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Re: LONDON WAS: Nathan (Hamburg) #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

Cary,

I have not found any of the NATHANs you mentioned - yet -
instead I have found some LONDONs...

I the 1803 census of Holstein:
*****************************'
All persons in the household
Holsten, Altona K=F8bstad, , , km153, 2482, FT-1803

Following fields are shown:
Name, Age, Marital status, Position in household, Occupation , Birth place

Ruben ROTHSCHILD, 50, Verheir., Hausvater, Handelt,
Frohdel COHEN, 36, Verheir., Dessen Frau, ,
Heymann COHEN, 75, Verheir., Vater der Frau, Geniesst Armengeld,
Sara LONDON, 70, Verheir., Mutter der Frau,
Riscke COHEN, 34, Unverheir., Schwester der Frau,

So Sara LONDON (born 1733)
is married to Heymann COHEN and they have the daughters
Frohdel and Riscke.
----------------------------------

and also in 1803 but in Schleswig:
**********************************
All persons in the household
sydslesvig, , Schleswig Domsogn, 3.Quartier, , 01-mar, 394 Fremde, FT-1803
Following fields are shown:
Name, Age, Marital status, Position in household, Occupation , Birth place

Philip Holl=E4nder, 56, , , Handelsmann, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Sam: Abr: Warburg, 42, , , Handelsmann, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Hans Hilter, 50, , , Handelsmann aus Breslau, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Daniel Nathan, 40, , , Handelsmann aus S=FCdpreussen, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Lesien Quesl, 36, , , Handelsmann aus Hamburg, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Abrah: London, 30, , , Handelsmann aus Hamburg, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Wulf Samuel Karpelis, 25, , , Handelsmann aus Hamburg, nur zum Dommarkt=
hier,
Alexander Hirsch, 25, , , Handelsmann aus Amsterdam, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Aron Simon, 50, , , Handelsmann aus Altona, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Jac: Hartwig, 67, , , Handelsmann aus Altona, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Elias Salomon, 40, , , Handelsmann aus Hamburg, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Selig Aron, 45, , , Handelsmann aus Altona, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Jacob Samuel, 65, , , Handelsmann aus aus Fridrichstadt, nur zum Dommarkt=20
hier,
Wulf Isaac, 38, , , Handelsmann aus,


In the 1845 census of Copenhagen
********************************

All persons in the household

K=F8benhavn (Staden), Kl=E6debo Kvarter, Krystalgade 58, Baghus, , , 291,=
FT-1845
Following fields are shown:
Name, Age, Marital status, Position in household, Occupation , Birth place

Peter Bruun, 39, Gift, , Snedkersvend, N=E6stved
Marie Petersen, 50, Gift, , Kone, Holte, Sor=F8 Amt
Allexandra Alien Cahott London, 45, Unmarried, , Haandarbeide, Kj=F8benhavn

Alexandra was born in Copenhagen approx. 1800.
Any idea who her parents are?

And in the 1801 Census in Svendborg, Denmark, I found:
******************************************************

All persons in the household

Svendborg, Sallinge, Brahetrolleborg, Gr=F8nderup, , , 14, FT-1801

Following fields are shown:
Name, Age, Marital status, Position in household, Occupation , Birth place

Mr. Christian August Schmidt, 53, Gift, mand, schoolteacher in Gr=F8nderup=
=20
school with med 6td land,
Kirsten Christophersdatter, 29, Gift, wife, ,
Christiane Laurine Schmidt, 7, Ugift, the husbands children, ,
Anne Cathrine Schmidt, 5, Ugift, the husbands children, ,
Sophia Elisa Augusta Schmidt, 3, Ugift,the husbands children, ,
Kirste Dorthea Schmidt, 2, Ugift,the husbands children, ,
Maren Pedersdatter, 31, Ugift, servants, ,
Maria Larsdatter, 16, Ugift, servants, ,
- all the below mentioned are unmarried students lodging with Mr.=
Schmidt:
Hans Christian Poulsen??, 16,
Ole Bang Winge, 15,
Andr=E6as Dichmann, 12,
Julius Dichmann, 8,
Joseph Petersen, 13,
Hans Magnus Jensen, 9,
Nicolay Nyeholm, 12,
Andr=E6as Nyeholm, 9,
Ole Sch=F8th, 13,
Michel v. London, 8,
Ludvig Reumerth, 8,
Niels Jacob Brinch, 12,

That'll be all for now - but I'll keep looking!

