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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Ukrainian (Zvenigorodka) BMD records #ukraine

Flo Elman
 

Dear Ukraine SIG Membership,

After the recent 2004 Jerusalem, rumours abounded about the sudden cessation
of our most current translation projects. The status has indeed changed, were indeed correct, but the circumstances are not as reported.

I've received many inquiries about the status of the Zvenigorodka BMD
records which were to be translated & uploaded (ie: names & years only).
Rather than have the issue misunderstood, I would like to update you on
circumstances.

The Ukraine Archives has refused permission for us to put any of the
microfilmed data online as they say it is their property. The only way for
you to get records >from them at the moment is to make an inquiry at the
appropriate archives. I understand that they have arranged with unaffiliated individuals who will check through the archives for your documents at a cost. (I can't vouch for any expenses which you will
have to incur.) All our projects have been temporarily halted, but this
needn't be the case.

We have over 1465 members in our SIG!! Surely many of you have access to
other sources of Ukrainian data that will be of help to our members. I've
mentioned before that the historic Vedemostie Russian newspapers carry a
great deal of information. If you are near a major library or source of
Eastern European information, I need your assistance to find any & all
useful data, & initiate projects on your own. Our Russian speakers are vital
to us in this effort. I've said it before ... we're only as successful as
our member participation is whole-hearted.

I need your help; you want to see facts on our site that will advance your
genealogy. It would be most productive if our members started special interest group by contacting members who are
researching the same town. Organize a research group to work on projects.
Get going & TAKE PART!!

Thanks, & let's look forward to moving on -
Florence Elman
Ukraine SIG Coordinator
haflo@...


FINKELSTEIN in Washington DC #general

Paul Silverstone <paulh@...>
 

If anyone has any knowledge of Isaac (Itzie) FINKELSTEIN, who lived in
Washington, DC., I would be interested to learn of it. He was probably
born in the 1870s-1880s, in or near Shumsk, Volin Gubernia (Volhynia),
now in Ukraine. He had a brother Peter in Minneapolis.

Paul Silverstone
New York
please reply to paulh@...


ViewMate Translation from Yiddish to English #general

Kevin Hanit <klh44@...>
 

Hello,

I am in need of a translation >from Yiddish to English of a description on
the back of picture that was written by
my cousin, Eliezer ROTFOGEL to his Uncle (My Great Grandfather) in Toronto.

Here is a direct link to the ViewMate Posting of this letter:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4465

Please reply privately to me at klh44@....

Thanks,
Kevin Hanit
Concord, ON Canada

Searching for: ABELOVICH (Derechin to Canada, Israel, New York and Argentina),
PARELMAN & PAREPLOTCHIK (Baranovichi to New York & Yarmouth, NS), KLETSKIN,
LEVITT, HOROWITZ, STOLAR (Baranovichi to Israel), GERCHICOF (Kyiv, Canada),
ROTFOGEL (Kielce or Lagow, Poland to Canada and USA, Lodz to Israel),
SPIEGEL (Kielce or Lagow, Poland to Canada and Philadelphia, PA)


Ukrainian (Zvenigorodka) BMD records #ukraine

Flo Elman
 

Dear Ukraine SIG Membership,

After the recent 2004 Jerusalem, rumours abounded about the sudden cessation
of our most current translation projects. The status has indeed changed, were indeed correct, but the circumstances are not as reported.

I've received many inquiries about the status of the Zvenigorodka BMD
records which were to be translated & uploaded (ie: names & years only).
Rather than have the issue misunderstood, I would like to update you on
circumstances.

The Ukraine Archives has refused permission for us to put any of the
microfilmed data online as they say it is their property. The only way for
you to get records >from them at the moment is to make an inquiry at the
appropriate archives. I understand that they have arranged with unaffiliated individuals who will check through the archives for your documents at a cost. (I can't vouch for any expenses which you will
have to incur.) All our projects have been temporarily halted, but this
needn't be the case.

We have over 1465 members in our SIG!! Surely many of you have access to
other sources of Ukrainian data that will be of help to our members. I've
mentioned before that the historic Vedemostie Russian newspapers carry a
great deal of information. If you are near a major library or source of
Eastern European information, I need your assistance to find any & all
useful data, & initiate projects on your own. Our Russian speakers are vital
to us in this effort. I've said it before ... we're only as successful as
our member participation is whole-hearted.

I need your help; you want to see facts on our site that will advance your
genealogy. It would be most productive if our members started special interest group by contacting members who are
researching the same town. Organize a research group to work on projects.
Get going & TAKE PART!!

