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ViewMate translation request: Stargard Register of Inhabitants #germany

Paul Gordon <flash@...>
 

Hello,

I have found some FRIEDLAND relatives listed in the Stargard Seelenregister
(Register of Inhabitants) for the 1870s and 1880s. Since I cannot read old
German (or new German, for that matter), I have posted three of the pages on
ViewMate. Could someone please tell me what these entries say?

VM4732: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4732
I'm not sure, but I think this lists Herrmann FRIEDLAND with two wives:
Rosalie(?) LIPSHITZ and Albertina SALINGER. Can this be right? If so, is
there an indication that one was divorced or deceased? And could someone
please tell me what else this document says?

VM4734: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4734
Another Herrmann FRIEDLAND document, this time with only one wife. Can
someone please translate this for me?

VM4731: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4731
I can read the name Bernhard FRIEDLAND, the date of birth, and the town of
birth. What is written in the two other columns?

You can access all the ViewMate files at
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html.

Please respond to me directly, and not to the list.

Paul Gordon Silver Spring, Maryland, USA <flash@...>


German SIG #Germany ViewMate translation request: Stargard Register of Inhabitants #germany

Paul Gordon <flash@...>
 

Hello,

I have found some FRIEDLAND relatives listed in the Stargard Seelenregister
(Register of Inhabitants) for the 1870s and 1880s. Since I cannot read old
German (or new German, for that matter), I have posted three of the pages on
ViewMate. Could someone please tell me what these entries say?

VM4732: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4732
I'm not sure, but I think this lists Herrmann FRIEDLAND with two wives:
Rosalie(?) LIPSHITZ and Albertina SALINGER. Can this be right? If so, is
there an indication that one was divorced or deceased? And could someone
please tell me what else this document says?

VM4734: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4734
Another Herrmann FRIEDLAND document, this time with only one wife. Can
someone please translate this for me?

VM4731: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4731
I can read the name Bernhard FRIEDLAND, the date of birth, and the town of
birth. What is written in the two other columns?

You can access all the ViewMate files at
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html.

Please respond to me directly, and not to the list.

Paul Gordon Silver Spring, Maryland, USA <flash@...>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FRIESER FAMILY #general

Barry Fraser <barry.fraser@...>
 

I would be grateful for information about my paternal family tree.

I have looked through the JGSGB databases and have not found a listing
for FRIESER. I think I have looked in all the relevant files.
Some history I have discovered so far:
A Frieser family were residents of Manchester, UK in 1871 as shown on
the census of that year.
I have the names born in Crakow (now in Poland but then Austria) in 1831.
I do not know when the couple came >from Crakow to Manchester or whether
they came to Manchester via London.
I think that Morris and Miriam are possibly the parents of Hyman Frieser
as there is a Hyman Frieser in residence with them in Manchester at the
1871 census date.
Other names include Morris (Junior?), Soloman and Elias at the same
address at the time of the 1871 census.
Hyman Frieser was born in Manchester 1855.
In Prestwich in 1879, Hyman married Celilia (born in Birmingham) maiden
name as yet unknown.
Hyman was recorded as a leggings manaufacturer on the 1891 census.
Hyman and Cecilia had at least three children. The eldest Frederick J.
Frieser, born 1879 (my grandfather adopted the name John Fraser), his
brother Louis, born 1880 and Eleanor born later but birthdate as yet unknown.
No record of the family seems to appear in the 1901 census, except for
my grandfather who had adopted the Anglesized name of John Fraser by then.


If anyone can help me with links to my family tree I shall be highly
delighted.

Thanks

Barry Fraser
Westerham
Kent,UK


FRIESER FAMILY #general

Barry Fraser <barry.fraser@...>
 

I would be grateful for information about my paternal family tree.

