1. main@groups.jewishgen.org
   Date   
Maps Online #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

A new search interface with over 60,000 historic maps is now available
online. It is a joint project between the Great Britain Historical GIS,
Portsmouth University and Klokan Technologies. Current contributors include
the David Rumsey Map Collection, the British Library, the Moravian Library,
the National Library of Scotland and more collections are expected by the
end of 2012 including the New York Public Library, Harvard University and
more.

The website is www.oldmapsonline.org/ This information was originally
posted at: http://tinyurl.com/7zmkkde
original url:
http://genealogy.about.com/b/2012/03/07/old-maps-online-a-new-way-to-locate-historical-maps.htm

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Maps Online #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

A new search interface with over 60,000 historic maps is now available
online. It is a joint project between the Great Britain Historical GIS,
Portsmouth University and Klokan Technologies. Current contributors include
the David Rumsey Map Collection, the British Library, the Moravian Library,
the National Library of Scotland and more collections are expected by the
end of 2012 including the New York Public Library, Harvard University and
more.

The website is www.oldmapsonline.org/ This information was originally
posted at: http://tinyurl.com/7zmkkde
original url:
http://genealogy.about.com/b/2012/03/07/old-maps-online-a-new-way-to-locate-historical-maps.htm

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
Re: Watford Synagogue #unitedkingdom

Snillop47@...
 

May I thank those who responded to my request for information about a
Watford congregation of 1918-1926. This arose >from my finding references to
such a congregation whereas the Jewish Year Book, and JCR-UK, only refer to
the current congregation as being founded in 1946. Since my e-mail I have
done more research and found that between about 1918 and 1946 there were
several short-lived congregations, one in those early years and at least three
during WWII. Thus the present Watford synagogue website that refers to a
congregation having been in existence for a century has some validity
especially as there is continuity in personnel between the wartime congregations
and that of 1946.
Among the contributions to my request I note the reference to the
Methodist Hall. There was one at 91 Queen's Road, Watford, and in addition to
services there was used by the Jewish Social Club.

Harold Pollins
JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Watford Synagogue #unitedkingdom

Snillop47@...
 

May I thank those who responded to my request for information about a
Watford congregation of 1918-1926. This arose >from my finding references to
such a congregation whereas the Jewish Year Book, and JCR-UK, only refer to
the current congregation as being founded in 1946. Since my e-mail I have
done more research and found that between about 1918 and 1946 there were
several short-lived congregations, one in those early years and at least three
during WWII. Thus the present Watford synagogue website that refers to a
congregation having been in existence for a century has some validity
especially as there is continuity in personnel between the wartime congregations
and that of 1946.
Among the contributions to my request I note the reference to the
Methodist Hall. There was one at 91 Queen's Road, Watford, and in addition to
services there was used by the Jewish Social Club.

Harold Pollins
Re: Adopted children on your Family Tree? #general

Irene Newhouse
 

Someone wondered about the view of adoptees on inclusion in family trees.
There are people who have been adopted who are so bitter about the
experience, they've formed organizations to try to ban adoption altogether.
[It's not clear what they think should happen to children whose parents
cannot take care of them]. On the other hand, I personally know adoptees
who view being adopted about the same as most people view the color of
their hair or eyes - it IS. You don't agonize over it.

As an adoptive parent, I know that mainstream adoption agencies urge you
to talk to your child about adoption right >from the start. You are warned
that if you try to keep it a secret, or if you decide to wait until a child
is some arbitrary age before you mention it, you are setting yourself up
for a world of problems.

My husband & I started reading Thomas Mallory's "La Morte d'Arthur"
recently. In one chapter, Arthur learns as a young adult that Sir Ector &
his wife are his foster, not biological, parents. He's devastated. Mallory
died in 1471. So people have been aware of the pitfalls of keeping this
secret for over 500 years. It doesn't give you much hope that it still
comes up as an issue for some adoptive parents.

As family historians, we try to record the facts. We list our sources. We
point out where we have less than proof. So we have to record adoptions
and include the family members, as most of the responses have already been saying.

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Adopted children on your Family Tree? #general

Irene Newhouse
 

Someone wondered about the view of adoptees on inclusion in family trees.
There are people who have been adopted who are so bitter about the
experience, they've formed organizations to try to ban adoption altogether.
[It's not clear what they think should happen to children whose parents
cannot take care of them]. On the other hand, I personally know adoptees
who view being adopted about the same as most people view the color of
their hair or eyes - it IS. You don't agonize over it.

