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Re: Leaving Odessa... #general

Mervyn Doobov <mdoobov@...>
 

I would like to hear your thoughts about routes to the New World
(but including the UK) >from Odessa in the 1880s. Can we
generalize as to the most popular modes of transport >from Odessa
to a Baltic port? Thanks for your input, Carol Raspler, Delray
Beach, FL
If it's of interest, my grandmother's family moved >from Odessa to
Harbin and, thence, to a newer world (Australia). At the same time, my
mother's step-father, also >from Ukraine, travelled via Yokohama on his
way to the New World but, thankfully, changed his mind and headed
southwards >from there instead.

--
Mervyn Doobov,
Jerusalem, Israel.


Re: Recording "Mixed" Marriages in the Family Tree <Grin> #general

DonnDevine@...
 

Michael Bernet wrote, with tongue in cheek:

<< I have therefore decided to cut all non-Levites >from my tree. Some friends
have suggested I leave Kohanim in the tree because, originally, they were also
Levites. I think, however, that Kohanim are too proud and boastful about their
heritage and, besides, I cannot as a vegetarian endorse Kohanim who ate the
sacrificial flesh in the Temple. >>

and asked:

<<Does anyone think I'm not being fair? >>

Can we allow fairness or objectivity to intrude, if we're really serious
about maintaining the appearance of purity in a recorded family line? < g >

Donn Devine
Wilmington DE


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Leaving Odessa... #general

Mervyn Doobov <mdoobov@...>
 

I would like to hear your thoughts about routes to the New World
(but including the UK) >from Odessa in the 1880s. Can we
generalize as to the most popular modes of transport >from Odessa
to a Baltic port? Thanks for your input, Carol Raspler, Delray
Beach, FL
If it's of interest, my grandmother's family moved >from Odessa to
Harbin and, thence, to a newer world (Australia). At the same time, my
mother's step-father, also >from Ukraine, travelled via Yokohama on his
way to the New World but, thankfully, changed his mind and headed
southwards >from there instead.

--
Mervyn Doobov,
Jerusalem, Israel.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Recording "Mixed" Marriages in the Family Tree <Grin> #general

DonnDevine@...
 

Michael Bernet wrote, with tongue in cheek:

<< I have therefore decided to cut all non-Levites >from my tree. Some friends
have suggested I leave Kohanim in the tree because, originally, they were also
Levites. I think, however, that Kohanim are too proud and boastful about their
heritage and, besides, I cannot as a vegetarian endorse Kohanim who ate the
sacrificial flesh in the Temple. >>

and asked:

<<Does anyone think I'm not being fair? >>

Can we allow fairness or objectivity to intrude, if we're really serious
about maintaining the appearance of purity in a recorded family line? < g >

Donn Devine
Wilmington DE


Re: Jovita BECKER KAUFMAN - Argentine cemetery translation #general

Carlos Glikson
 

Steven Chall wrote in relation to the following Argentine cemetery
information

Jovita BECKER KAUFMAN
Manzana 16
Tablon 803
Sepultura 4
Parte Vieja
Feche 16/12/56
Cemetery Tablada
Steven mentions that the translation of the individual words confuses him.

Manzana, tablon, and sepultura indicate the area or block, the row in that
area/ block, and the tomb in that row.

The cemetery at Tablada was expanded with additional land, and the old and
new parts are called Parte Vieja (old part) and Parte Nueva (new part). The
referred tomb is in the old part.

Feche is really fecha, and means date.(in day/ month/ year format).

Steven also asks if there is a way to find other KAUFMANs buried nearby but
does not mention where he obtained the data from. If it is the AMIA site,
checking KAUFMAN burial information in Tablada cemetery shows information
for tombs in the same "Manzana", including among other records data for
tombs at Manzana/ Tablon/ Sepultura (16 799 47), (16 823 48), and (16 801
2). The latter seems quite close to 16 803 4 - apparently, two rows and two
tombs away.

I have a plan with the "manzanas" location in Tablada cemetery, old part. If
one considers Manzana 16 the center of a group of 9 blocks, the group is
formed by "manzanas" 9, 10, 11; 15, 16, 17; and 21, 22, 23. Steve will also
find KAUFMAN burials in some of those Manzanas.

Hope this helps,

Carlos Glikson
Buenos Aires, Argentina


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jovita BECKER KAUFMAN - Argentine cemetery translation #general

Carlos Glikson
 

Steven Chall wrote in relation to the following Argentine cemetery
information

Jovita BECKER KAUFMAN
Manzana 16
Tablon 803
Sepultura 4
Parte Vieja
Feche 16/12/56
Cemetery Tablada
Steven mentions that the translation of the individual words confuses him.

Manzana, tablon, and sepultura indicate the area or block, the row in that
area/ block, and the tomb in that row.