I have looked through the JGSGB databases and have not found a listing
for FRIESER. I think I have looked in all the relevant files.
Some history I have discovered so far:
A Frieser family were residents of Manchester, UK in 1871 as shown on
the census of that year.
I have the names born in Crakow (now in Poland but then Austria) in 1831.
I do not know when the couple came >from Crakow to Manchester or whether
they came to Manchester via London.
I think that Morris and Miriam are possibly the parents of Hyman Frieser
as there is a Hyman Frieser in residence with them in Manchester at the
1871 census date.
Other names include Morris (Junior?), Soloman and Elias at the same
address at the time of the 1871 census.
Hyman Frieser was born in Manchester 1855.
In Prestwich in 1879, Hyman married Celilia (born in Birmingham) maiden
name as yet unknown.
Hyman was recorded as a leggings manaufacturer on the 1891 census.
Hyman and Cecilia had at least three children. The eldest Frederick J.
Frieser, born 1879 (my grandfather adopted the name John Fraser), his
brother Louis, born 1880 and Eleanor born later but birthdate as yet unknown.
No record of the family seems to appear in the 1901 census, except for
my grandfather who had adopted the Anglesized name of John Fraser by then.


If anyone can help me with links to my family tree I shall be highly
delighted.

Thanks

Barry Fraser
Westerham
Kent,UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking immigration records for the 1870-1880s #general

MSalzbank@...
 

My great great grandparents came to the U.S. in the late 1870s - 1880s...
with their children. I am assuming they came through NY.

Since it is prior to Ellis Island.. where can I get information similar to
that which is found in Ellis Island manifests?
Where they came from, where they were going? etc.

The family name is HONIG
Leibish Tzvi and Nechama HONIG = parents
Children
Frimeth
Jennie (Shayndel)
Hannah
Wolf
Ruben
Perel
Toba

Thank you
Michael SALZBANK
MSalzbank@...

HONIG, FREIMAN, BRENNER, RUBIN, FEUER, UNGAR, JORRISCH, FREIMAN, FRIMMERMAN,
SUSSIS, SUSSMAN

MODERATOR NOTE: You might find some answers in this JewishGen InfoFile:
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/#Immigration


Seeking immigration records for the 1870-1880s #general

MSalzbank@...
 

My great great grandparents came to the U.S. in the late 1870s - 1880s...
with their children. I am assuming they came through NY.

Since it is prior to Ellis Island.. where can I get information similar to
that which is found in Ellis Island manifests?
Where they came from, where they were going? etc.

The family name is HONIG
Leibish Tzvi and Nechama HONIG = parents
Children
Frimeth
Jennie (Shayndel)
Hannah
Wolf
Ruben
Perel
Toba

Thank you
Michael SALZBANK
MSalzbank@...

HONIG, FREIMAN, BRENNER, RUBIN, FEUER, UNGAR, JORRISCH, FREIMAN, FRIMMERMAN,
SUSSIS, SUSSMAN

MODERATOR NOTE: You might find some answers in this JewishGen InfoFile:
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/#Immigration


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Library Membership Benefits #general

Barbara Niederhoff <iamthewind@...>
 

It's an excellent idea to check with your local library to see what
databases may be available to you, as well as books and periodicals.
Some databases can be accessed at home; others must be used at the
library. If you are lucky enough to have more than one library system in
your area, compare offerings. Depending on the rules where you live,
your card may be accepted in other library systems, or you may be able to
apply for a "reciprocal card" -- just call & ask.

I have an Arapahoe County library card that is equally useful with the
Aurora Public Library, and there's a sticker on it that allows me to use
the Denver Public Library just like any Denver patron.

And while we're on the subject, here's something a little lighter:
http://www.comics.com/basic/archive.do?comicId=25&stripId=200896

Everyone should get acquainted with that person. ;)

Barbara Niederhoff


Re: Library Membership Benefits #general

Barbara Niederhoff <iamthewind@...>
 

It's an excellent idea to check with your local library to see what
databases may be available to you, as well as books and periodicals.
Some databases can be accessed at home; others must be used at the
library. If you are lucky enough to have more than one library system in
your area, compare offerings. Depending on the rules where you live,
your card may be accepted in other library systems, or you may be able to
apply for a "reciprocal card" -- just call & ask.

