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Re: Do we all have a common ancestor? #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

1) Common ancestors, it is quite appropriate to this discussion to remember
that next Shabbat with G-d's help we again start >from "Bereshit" in our
weekly Torah portions.
In "Bereshit," we will be reading again about our true common ancestors,
Adam and Eve.

Aizic
Dear Aizic,

>from the point of view of genealogy, I think the really interesting
thing about Bereshit is not whether the creation story is to be taken
literally. After all, most people nowadays rejec that notion,
preferring to treat Genesis chapters 1 through 11 metaphorically --
for scientific and scholarly reasons, including what is known about
the literary conventions of ancient mythology, and having regard to
the similarities among ancient semitic creation myths.

The remarkable thing is that the story became part and parcel of the
Torah rather than remaining separate >from it! Ancient mythologies
usually record their ethnic history. separately >from their cosmic
creation story. Even our talmudic rabbis obliquely endorsed that
idea when they said that one would actually have expected the Torah
to commence with Exodus 12, where the"history" of the Israelite
people begins. But the 5th century BCE editors of the Torah chose
to incorporate the ancient Israelite myth of origins into the ethnic
history, thereby highlighting the fact that the Jews are not a
separate species but belong to the same species as the rest of
humankind.

This combining of the creation story with the history of the
Israelite people produced the peculiar blend of universalism and
particularism that pervades Judaism. Indeed, during September our
prayer book liturgy has just now reminded us that on the Yomim
Nora'im (High Holy Days) we celebrate mainly the universal aspects of
life and death, while on the Shalosh Regalim (three pilgrim
festivals) we celebrate mainly our separate ethnicity.

So, yes, our Torah does endorse the fact that we have common
ancestry with other people who are not descended >from ancient
Israelites -- or at any rate (if one espouses the "all-or-nothing"
theory) with one such person living in 1500 BCE (and presumably with
that person's remoter ancestors going back to when we climbed down
out of the trees).

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Genealogical aspects of this thread may continue to
be posted, but discussions of religious truth, myth, etc., should
take place privately or on another list. Thank you for understanding.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Do we all have a common ancestor? #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

1) Common ancestors, it is quite appropriate to this discussion to remember
that next Shabbat with G-d's help we again start >from "Bereshit" in our
weekly Torah portions.
In "Bereshit," we will be reading again about our true common ancestors,
Adam and Eve.

Aizic
Dear Aizic,

>from the point of view of genealogy, I think the really interesting
thing about Bereshit is not whether the creation story is to be taken
literally. After all, most people nowadays rejec that notion,
preferring to treat Genesis chapters 1 through 11 metaphorically --
for scientific and scholarly reasons, including what is known about
the literary conventions of ancient mythology, and having regard to
the similarities among ancient semitic creation myths.

The remarkable thing is that the story became part and parcel of the
Torah rather than remaining separate >from it! Ancient mythologies
usually record their ethnic history. separately >from their cosmic
creation story. Even our talmudic rabbis obliquely endorsed that
idea when they said that one would actually have expected the Torah
to commence with Exodus 12, where the"history" of the Israelite
people begins. But the 5th century BCE editors of the Torah chose
to incorporate the ancient Israelite myth of origins into the ethnic
history, thereby highlighting the fact that the Jews are not a
separate species but belong to the same species as the rest of
humankind.

This combining of the creation story with the history of the
Israelite people produced the peculiar blend of universalism and
particularism that pervades Judaism. Indeed, during September our
prayer book liturgy has just now reminded us that on the Yomim
Nora'im (High Holy Days) we celebrate mainly the universal aspects of
life and death, while on the Shalosh Regalim (three pilgrim
festivals) we celebrate mainly our separate ethnicity.

So, yes, our Torah does endorse the fact that we have common
ancestry with other people who are not descended >from ancient
Israelites -- or at any rate (if one espouses the "all-or-nothing"
theory) with one such person living in 1500 BCE (and presumably with
that person's remoter ancestors going back to when we climbed down
out of the trees).