The cemetery at Tablada was expanded with additional land, and the old and
new parts are called Parte Vieja (old part) and Parte Nueva (new part). The
referred tomb is in the old part.

Feche is really fecha, and means date.(in day/ month/ year format).

Steven also asks if there is a way to find other KAUFMANs buried nearby but
does not mention where he obtained the data from. If it is the AMIA site,
checking KAUFMAN burial information in Tablada cemetery shows information
for tombs in the same "Manzana", including among other records data for
tombs at Manzana/ Tablon/ Sepultura (16 799 47), (16 823 48), and (16 801
2). The latter seems quite close to 16 803 4 - apparently, two rows and two
tombs away.

I have a plan with the "manzanas" location in Tablada cemetery, old part. If
one considers Manzana 16 the center of a group of 9 blocks, the group is
formed by "manzanas" 9, 10, 11; 15, 16, 17; and 21, 22, 23. Steve will also
find KAUFMAN burials in some of those Manzanas.

Hope this helps,

Carlos Glikson
Buenos Aires, Argentina


Joseph, Bessie, Fred or Lillie MARKS #general

Devin and Julia Van Zandt (Home) <sonar230@...>
 

Hello, I am trying to track down some distant relatives, Joseph and his
wife Bessie MARKS, and their children David, Fred and Bessie. Joseph and
Bessie were immigrants >from E. Europe, born between 1835 and 1855, their
children were born in the 1870s and 1880s in Tennessee. I find all
(excluding David) in Denver COL in 1900 and 1910. No sign of them in
either 1880 in Tennessee, or 1920 anywhere. Does anybody have any
information on this family? Can anybody find them on a census? Thank you,


Best regards, Julia VZ sonar230@msn.com


Re: Joint Weddings #general

Avrohom Krauss <krauss@...>
 

While "joint weddings" may (or may not) have been preformed in the same town
amongst members of the same families, is important to note that if they
did, each wedding must have been preformed at a seperate ceremony and not
together, as Jewish Law requires. We may not "mix one simcha (joyous
occassion) with another." Each celebration deserves its own celebration.

Avrohom Krauss
Telz-Stone Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Joseph, Bessie, Fred or Lillie MARKS #general

Devin and Julia Van Zandt (Home) <sonar230@...>
 

Hello, I am trying to track down some distant relatives, Joseph and his
wife Bessie MARKS, and their children David, Fred and Bessie. Joseph and
Bessie were immigrants >from E. Europe, born between 1835 and 1855, their
children were born in the 1870s and 1880s in Tennessee. I find all
(excluding David) in Denver COL in 1900 and 1910. No sign of them in
either 1880 in Tennessee, or 1920 anywhere. Does anybody have any
information on this family? Can anybody find them on a census? Thank you,


Best regards, Julia VZ sonar230@msn.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Joint Weddings #general

Avrohom Krauss <krauss@...>
 

While "joint weddings" may (or may not) have been preformed in the same town
amongst members of the same families, is important to note that if they
did, each wedding must have been preformed at a seperate ceremony and not
together, as Jewish Law requires. We may not "mix one simcha (joyous
occassion) with another." Each celebration deserves its own celebration.

Avrohom Krauss
Telz-Stone Israel


Other Isaac Elchanans Rabbis #general

meir yohanah
 

Dear group,

Besides "Rabbi Isaac Elchanan Spector", is anyone
familiar with any other Rabbis named "Isaac Elchanan"
or a similar name such as "Itsik Elchani" that lived
in Lithuania in the late 19th century?

Sincerely,
Meir Yohanah

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Other Isaac Elchanans Rabbis #general

meir yohanah
 

Dear group,

Besides "Rabbi Isaac Elchanan Spector", is anyone
familiar with any other Rabbis named "Isaac Elchanan"
or a similar name such as "Itsik Elchani" that lived
in Lithuania in the late 19th century?

Sincerely,
Meir Yohanah

MODERATOR NOTE: You should consider posting your message
on RAV-SIG, a forum for those interested in Rabbinic
genealogy or researching rabbinic ancestry within any
geographic area or time period.

RAV-SIG is located at: http://www.jewishgen.org/Rabbinic/


Re: Leaving Odessa... #general

Donald and Sandra Hirschhorn <donsandyh@...>
 

Below, Aaron mentions Constantinople/Istanbul as a stepping stone between
Odessa and the New World.
I don't know if it helps but my mother and her family left their home in
Moscow in about 1920, and went to Constantinople/Istanbul where they lived
for at least a year. My mom and her siblings went to school there. Their
saga continued to Paris and then finally to Naples where they boarded ship
with a Dutch visa! How they got this and why is unknown. Finally, their
manifest indicates they were not going to stay in the U.S. but were going to
continue on to Canada. They remained in the U.S.