Best regards

-------------------------------------------------------
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
Coordinator & webmaster of JewishGen's SCANDINAVIA SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia
http://home.worldonline.dk/~epaikin/
mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk
-------------------------------------------------------

At 02:35 18-12-2004, you wrote:
...snip...
My 8x great grandparents, Rabbi Abraham and Ester Polak NATHAN
(4 above) had four children who all took the last name LONDON (but
may have been called NATHAN also).
1) Liepmann Elieser LONDON was my ancestor. I don't know his wife's
name.
2-4) Aron, Kalman and Moses LONDON. I know nothing about them or their
descendants
....snip...


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Re: LONDON WAS: Nathan (Hamburg) #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

Cary,

I have not found any of the NATHANs you mentioned - yet -
instead I have found some LONDONs...

I the 1803 census of Holstein:
*****************************'
All persons in the household
Holsten, Altona K=F8bstad, , , km153, 2482, FT-1803

Following fields are shown:
Name, Age, Marital status, Position in household, Occupation , Birth place

Ruben ROTHSCHILD, 50, Verheir., Hausvater, Handelt,
Frohdel COHEN, 36, Verheir., Dessen Frau, ,
Heymann COHEN, 75, Verheir., Vater der Frau, Geniesst Armengeld,
Sara LONDON, 70, Verheir., Mutter der Frau,
Riscke COHEN, 34, Unverheir., Schwester der Frau,

So Sara LONDON (born 1733)
is married to Heymann COHEN and they have the daughters
Frohdel and Riscke.
----------------------------------

and also in 1803 but in Schleswig:
**********************************
All persons in the household
sydslesvig, , Schleswig Domsogn, 3.Quartier, , 01-mar, 394 Fremde, FT-1803
Following fields are shown:
Name, Age, Marital status, Position in household, Occupation , Birth place

Philip Holl=E4nder, 56, , , Handelsmann, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Sam: Abr: Warburg, 42, , , Handelsmann, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Hans Hilter, 50, , , Handelsmann aus Breslau, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Daniel Nathan, 40, , , Handelsmann aus S=FCdpreussen, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Lesien Quesl, 36, , , Handelsmann aus Hamburg, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Abrah: London, 30, , , Handelsmann aus Hamburg, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Wulf Samuel Karpelis, 25, , , Handelsmann aus Hamburg, nur zum Dommarkt=
hier,
Alexander Hirsch, 25, , , Handelsmann aus Amsterdam, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Aron Simon, 50, , , Handelsmann aus Altona, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Jac: Hartwig, 67, , , Handelsmann aus Altona, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Elias Salomon, 40, , , Handelsmann aus Hamburg, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Selig Aron, 45, , , Handelsmann aus Altona, nur zum Dommarkt hier,
Jacob Samuel, 65, , , Handelsmann aus aus Fridrichstadt, nur zum Dommarkt=20
hier,
Wulf Isaac, 38, , , Handelsmann aus,


In the 1845 census of Copenhagen
********************************

All persons in the household

K=F8benhavn (Staden), Kl=E6debo Kvarter, Krystalgade 58, Baghus, , , 291,=
FT-1845
Following fields are shown:
Name, Age, Marital status, Position in household, Occupation , Birth place

Peter Bruun, 39, Gift, , Snedkersvend, N=E6stved
Marie Petersen, 50, Gift, , Kone, Holte, Sor=F8 Amt
Allexandra Alien Cahott London, 45, Unmarried, , Haandarbeide, Kj=F8benhavn

Alexandra was born in Copenhagen approx. 1800.
Any idea who her parents are?

