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Fed. of East European Family History Societies: Upcoming conference #ukraine

Bruce Reisch <bir1@...>
 

The Federation of East European Family History Societies (an
organization that "promotes family research in eastern and central
Europe without any ethnic, religious, or social distinctions") will
be holding its annual International Conference in Detroit, Michigan,
October 1-3, 2004. The schedule includes several talks of a general
nature, and others specifically relevant to Jewish genealogy, that
should be of great interest to numerous readers of this list.

For complete information on the conference, see the FEEFHS web site at:

http://www.feefhs.org/

Bruce Reisch
Geneva, New York
--
RADAUTZ: http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/radauti/radautz.html
SADGURA: http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/sadgura/sadgura.html
Researching: REISCH, SCHECHTER, FEUERSTEIN - Sadgura, Bukowina, Ukraine
SCHACHTER, BRUCKER/BRUKER, HALPERN, HELLMANN - Radauti and Solca,
Bukowina, Romania
WEISSMAN - Brody, Galicia, Ukraine SCHACHTER, HELLMANN - Okup, Ukraine
WEINTRAUB - Lublin & Zamosc, Poland


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Fed. of East European Family History Societies: Upcoming conference #ukraine

Bruce Reisch <bir1@...>
 

The Federation of East European Family History Societies (an
organization that "promotes family research in eastern and central
Europe without any ethnic, religious, or social distinctions") will
be holding its annual International Conference in Detroit, Michigan,
October 1-3, 2004. The schedule includes several talks of a general
nature, and others specifically relevant to Jewish genealogy, that
should be of great interest to numerous readers of this list.

For complete information on the conference, see the FEEFHS web site at:

http://www.feefhs.org/

Bruce Reisch
Geneva, New York
--
RADAUTZ: http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/radauti/radautz.html
SADGURA: http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/sadgura/sadgura.html
Researching: REISCH, SCHECHTER, FEUERSTEIN - Sadgura, Bukowina, Ukraine
SCHACHTER, BRUCKER/BRUKER, HALPERN, HELLMANN - Radauti and Solca,
Bukowina, Romania
WEISSMAN - Brody, Galicia, Ukraine SCHACHTER, HELLMANN - Okup, Ukraine
WEINTRAUB - Lublin & Zamosc, Poland


Re: Surname selection #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 8/20/2004 6:05:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
zen28027@zen.co.uk writes:

In the USA melting pot a non-European suffix was acceptable but in England
much less so. I find that one can very often follow the metamorphosis >from say
Polish to English surname - eg by straight translation of a trade-based surname
- but occasionally a new surname seems to plucked out of the air making
research in the country of origin even more problematical.

==The phrase "melting pot" was devised by Israel Zangwill, the British (and
British-born) Jewish author of "Children of the Ghetto." But he used the term
in reference to the USA. Britain was (certainly in my days there, 1938-1955)
much less accepting of things foreign, >from names to dress, to food and
language.

Among the name changes I'm familiar with there, these stick in my memory
Ichenhauser to Ingram
Schwarzwald to Sherwood
Cohen to Caine
? to Kennedy
? to Montgomery
Koenigshoefer to Kaye
Schajowitz to Sheldon
Osterman to Austin

The last gave rise to a game I used to play with my friends. We knew that the
French Citroen car was named after its Jewish founder, Citronenbaum. Now we
understand that the British Austin automobile must have been named after a
Jew, Osterman. Hence the Austen-Siddley car was named after Aaron Sidlewitz, the
Rolls Royce after Raphael Rottenberg, the Bentley after Bernstein, the Morris
after Moishe (obvious! what else?), the Vauxhall after Volksmann, the Rover
after Reuven, and so on. The game was who was the first to "recognize" the
Jewish name of every car we wncountered on our walk home >from schul. There were
probably at least 30 British brands at the time

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Surname selection #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 8/20/2004 6:05:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
zen28027@zen.co.uk writes:

In the USA melting pot a non-European suffix was acceptable but in England
much less so. I find that one can very often follow the metamorphosis >from say
Polish to English surname - eg by straight translation of a trade-based surname
- but occasionally a new surname seems to plucked out of the air making
research in the country of origin even more problematical.

