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Can a Person who was Imprisoned have been Naturalized? #general

Marilwebb@...
 

I am trying to determine if someone is my great-grandfather or not. (There may be
two people with the same name; or maybe not.) Can a person who was convicted of a
crime and then served time in Sing Sing have come out and then be able to be
naturalized as a US citizen? Does anyone know? This would have been in the 1898 to
1905 period.

(If so, then my great grandfather was in prison since the names match, but then he
was naturalized. So I want to know if this is him.)

Thanks very much.
Marilyn Webb


Looking for E-Mail Address of Ida and Joseph M. Schwarcz #general

Cindy Gallard <cmgcmg@...>
 

Can anyone help with the e-mail address of Ida and Joseph Schwarcz? The Schwarczs
live in Israel. The address I had been using, which is the same one registered
with FTJP, is no longer valid. Your help is appreciated.

Cindy Gallard
Denver, CO
MODERATOR NOTE: Non-working email addresses should also be reported to
LostNFound@lyris.jewishgen.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Can a Person who was Imprisoned have been Naturalized? #general

Marilwebb@...
 

I am trying to determine if someone is my great-grandfather or not. (There may be
two people with the same name; or maybe not.) Can a person who was convicted of a
crime and then served time in Sing Sing have come out and then be able to be
naturalized as a US citizen? Does anyone know? This would have been in the 1898 to
1905 period.

(If so, then my great grandfather was in prison since the names match, but then he
was naturalized. So I want to know if this is him.)

Thanks very much.
Marilyn Webb


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for E-Mail Address of Ida and Joseph M. Schwarcz #general

Cindy Gallard <cmgcmg@...>
 

Can anyone help with the e-mail address of Ida and Joseph Schwarcz? The Schwarczs
live in Israel. The address I had been using, which is the same one registered
with FTJP, is no longer valid. Your help is appreciated.

Cindy Gallard
Denver, CO
MODERATOR NOTE: Non-working email addresses should also be reported to
LostNFound@lyris.jewishgen.org


Re: Before and After Name Adoptions #general

Ury Link
 

Dear Genners,
Monica Leonards asked the next qustion:

>>I'm wondering how people who lived and died before the adoption of surnames are
listed in the European vital records after the adoption of surnames. Let me be
more clear. Suppose you have a woman born before surname adoption in that area,
who married. Some time after her marriage, Jews were required to adopt surnames,
and her surname became that of her husband. Let us assume that at the time of
surname adoption, both her parents were dead. When this woman died, how would her
"maiden name" or parents names be indicated on the death record? When her children
married, how would her "maiden name" be entered?(I know that not all vital records
asked for the maiden name of a deceased woman, or the maiden name of bride/groom
mothers, but some did.)>>>

You question is a correct question, but you give in you letter the answer also,
"I know that not all vital records asked for the maiden name of a deceased woman,
or the maiden name of bride/groom mothers,""

This is one of the biggest problem of a genealogist, to find you family before
the adopting of the family names. In this period of the adopting of family names
in Europe begin of the 19 century we have to deal with another system that we
have today. I have a little experience with documents >from this period and I know
that in the most of the case you can not find the maiden name of a women , the
only think that we know is the name and the name of the father and if she was
married the name of her husband. You have also deal with different country and
different low system. it is dependent in which area you seek you family in
Western Europe or in East or South Europe . But if you have the time and the
patience for research you can find a lot about women names also before the
adoption of family names.One of the best ways is to find the marriage books of a
town that you family lived in (if the have it) look on the name that you seek and
find the name of her mother and father and look also on the names of the witness,
perhaps you find a brother of the bride as a witness. Through this way you can
find what was the family name of the masculine part of the women family that you
seek and look to what name the change if you have documents about it. I promise
you it is not easy but you can have success with this way. In the Jewish burial
books normal you don't find a maiden name of a women in the begin of the 19
century or before.
Best regards
Ury Link
Amsterdam
Holland


Re: Can a Person who was Imprisoned have been Naturalized? #general

L. Altman <altmanlh@...>
 

It is possible. There would have been no way to easily verify that he was in
prison. All he needed were 2 witnesses to state that he had been living in the US
for the required number of years and that he was a good ctizen. It is very
possible that he had 2 friends who would do that for him. Sing-Sing is a minimal
security prison. You did not say why your grandfather would have been there, but
it would not have been for a dangerous felony like 1st degree murder or armed
robbery. One of my family memebers was there for violating a court order.