As an adoptive parent, I know that mainstream adoption agencies urge you
to talk to your child about adoption right >from the start. You are warned
that if you try to keep it a secret, or if you decide to wait until a child
is some arbitrary age before you mention it, you are setting yourself up
for a world of problems.

My husband & I started reading Thomas Mallory's "La Morte d'Arthur"
recently. In one chapter, Arthur learns as a young adult that Sir Ector &
his wife are his foster, not biological, parents. He's devastated. Mallory
died in 1471. So people have been aware of the pitfalls of keeping this
secret for over 500 years. It doesn't give you much hope that it still
comes up as an issue for some adoptive parents.

As family historians, we try to record the facts. We list our sources. We
point out where we have less than proof. So we have to record adoptions
and include the family members, as most of the responses have already been saying.

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI
Do you ever leave someone off your tree? #general

A. E. Jordan
 

All the discussion about adopted children got me to thinking about a
broader question of if you ever leave anyone off your tree if they were attached
to the family via some legal or emotional bond?

Maybe it was only a short-term marriage that ended in a divorce / Get?
Maybe they only "lived together" and never married? Or could not marry for
legal reasons? Maybe it was a homosexual partnership or one of the two
was legally still married to someone else or whatever? Maybe she was the
"wicked step-mother" or a late in life second or third or whatever marriage?
Do you ever leave anyone off the tree?

My personal feeling is that it is your tree and you set the rules and do
what you want on it. I however understand and mostly agree with the people
who say that if you are doing this for posterity you need to be inclusive or
some future generation will be left to wonder what was going on.

I also totally agree that an adoptive child should be on the tree because
they are as much of the family as a natural born child. Does any parent
ever love an adoptive child less than a naturally conceived child? Some
adoptives argue it is the other way around because the parents chose to add this
child to their lives.

When I was doing my research I did run across situations where family
members would say "Oh she married again late in life so that does not count."
One woman on my tree I know lost her husband and remarried twice late in
life for brief periods of time. She was buried by her children under her
first husband's name and they said the later marriages were inconsequential.
They did not give me the names of the second and third husbands for that reason.

I know of situations were the parents totally disowned a child in some cases
even taking legal steps to do so in life and writing them out of the wills
in death.

I know another situation where a man remarried late in life after his wife
of 50 years died. The second wife was the age of his daughter and seems to
have been mostly a companion so he did not live alone. After his death the
second wife was downright evil to the family. The family does not consider
her a "wife" and leaves her off the tree.

This is a stylistic question or maybe a moral issue as opposed to a right
vs. wrong in my eyes. It's your tree do as you wish ... now I will be
curious to see how everyone else responds.

Allan Jordan
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Do you ever leave someone off your tree? #general

A. E. Jordan
 

All the discussion about adopted children got me to thinking about a
broader question of if you ever leave anyone off your tree if they were attached
to the family via some legal or emotional bond?

Maybe it was only a short-term marriage that ended in a divorce / Get?
Maybe they only "lived together" and never married? Or could not marry for
legal reasons? Maybe it was a homosexual partnership or one of the two
was legally still married to someone else or whatever? Maybe she was the
"wicked step-mother" or a late in life second or third or whatever marriage?
Do you ever leave anyone off the tree?

My personal feeling is that it is your tree and you set the rules and do
what you want on it. I however understand and mostly agree with the people
who say that if you are doing this for posterity you need to be inclusive or
some future generation will be left to wonder what was going on.

I also totally agree that an adoptive child should be on the tree because
they are as much of the family as a natural born child. Does any parent
ever love an adoptive child less than a naturally conceived child? Some
adoptives argue it is the other way around because the parents chose to add this
child to their lives.

When I was doing my research I did run across situations where family
members would say "Oh she married again late in life so that does not count."
One woman on my tree I know lost her husband and remarried twice late in
life for brief periods of time. She was buried by her children under her
first husband's name and they said the later marriages were inconsequential.
They did not give me the names of the second and third husbands for that reason.

I know of situations were the parents totally disowned a child in some cases
even taking legal steps to do so in life and writing them out of the wills
in death.

I know another situation where a man remarried late in life after his wife
of 50 years died. The second wife was the age of his daughter and seems to
have been mostly a companion so he did not live alone. After his death the
second wife was downright evil to the family. The family does not consider
her a "wife" and leaves her off the tree.

This is a stylistic question or maybe a moral issue as opposed to a right
vs. wrong in my eyes. It's your tree do as you wish ... now I will be
curious to see how everyone else responds.

Allan Jordan
Kirovohrad, Ukraine #ukraine

Ronf404
 

Fellow SIGers,

I will be creating a KelilaLinks page for current-day Kirovohrad,
Ukraine (Formerly Elizabethgrad, Kherson Gubernia). I am soliciting
family stories, photos, etc., relating to life in Kirovohrad. Please
send any relevant information to me at the e-mail or snail mail
addresses below. Do not send info to this list.