==The phrase "melting pot" was devised by Israel Zangwill, the British (and
British-born) Jewish author of "Children of the Ghetto." But he used the term
in reference to the USA. Britain was (certainly in my days there, 1938-1955)
much less accepting of things foreign, >from names to dress, to food and
language.

Among the name changes I'm familiar with there, these stick in my memory
Ichenhauser to Ingram
Schwarzwald to Sherwood
Cohen to Caine
? to Kennedy
? to Montgomery
Koenigshoefer to Kaye
Schajowitz to Sheldon
Osterman to Austin

The last gave rise to a game I used to play with my friends. We knew that the
French Citroen car was named after its Jewish founder, Citronenbaum. Now we
understand that the British Austin automobile must have been named after a
Jew, Osterman. Hence the Austen-Siddley car was named after Aaron Sidlewitz, the
Rolls Royce after Raphael Rottenberg, the Bentley after Bernstein, the Morris
after Moishe (obvious! what else?), the Vauxhall after Volksmann, the Rover
after Reuven, and so on. The game was who was the first to "recognize" the
Jewish name of every car we wncountered on our walk home >from schul. There were
probably at least 30 British brands at the time

Michael Bernet, New York


Lithuania and Courland: when did the borders change? #general

s.barton@...
 

The background.....
At the end of July 2004 I submitted a question about a place mentioned
on my greatgrandfather's UK naturalisation forms. According to these
forms my ggfather was born "in Lito in the province of Courland." I had
assumed that Lito is/was a town; however, several people (thank you)
suggested that the word may have been Lita (which means Lithuania).

My new question......
If the place of birth should have read "in Lithuania, in the province of
Courland", does this make historical, geographical and political sense
for the time? My ggfather was born in 1848 and he applied for
naturalisation when he was living in Liverpool, UK in about 1895.

I have tried to read up on this topic but the complexity of it makes me
dizzy! Thank you.
S.Barton.
Alberta, Canada.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lithuania and Courland: when did the borders change? #general

s.barton@...
 

The background.....
At the end of July 2004 I submitted a question about a place mentioned
on my greatgrandfather's UK naturalisation forms. According to these
forms my ggfather was born "in Lito in the province of Courland." I had
assumed that Lito is/was a town; however, several people (thank you)
suggested that the word may have been Lita (which means Lithuania).

My new question......
If the place of birth should have read "in Lithuania, in the province of
Courland", does this make historical, geographical and political sense
for the time? My ggfather was born in 1848 and he applied for
naturalisation when he was living in Liverpool, UK in about 1895.

I have tried to read up on this topic but the complexity of it makes me
dizzy! Thank you.
S.Barton.
Alberta, Canada.


Shades of Judaism #general

MBernet@...
 

Many of those interested in Jewish genealogy seek information about the
different branches and shades of Judaism. That topic is generally considered
inappropriate to the genealogical purpose of Jewishgen.

For those who wish to learn more about the many branches and shades, the
University of Calgary has created a website at

http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/363_Transp/363_list.html

It is very comprehensive. I, personally, found a number of minor errors in my
first cursory scan, and do not necessarily endorse any specific statement or
point of view. I suggest that those interested earmark this site.

Michael Bernet, New York

MODERATOR NOTE: As Dr Bernet notes, this topic, while likely of interest to
many readers of this forum, is not genealogy. The site is posted here for its
reference value. Discussions of the site and its contents are offtopic here.
Only those with a clear and direct connection to genealogy will be considered
for posting.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Shades of Judaism #general

MBernet@...
 

Many of those interested in Jewish genealogy seek information about the
different branches and shades of Judaism. That topic is generally considered
inappropriate to the genealogical purpose of Jewishgen.

For those who wish to learn more about the many branches and shades, the
University of Calgary has created a website at

http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/363_Transp/363_list.html

It is very comprehensive. I, personally, found a number of minor errors in my
first cursory scan, and do not necessarily endorse any specific statement or
point of view. I suggest that those interested earmark this site.