And in the 1801 Census in Svendborg, Denmark, I found:
******************************************************

All persons in the household

Svendborg, Sallinge, Brahetrolleborg, Gr=F8nderup, , , 14, FT-1801

Following fields are shown:
Name, Age, Marital status, Position in household, Occupation , Birth place

Mr. Christian August Schmidt, 53, Gift, mand, schoolteacher in Gr=F8nderup=
=20
school with med 6td land,
Kirsten Christophersdatter, 29, Gift, wife, ,
Christiane Laurine Schmidt, 7, Ugift, the husbands children, ,
Anne Cathrine Schmidt, 5, Ugift, the husbands children, ,
Sophia Elisa Augusta Schmidt, 3, Ugift,the husbands children, ,
Kirste Dorthea Schmidt, 2, Ugift,the husbands children, ,
Maren Pedersdatter, 31, Ugift, servants, ,
Maria Larsdatter, 16, Ugift, servants, ,
- all the below mentioned are unmarried students lodging with Mr.=
Schmidt:
Hans Christian Poulsen??, 16,
Ole Bang Winge, 15,
Andr=E6as Dichmann, 12,
Julius Dichmann, 8,
Joseph Petersen, 13,
Hans Magnus Jensen, 9,
Nicolay Nyeholm, 12,
Andr=E6as Nyeholm, 9,
Ole Sch=F8th, 13,
Michel v. London, 8,
Ludvig Reumerth, 8,
Niels Jacob Brinch, 12,

That'll be all for now - but I'll keep looking!

Best regards

-------------------------------------------------------
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
Coordinator & webmaster of JewishGen's SCANDINAVIA SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia
http://home.worldonline.dk/~epaikin/
mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk
-------------------------------------------------------

At 02:35 18-12-2004, you wrote:
...snip...
My 8x great grandparents, Rabbi Abraham and Ester Polak NATHAN
(4 above) had four children who all took the last name LONDON (but
may have been called NATHAN also).
1) Liepmann Elieser LONDON was my ancestor. I don't know his wife's
name.
2-4) Aron, Kalman and Moses LONDON. I know nothing about them or their
descendants
....snip...


Jewish Museum of Florida, Special exhibit - "Jews of Broward County" #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

Jewish Museum of Florida: Collects preserves and interprets the Jewish
experience in Florida.
(Since 1763 - The first Jews settle in Pensacola.)

Special exhibit:
"Jews of Broward County" (Hollywood/Ft. Lauderdale)
through January 30, 2005

Did you know that Jews settled in Broward before it was a county? Or that
Broward's first Jewish congregation which became Temple Emanu-El, had their
first service the evening of the 1926 hurricane? How about the familiar
tragic story of the plight of 937 Jewish refugees aboard the S.S. St. Louis,
who were fleeing the Nazis on the eve of World War II in 1939. Did you know
that Broward County played a role in that disastrous drama? Learn the
surprising answers and other extraordinary facts when you visit the exhibit.
Historic photos, documents and artifacts portray the story of many roles
Jews have played in developing the home of Florida's largest Jewish
population.

The Jewish Museum of Florida
301 Washington Avenue
Miami Beach, Florida 33139

http://www.jewishmuseum.com
305-672-5044

--
Bernard Kouchel
koosh@att.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Museum of Florida, Special exhibit - "Jews of Broward County" #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

Jewish Museum of Florida: Collects preserves and interprets the Jewish
experience in Florida.
(Since 1763 - The first Jews settle in Pensacola.)

Special exhibit:
"Jews of Broward County" (Hollywood/Ft. Lauderdale)
through January 30, 2005

Did you know that Jews settled in Broward before it was a county? Or that
Broward's first Jewish congregation which became Temple Emanu-El, had their
first service the evening of the 1926 hurricane? How about the familiar
tragic story of the plight of 937 Jewish refugees aboard the S.S. St. Louis,
who were fleeing the Nazis on the eve of World War II in 1939. Did you know
that Broward County played a role in that disastrous drama? Learn the
surprising answers and other extraordinary facts when you visit the exhibit.
Historic photos, documents and artifacts portray the story of many roles
Jews have played in developing the home of Florida's largest Jewish
population.

The Jewish Museum of Florida
301 Washington Avenue
Miami Beach, Florida 33139

http://www.jewishmuseum.com
305-672-5044

--
Bernard Kouchel
koosh@att.net


Re: (Belarus) Baby Girls named for Male Relatives #belarus

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

Because I haven't used my Hebrew name in decades, it took this long for me to
remember that I'm named for my maternal grandfather. That family came from
Kovne and then Bobruisk.

I don't recall ever hearing that namesakes had to be of the original's gender.
And there are many Hebrew names for girls that are feminized men's names
according to Anita Diamant's 'Jewish Baby Names Book': Aharona for Aaron, Alona
for Alon, Johanna for Yochanan, Mira for Meir among others. In Yiddish, too:
Hinda or Herzlia for Hersh, for instance.