Linda Altman
Raleigh NC
I am trying to determine if someone is my great-grandfather or not. (There
may be two people with the same name; or maybe not.) Can a person who was
convicted of a crime and then served time in Sing Sing have come out and then be
able to be naturalized as a US citizen? Does anyone know? This would have been in
the 1898 to 1905 period.
Thanks very much.
Marilyn Webb>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:Before and After Name Adoptions #general

Ury Link
 

Dear Genners,
Monica Leonards asked the next qustion:

>>I'm wondering how people who lived and died before the adoption of surnames are
listed in the European vital records after the adoption of surnames. Let me be
more clear. Suppose you have a woman born before surname adoption in that area,
who married. Some time after her marriage, Jews were required to adopt surnames,
and her surname became that of her husband. Let us assume that at the time of
surname adoption, both her parents were dead. When this woman died, how would her
"maiden name" or parents names be indicated on the death record? When her children
married, how would her "maiden name" be entered?(I know that not all vital records
asked for the maiden name of a deceased woman, or the maiden name of bride/groom
mothers, but some did.)>>>

You question is a correct question, but you give in you letter the answer also,
"I know that not all vital records asked for the maiden name of a deceased woman,
or the maiden name of bride/groom mothers,""

This is one of the biggest problem of a genealogist, to find you family before
the adopting of the family names. In this period of the adopting of family names
in Europe begin of the 19 century we have to deal with another system that we
have today. I have a little experience with documents >from this period and I know
that in the most of the case you can not find the maiden name of a women , the
only think that we know is the name and the name of the father and if she was
married the name of her husband. You have also deal with different country and
different low system. it is dependent in which area you seek you family in
Western Europe or in East or South Europe . But if you have the time and the
patience for research you can find a lot about women names also before the
adoption of family names.One of the best ways is to find the marriage books of a
town that you family lived in (if the have it) look on the name that you seek and
find the name of her mother and father and look also on the names of the witness,
perhaps you find a brother of the bride as a witness. Through this way you can
find what was the family name of the masculine part of the women family that you
seek and look to what name the change if you have documents about it. I promise
you it is not easy but you can have success with this way. In the Jewish burial
books normal you don't find a maiden name of a women in the begin of the 19
century or before.
Best regards
Ury Link
Amsterdam
Holland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Can a Person who was Imprisoned have been Naturalized? #general

L. Altman <altmanlh@...>
 

It is possible. There would have been no way to easily verify that he was in
prison. All he needed were 2 witnesses to state that he had been living in the US
for the required number of years and that he was a good ctizen. It is very
possible that he had 2 friends who would do that for him. Sing-Sing is a minimal
security prison. You did not say why your grandfather would have been there, but
it would not have been for a dangerous felony like 1st degree murder or armed
robbery. One of my family memebers was there for violating a court order.

Linda Altman
Raleigh NC
I am trying to determine if someone is my great-grandfather or not. (There
may be two people with the same name; or maybe not.) Can a person who was
convicted of a crime and then served time in Sing Sing have come out and then be
able to be naturalized as a US citizen? Does anyone know? This would have been in
the 1898 to 1905 period.
Thanks very much.
Marilyn Webb>


Re: ROZENTALs or ROSENTHALs from Warka. #general

Marilyn Hoffman <qofhearts2002@...>
 

I am seeking any information on the ROZENTAL or ROSENTHAL family >from Warka,
Poland. My Grandparents were Szmul and Sura ROZENTAL and their children were
Shlomo, Szrul or Israel, Frajda or Freida and Ruth ROZENTAL. There was a sister
who died >from tuberculosis before the war. My Uncle Szrul went to Israel after the
war and my Father Shlomo went to America. We do not know what happened to his
sisters and I believe his parents Szmul and Sura died in the Warsaw Ghetto. My
Grandfather Szmul made the tops of shoes and is listed in the Warka business
directory.
Thank you,
Marilyn Hoffman
qofhearts2002@yahoo.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: ROZENTALs or ROSENTHALs from Warka. #general

Marilyn Hoffman <qofhearts2002@...>
 

I am seeking any information on the ROZENTAL or ROSENTHAL family >from Warka,
Poland. My Grandparents were Szmul and Sura ROZENTAL and their children were
Shlomo, Szrul or Israel, Frajda or Freida and Ruth ROZENTAL. There was a sister
who died >from tuberculosis before the war. My Uncle Szrul went to Israel after the
war and my Father Shlomo went to America. We do not know what happened to his
sisters and I believe his parents Szmul and Sura died in the Warsaw Ghetto. My
Grandfather Szmul made the tops of shoes and is listed in the Warka business
directory.
Thank you,
Marilyn Hoffman
qofhearts2002@yahoo.com


BRUMBERG: Krasilov -> NY, USA + SARDINSKY/WAKSMAN (Cont.) #general

arnonh <arnonh@...>
 

Hello, Dear Genners!