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Genealogical aspects of this thread may continue to
be posted, but discussions of religious truth, myth, etc., should
take place privately or on another list. Thank you for understanding.


Re: Please help with quote #general

bettina glass <bettinaglass@...>
 

Thank you to Paul for responding to my request for details of a genealogy
poem "If you could see your ancestors......" - Fascinating website, thanks.
Also, many thanks to those who responded to my query about "The Great
Julian". I shall try to follow up your suggestions and will keep your
e-mails in case a link turns up.

Bettina Glass, Yungaburra, Far North Queensland, Australia. <
bettinaglass@... >


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:Please help with quote #general

bettina glass <bettinaglass@...>
 

Thank you to Paul for responding to my request for details of a genealogy
poem "If you could see your ancestors......" - Fascinating website, thanks.
Also, many thanks to those who responded to my query about "The Great
Julian". I shall try to follow up your suggestions and will keep your
e-mails in case a link turns up.

Bettina Glass, Yungaburra, Far North Queensland, Australia. <
bettinaglass@... >


Jews in China: Harbin #general

Shel <shel@...>
 

My wife's mother, Leah Lulkin, was born in Harbin, China (1905). Her
father, Samuel, was a pharmacist. She had a brother Morris. There was a
large Jewish population there before she emigrated to the U. S. about 1925.

Does anyone have a connection to the Lulkin family?

Shel Brucker
Los Angeles
email: shel@...

Researching:
BRUCKER, BRUKER, BRUCAR, FELLER, GRAUBART, GARTNER, KLEIN, LEHRER >from Radautz
& Bukowina, Romania/Ukraine, & Brassov, Besztercze/Bistrita, Budapest &Bucharest,
Hungary and St. Paul MN / BRUCKER, HAGUENAUER >from Paris, France / BERKOVITZ
(BERCOVICI) in St. Paul, MN, Los Angeles and Hungary? / BRUCKER, WEINERT >from
Brassov, Romania/Hungary / SEGALOVE/SOKOLVSKY >from Ternovka, Ukraine / LULKIN
from Harbin, China GREENBERG, GRUNBERG, GRIINBERG, GERTLER >from Lodz, Poland and
St. Paul, MN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jews in China: Harbin #general

Shel <shel@...>
 

My wife's mother, Leah Lulkin, was born in Harbin, China (1905). Her
father, Samuel, was a pharmacist. She had a brother Morris. There was a
large Jewish population there before she emigrated to the U. S. about 1925.

Does anyone have a connection to the Lulkin family?

Shel Brucker
Los Angeles
email: shel@...

Researching:
BRUCKER, BRUKER, BRUCAR, FELLER, GRAUBART, GARTNER, KLEIN, LEHRER >from Radautz
& Bukowina, Romania/Ukraine, & Brassov, Besztercze/Bistrita, Budapest &Bucharest,
Hungary and St. Paul MN / BRUCKER, HAGUENAUER >from Paris, France / BERKOVITZ
(BERCOVICI) in St. Paul, MN, Los Angeles and Hungary? / BRUCKER, WEINERT >from
Brassov, Romania/Hungary / SEGALOVE/SOKOLVSKY >from Ternovka, Ukraine / LULKIN
from Harbin, China GREENBERG, GRUNBERG, GRIINBERG, GERTLER >from Lodz, Poland and
St. Paul, MN


Look-Up at Central Zionist Archives #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Cousins,

I don't know if this request is too much to ask for, but I'd be very happy
if one my fellow genners in Israel would willing to do a look-up for me in
the Central Zionist Archives in Jerusalem. I'm looking for any information
on two brothers who immigrated >from Odessa to Alexandria, then to Palestine
around the turn of the 20th century. One died there in 1922, which might be
too early for the archives that are in Hebrew rather than Turkish. But the
other died in the 1960's, so he might be included in the 1939 Jerusalem
Census - or, better, the 1942 Electoral Lists because I don't know where
they lived in Palestine.

