will have the opportunity to meet and network together. The LitvakSIG meeting and Kaffe-Klatch are listed on the Conference registration form under SIGs. This is why we request that when you register for the Conference, you indicate your intent to join us at the LitvakSIG meeting and Kaffe-Klatch. In addition to these two sessions, there will be a presentation on the All Lithuania Database, as well as other presentations on Litvak research -- all set for the afternoon of Thursday, July 8. Looking forward to seeing you in Jerusalem. Judy Baston, Moderator, LitvakSIG
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JGS of Tampa Bay -Meeting - Sunday, April 25, 2004
#general
Mark
Jewish Genealogical Society of Tampa Bay
Meeting President of West Pasco Genealogy Society to Speak On “How To Use Your Local Family History Library” Sunday, April 25, 2004 The Jewish Genealogical Society of Tampa Bay will meet at 2:00 PM Sunday April 25, 2004 at Gulf Coast Jewish Family Services, 14041 Icot Blvd., Clearwater, Florida The President of the West Pasco Genealogy Society, Debbe Hagner, will speak on "How To Use Your Local Family History Library". Ms Hagner is a professional genealogist and an accredited genealogist through the Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints (LDS) in Salt Lake City. Many local LDS churches maintain affiliated Family History Centers and their facilities and resources are available to any interested family history researcher. Several LDS churches in the Tampa Bay area offer these resources, and that will be the subject of Ms. Hagner's presentation. Ms Hagner has been doing genealogy research on her own family for over 30 years and has a Certificate in Family History Research - North American Research from Brigham Young University. The meeting is open to the public. You donot have to be a member of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Tampa Bay to attend this meeting. Dr. Emil H. Isaacson, our VP of education and our librarian, and the author of "2004 Guide to Jewish Genealogy: A Foundation for Beginners and an Update for Experienced Researchers" will lead a question and answer session prior to the start of our meeting. Beginning at 1:30 PM (30 minutes prior to the main program) the main program, Professor Isaacson will be available to answer your questions and try to help you with your genealogical problems. This is for beginners and experienced genealogists For further information on the organization or for directions to the meeting call Mark Baron at 727-842-5789 or Sally Israel at 727-343-1652. Mark Baron President JGSTampaBay@yahoo.com
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Tampa Bay -Meeting - Sunday, April 25, 2004
#general
Mark
Jewish Genealogical Society of Tampa Bay
Meeting President of West Pasco Genealogy Society to Speak On “How To Use Your Local Family History Library” Sunday, April 25, 2004 The Jewish Genealogical Society of Tampa Bay will meet at 2:00 PM Sunday April 25, 2004 at Gulf Coast Jewish Family Services, 14041 Icot Blvd., Clearwater, Florida The President of the West Pasco Genealogy Society, Debbe Hagner, will speak on "How To Use Your Local Family History Library". Ms Hagner is a professional genealogist and an accredited genealogist through the Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints (LDS) in Salt Lake City. Many local LDS churches maintain affiliated Family History Centers and their facilities and resources are available to any interested family history researcher. Several LDS churches in the Tampa Bay area offer these resources, and that will be the subject of Ms. Hagner's presentation. Ms Hagner has been doing genealogy research on her own family for over 30 years and has a Certificate in Family History Research - North American Research from Brigham Young University. The meeting is open to the public. You donot have to be a member of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Tampa Bay to attend this meeting. Dr. Emil H. Isaacson, our VP of education and our librarian, and the author of "2004 Guide to Jewish Genealogy: A Foundation for Beginners and an Update for Experienced Researchers" will lead a question and answer session prior to the start of our meeting. Beginning at 1:30 PM (30 minutes prior to the main program) the main program, Professor Isaacson will be available to answer your questions and try to help you with your genealogical problems. This is for beginners and experienced genealogists For further information on the organization or for directions to the meeting call Mark Baron at 727-842-5789 or Sally Israel at 727-343-1652. Mark Baron President JGSTampaBay@yahoo.com
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Searching Ernest STEINER, Boca Raton
#general
Judy Young <jy-abcd@...>
Hi,
My cousin's wife in Budapest is looking to find out about an uncle of hers who lived in Boca Raton, Florida. He was Ernest Steiner, born in 1896 in Hungary (later Czechoslovakia). He came to the US >from Prague just before the Germans occupied it. I have discovered by looking in the US SSDI records that he died in 1989. He and my cousin's wife had been in fairly regular contact up to 1985 but then lost contact because she got (re)married and changed both her address and her name. It is possible that Mr Steiner's estate had tried to contact her after his death as being one of only a few remaining relatives. I would like to ask first if there are any members that may have known Mr Steiner to get in touch with me off-list. Secondly, If anyone could recommend a lawyer in Boca Raton who could be asked to look into the estate issue (for a fee, of course), I would be grateful for a suggestion - once again off-list. Thank you, Judy Young (Ottawa, Canada) jy-abcd@cyberus.ca MODERATOR NOTE: Please send recommendations for lawyers privately.
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Re: EPSTEIN family legend
#general
s_wiener@...