The state of Israel is already 56 y/o (we're just in the end of the Independence
Day here), but my mysteries are much much older... ;-). Thanks to good colleagues,
I've made some steps forward since my previuos message last week. Now, I'm asking
your help in making some further steps in this derection.

My quetsions now concentrate on the following issues:
* how can I locate the following BRUMBERG's descendants? (maybe through the
mentioned WAKSMANs'/SARDINSKYs'?)
* how can I find Sam's/Bashia's death record/place?
* what kind of document will mention Sam's parents?

Here is what I've got till now:

Sam BRUMBERG (aka Schimen/Schiwen in his entries through Ellis Island in 1903,
1913), born in 1873/1877, emigrated to the USA >from Krasilov, Ukraine.

In 1903 (in EI manifest), he mentioned his brother-in-law "David WAKSMAN, c/o
Abram KOFFMAN, 49 Ludlow Street, Manhattan". In 1913, it is his brother-in-law
"SARDINSKY, 2195 Fifth Avenue, NYC".

In 1930 census we find him with his wife: Bashia (born 1879) and their daughters:
Lena (b. 1903), Rose (b. 1906), both born in Krasilov. Because Sam and Bashia's
children are both daughters - I find it hard to trace them. I couldn't find them
in the SSDI either.

Any help regarding the above questions will be of much help!

Yours Sincerely,
Arnon Hershkovitz, Israel
arnonh@tapuz.co.il


Future Descendants #general

Allison Whitlock <allisonawhitlock@...>
 

Hey all,

As genealogists, We all know about looking into the past, but now its possible to
look into the future too...

A company called Across Time delivers messages and items to people on dates up to
18 years into the future.

Its a proactive way to be a good ancestor to your descendants...

Check out the story as it relates to judaism:
jewish.press-world.com/v/61649.html

Allison Whitlock


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BRUMBERG: Krasilov -> NY, USA + SARDINSKY/WAKSMAN (Cont.) #general

arnonh <arnonh@...>
 

Hello, Dear Genners!

The state of Israel is already 56 y/o (we're just in the end of the Independence
Day here), but my mysteries are much much older... ;-). Thanks to good colleagues,
I've made some steps forward since my previuos message last week. Now, I'm asking
your help in making some further steps in this derection.

My quetsions now concentrate on the following issues:
* how can I locate the following BRUMBERG's descendants? (maybe through the
mentioned WAKSMANs'/SARDINSKYs'?)
* how can I find Sam's/Bashia's death record/place?
* what kind of document will mention Sam's parents?

Here is what I've got till now:

Sam BRUMBERG (aka Schimen/Schiwen in his entries through Ellis Island in 1903,
1913), born in 1873/1877, emigrated to the USA >from Krasilov, Ukraine.

In 1903 (in EI manifest), he mentioned his brother-in-law "David WAKSMAN, c/o
Abram KOFFMAN, 49 Ludlow Street, Manhattan". In 1913, it is his brother-in-law
"SARDINSKY, 2195 Fifth Avenue, NYC".

In 1930 census we find him with his wife: Bashia (born 1879) and their daughters:
Lena (b. 1903), Rose (b. 1906), both born in Krasilov. Because Sam and Bashia's
children are both daughters - I find it hard to trace them. I couldn't find them
in the SSDI either.

Any help regarding the above questions will be of much help!

Yours Sincerely,
Arnon Hershkovitz, Israel
arnonh@tapuz.co.il


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Future Descendants #general

Allison Whitlock <allisonawhitlock@...>
 

Hey all,

As genealogists, We all know about looking into the past, but now its possible to
look into the future too...

A company called Across Time delivers messages and items to people on dates up to
18 years into the future.

Its a proactive way to be a good ancestor to your descendants...

Check out the story as it relates to judaism:
jewish.press-world.com/v/61649.html

Allison Whitlock


Federal Pensions #general

Joy Weaver <joyweave@...>
 

One of my uncles worked at the Brooklyn Navy Yard during the era when I believe
federal employees had separate pensions and did not receive Soc. Sec. benefits.
Does anyone know how to access such records?