Michael Bernet, New York

MODERATOR NOTE: As Dr Bernet notes, this topic, while likely of interest to
many readers of this forum, is not genealogy. The site is posted here for its
reference value. Discussions of the site and its contents are offtopic here.
Only those with a clear and direct connection to genealogy will be considered
for posting.


SIG subscribers must get a JGID number #ukraine

Flo Elman
 

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The new system requires every SIG subscriber to get a JGID number.

All SIG subscribers have received two E-mails >from JewishGen informing
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(The JGID number is the same as the JGFF Researcher Code that most us have
had for ages.)

Now, after announcing the JGID requirement JewishGen has begun to remove
SIG subscribers who do not have JGID numbers or JGFF Researcher Code
numbers.

If someone you know stops receiving SIG mail it is probably because that
person did not comply with the new requirement.

Such people can resubscribe to the mailing lists after obtaining a free
JGID number at the JewishGen website.

Regards -
Florence Elman
Ukraine SIG Coordinator
haflo@shaw.ca


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine SIG subscribers must get a JGID number #ukraine

Flo Elman
 

************************************************************************
* Please read and save the new subscription change instructions below! *
************************************************************************

Our hosts at JewishGen are installing a new system which will identify
all JewishGen users by assigning all users a JewishGen Identification
Number (JGID).

This new system will have many advantages to us all including automatic
update of contact information in all JewishGen data bases when a change
is reported only one time to the JGID system.

The new system requires every SIG subscriber to get a JGID number.

All SIG subscribers have received two E-mails >from JewishGen informing
them of this new requirement and explaining how to easily get a JGID number
at no cost.

(The JGID number is the same as the JGFF Researcher Code that most us have
had for ages.)

Now, after announcing the JGID requirement JewishGen has begun to remove
SIG subscribers who do not have JGID numbers or JGFF Researcher Code
numbers.

If someone you know stops receiving SIG mail it is probably because that
person did not comply with the new requirement.

Such people can resubscribe to the mailing lists after obtaining a free
JGID number at the JewishGen website.

Regards -
Florence Elman
Ukraine SIG Coordinator
haflo@shaw.ca


Need Jerusalem phone lookup #general

Yeruchem and Fraida Cohen <yeruchem18@...>
 

Could someone please do a lookup in the Jerusalem phone directory for me.
I would like to find the following individual:

Yisrael Abramowitz (not sure of the spelling)
Rechov Yosef
Jerusalem

Please reply privately to: me_ncg@juno.com

Thank you.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need Jerusalem phone lookup #general

Yeruchem and Fraida Cohen <yeruchem18@...>
 

Could someone please do a lookup in the Jerusalem phone directory for me.
I would like to find the following individual:

Yisrael Abramowitz (not sure of the spelling)
Rechov Yosef
Jerusalem

Please reply privately to: me_ncg@juno.com

Thank you.


Mina/Minna/Minna SCHNEIDER / SANDLER / SIEGEL #general

Yehudah30@...
 

I am trying to get any information about
Mina Schneideriene who was married to Sam Shosid
and came over >from Lithuania via London in 1904.
She had a baby in transit in 1903 somewhere in
the UK. We don't know which last name it carried.
On the ship manifest she listed herself as
Chosid and Shoshit. The son was Meyer. They
lived in N.Y. until coming to Texas.

We believe Mina's parents names were Mayer
and Rose. Other relatives that came over
and changed their name >from Schneider were
Jacob and Rose Siegel, Hymen and Florance
Sandler. All in the N.Y. area.

Minna would have been born around 1882-1883.
Does anyone have any information on her, or
her parents?

Is anyone in the UK on this list able to look
at records for births in Nov-Dec 1903. I found
one for a Meyer Schneider in Kensington but it
did not have parents listed.

Shabbot Shalom
Yehudah ben Shlomo


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mina/Minna/Minna SCHNEIDER / SANDLER / SIEGEL #general

Yehudah30@...
 