Of course I'd be willing to pay any expenses.

If you're willing, please reply privately to sorlen@...

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ

BELKIN (Borisov, Boguslav, Odessa), BOIM (Zasliai), MELNICK, LIBERMAN ha
COHEN (Dvorets, Pinsk, Pochopovo), ORLIN (Boguslaviskis, Vilnius, Vieves,
Zasliai), MEREMINSKY, EPSTEIN, HABERMAN, WOLFOWITZ, ZELIVANSKY (Slonim,
Deretchin), WOLINSKY (Boguslav, Odessa, Alexandria, Palestine), ADELSON
(Wysokidwor, Trakai), KABATCHNIK/FINN (Vilnius), SUHER/SUCHETT (Kovno)


Rabbi Yevanovitz or Yemotis in Palestine #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Israeli Cousins,

In 1946, my cousins visited a relative of ours in Palestine, a rabbi with
the surname YEVANOVITZ or YEMOTIS. One of two sons of Annie nee EPSTEIN &
Mr. Y or Y, he immigrated >from Slonim, although no one in the family knows
when. (The name appears differently on Annie's mother's & father's death
certificates.)

Is the name familiar to anyone?

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Look-Up at Central Zionist Archives #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Cousins,

I don't know if this request is too much to ask for, but I'd be very happy
if one my fellow genners in Israel would willing to do a look-up for me in
the Central Zionist Archives in Jerusalem. I'm looking for any information
on two brothers who immigrated >from Odessa to Alexandria, then to Palestine
around the turn of the 20th century. One died there in 1922, which might be
too early for the archives that are in Hebrew rather than Turkish. But the
other died in the 1960's, so he might be included in the 1939 Jerusalem
Census - or, better, the 1942 Electoral Lists because I don't know where
they lived in Palestine.

Of course I'd be willing to pay any expenses.

If you're willing, please reply privately to sorlen@...

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ

BELKIN (Borisov, Boguslav, Odessa), BOIM (Zasliai), MELNICK, LIBERMAN ha
COHEN (Dvorets, Pinsk, Pochopovo), ORLIN (Boguslaviskis, Vilnius, Vieves,
Zasliai), MEREMINSKY, EPSTEIN, HABERMAN, WOLFOWITZ, ZELIVANSKY (Slonim,
Deretchin), WOLINSKY (Boguslav, Odessa, Alexandria, Palestine), ADELSON
(Wysokidwor, Trakai), KABATCHNIK/FINN (Vilnius), SUHER/SUCHETT (Kovno)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rabbi Yevanovitz or Yemotis in Palestine #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Israeli Cousins,

In 1946, my cousins visited a relative of ours in Palestine, a rabbi with
the surname YEVANOVITZ or YEMOTIS. One of two sons of Annie nee EPSTEIN &
Mr. Y or Y, he immigrated >from Slonim, although no one in the family knows
when. (The name appears differently on Annie's mother's & father's death
certificates.)

Is the name familiar to anyone?

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ


researching obits #general

Sara Lynns
 

as yet, have been unable to locate any death records
or obits for my father's family
NY times (>from my understanding) Obits apparently were
notices of those people who were famous or well known.

My father's family were not extraordinary
immigrants who moved to NYC >from Russia

I've tried online searches as well as searching
genealogical searches
I still don't know when or where they died
or where they're buried.

Jackie Lerner-Aderman
saralynn7@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen researching obits #general

Sara Lynns
 

as yet, have been unable to locate any death records
or obits for my father's family
NY times (>from my understanding) Obits apparently were
notices of those people who were famous or well known.

My father's family were not extraordinary
immigrants who moved to NYC >from Russia

I've tried online searches as well as searching
genealogical searches
I still don't know when or where they died
or where they're buried.