I have an Arapahoe County library card that is equally useful with the
Aurora Public Library, and there's a sticker on it that allows me to use
the Denver Public Library just like any Denver patron.

And while we're on the subject, here's something a little lighter:
http://www.comics.com/basic/archive.do?comicId=25&stripId=200896

Everyone should get acquainted with that person. ;)

Barbara Niederhoff


Re: Mexico -- additional thought #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

Israel...

Have you tried looking up the name and address in the online Mexican
telephone directory?

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Mexico -- additional thought #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

Israel...

Have you tried looking up the name and address in the online Mexican
telephone directory?

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Politics and Genealogy: an interesting, NON-political combination #general

MBernet@...
 

According to last Sunday's New York Times, presidential candidates John
Forbes Kerry and George Walker Bush, are both descendants of Edmund Reade
(1563-1623) of Wickford, Essex in England. Kerry is a member of the 10th
generation, Bush of the 12th generation, making them ninth cousins twice removed.

The information was based on research by Gary Boyd Roberts "the genealogical
historian," who shows the two are related through at least seven additional
lines: three of them as 10th cousins once or twice removed, once as 11th c, once
r, once as "Half 12th" once removed, once as 12th c twice removed and once as
14th cousins (>from John Manning of Downe, Kent; d. 1543) not-at-all removed.

Roberts commented that such close relationships are to be expected among any
two people with "significant" New England colonial ancestry. The same surely
holds for descendants of European (and perhaps other) Jews, though it would
have been diluted in the past centuries in the USA as Jews >from different
countries intermarried.

Michael Bernet, New York


Politics and Genealogy: an interesting, NON-political combination #general

MBernet@...
 

According to last Sunday's New York Times, presidential candidates John
Forbes Kerry and George Walker Bush, are both descendants of Edmund Reade
(1563-1623) of Wickford, Essex in England. Kerry is a member of the 10th
generation, Bush of the 12th generation, making them ninth cousins twice removed.

The information was based on research by Gary Boyd Roberts "the genealogical
historian," who shows the two are related through at least seven additional
lines: three of them as 10th cousins once or twice removed, once as 11th c, once
r, once as "Half 12th" once removed, once as 12th c twice removed and once as
14th cousins (>from John Manning of Downe, Kent; d. 1543) not-at-all removed.

Roberts commented that such close relationships are to be expected among any
two people with "significant" New England colonial ancestry. The same surely
holds for descendants of European (and perhaps other) Jews, though it would
have been diluted in the past centuries in the USA as Jews >from different
countries intermarried.

Michael Bernet, New York


Re: LEGION D'HONNEUR #france

Lifshitz-Krams Anne
 

In addition to George's answer, there is a database in French National
Archives website. If you go to
http://www.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/chan/
and clic on "Leonore" and ask for the names you want.

You find:
Cote L2546070
Nom SPRINGER
Prénoms MAURICE LOUIS
Sexe M
Date de naissance 1859/05/24
Nationalité A
Lieu de naissance PARIS


Cote L0649041
Nom DALMBERT
Prénoms OSCAR
Sexe M
Date de naissance 1846/06/23
Nationalité A
Lieu de naissance BAS-RHIN ; WISSEMBOURG


With these references, you can ask for a copy of the file if you write to:

Archives nationales (CARAN)
Service de reproduction
60, rue des Francs-Bourgeois 75141 Paris Cedex 03

Tél : 01-40-27-64-20

Anne Lifshitz-Krams
CGJ - Paris - France
www.genealoj.org

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Yamey" <adamandlopa@...>
To: "French SIG" <frenchsig@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 2:30 PM
Subject: [frenchsig] LEGION D'HONNEUR



Two members of my extended family were "Chevalier de
la Legion d'Honneur", according to the inscriptions on
their common gravestone in Montparnasse Cemetery,
Paris.