Michelle Frager, NY area
FRAKT, VULFSON/WOLFSON

MODERATOR NOTE: If the original question is not going to be addressed, the thread is
closed. The inquiry concerned only the custom in Eastern Europe.


Belarus SIG #Belarus re: (Belarus) Baby Girls named for Male Relatives #belarus

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

Because I haven't used my Hebrew name in decades, it took this long for me to
remember that I'm named for my maternal grandfather. That family came from
Kovne and then Bobruisk.

I don't recall ever hearing that namesakes had to be of the original's gender.
And there are many Hebrew names for girls that are feminized men's names
according to Anita Diamant's 'Jewish Baby Names Book': Aharona for Aaron, Alona
for Alon, Johanna for Yochanan, Mira for Meir among others. In Yiddish, too:
Hinda or Herzlia for Hersh, for instance.


Michelle Frager, NY area
FRAKT, VULFSON/WOLFSON

MODERATOR NOTE: If the original question is not going to be addressed, the thread is
closed. The inquiry concerned only the custom in Eastern Europe.


MEYBERG from Eschwege #general

Susan M. Melnick <SMMelnick@...>
 

My paternal grandmother's maiden name was MEYBERG. The family lived in
Eschwege, Germany, until the Holocaust. In the Central Database of
Shoah Victims' Names I found a Hanna MEYBERG, daughter of Max, from
Eschwege. I had not known of her or her father.

The posting was done in 1999 by Khana Shuster. I would like to hear
from her or >from anyone who has information about Meybergs. I can
provide some information about my branch of the family. Please reply
privately.


Susan Melnick
Pittsburgh, PA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen MEYBERG from Eschwege #general

Susan M. Melnick <SMMelnick@...>
 

My paternal grandmother's maiden name was MEYBERG. The family lived in
Eschwege, Germany, until the Holocaust. In the Central Database of
Shoah Victims' Names I found a Hanna MEYBERG, daughter of Max, from
Eschwege. I had not known of her or her father.

The posting was done in 1999 by Khana Shuster. I would like to hear
from her or >from anyone who has information about Meybergs. I can
provide some information about my branch of the family. Please reply
privately.


Susan Melnick
Pittsburgh, PA


SAMURIN to EISENBERG #general

Beyesn@...
 

Genners -

Well aware that most claims of name changes at Ellis Island are myth, my Bayonne,
NJ "EISENBERG" branch's legend that the real name was "SAMURIN" persisted due to
the frustration I was having nailing down ship manifest records and ascertaining
a shtetl. The family legend was that after arriving in America the hadnful or so
of Samurin family members >from Pinsk collectively chose "Eisenberg" for a variety
of reasons.

So I recently gave in to the legend and began searching all the usual resources
under "Samurin" instead of "Eisenberg" and hit on some excellent corroborating
material that suggests that my Bayonne, NJ Eisenbergs really were Samurins!
Best was a 1908 ship manifest showing a Moische Samurin >from Pinsk aboard the
Vaderland >from Antwerp. His listed destination? -- Bayonne, NJ. His listed
relative in the U.S.? -- "Uncle Joseph Eisenberg of Bayonne, NJ." I have also
found a March 2001 discussion archive on genealogy.com where a Susan Pepper
Aisenberg discusses that her Aisenbergs were really Samurins. I am desperately
trying to locate this Susan Pepper Aisenberg to, hopefully, make a connection.

If anyone knows more about the surname "Samurin" (spelling may be different) >from
Pinsk, or if anyone knows Susan Pepper Aisenberg of Massachusetts, I'd love to
hear >from you.

Thanks,
Barry S. Eisenberg
Rockville, Maryland
Searching: EISENBERG, FREEDMAN, GLATTSTEIN (Gladstone), GLASHANDLER (Glazer),
MENKOWITZ/MINKOWITZ, KLIGER, ROTHSTEIN, SAMURIN and UGER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SAMURIN to EISENBERG #general

Beyesn@...
 