Please comply with KehilaLinks guidelines and do not send Yizkor Book
information.

My paternal family (Fisch) originated in Elizabethgrad.

Sincerely,

Ron Fish
P.O. Box 4
Circleville, NY 10919-0004
ronf404@aol.com
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Kirovohrad, Ukraine #ukraine

Ronf404
 

Fellow SIGers,

I will be creating a KelilaLinks page for current-day Kirovohrad,
Ukraine (Formerly Elizabethgrad, Kherson Gubernia). I am soliciting
family stories, photos, etc., relating to life in Kirovohrad. Please
send any relevant information to me at the e-mail or snail mail
addresses below. Do not send info to this list.

Please comply with KehilaLinks guidelines and do not send Yizkor Book
information.

My paternal family (Fisch) originated in Elizabethgrad.

Sincerely,

Ron Fish
P.O. Box 4
Circleville, NY 10919-0004
ronf404@aol.com
Glabman/Gliebman Novomirgorod-Zlatopol #ukraine

Sandy Starkman
 

I am looking for any information you can share about Novomirgorod and
Zlatapol in the recent few years, as my grandmother Esther Glabman
Starkman ( d 1968) was born and raised there. Would appreciate any
first hand accounts- anything to see like a Synagogue or Jewish
cemetery. Any Jews left in either place?

I am also looking for any connections to her family. Esther
Glabman, born around 1890 and her twin brother Max , had siblings,
Rachel, Frieda/Fanny (youngest) , Morton, Morris, Isadore b 1891 ,
David ( died as an infant in Ukraine) - their parents were Isaiah,
who never left, and Chana who came eventually to Chicago with all
the children except David, though arriving at different times- I
have heard of Margolis cousins perhaps >from Ekaterinaslav or
Elizavetgrad, but know only all ( as of 15 yrs ago) of the
descendants of Isaiah and Chana-

Anybody have information to share? Many of the first and second
generation of Glabmans remained in Chicago, but many went to
California, some to North Carolina, and I'm sure are now spread all
over-

Thanks, Sandy Starkman Chicago IL starsky613@gmail.com
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Glabman/Gliebman Novomirgorod-Zlatopol #ukraine

Sandy Starkman
 

I am looking for any information you can share about Novomirgorod and
Zlatapol in the recent few years, as my grandmother Esther Glabman
Starkman ( d 1968) was born and raised there. Would appreciate any
first hand accounts- anything to see like a Synagogue or Jewish
cemetery. Any Jews left in either place?

I am also looking for any connections to her family. Esther
Glabman, born around 1890 and her twin brother Max , had siblings,
Rachel, Frieda/Fanny (youngest) , Morton, Morris, Isadore b 1891 ,
David ( died as an infant in Ukraine) - their parents were Isaiah,
who never left, and Chana who came eventually to Chicago with all
the children except David, though arriving at different times- I
have heard of Margolis cousins perhaps >from Ekaterinaslav or
Elizavetgrad, but know only all ( as of 15 yrs ago) of the
descendants of Isaiah and Chana-

Anybody have information to share? Many of the first and second
generation of Glabmans remained in Chicago, but many went to
California, some to North Carolina, and I'm sure are now spread all
over-

Thanks, Sandy Starkman Chicago IL starsky613@gmail.com
Re: Given name anglicized to "Leonora" from ?? #germany

Ury Link
 

Dear Genners

In Germany (and in other countries) in the 19 and the 20 century was
the custom that a name was change to a German name with is beginning
with the same character . You asked if the name Leonora derived >from Leie,
Seie or Gittel. In my opinion I think that the name get out >from the name
that you have read as Leie that like on the name Lea. Seie is not a name
as I know. And the begin letter of Lea is a L and Leonora also so you
can said the Leie (Lea) is the source for Leonora Best regards

Ury Link, Amsterdam, Holland uryl@xs4all.nl
German SIG #Germany Re: Given name anglicized to "Leonora" from ?? #germany

Ury Link
 

Dear Genners

In Germany (and in other countries) in the 19 and the 20 century was
the custom that a name was change to a German name with is beginning
with the same character . You asked if the name Leonora derived >from Leie,
Seie or Gittel. In my opinion I think that the name get out >from the name
that you have read as Leie that like on the name Lea. Seie is not a name
as I know. And the begin letter of Lea is a L and Leonora also so you
can said the Leie (Lea) is the source for Leonora Best regards

Ury Link, Amsterdam, Holland uryl@xs4all.nl
Re: Personal name Leonora and RICH family #germany

Jim Bennett
 

Jeff Lewy queried about the European origins of the name " Leonora."