Jackie Lerner-Aderman
saralynn7@...


JGS of Greater Orlando: Film Festival Sunday, October 3, 2004 at 1:00 PM #general

Doris & Don Frank <dofrank@...>
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Orlando invites you to attend their
Film Festival celebrating the 350th anniversary of Jews arriving in America.
Films will be shown in CLJ Social Hall Beginning at 1 PM
Free to JGSGO and CLJ members

Sunday, October 3, 2004

Hester Street: A delightfully quaint film about the assimilation of
Jewish immigrants in America at turn of the century.

Jews and the Gold Rush: Birth of a Community: Exploring the early
settlements in San Francisco, Sacramento and the mining towns in the 1850s
and 1860s.

Bring your friends and join us!! For more information, please call Doris
Frank at 407-323-9728 or email at dofrank@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Greater Orlando: Film Festival Sunday, October 3, 2004 at 1:00 PM #general

Doris & Don Frank <dofrank@...>
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Orlando invites you to attend their
Film Festival celebrating the 350th anniversary of Jews arriving in America.
Films will be shown in CLJ Social Hall Beginning at 1 PM
Free to JGSGO and CLJ members

Sunday, October 3, 2004

Hester Street: A delightfully quaint film about the assimilation of
Jewish immigrants in America at turn of the century.

Jews and the Gold Rush: Birth of a Community: Exploring the early
settlements in San Francisco, Sacramento and the mining towns in the 1850s
and 1860s.

Bring your friends and join us!! For more information, please call Doris
Frank at 407-323-9728 or email at dofrank@...


Dr Franz Auerbach Z'L #southafrica

Ronnie Mink
 

I am sorry to inform members of the South African SIG of the passing of Dr
Franz Auerbach. He passed away on Thursday night , Succot , after a sudden
heart attack.
Franz will be remembered first and foremost as an intrepid opponent of the
Nationalist regime during the awful apartheid years. His exposure of the
evils of apartheid, especially in the field of education are legendary.
Anyone training as a teacher during the 60's and 70's will remember his "The
Power of Prejudice in South African Education" in which he exposed bias and
racism in the teaching of History, languages and cultural subjects.
As a Jew, Franz will be remembered as a great teacher of Jewish history ,
especially the history of the Holocaust. He was born in Frankfurt am Oder
in Germany in 1923 , and , together with his parents, emigrated to South
Africa in 1937. His experiences of growing up in Germany during the early
stages of the Hitler Reich left an indelible mark in his mind. In 1998, he
published "World On Fire", a work designed to serve as a textbook of
Holocaust history to be used in our schools.He also was regarded as the
foremost authority on German Jewry, and their contribution to SA Jewry.
Franz served on the management of the Eitz Chayim Shul in Berea until it was
forced to close in the late 80's. He was also Chairman of the SA Yad Vashem
Foundation. On his retirement >from education he worked for the SA Board of
Deputies, and proved to be an invaluable link in the massive changes that
took place here when the ANC took power.
Franz Auerbach will be sorely missed by those who were privileged enough to
have known him and to have had him as a friend.


Ronnie Mink
Johannesburg
South Africa

(rmmm@...)


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Dr Franz Auerbach Z'L #southafrica