Genners -

Well aware that most claims of name changes at Ellis Island are myth, my Bayonne,
NJ "EISENBERG" branch's legend that the real name was "SAMURIN" persisted due to
the frustration I was having nailing down ship manifest records and ascertaining
a shtetl. The family legend was that after arriving in America the hadnful or so
of Samurin family members >from Pinsk collectively chose "Eisenberg" for a variety
of reasons.

So I recently gave in to the legend and began searching all the usual resources
under "Samurin" instead of "Eisenberg" and hit on some excellent corroborating
material that suggests that my Bayonne, NJ Eisenbergs really were Samurins!
Best was a 1908 ship manifest showing a Moische Samurin >from Pinsk aboard the
Vaderland >from Antwerp. His listed destination? -- Bayonne, NJ. His listed
relative in the U.S.? -- "Uncle Joseph Eisenberg of Bayonne, NJ." I have also
found a March 2001 discussion archive on genealogy.com where a Susan Pepper
Aisenberg discusses that her Aisenbergs were really Samurins. I am desperately
trying to locate this Susan Pepper Aisenberg to, hopefully, make a connection.

If anyone knows more about the surname "Samurin" (spelling may be different) >from
Pinsk, or if anyone knows Susan Pepper Aisenberg of Massachusetts, I'd love to
hear >from you.

Thanks,
Barry S. Eisenberg
Rockville, Maryland
Searching: EISENBERG, FREEDMAN, GLATTSTEIN (Gladstone), GLASHANDLER (Glazer),
MENKOWITZ/MINKOWITZ, KLIGER, ROTHSTEIN, SAMURIN and UGER


Oscar JANOVSKY Family #general

Adam Block
 

I am trying to find information about my grandfather Oscar JANOVSKY.

He was born in/near Kiev in 1913, and entered the US in Galveston, TX when
he was approx. 6mths old. He and his mother (Bessie Posner) went to South
Bend, IN, where his father owned a grocery store.

Any assistane would be greatly appreciated.

Adam Block


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Oscar JANOVSKY Family #general

Adam Block
 

I am trying to find information about my grandfather Oscar JANOVSKY.

He was born in/near Kiev in 1913, and entered the US in Galveston, TX when
he was approx. 6mths old. He and his mother (Bessie Posner) went to South
Bend, IN, where his father owned a grocery store.

Any assistane would be greatly appreciated.

Adam Block


One of Many Henry Weiner's in America #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Cousins,

Among the people who attended the 35th anniversary banquet of the Boruch
WOLINSKY Family Circle in 1957 was a Mr. & Mrs. Henry WEINER of XXX 29th
St, Astoria, L.I. (Queens), NY. Does anyone know these people, or their
descendants?

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ

BELKIN (Boguslav, Odessa), BOIM (Zasliai), MELNICK, LIBERMAN ha COHEN,
WEISBERG, AMSEL, TROUBH, KAY (Dvorets, Pinsk, Pochopovo, Montreal), ORLIN
(Boguslaviskis, Vilnius, Vieves, Zasliai), MEREMINSKY, EPSTEIN, HABERMAN,
WOLFOWITZ, ZELIVANSKY (Slonim, Deretchin), WOLINSKY (Boguslav, Odessa,
Alexandria, Palestine), ADELSON (Wysokidwor, Trakai), KABATCHNIK/FINN
(Vilnius), SUHER/SUCHETT (Kovno)

MODERATOR NOTE: The house number was replaced by X's in accordance with
JewishGen's privacy policy.


REINES family #general

Matt Friedman
 

A recent post was seeking information about the
REINES family. Alvin REINES is a professor at the
Hebrew Union College in Cincinatti. He developed a
philsophy of Judaism known as "Polydoxy." I don't
know much about his family history, but you might wish
to contact the American Jewish Archives. You can call
through the HUC switchboard at (816)221-1875. the
website is: americanjewisharchive.org
I don't know if Dr. Reines is still teaching as I
haven't been on campus in over 10 years. Thus, the
Archives would be the best source of info.

Rabbi Matt Friedman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen One of Many Henry Weiner's in America #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Cousins,

Among the people who attended the 35th anniversary banquet of the Boruch
WOLINSKY Family Circle in 1957 was a Mr. & Mrs. Henry WEINER of XXX 29th
St, Astoria, L.I. (Queens), NY. Does anyone know these people, or their
descendants?