Thanks, & let's look forward to moving on -
Florence Elman
Ukraine SIG Coordinator
haflo@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate Translation from Yiddish to English #general

Kevin Hanit <klh44@...>
 

Hello,

I am in need of a translation >from Yiddish to English of a description on
the back of picture that was written by
my cousin, Eliezer ROTFOGEL to his Uncle (My Great Grandfather) in Toronto.

Here is a direct link to the ViewMate Posting of this letter:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4465

Please reply privately to me at klh44@....

Thanks,
Kevin Hanit
Concord, ON Canada

Searching for: ABELOVICH (Derechin to Canada, Israel, New York and Argentina),
PARELMAN & PAREPLOTCHIK (Baranovichi to New York & Yarmouth, NS), KLETSKIN,
LEVITT, HOROWITZ, STOLAR (Baranovichi to Israel), GERCHICOF (Kyiv, Canada),
ROTFOGEL (Kielce or Lagow, Poland to Canada and USA, Lodz to Israel),
SPIEGEL (Kielce or Lagow, Poland to Canada and Philadelphia, PA)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FINKELSTEIN in Washington DC #general

Paul Silverstone <paulh@...>
 

If anyone has any knowledge of Isaac (Itzie) FINKELSTEIN, who lived in
Washington, DC., I would be interested to learn of it. He was probably
born in the 1870s-1880s, in or near Shumsk, Volin Gubernia (Volhynia),
now in Ukraine. He had a brother Peter in Minneapolis.

Paul Silverstone
New York
please reply to paulh@...


Puerto Rico in US Census #general

Chuck Weinstein <cmw521@...>
 

It is even more unlikely that Puerto Rico would have been included in the
1890 census than was suggested; Puerto Rico was a colony of Spain until
1898, when the US took it as a prize following the Spanish American War.

Part of the study of genealogy must necessarily involve an understanding of
history, and more specifically, the history of the area you are researching.
There have been many posts on this and other forums within JewishGen that
indicate a lack of understanding of the fact that Poland ceased to exist as
a separate country in 1795 and did not exist again until 1919; that Russia
included large areas that today are other sovereign nations, or that the map
of Europe was completely redrawn in 1919 and again in 1945, moving borders
and creating new countries where none had existed before. The same process
was then repeated on a more limited scale in the 1990's.

If you are going to be a student of genealogy, you need to also be a student
of history. The lives of our ancestors were not lived in a vacuum; they
were profoundly affected by the political winds that swirled around them.

Chuck Weinstein in Commack, NY
cmw521@...


Re: Puerto Rico in U. S. Census #general

Dick Plotz <Dick@...>
 

Joel Stearman <dpastear@...> wrote:

Steve Abrams wrote:

Does anyone know if Puerto Rico is included in the 1890 or 1900 U.S.
Census even though it is not one of the 50 states.
Steve, and others:

Puerto Rico was not included in the 1900 Census. The 1890 Census population
schedules were badly damaged by fire in the Dept. of Commerce Bldg. in DC in
January 1921. It is unlikely that Puerto Rico would have been included in the
enumeration, when one considers that PR was not included in the 1900 Census.

Joel Stearman
Potomac, MD
Volunteer Genalogy Aide, NARA, DC
It would be remarkable indeed if Puerto Rico had been included in the 1890
US Census, since Puerto Rico belonged to Spain until 1898.

Puerto Rico has been included in the US Census since 1910.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Puerto Rico in U. S. Census #general

Dick Plotz <Dick@...>
 

Joel Stearman <dpastear@...> wrote:

Steve Abrams wrote:

Does anyone know if Puerto Rico is included in the 1890 or 1900 U.S.
Census even though it is not one of the 50 states.
Steve, and others:

Puerto Rico was not included in the 1900 Census. The 1890 Census population
schedules were badly damaged by fire in the Dept. of Commerce Bldg. in DC in
January 1921. It is unlikely that Puerto Rico would have been included in the
enumeration, when one considers that PR was not included in the 1900 Census.

Joel Stearman
Potomac, MD
Volunteer Genalogy Aide, NARA, DC
It would be remarkable indeed if Puerto Rico had been included in the 1890
US Census, since Puerto Rico belonged to Spain until 1898.

Puerto Rico has been included in the US Census since 1910.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Puerto Rico in US Census #general

Chuck Weinstein <cmw521@...>
 

It is even more unlikely that Puerto Rico would have been included in the
1890 census than was suggested; Puerto Rico was a colony of Spain until
1898, when the US took it as a prize following the Spanish American War.