Ronnie Mink
 

I am sorry to inform members of the South African SIG of the passing of Dr
Franz Auerbach. He passed away on Thursday night , Succot , after a sudden
heart attack.
Franz will be remembered first and foremost as an intrepid opponent of the
Nationalist regime during the awful apartheid years. His exposure of the
evils of apartheid, especially in the field of education are legendary.
Anyone training as a teacher during the 60's and 70's will remember his "The
Power of Prejudice in South African Education" in which he exposed bias and
racism in the teaching of History, languages and cultural subjects.
As a Jew, Franz will be remembered as a great teacher of Jewish history ,
especially the history of the Holocaust. He was born in Frankfurt am Oder
in Germany in 1923 , and , together with his parents, emigrated to South
Africa in 1937. His experiences of growing up in Germany during the early
stages of the Hitler Reich left an indelible mark in his mind. In 1998, he
published "World On Fire", a work designed to serve as a textbook of
Holocaust history to be used in our schools.He also was regarded as the
foremost authority on German Jewry, and their contribution to SA Jewry.
Franz served on the management of the Eitz Chayim Shul in Berea until it was
forced to close in the late 80's. He was also Chairman of the SA Yad Vashem
Foundation. On his retirement >from education he worked for the SA Board of
Deputies, and proved to be an invaluable link in the massive changes that
took place here when the ANC took power.
Franz Auerbach will be sorely missed by those who were privileged enough to
have known him and to have had him as a friend.


Ronnie Mink
Johannesburg
South Africa

(rmmm@...)


R' Saul WAHL, 1545-1617 #rabbinic

Larry Schenker <lpsca@...>
 

WAHL, Saul 1545-1617, Rabbi and 'King For A Night"

Can anyone give me some biographical information about Rabbi Saul
Wahl?

Larry Schenker (Binenbaum)
Owner/Moderator Brest, Belarus Research SIG
Webmaster http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/brest/home.html
Los Angeles, CA USA
Researching - BINENBAUM, FORMAN, WUBACK, GERSHKOVA, SCHENKER,
ABRAM-ICKOWNA
E-mail: lpsca@...
Yahoo! Instant Messenger: lpsca


Rabbi SOLOVEITCHIK of Brest-Litovsk #rabbinic

Nudelman, Sandra [IBD] <sandra.nudelman@...>
 

I was recently told by my grandmother that my great-granmother (on
my grandfather's side), Mata LENSKY (of Lithuania) was married to my
great-grandfather (Avram Mendel NUDELMAN of Kishinev, Moldova) by a
Rabbi SOLOVEITCHIK in the city of Brest-Litovsk, halfway between
their two birthplaces, sometime between 1907 and 1915. According to
my grandmother, the rabbi agreed to marry the two because he was a
relative (either an uncle or cousin) of my great-grandmother, Mata.
I am trying to figure out which Rabbi SOLOVEITCHIK this might have
been, and whether any genelogical records exist for his line so that
I can trace the connection. If you have any information to point me
in the right direction, please let me know.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Sandra Nudelman
mailto:sandra.nudelman@...


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic R' Saul WAHL, 1545-1617 #rabbinic

Larry Schenker <lpsca@...>
 

WAHL, Saul 1545-1617, Rabbi and 'King For A Night"

Can anyone give me some biographical information about Rabbi Saul
Wahl?

Larry Schenker (Binenbaum)
Owner/Moderator Brest, Belarus Research SIG
Webmaster http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/brest/home.html
Los Angeles, CA USA
Researching - BINENBAUM, FORMAN, WUBACK, GERSHKOVA, SCHENKER,
ABRAM-ICKOWNA
E-mail: lpsca@...
Yahoo! Instant Messenger: lpsca


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rabbi SOLOVEITCHIK of Brest-Litovsk #rabbinic

Nudelman, Sandra [IBD] <sandra.nudelman@...>
 

I was recently told by my grandmother that my great-granmother (on
my grandfather's side), Mata LENSKY (of Lithuania) was married to my
great-grandfather (Avram Mendel NUDELMAN of Kishinev, Moldova) by a
Rabbi SOLOVEITCHIK in the city of Brest-Litovsk, halfway between
their two birthplaces, sometime between 1907 and 1915. According to
my grandmother, the rabbi agreed to marry the two because he was a
relative (either an uncle or cousin) of my great-grandmother, Mata.
I am trying to figure out which Rabbi SOLOVEITCHIK this might have
been, and whether any genelogical records exist for his line so that
I can trace the connection. If you have any information to point me
in the right direction, please let me know.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Sandra Nudelman
mailto:sandra.nudelman@...