He mentioned a list of names that included "Leie". Leie/Leah/Lea, etc is
the ancient Hebrew name given to this woman at birth, and at some point in
her life she adopted Leonora as a "modern" name, either in Posen Province,
Prussia or in America. Leonora was used widely in Germany in the 19th
century, and in America. I have many in my family.

RICH is an anglicized version [90% probability] of REICH. RICH was not
used in Germany.

Jim Bennett Haifa myrnabennett@013net.net
German SIG #Germany Re: Personal name Leonora and RICH family #germany

Jim Bennett
 

Jeff Lewy queried about the European origins of the name " Leonora."

He mentioned a list of names that included "Leie". Leie/Leah/Lea, etc is
the ancient Hebrew name given to this woman at birth, and at some point in
her life she adopted Leonora as a "modern" name, either in Posen Province,
Prussia or in America. Leonora was used widely in Germany in the 19th
century, and in America. I have many in my family.

RICH is an anglicized version [90% probability] of REICH. RICH was not
used in Germany.

Jim Bennett Haifa myrnabennett@013net.net
Seeking 2 daughters of Leopold and Johanna BARMANN KARLSBERG #germany

John Paul Lowens <jplowens@...>
 

With the help of GerSIG's great friend Fritz Neubauer, I just
discovered the Memorial Book entries for a cousin and her husband who were
murdered in the Shoah.

Mr. Neubauer recently posted a message with a link to the search page
for the On Line "Memorial Book for Victims of the Holocaust by the
German Federal Archives"

http://www.bundesarchiv.de/gedenkbuch/directory.html

Using the search tool, I located previously unknown information about
Johanna BARMANN - b. Aug 06, 1885 in Erbenheim (now Wiesbaden) Hessen
to Selig BARMANN and Bertha nee LOEWENSTEIN BARMANN.

from the Memorial Book, I learned that her husband was
Leopold KARLSBERG, b. Jun 05, 1882 in "Fraenkisch-Crumbach/Dieburg/Hessen"

http://www.bundesarchiv.de/gedenkbuch/directory.html.en?id=893842&;submit=1&page=1&maxview=50&offset=0

The Memorial Book also lists a Moses and a Max KARLSBERG with the same
birth place, probably brothers of Leopold.

My father told me that his cousin Johanna nee BARMANN and her husband
had been victims of the Shoah. When I found them listed in the
Memorial Book I checked my notes >from 1978 to refresh my memory.

Those notes say that Leopold and Johanna KARLSBERG had two daughters
who "got out" of Germany during the 1930s.

The name KARLSBERG is new to my research. My father didn't remember
the name of his older cousin's husband. Further, I made a data entry
error years ago causing me to believe that the two KARLSBERG daughters
were also victims of the Shoah. My review of the data today has given me
hope of finding 2 "new" surviving second cousins and possibly their descendants.

The KARLSBERG daughters were probably born circa 1905 -1915 and left
Germany, probably for the USA, circa 1936-1938. Likely birthplaces
would be Darmstadt >from where their parents were deported or elsewhere
near Fraenkisch (Frankisch a umlaut) - Crumbach / Dieburg / Hessen where
their father was born.

In the USA they might have settled in the Washington Heights
neighborhood in northern Manhattan (New York City) where they had several
aunts, uncles and cousins. Those family names were STRAUSS, KUHN, KRUG,
BLOCH, ADLER, BLOOM and WINKELSTEIN. I am interested in any of the above
families known to be related to BARMANN >from near Wiesbaden and emigrated
to New York

I'm sending this inquiry to the Forum for a few reasons:

1. To remind all GerSIG readers to use the On Line "Memorial Book for
Victims of the Holocaust by the German Federal Archives" and
check it for newly entered data >from time to time.

2. To enter the name of my newly discovered cousin-in-law and his
daughters in our archive and initiate a search for more information
about them. This message is like what Google calls an "I'm feeling lucky"
search. I haven't yet searched Yad Vashem pages or other sources.
I did find that a mutual cousin has an entry in the JGFF for KARLSBERG
>from that town but have not been able to contact him.

3. For help regarding the Memorial Book description of the town.
I find Fraenkisch (a umlaut) Crumbach in Hessen but don't understand why
"Dieburg" is included in the town name in the database. There is a Dieburg
in Hessen but according to JewishGen it isn't close to Fraenkisch-Crumbach.