I am trying to get any information about
Mina Schneideriene who was married to Sam Shosid
and came over >from Lithuania via London in 1904.
She had a baby in transit in 1903 somewhere in
the UK. We don't know which last name it carried.
On the ship manifest she listed herself as
Chosid and Shoshit. The son was Meyer. They
lived in N.Y. until coming to Texas.

We believe Mina's parents names were Mayer
and Rose. Other relatives that came over
and changed their name >from Schneider were
Jacob and Rose Siegel, Hymen and Florance
Sandler. All in the N.Y. area.

Minna would have been born around 1882-1883.
Does anyone have any information on her, or
her parents?

Is anyone in the UK on this list able to look
at records for births in Nov-Dec 1903. I found
one for a Meyer Schneider in Kensington but it
did not have parents listed.

Shabbot Shalom
Yehudah ben Shlomo


Sam Shosid Chosid/Khosid/Khasid #general

Yehudah30@...
 

I am trying to find out any information about Sam Shosid/Shosed and his wife Minnie Schneider/Schneideriene who came to N.Y. in 1904. Sam's surname Chosid/Khosid and his Parents were >from Janova Lithuania. They came over in 1902 as David and Chava Chosid/Chusset. They along with Sam and Minne were going to 23 Forsythe street in New York. I have found with some help >from other members of Jewish Gen and the ALD many of Sam's relatives (brothers, nieces, Father, and Grandfather. But I have yet to find anything with the actual spelling of his name in Lithuania. He has gone by the name Sam, Samuel and Solomon and was born around 1882-1884 probably in Janowa to David Smuel Khosid. There were a lot of Shneyer Zalman's in the family but no records that I have found for
someone who was born at this time to David Smuel. His history should look like this.

Does any one have access to find such a record for Sam.

Aaron David Khasid (grandfather) - 1820 (m) Sora
David Smuel Khosid (father) - 1840 (m) Leah
(m) Chava
Chaim (Khaim) - 1868 M
Leyba (Lejba) - 1870 M (m) Sora Gana
Itsik - 1872 M became Ike WINE / WEIN (m)
Hannah PAVELSKY and lived in
Memphis Tn.
Yankel - 1878 M
Pesha - 1879 F
Leyzer - M became Lazarus (m) Hinda
PUZEISER. Daughter was Ella
Chosid (m)Kalman SILBER
and lived in Memphis TN.
??Sam - 1982-1884?? M Sam Shosid

Other relatives >from David's brother
Ayzik (1849) were Annie Chosid changed
to Lewis (m) HUTKIN, Jessie Chosid changed
to Lewis (m) BALKIN.

Other relatives >from David's brother Shneer
Zelman (1852) were Movsha Itsik Chosid (1878)
changed to Moses LEVINSOHN.

Anyone have a record for Sam Shosid outside of U.S.A.?

Shabbot Shalom
Yehudah ben Shlomo


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Sam Shosid Chosid/Khosid/Khasid #general

Yehudah30@...
 

I am trying to find out any information about Sam Shosid/Shosed and his wife Minnie Schneider/Schneideriene who came to N.Y. in 1904. Sam's surname Chosid/Khosid and his Parents were >from Janova Lithuania. They came over in 1902 as David and Chava Chosid/Chusset. They along with Sam and Minne were going to 23 Forsythe street in New York. I have found with some help >from other members of Jewish Gen and the ALD many of Sam's relatives (brothers, nieces, Father, and Grandfather. But I have yet to find anything with the actual spelling of his name in Lithuania. He has gone by the name Sam, Samuel and Solomon and was born around 1882-1884 probably in Janowa to David Smuel Khosid. There were a lot of Shneyer Zalman's in the family but no records that I have found for
someone who was born at this time to David Smuel. His history should look like this.

Does any one have access to find such a record for Sam.