Sandra Hirschhorn
Boca Raton, FL
Researching: KARPAY, Minsk; RAFALCZEK, Berezino, Belarus; BRUMER;
Bialystock, Lodz, Poland;
LITWIN, Poland.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Leaving Odessa... #general

Donald and Sandra Hirschhorn <donsandyh@...>
 

Below, Aaron mentions Constantinople/Istanbul as a stepping stone between
Odessa and the New World.
I don't know if it helps but my mother and her family left their home in
Moscow in about 1920, and went to Constantinople/Istanbul where they lived
for at least a year. My mom and her siblings went to school there. Their
saga continued to Paris and then finally to Naples where they boarded ship
with a Dutch visa! How they got this and why is unknown. Finally, their
manifest indicates they were not going to stay in the U.S. but were going to
continue on to Canada. They remained in the U.S.

Sandra Hirschhorn
Boca Raton, FL
Researching: KARPAY, Minsk; RAFALCZEK, Berezino, Belarus; BRUMER;
Bialystock, Lodz, Poland;
LITWIN, Poland.


Re: Red hair, blue eyes and rape #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

there are also blond or redheaded Jews among the Ashkenazi. I
take this one personally --- I have red hair and blue eyes --- and
my parents both had brown eyes and brown hair.

Barbara Zimmer
Dear Barbara

Are you by any chance of Austrian-jewish extraction? Blue eyes and
red hair were quite common among the Viennese Jews >from whom my
husband is descended.

I've heard a theory that Jewish males first married blond blue eyed
women when they (the Jewish men) were in the Roman army that moved
westward and northward into what is now Germany during the early
centuries C.E..

Judith Romney Wegner.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Red hair, blue eyes and rape #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

there are also blond or redheaded Jews among the Ashkenazi. I
take this one personally --- I have red hair and blue eyes --- and
my parents both had brown eyes and brown hair.

Barbara Zimmer
Dear Barbara

Are you by any chance of Austrian-jewish extraction? Blue eyes and
red hair were quite common among the Viennese Jews >from whom my
husband is descended.

I've heard a theory that Jewish males first married blond blue eyed
women when they (the Jewish men) were in the Roman army that moved
westward and northward into what is now Germany during the early
centuries C.E..

Judith Romney Wegner.


Sisters, Separated by the Holocaust, Reunite After 61 Years #hungary

Bobby Furst <bobby1st@...>
 

Sisters, Separated by the Holocaust, Reunite After 61 Years via
survivor testimonies filed with Yad Vashem.

Sisters separated in Budapest came through the chaos of the end of the war against the Nazis,
the death marches and the refugee camps; both came to Israel in 1948 and
raised families, 45 miles apart. Both thought they were sole survivors.


See the entire in Feb 6 2005 NY Times article at
http://tinyurl.com/5rxlx


Hungary SIG #Hungary Sisters, Separated by the Holocaust, Reunite After 61 Years #hungary

Bobby Furst <bobby1st@...>
 

Sisters, Separated by the Holocaust, Reunite After 61 Years via
survivor testimonies filed with Yad Vashem.

Sisters separated in Budapest came through the chaos of the end of the war against the Nazis,
the death marches and the refugee camps; both came to Israel in 1948 and
raised families, 45 miles apart. Both thought they were sole survivors.


See the entire in Feb 6 2005 NY Times article at
http://tinyurl.com/5rxlx


Re: Liberty Lodge #hungary

Herb <herbiem@...>
 

One of the TB sanatoriums was in Liberty NY. I believe it was operated
by the Jewish Consumptive Relief Society. I do not know if this is
connected with the Liberty Lodge.
Herb Meyers
Boulder, CO
herbiem@mindspring.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Teresa Delikat" <flott_genealogy@yahoo.com>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:30 AM
Subject: Re:[h-sig] Liberty Lodge


Diane,

Did a quick search on google using "Liberty Lodge" NY
and found that it is an Elks Lodge. There were many
"hits" when I searched.

Liberty Elks Lodge 1545

Meet every second & fourth Wednesdays at Meeting
Directions: 21 John Street Liberty NY
Telephone number is (914) 292-3434.

Lodge: (845)292-3434

Teresa

--- H-SIG digest <h-sig@lyris.jewis
Subject: Liberty Lodge
From: Diane Rabson <dmrabson@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:23:42 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 2

My great-grandparents and a great-uncle are buried
in
Montefiore Cemetery in Queens, NY. They are in the
"Liberty Lodge" section. Has anyone ever heard of
this group?

Thanks!

Diane Rabson
Boulder, Colorado

Searching:
STRAUSLER, Tallye, Godollo, Tokaj, Brooklyn
COHEN, NEUMAN, Tokaj, Satoraljaujhely


Re: Liberty Lodge #hungary

ARGould21@...
 

There is a Young Men's Liberty Association section in The Talmud Torah
Cemetery in Newark, NJ. Unfortunately, i do not know anything about it except that
it was started in 1898.
Alice Gould
West Caldwell, NJ