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ

BELKIN (Boguslav, Odessa), BOIM (Zasliai), MELNICK, LIBERMAN ha COHEN,
WEISBERG, AMSEL, TROUBH, KAY (Dvorets, Pinsk, Pochopovo, Montreal), ORLIN
(Boguslaviskis, Vilnius, Vieves, Zasliai), MEREMINSKY, EPSTEIN, HABERMAN,
WOLFOWITZ, ZELIVANSKY (Slonim, Deretchin), WOLINSKY (Boguslav, Odessa,
Alexandria, Palestine), ADELSON (Wysokidwor, Trakai), KABATCHNIK/FINN
(Vilnius), SUHER/SUCHETT (Kovno)

MODERATOR NOTE: The house number was replaced by X's in accordance with
JewishGen's privacy policy.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen REINES family #general

Matt Friedman
 

A recent post was seeking information about the
REINES family. Alvin REINES is a professor at the
Hebrew Union College in Cincinatti. He developed a
philsophy of Judaism known as "Polydoxy." I don't
know much about his family history, but you might wish
to contact the American Jewish Archives. You can call
through the HUC switchboard at (816)221-1875. the
website is: americanjewisharchive.org
I don't know if Dr. Reines is still teaching as I
haven't been on campus in over 10 years. Thus, the
Archives would be the best source of info.

Rabbi Matt Friedman


SMUKLER #general

Shuman, Carl H
 

In the Ellis Island ship manifest records, my grandmother, Sophie (Sprintz)
SMUKLER (also variously spelled as "SCHMUKLER" and "SMOOKLER"), is listed
as having come >from the town of "Unrewia." My greatgrandfather, Michel
Smukler, who arrived earlier lists Brisk (Brest Litovsk) as his town of
origin. It has been suggested to me that my grandmother may have actually
come >from the town of Iwye which, according to Shtetl Seekers, appears much
closer to Vilnius and Minsk than Brest Litovsk. Is there any way to
determine why my greatgrandfather and my grandmother would have listed
different towns of origin? Not many years separated their independent
departures and I am virtually certain that my greatgrandfather and my
grandmother lived together before he emigrated. I am trying to find out
where the Smuklers came from, in part, because my grandmother's oldest
brother, Abraham, and his family never left Europe and apparently perished
during the Holocaust. I do not know the name of Abraham's wife or the
names of their children (I believe they had two sons). I would like to be
able to confirm that Abraham and his family indeed perished but have so far
run into a brick wall. My mother, who is 82, tells me that my grandparents
tried desperately to learn of the whereabouts of Abraham and his family
after WWII but never had any success. If it is of any help to those who
may have traced Smuklers/Schmuklers/Smooklers >from Belarus, my
greatgrandmother's name was Nechama and my grandmother's siblings were
Dora, Hershel, Rose (Ruchel), Morris (Moishe), and David.

-Carl H. Shuman
Harrisburg, PA

SEARCHING: SZUMOVITZ/SHUMAN(Zembrov); RYBAK(Zembrov); PAUL/PALL (Anixt);
SMOOKLER/SCHMUKLER/SMUKLER(Brisk/Iwye?)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SMUKLER #general

Shuman, Carl H
 

In the Ellis Island ship manifest records, my grandmother, Sophie (Sprintz)
SMUKLER (also variously spelled as "SCHMUKLER" and "SMOOKLER"), is listed
as having come >from the town of "Unrewia." My greatgrandfather, Michel
Smukler, who arrived earlier lists Brisk (Brest Litovsk) as his town of
origin. It has been suggested to me that my grandmother may have actually
come >from the town of Iwye which, according to Shtetl Seekers, appears much
closer to Vilnius and Minsk than Brest Litovsk. Is there any way to
determine why my greatgrandfather and my grandmother would have listed
different towns of origin? Not many years separated their independent
departures and I am virtually certain that my greatgrandfather and my
grandmother lived together before he emigrated. I am trying to find out
where the Smuklers came from, in part, because my grandmother's oldest
brother, Abraham, and his family never left Europe and apparently perished
during the Holocaust. I do not know the name of Abraham's wife or the
names of their children (I believe they had two sons). I would like to be
able to confirm that Abraham and his family indeed perished but have so far
run into a brick wall. My mother, who is 82, tells me that my grandparents
tried desperately to learn of the whereabouts of Abraham and his family
after WWII but never had any success. If it is of any help to those who
may have traced Smuklers/Schmuklers/Smooklers >from Belarus, my
greatgrandmother's name was Nechama and my grandmother's siblings were
Dora, Hershel, Rose (Ruchel), Morris (Moishe), and David.