Maurice SPRINGER, doctor, (lived in 19th century)
Oscar DALMBERT, lawyer, (1846, Wissembourg-1926,Paris)


French SIG #France Re: LEGION D'HONNEUR #france

Lifshitz-Krams Anne
 

In addition to George's answer, there is a database in French National
Archives website. If you go to
http://www.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/chan/
and clic on "Leonore" and ask for the names you want.

You find:
Cote L2546070
Nom SPRINGER
Prénoms MAURICE LOUIS
Sexe M
Date de naissance 1859/05/24
Nationalité A
Lieu de naissance PARIS


Cote L0649041
Nom DALMBERT
Prénoms OSCAR
Sexe M
Date de naissance 1846/06/23
Nationalité A
Lieu de naissance BAS-RHIN ; WISSEMBOURG


With these references, you can ask for a copy of the file if you write to:

Archives nationales (CARAN)
Service de reproduction
60, rue des Francs-Bourgeois 75141 Paris Cedex 03

Tél : 01-40-27-64-20

Anne Lifshitz-Krams
CGJ - Paris - France
www.genealoj.org

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Yamey" <adamandlopa@...>
To: "French SIG" <frenchsig@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 2:30 PM
Subject: [frenchsig] LEGION D'HONNEUR



Two members of my extended family were "Chevalier de
la Legion d'Honneur", according to the inscriptions on
their common gravestone in Montparnasse Cemetery,
Paris.

Maurice SPRINGER, doctor, (lived in 19th century)
Oscar DALMBERT, lawyer, (1846, Wissembourg-1926,Paris)


HFPJC Update-Part II-Cemtery Restoration Projects #general

hfpjc
 

Dear Genners,

Firstly, I'd like to commend those of you who have responded already to
my Part I posting and for your warm words of thanks and encouragement; I
will try to respond to all of them as soon as possible.
Well, following is a list of all those cemeteries for which there is
considerable interest among the families and descendants to have restored.
All of these have already been evaluated-the preliminary step-and are either
in various stages of preparations for the projects or are being seriously
considered and processed(i.e. actual work will be immediately initiated upon
signing of contracts between HFPJC and family members/descendants.) Once
again, if you recognize your ancestral hometown, or if anybody has any
information that might be beneficial to the projects, please contact our
office. Also, digital photos of these cemeteries are available upon request.

I know that many of you have some roots in
Satoraljaujhely(Eihel)Hungary, so this is bound to be of interest,
especially as I have received requests and inquiries regarding this cemetery
from many J-Gen members.:
Satoraljaujhely, Hungary
The Jewish cemetery(New) of Satoraljaujhely is a huge cemetery. Granted,
the first section of the cemetery is in decent condition, but the lion's
share of the grounds are so badly overgrown that it is often impossible to
reach the gravestones and countless stones are even completely obscured from
view. I am happy to inform you that we have recently commenced the major
task of clearing the grounds of all the bush and wild vegetation so that we
can get an idea of the amount of gravestones in that cemetery. According to
our rep who was there together with an experienced contractor, he
approximated the amount to be several thousand tombstones! Of course, only
once the cemetery is cleaned can we determine the scope of restoring all
the damaged and neglected gravestones. Furthermore, in light of the sloping
grounds of the cemetery, a plan for a drainage system for the rainfalls is
currently being studied by a special engineering team. I will keep you
posted as to the progress.

Dragmirestu, Romania
To be enclosed and restored internally. Project in latter phase of
preparation.

Guklivij, Ukraine
Cemetery open to all and in terrible condition. Descendants being
contacted-any others who have pertinent info.

Hajdusoboszlo, Hungary
Large cemetery, to be properly enclosed.
Gathering of interested family members and descendants in process.