Part of the study of genealogy must necessarily involve an understanding of
history, and more specifically, the history of the area you are researching.
There have been many posts on this and other forums within JewishGen that
indicate a lack of understanding of the fact that Poland ceased to exist as
a separate country in 1795 and did not exist again until 1919; that Russia
included large areas that today are other sovereign nations, or that the map
of Europe was completely redrawn in 1919 and again in 1945, moving borders
and creating new countries where none had existed before. The same process
was then repeated on a more limited scale in the 1990's.

If you are going to be a student of genealogy, you need to also be a student
of history. The lives of our ancestors were not lived in a vacuum; they
were profoundly affected by the political winds that swirled around them.

Chuck Weinstein in Commack, NY
cmw521@...


Re: Puerto Rico in U. S. Census #general

Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
 

Steve -

The US Census did not include Puerto Rico until
the 1910.

----- Original Message -----
Does anyone know if Puerto Rico is included in the 1890 or 1900 U.S.
Census even though it is not one of the 50 states.
Steve Abrams,CPA
Lake Balboa, CA
sabramscpa@...


Re: Puerto Rico in U. S. Census #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:52:11 UTC, sabramscpa@... (Steve Abrams)
opined:
Does anyone know if Puerto Rico is included in the 1890 or 1900 U.S.
Census even though it is not one of the 50 states.
As Puerto Rico was ceded to the United States only in 1898, and in 1890
still belonged to the Spanish Crown, it was not included in the US census of
that year.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Puerto Rico in U. S. Census #general

Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
 

Steve -

The US Census did not include Puerto Rico until
the 1910.

----- Original Message -----
Does anyone know if Puerto Rico is included in the 1890 or 1900 U.S.
Census even though it is not one of the 50 states.
Steve Abrams,CPA
Lake Balboa, CA
sabramscpa@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Puerto Rico in U. S. Census #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:52:11 UTC, sabramscpa@... (Steve Abrams)
opined:
Does anyone know if Puerto Rico is included in the 1890 or 1900 U.S.
Census even though it is not one of the 50 states.
As Puerto Rico was ceded to the United States only in 1898, and in 1890
still belonged to the Spanish Crown, it was not included in the US census of
that year.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


Methods of making changes in your subscriptions will change #germany

GerSig@...
 

I have just been informed that our hosts at JewishGen will soon be changing the
system that manages all list subscriptions including GerSig.

One important change will take effect with the new system:

List MODERATORS will **** not **** be able to make changes in your
subscriptions for you after the new system goes into effect.

*** all *** changes in subscriptions - email address changes, changes from
"mail" to "digest" or to "no mail" (vacation) mode will have to be made by the
subscribers themselves using a new JewishGen webform.

If you are considering making any changes at this time and would like help
from your Moderator please let me know soon. Once the new system is in force
I will not be able to help you.

John Paul Lowens - GerSig Coordinator GerSig@...


German SIG #Germany Methods of making changes in your subscriptions will change #germany

GerSig@...
 

I have just been informed that our hosts at JewishGen will soon be changing the
system that manages all list subscriptions including GerSig.

One important change will take effect with the new system:

List MODERATORS will **** not **** be able to make changes in your
subscriptions for you after the new system goes into effect.

*** all *** changes in subscriptions - email address changes, changes from
"mail" to "digest" or to "no mail" (vacation) mode will have to be made by the
subscribers themselves using a new JewishGen webform.

If you are considering making any changes at this time and would like help
from your Moderator please let me know soon. Once the new system is in force
I will not be able to help you.

John Paul Lowens - GerSig Coordinator GerSig@...


Zaleshchiki records from the State Archive of Ternopol Oblast #general

m.steinberg@...
 

Hello All,

Today I looked at Miriam Weiner's website ( http://www.rtrfoundation.org/ ) and
searched for records for the town of Zaleshchiki, (Galicia, then Poland, now
Ukraine, 48°38´ 25°44).

The website describes the records as follows:

-1924-1937 Kehal/Jewish Com

-1927-1928 School Records

-1871-1879; 1882-1902; 1939 Notary Records
.
-1937 Local Government

and indicates that they are all located at the "State Archive of Ternopol Oblast".

Does anyone know how I might access these records?

Would indexing of these records qualify for inclusion in any existing projects,
formal or informal?


All the best,
Moshe Steinberg,(Uchanie Town Leader, Zamosc Archives Project & Uchanie Shtetl
CO-OP Coordinator)
Vancouver, Canada

SANG, NAGLER, FISCHER (FISZER), HELMAN Zaleshchiki, Borszczow: (Galicia, then
Poland, now Ukraine), New York City, Israel WAGNER, ADLER, EDER Jezierzany,
Grabowce, Pilatkowce, Czarnokonce and Losiacz: (Galicia, then Poland, now Ukraine)
STEINBERG, GLAZER, HUDES Hrubieszow, Lublin, Uchanie (Poland), Montreal,
California, Iowa GRANIRER (GRANIERER), SALCMAN, ARONOWICZ, KRONENFELD, FUHRMAN,
GOLDSCMIDT, SANDLER Czernowitz, Israel

MODERATOR NOTE: Suggestions for JewishGen projects should be sent
to the Support Desk at <support@...>.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Zaleshchiki records from the State Archive of Ternopol Oblast #general

m.steinberg@...
 