-Carl H. Shuman
Harrisburg, PA

SEARCHING: SZUMOVITZ/SHUMAN(Zembrov); RYBAK(Zembrov); PAUL/PALL (Anixt);
SMOOKLER/SCHMUKLER/SMUKLER(Brisk/Iwye?)


Re: Ewa DAG-HORNUNG #lodz #poland

Shirley Flaum <saraella2@...>
 

Dear Uriel,

Unfortunately, I have also been unable to locate your grandmother in the
Lodz ghetto database. She is also not in the fifth volume of “Lodz Names”
(not online as yet). Without the benefit of seeing her entry, it would be
difficult to speculate about her fate.

Major transports >from the Lodz ghetto >from January 1942 through July 1944
went to Chelmno. In August 1944, transports were sent to Auschwitz as part
of the final liquidation of the ghetto. The vast majority of survivors of
the Lodz ghetto were >from among this group of deportees to Auschwitz, those
having been selected for labor and surviving various camps until liberation.
Generally speaking, the majority of western European Jews in the Lodz ghetto
died in or around 1942, having been deported to Chelmno or having died in
the ghetto. You may also want to locate Lodz cemetery records which may
contain further possible information about your grandmother.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Lodz Area Research Group Co-Coordinator
Lodz ShtetLinks Coordinator http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/lodz/

-- Original Message --

Dear LARG researchers,
I view of the most informative response by Shirley Rotbein Flaum to
Alexander Schulenburgs recent posting, I wish to renew my query concerning
my grandmother Ewa DAG-HORNUNG. I have tried to search the Lodz Ghetto
Database according to Shirley's instructions, but unfortunately with no
results. It seems that somehow she had been omitted >from the database.
I know that she has been deported >from Prague to Lodz on 3/4.11.1941 with
transport E/IV. Her ghetto address was Rembrandtstrasse 10.
My question still remains - how do I find out when and to which destination
has she been deported >from Lodz?
I would also be interested to know her flat number at Rembrandstrasse 10,
and if possible, who else did live on that address.
I will much appreciate any information or lead.
Uriel Meretz, Israel
meretz@netvision.net.il


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Re: Ewa DAG-HORNUNG #lodz #poland

Shirley Flaum <saraella2@...>
 

Dear Uriel,

Unfortunately, I have also been unable to locate your grandmother in the
Lodz ghetto database. She is also not in the fifth volume of “Lodz Names”
(not online as yet). Without the benefit of seeing her entry, it would be
difficult to speculate about her fate.

Major transports >from the Lodz ghetto >from January 1942 through July 1944
went to Chelmno. In August 1944, transports were sent to Auschwitz as part
of the final liquidation of the ghetto. The vast majority of survivors of
the Lodz ghetto were >from among this group of deportees to Auschwitz, those
having been selected for labor and surviving various camps until liberation.
Generally speaking, the majority of western European Jews in the Lodz ghetto
died in or around 1942, having been deported to Chelmno or having died in
the ghetto. You may also want to locate Lodz cemetery records which may
contain further possible information about your grandmother.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Lodz Area Research Group Co-Coordinator
Lodz ShtetLinks Coordinator http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/lodz/

-- Original Message --

Dear LARG researchers,
I view of the most informative response by Shirley Rotbein Flaum to
Alexander Schulenburgs recent posting, I wish to renew my query concerning
my grandmother Ewa DAG-HORNUNG. I have tried to search the Lodz Ghetto
Database according to Shirley's instructions, but unfortunately with no
results. It seems that somehow she had been omitted >from the database.
I know that she has been deported >from Prague to Lodz on 3/4.11.1941 with
transport E/IV. Her ghetto address was Rembrandtstrasse 10.
My question still remains - how do I find out when and to which destination
has she been deported >from Lodz?
I would also be interested to know her flat number at Rembrandstrasse 10,
and if possible, who else did live on that address.
I will much appreciate any information or lead.
Uriel Meretz, Israel
meretz@netvision.net.il