Any information will be appreciated, including data about the
KARLSBERG family in "Fraenkisch - Crumbach / Dieburg / Hessen"

John Paul Lowens, Suburban NYC JPLowens@gmail.com (jpl25@Cornell.edu)
German SIG #Germany Seeking 2 daughters of Leopold and Johanna BARMANN KARLSBERG #germany

John Paul Lowens <jplowens@...>
 

With the help of GerSIG's great friend Fritz Neubauer, I just
discovered the Memorial Book entries for a cousin and her husband who were
murdered in the Shoah.

Mr. Neubauer recently posted a message with a link to the search page
for the On Line "Memorial Book for Victims of the Holocaust by the
German Federal Archives"

http://www.bundesarchiv.de/gedenkbuch/directory.html

Using the search tool, I located previously unknown information about
Johanna BARMANN - b. Aug 06, 1885 in Erbenheim (now Wiesbaden) Hessen
to Selig BARMANN and Bertha nee LOEWENSTEIN BARMANN.

from the Memorial Book, I learned that her husband was
Leopold KARLSBERG, b. Jun 05, 1882 in "Fraenkisch-Crumbach/Dieburg/Hessen"

http://www.bundesarchiv.de/gedenkbuch/directory.html.en?id=893842&;submit=1&page=1&maxview=50&offset=0

The Memorial Book also lists a Moses and a Max KARLSBERG with the same
birth place, probably brothers of Leopold.

My father told me that his cousin Johanna nee BARMANN and her husband
had been victims of the Shoah. When I found them listed in the
Memorial Book I checked my notes >from 1978 to refresh my memory.

Those notes say that Leopold and Johanna KARLSBERG had two daughters
who "got out" of Germany during the 1930s.

The name KARLSBERG is new to my research. My father didn't remember
the name of his older cousin's husband. Further, I made a data entry
error years ago causing me to believe that the two KARLSBERG daughters
were also victims of the Shoah. My review of the data today has given me
hope of finding 2 "new" surviving second cousins and possibly their descendants.

The KARLSBERG daughters were probably born circa 1905 -1915 and left
Germany, probably for the USA, circa 1936-1938. Likely birthplaces
would be Darmstadt >from where their parents were deported or elsewhere
near Fraenkisch (Frankisch a umlaut) - Crumbach / Dieburg / Hessen where
their father was born.

In the USA they might have settled in the Washington Heights
neighborhood in northern Manhattan (New York City) where they had several
aunts, uncles and cousins. Those family names were STRAUSS, KUHN, KRUG,
BLOCH, ADLER, BLOOM and WINKELSTEIN. I am interested in any of the above
families known to be related to BARMANN >from near Wiesbaden and emigrated
to New York

I'm sending this inquiry to the Forum for a few reasons:

1. To remind all GerSIG readers to use the On Line "Memorial Book for
Victims of the Holocaust by the German Federal Archives" and
check it for newly entered data >from time to time.

2. To enter the name of my newly discovered cousin-in-law and his
daughters in our archive and initiate a search for more information
about them. This message is like what Google calls an "I'm feeling lucky"
search. I haven't yet searched Yad Vashem pages or other sources.
I did find that a mutual cousin has an entry in the JGFF for KARLSBERG
>from that town but have not been able to contact him.

3. For help regarding the Memorial Book description of the town.
I find Fraenkisch (a umlaut) Crumbach in Hessen but don't understand why
"Dieburg" is included in the town name in the database. There is a Dieburg
in Hessen but according to JewishGen it isn't close to Fraenkisch-Crumbach.

Any information will be appreciated, including data about the
KARLSBERG family in "Fraenkisch - Crumbach / Dieburg / Hessen"

John Paul Lowens, Suburban NYC JPLowens@gmail.com (jpl25@Cornell.edu)
up to date map of Zamosc #poland

B Shaw <b848ear@...>
 

I'm hoping someone can help me. I'm looking for an up to date map of
Zamosc which includes where the former Jewish cemeteries and synagogues
were on this map. If anyone has such a map that they might be able to
email me, or can direct me to a particular website that includes all of
the above, I look forward to hearing >from you.

thank you,
Bea Shiel (England)
JRI Poland #Poland up to date map of Zamosc #poland

B Shaw <b848ear@...>
 

I'm hoping someone can help me. I'm looking for an up to date map of
Zamosc which includes where the former Jewish cemeteries and synagogues
were on this map. If anyone has such a map that they might be able to
email me, or can direct me to a particular website that includes all of
the above, I look forward to hearing >from you.

thank you,
Bea Shiel (England)
159541 - 159560 of 654716  
More
Home Guidelines Messages Hashtags Subgroups Wiki Terms