Hajdubeszormeny, Hungary
Grounds severely overgrown; vegetation to be cut and cleared in near
future, followed by individual photographing of tombstones and maintenance
arrangements.

Paleu, Hungary
Very bad condition. Gathering of interested family members and descendants
in process.

Pap, Hungary
The erection of a durable, concrete enclosure to be commenced in coming
weeks.

Pir, Hungary
To be enclosed properly and restored internally. Project in preparatory
phases.

Rakhov, Ukraine
Retainer wall urgently required to support eroding earth. Gathering of
interested family members and descendants in process.

Strimtura, Romania
Erection of concrete enclosure to be commenced in near future, followed by
interior restoration.

Tisenic/Stropkov, Slovakia
Preparation for cutting wild vegetation in process. To be followed by
restoration of gravestones.

Urishor, Hungary
Interior to be completely restored. Project still in preparatory stages.

Valcau de Jos, Romania
Erosion posing substantial threat. Thorough research and correspondence with
Mayor yielded urgent(though very costly)need for a retainer wall. Project
still in preparatory stages.

Zhuravniki, Ukraine
Recently evaluated-complete results being studied and to be released
shortly. Cemetery in deplorable condition. (Project initiated by Yizkor
Book Project Coordinator Mr. Gary Gershfiel >from Forest Hills)
-------
-------

I will try to keep you updated with the developments of these cemetey
projects.

Best regards to you all and in this merit, we we all be blessed with a Happy
Jewish New Year!

Sincerely,

Toby Mendlowitz
Assistant Director
HFPJC
148 Ross Street
Brooklyn, NY 11211
Tel. 800-945-1552
Fax 718-228-8368
E-mail: hfpjc@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen HFPJC Update-Part II-Cemtery Restoration Projects #general

hfpjc
 

Dear Genners,

Firstly, I'd like to commend those of you who have responded already to
my Part I posting and for your warm words of thanks and encouragement; I
will try to respond to all of them as soon as possible.
Well, following is a list of all those cemeteries for which there is
considerable interest among the families and descendants to have restored.
All of these have already been evaluated-the preliminary step-and are either
in various stages of preparations for the projects or are being seriously
considered and processed(i.e. actual work will be immediately initiated upon
signing of contracts between HFPJC and family members/descendants.) Once
again, if you recognize your ancestral hometown, or if anybody has any
information that might be beneficial to the projects, please contact our
office. Also, digital photos of these cemeteries are available upon request.

I know that many of you have some roots in
Satoraljaujhely(Eihel)Hungary, so this is bound to be of interest,
especially as I have received requests and inquiries regarding this cemetery
from many J-Gen members.:
Satoraljaujhely, Hungary
The Jewish cemetery(New) of Satoraljaujhely is a huge cemetery. Granted,
the first section of the cemetery is in decent condition, but the lion's
share of the grounds are so badly overgrown that it is often impossible to
reach the gravestones and countless stones are even completely obscured from
view. I am happy to inform you that we have recently commenced the major
task of clearing the grounds of all the bush and wild vegetation so that we
can get an idea of the amount of gravestones in that cemetery. According to
our rep who was there together with an experienced contractor, he
approximated the amount to be several thousand tombstones! Of course, only
once the cemetery is cleaned can we determine the scope of restoring all
the damaged and neglected gravestones. Furthermore, in light of the sloping
grounds of the cemetery, a plan for a drainage system for the rainfalls is
currently being studied by a special engineering team. I will keep you
posted as to the progress.

Dragmirestu, Romania
To be enclosed and restored internally. Project in latter phase of
preparation.

Guklivij, Ukraine
Cemetery open to all and in terrible condition. Descendants being
contacted-any others who have pertinent info.

Hajdusoboszlo, Hungary
Large cemetery, to be properly enclosed.
Gathering of interested family members and descendants in process.