Joy Weaver
East Islip, NY

POLAND (Krasnik, Zaklikow, Lublin): Blumberg, Fogiel, Rosenel./
BELARUS (Wisoke-Litovsk, Brest, Grodno): Feinberg, Vilner, Greenberg, Petruskitz,
Deibach.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Federal Pensions #general

Joy Weaver <joyweave@...>
 

One of my uncles worked at the Brooklyn Navy Yard during the era when I believe
federal employees had separate pensions and did not receive Soc. Sec. benefits.
Does anyone know how to access such records?

Joy Weaver
East Islip, NY

POLAND (Krasnik, Zaklikow, Lublin): Blumberg, Fogiel, Rosenel./
BELARUS (Wisoke-Litovsk, Brest, Grodno): Feinberg, Vilner, Greenberg, Petruskitz,
Deibach.


Was your family in London in 1904?? #general

Alice Josephs
 

Was your family in London, England in 1904?

If your family was in London in 1904, please have a look at the wedding photo at

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4033

This is the wedding of Bluma (or Blooma) GOLDMAN 1879-1961 and Philip MARSH
(Pinchus MARCHINSKY) 1880-1975. The couple eventually emigrated to the USA.

But who are the wedding guests? Do you recognize anybody?

The mother of Bluma, Malka GOLDMACHER GOLDMAN and my great grandmother Leah
GOLDMACHER DON were sisters. They were both >from Pultusk, Mazovia, Poland. For
more information on Bluma, Philip and the GOLDMACHER/GOLDMAN/DON family see my
family tree website at

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealice/wc01_039.html

Please contact me privately if your family or anyone you recognize is looking out
at you >from the photo!

Alice Josephs
UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Was your family in London in 1904?? #general

Alice Josephs
 

Was your family in London, England in 1904?

If your family was in London in 1904, please have a look at the wedding photo at

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4033

This is the wedding of Bluma (or Blooma) GOLDMAN 1879-1961 and Philip MARSH
(Pinchus MARCHINSKY) 1880-1975. The couple eventually emigrated to the USA.

But who are the wedding guests? Do you recognize anybody?

The mother of Bluma, Malka GOLDMACHER GOLDMAN and my great grandmother Leah
GOLDMACHER DON were sisters. They were both >from Pultusk, Mazovia, Poland. For
more information on Bluma, Philip and the GOLDMACHER/GOLDMAN/DON family see my
family tree website at

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealice/wc01_039.html

Please contact me privately if your family or anyone you recognize is looking out
at you >from the photo!

Alice Josephs
UK


Rabbi Mordechai Pinchas of Tzfat #rabbinic

philapple@...
 

It has been reported that Leah GHALI, the Jewish wife of Egyptian
diplomat, Butros GHALI (a Coptic Christian), is a granddaughter of
a rabbi named Mordechai Pinchas, who was born in Tzfat (Safed) in
1881.

Leah's parents were Pauline Tzipora Rachel GOLDENBAUM and Chaim
Maurice Hirsh NADLER, European Jews who immigrated to Egypt. Later,
Chaim NADLER became the leading candy manufacturer in Alexandria.

Does anyone out there have any additional information about this
Rabbi Mordechai Pinchas? Was that his full name, or is there an
additional (last) name? How is it that he was born in Eretz Yisrael
and his children immigrated to Egypt >from Europe? Which of the
NADLERs was his child -- Pauline or Chaim?

Thanks.

Phillip Applebaum


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rabbi Mordechai Pinchas of Tzfat #rabbinic

philapple@...
 

It has been reported that Leah GHALI, the Jewish wife of Egyptian
diplomat, Butros GHALI (a Coptic Christian), is a granddaughter of
a rabbi named Mordechai Pinchas, who was born in Tzfat (Safed) in
1881.

Leah's parents were Pauline Tzipora Rachel GOLDENBAUM and Chaim
Maurice Hirsh NADLER, European Jews who immigrated to Egypt. Later,
Chaim NADLER became the leading candy manufacturer in Alexandria.

Does anyone out there have any additional information about this
Rabbi Mordechai Pinchas? Was that his full name, or is there an
additional (last) name? How is it that he was born in Eretz Yisrael
and his children immigrated to Egypt >from Europe? Which of the
NADLERs was his child -- Pauline or Chaim?

Thanks.

Phillip Applebaum