I believe that the originator of this thread only
wanted to know if any other Genners had ever heard of this bubbameise. I am sure that the credibility of the story was not the point. Please let us not be so harsh on our fellow-Genners. Where else can we openly discuss strange family stories and histories? Because as we know, sometimes there is a kernel of truth hiding inside/beside/around some of these 'jems.' Thanks, Shellie Wiener San Francisco, CA ----- <<I am not familiar with this legend. I would wonder, though, what the chances are that it is true. Why would a Spanish family open the cave by talking Yiddish? They probably would not have known Yiddish until they lived amongst Ashkenazim. And even if they were fluent in several languages, they should have opened the cave with their day to day language, or Hebrew. It was a Spanish family, but the stone was in Germany. Do you expect a German stone to understand Spanish?>>
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Translation Request - Szydlowiec death registration of Rejowski
#general
David Colman <davidcolman@...>
The 1857 registration of my gggg grandfather's death, states: "...umart w
Szydlowiec Michel Rejowski ukonsensowany Duchowny Synagogi...". I have review a copy of this document with several Polish friends. We all agree that we have decipehered the handwriting correctly, but none of them are aware of the word "ukonsensowany" or its meaning. Everybody seems to think it must be related to "konsens", related to the English word "concensus", but they all think it doesn't seem quite right. As well, would Duchowny necessarily refer to a rabbi? Until now, almost all of my ancestors have been tailors, so the occupation translation work has been easy. I would appreciate any help or information available. David Colman Toronto, Ontario
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching Ernest STEINER, Boca Raton
#general
Judy Young <jy-abcd@...>
Hi,
My cousin's wife in Budapest is looking to find out about an uncle of hers who lived in Boca Raton, Florida. He was Ernest Steiner, born in 1896 in Hungary (later Czechoslovakia). He came to the US >from Prague just before the Germans occupied it. I have discovered by looking in the US SSDI records that he died in 1989. He and my cousin's wife had been in fairly regular contact up to 1985 but then lost contact because she got (re)married and changed both her address and her name. It is possible that Mr Steiner's estate had tried to contact her after his death as being one of only a few remaining relatives. I would like to ask first if there are any members that may have known Mr Steiner to get in touch with me off-list. Secondly, If anyone could recommend a lawyer in Boca Raton who could be asked to look into the estate issue (for a fee, of course), I would be grateful for a suggestion - once again off-list. Thank you, Judy Young (Ottawa, Canada) jy-abcd@cyberus.ca MODERATOR NOTE: Please send recommendations for lawyers privately.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: EPSTEIN family legend
#general
s_wiener@...
I believe that the originator of this thread only
wanted to know if any other Genners had ever heard of this bubbameise. I am sure that the credibility of the story was not the point. Please let us not be so harsh on our fellow-Genners. Where else can we openly discuss strange family stories and histories? Because as we know, sometimes there is a kernel of truth hiding inside/beside/around some of these 'jems.' Thanks, Shellie Wiener San Francisco, CA ----- <<I am not familiar with this legend. I would wonder, though, what the chances are that it is true. Why would a Spanish family open the cave by talking Yiddish? They probably would not have known Yiddish until they lived amongst Ashkenazim. And even if they were fluent in several languages, they should have opened the cave with their day to day language, or Hebrew. It was a Spanish family, but the stone was in Germany. Do you expect a German stone to understand Spanish?>>
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Translation Request - Szydlowiec death registration of Rejowski
#general
David Colman <davidcolman@...>
The 1857 registration of my gggg grandfather's death, states: "...umart w
Szydlowiec Michel Rejowski ukonsensowany Duchowny Synagogi...". I have review a copy of this document with several Polish friends. We all agree that we have decipehered the handwriting correctly, but none of them are aware of the word "ukonsensowany" or its meaning. Everybody seems to think it must be related to "konsens", related to the English word "concensus", but they all think it doesn't seem quite right. As well, would Duchowny necessarily refer to a rabbi? Until now, almost all of my ancestors have been tailors, so the occupation translation work has been easy. I would appreciate any help or information available. David Colman Toronto, Ontario
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Hebrew Translation - ViewMate VM3979
#general
Robert Fraser <rwfgjf@...>
Dear Genners -
I am posting this for a friend who does not have internet access. We would appreciate a translation of the information on a Page of Testimony submitted, unknown to her, to the Yad Vashem in 1956 by her late Father. Some of the information is also written in Polish or German, but there are some items that appear in Hebrew only. The direct url is: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3979 Please respond privately. Many thanks and shalom Robert W Fraser Dianella, Western Australia rwfgjf@iinet.net.au
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hebrew Translation - ViewMate VM3979
#general
Robert Fraser <rwfgjf@...>
Dear Genners -
I am posting this for a friend who does not have internet access. We would appreciate a translation of the information on a Page of Testimony submitted, unknown to her, to the Yad Vashem in 1956 by her late Father. Some of the information is also written in Polish or German, but there are some items that appear in Hebrew only. The direct url is: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3979 Please respond privately. Many thanks and shalom Robert W Fraser Dianella, Western Australia rwfgjf@iinet.net.au
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washlikov
#poland
eli rotem <elirz@...>
As my father's family came >from a small town near Bialistock I'll be
very happy to now if there is any information on that town. I am interested in names ROTSHTEIN or some of them named RUTSTEIN and allso LEVIN. Thanks for any info. E. Rotm (Rotshtein)
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BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland washlikov
#poland
eli rotem <elirz@...>
As my father's family came >from a small town near Bialistock I'll be
very happy to now if there is any information on that town. I am interested in names ROTSHTEIN or some of them named RUTSTEIN and allso LEVIN. Thanks for any info. E. Rotm (Rotshtein)
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