Hello All,

Today I looked at Miriam Weiner's website ( http://www.rtrfoundation.org/ ) and
searched for records for the town of Zaleshchiki, (Galicia, then Poland, now
Ukraine, 48°38´ 25°44).

The website describes the records as follows:

-1924-1937 Kehal/Jewish Com

-1927-1928 School Records

-1871-1879; 1882-1902; 1939 Notary Records
.
-1937 Local Government

and indicates that they are all located at the "State Archive of Ternopol Oblast".

Does anyone know how I might access these records?

Would indexing of these records qualify for inclusion in any existing projects,
formal or informal?


All the best,
Moshe Steinberg,(Uchanie Town Leader, Zamosc Archives Project & Uchanie Shtetl
CO-OP Coordinator)
Vancouver, Canada

SANG, NAGLER, FISCHER (FISZER), HELMAN Zaleshchiki, Borszczow: (Galicia, then
Poland, now Ukraine), New York City, Israel WAGNER, ADLER, EDER Jezierzany,
Grabowce, Pilatkowce, Czarnokonce and Losiacz: (Galicia, then Poland, now Ukraine)
STEINBERG, GLAZER, HUDES Hrubieszow, Lublin, Uchanie (Poland), Montreal,
California, Iowa GRANIRER (GRANIERER), SALCMAN, ARONOWICZ, KRONENFELD, FUHRMAN,
GOLDSCMIDT, SANDLER Czernowitz, Israel

MODERATOR NOTE: Suggestions for JewishGen projects should be sent
to the Support Desk at <support@...>.


Kohen / Levite status is dangerous for a genealogist?? #general

J Schamroth <jscham@...>
 

Now that the dust has settled and many viewers have expressed their opinion
on this topic, I would to make a few final comments.

Mr Bernet did not dismiss the recording of Kohen/Levite status out of hand.
He did qualify his statement, and it was remiss of me not to have quoted his
comments in full. It turns out that Mr Bernet and I are not sitting on
opposite sides of the fence, as we both agree that >from a genealogical point
of view, knowlege of Kohen/Levite status is certainly of importance *provided*
that it is used in conjunction with other data.

Furthermore, we both agree that linking Kohen/Levite status to a specific
geographic location adds much more certainty and reliablility to a search
for common ancestors. Thus two individuals sharing a common surname, a
common 'tribal' status, plus a common Shtetl are likely to be related. The
TribeFinder program at www.shoreshim.org provides such a tribal/shtetl link
and can be of value to a genealogist.

Several readers on this Forum mistakenly believe the Kohen or Levite to be
one of the 12 tribes of Israel. (There were actually thirteen tribes since
the single tribe of Yosef gave rise to the two tribes of Efraim and
Menashe). In fact, only 'Levi' is a true tribe, whereas 'Yisrael' comprises
all the other tribes. This topic is discussed on the TribeFinder page.

J Schamroth
(Jerusalem)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kohen / Levite status is dangerous for a genealogist?? #general

J Schamroth <jscham@...>
 

Now that the dust has settled and many viewers have expressed their opinion
on this topic, I would to make a few final comments.

Mr Bernet did not dismiss the recording of Kohen/Levite status out of hand.
He did qualify his statement, and it was remiss of me not to have quoted his
comments in full. It turns out that Mr Bernet and I are not sitting on
opposite sides of the fence, as we both agree that >from a genealogical point
of view, knowlege of Kohen/Levite status is certainly of importance *provided*
that it is used in conjunction with other data.

Furthermore, we both agree that linking Kohen/Levite status to a specific
geographic location adds much more certainty and reliablility to a search
for common ancestors. Thus two individuals sharing a common surname, a
common 'tribal' status, plus a common Shtetl are likely to be related. The
TribeFinder program at www.shoreshim.org provides such a tribal/shtetl link
and can be of value to a genealogist.

Several readers on this Forum mistakenly believe the Kohen or Levite to be
one of the 12 tribes of Israel. (There were actually thirteen tribes since
the single tribe of Yosef gave rise to the two tribes of Efraim and
Menashe). In fact, only 'Levi' is a true tribe, whereas 'Yisrael' comprises
all the other tribes. This topic is discussed on the TribeFinder page.

J Schamroth
(Jerusalem)