Aaron David Khasid (grandfather) - 1820 (m) Sora
David Smuel Khosid (father) - 1840 (m) Leah
(m) Chava
Chaim (Khaim) - 1868 M
Leyba (Lejba) - 1870 M (m) Sora Gana
Itsik - 1872 M became Ike WINE / WEIN (m)
Hannah PAVELSKY and lived in
Memphis Tn.
Yankel - 1878 M
Pesha - 1879 F
Leyzer - M became Lazarus (m) Hinda
PUZEISER. Daughter was Ella
Chosid (m)Kalman SILBER
and lived in Memphis TN.
??Sam - 1982-1884?? M Sam Shosid

Other relatives >from David's brother
Ayzik (1849) were Annie Chosid changed
to Lewis (m) HUTKIN, Jessie Chosid changed
to Lewis (m) BALKIN.

Other relatives >from David's brother Shneer
Zelman (1852) were Movsha Itsik Chosid (1878)
changed to Moses LEVINSOHN.

Anyone have a record for Sam Shosid outside of U.S.A.?

Shabbot Shalom
Yehudah ben Shlomo


Complete New York Birth Record #general

Irwin B. Margiloff <margiloff@...>
 

On the New York City web site I recently asked how to be sure I would obtain
all the details of the birth record, and not simply a document containing
the date and certificate number. The reply was illuminating, both factually
and bureaucratically.

It began by assuming that I was inquiring about obtaining a copy of the
"Long Form" of the birth certificate. I couldn't have done so because I'd
never heard of it.

To get the most complete information you can mail the request in by
downloading the application off the City's Health Department website (for
really old records, the City's Archives) and completing it, providing
appropriate identification, and payment. You would have to write the words
"Long Form" on the top of the application. You can also obtain a birth
certificate using a credit card directly through the website or calling the
City at (212)788-4500. In all cases you would have to let them know you
want the long form of the birth certificate because if you don't you will
get the short form. If you go through the website, there will be a question
where they will ask you "what is the purpose of the certificate", and that
is where you would state "Long Form".

So that's how to get as much detail as possible. You have to ask for the
"Long Form", but the City's web site never mentions it.

Irwin Margiloff
Duarte, California


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Complete New York Birth Record #general

Irwin B. Margiloff <margiloff@...>
 

On the New York City web site I recently asked how to be sure I would obtain
all the details of the birth record, and not simply a document containing
the date and certificate number. The reply was illuminating, both factually
and bureaucratically.

It began by assuming that I was inquiring about obtaining a copy of the
"Long Form" of the birth certificate. I couldn't have done so because I'd
never heard of it.

To get the most complete information you can mail the request in by
downloading the application off the City's Health Department website (for
really old records, the City's Archives) and completing it, providing
appropriate identification, and payment. You would have to write the words
"Long Form" on the top of the application. You can also obtain a birth
certificate using a credit card directly through the website or calling the
City at (212)788-4500. In all cases you would have to let them know you
want the long form of the birth certificate because if you don't you will
get the short form. If you go through the website, there will be a question
where they will ask you "what is the purpose of the certificate", and that
is where you would state "Long Form".

So that's how to get as much detail as possible. You have to ask for the
"Long Form", but the City's web site never mentions it.

Irwin Margiloff
Duarte, California


ViewMate -- Marriage registry: Tuszyn & Belchatow #general

Burt Hecht <burt1933@...>
 

I would appreciate translations of three postings. One one: VM4572 there is
a Polish marriage registration >from Tuszyn with Hebrew annotations. Another
document is a marriage registration >from Belchatow posted in two segments:
VM 4611 first portion and VM 4571 second portion are in Polish with Hebrew
signatories.

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4571
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4611

Please respond to undersigned. Thank you.

Burt Hecht
burt1933@comcast.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate -- Marriage registry: Tuszyn & Belchatow #general

Burt Hecht <burt1933@...>
 

I would appreciate translations of three postings. One one: VM4572 there is
a Polish marriage registration >from Tuszyn with Hebrew annotations. Another
document is a marriage registration >from Belchatow posted in two segments:
VM 4611 first portion and VM 4571 second portion are in Polish with Hebrew
signatories.

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4571
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4611

Please respond to undersigned. Thank you.

Burt Hecht
burt1933@comcast.net