Hajdubeszormeny, Hungary
Grounds severely overgrown; vegetation to be cut and cleared in near
future, followed by individual photographing of tombstones and maintenance
arrangements.

Paleu, Hungary
Very bad condition. Gathering of interested family members and descendants
in process.

Pap, Hungary
The erection of a durable, concrete enclosure to be commenced in coming
weeks.

Pir, Hungary
To be enclosed properly and restored internally. Project in preparatory
phases.

Rakhov, Ukraine
Retainer wall urgently required to support eroding earth. Gathering of
interested family members and descendants in process.

Strimtura, Romania
Erection of concrete enclosure to be commenced in near future, followed by
interior restoration.

Tisenic/Stropkov, Slovakia
Preparation for cutting wild vegetation in process. To be followed by
restoration of gravestones.

Urishor, Hungary
Interior to be completely restored. Project still in preparatory stages.

Valcau de Jos, Romania
Erosion posing substantial threat. Thorough research and correspondence with
Mayor yielded urgent(though very costly)need for a retainer wall. Project
still in preparatory stages.

Zhuravniki, Ukraine
Recently evaluated-complete results being studied and to be released
shortly. Cemetery in deplorable condition. (Project initiated by Yizkor
Book Project Coordinator Mr. Gary Gershfiel >from Forest Hills)
-------
-------

I will try to keep you updated with the developments of these cemetey
projects.

Best regards to you all and in this merit, we we all be blessed with a Happy
Jewish New Year!

Sincerely,

Toby Mendlowitz
Assistant Director
HFPJC
148 Ross Street
Brooklyn, NY 11211
Tel. 800-945-1552
Fax 718-228-8368
E-mail: hfpjc@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Fw: Jews in Wichita, KS #general

D. Allen Mandlebaum
 

Debbie Korman had asked about resources in Wichita, KS. Here is some
information that may aid her - as well as others - in her search in Wichita:
There is one Jewish Cemetary in Wichita. It is called Hebrew Congregation
or Hebrew Cemetery. It is on Oliver near 21st street. The main funeral
home for the Jewish population in Wichita is Downing & Lahey,
1-800-369-8784. The conservative congregation is Ahavat Achim, or Hebrew
Congregation, and the reform Temple is Temple Emanuel.
Debbie, if you need further information on the parties that you are seeking,
contact me privately and I will contact some of the old-timers in Wichita to
see if anyone can remember your relatives.
Dov Mandlebaum
Tulsa, OK


Fw: Jews in Wichita, KS #general

D. Allen Mandlebaum
 

Debbie Korman had asked about resources in Wichita, KS. Here is some
information that may aid her - as well as others - in her search in Wichita:
There is one Jewish Cemetary in Wichita. It is called Hebrew Congregation
or Hebrew Cemetery. It is on Oliver near 21st street. The main funeral
home for the Jewish population in Wichita is Downing & Lahey,
1-800-369-8784. The conservative congregation is Ahavat Achim, or Hebrew
Congregation, and the reform Temple is Temple Emanuel.
Debbie, if you need further information on the parties that you are seeking,
contact me privately and I will contact some of the old-timers in Wichita to
see if anyone can remember your relatives.
Dov Mandlebaum
Tulsa, OK


Harry KATZ family correction #general

Sara Lynns
 

According to 1920 census Sophie Katz clearly listed as DOB: 1898
my sense is probably 1888
Son: Harry born NYC 1911/12

I am searching for relatives
please reply privately if you are related or know this family

Thank you
Jackie Lerner-Aderman
Tigard, Oregon
saralynn7@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Harry KATZ family correction #general

Sara Lynns
 

According to 1920 census Sophie Katz clearly listed as DOB: 1898
my sense is probably 1888
Son: Harry born NYC 1911/12

I am searching for relatives
please reply privately if you are related or know this family

Thank you
Jackie Lerner-Aderman
Tigard, Oregon
saralynn7@...