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Re: "Jarulewro": Is this a Town? #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

<HeyJudy123@aol.com> wrote:
Almost certainly, my grandfather and his brother had come >from somewhere that
had been part of the "Grand Duchy of Lithuania" during Czarist times, as they
were very proud of being Litvaks.
I think it important to understand that the Grand Duchy of Lithuania ceased to
exist under that name when the last of its lands came under Russian control as a
result of the 17th century Partitions of Poland and the Napoleonic Wars that
followed soon after. So saying that someone had a connection to the Grand Duchy
"during Czarist times" can be subtly misleading. When Czarist times rolled over
those lands, the Grand Duchy ceased to exist. Jews saw themselves as Litvaks
based on a larger geographic extent for Lithuania than remained during Czarist
times.

The Grand Duchy of Lithuania had a very large territory, and at one point extended
from the Baltic to the Black Sea.
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY


Redemption of Jewish Colonial Trust Certificates #general

NFatouros@...
 

I would appreciate learning about the experiences Jewishgenners have had in
attempting to redeem their relatives' old Jewish Colonial Trust Certificates.
Probably anyone who wishes to respond should do so in a private email.

I have started making claims to some certificates which I believe were purchased
by some of my long-deceased relatives. I am not sure whether the names I was told
of by the JCT and those I found at the JCT website are those of my relatives, but
without more information >from the JCT, I cannot be sure, and do not want to claim
money to which I may not be entitled.

I have some questions as to how complicated it is to cash them in. (I need the
money!)

How closely related does one have to be to the persons whose names are on
certificates? Is there any way of finding out the full name of the person on the
certificate?

Are the dates, names and addresses of the purchasers entered on the certificates
themselves, or were they entered in some ledger? I assume that preference given to
claimants who are next-of kin, but would a claim of "nearest of kin" suffice when
all known relatives are dead, left left no issue? Is nearest-of-kin determined
exclusively through a blood relationship to the purchaser even though he or she
may be demonstrably a cousin? May a "nearest of kin" claim be based on one's
blood relative's marriage into another family where there are no known survivors?.
What proofs of death and kinship must one present to the Jewish Colonial Trust,
Ltd.?

One Jewishgenner wrote to this group that when he contacted the JCT she was told
that her relative had bought certificates in different years. But so far, my
contacts with the JCT have not been so enlightening, even though recently a JCT
representative took the trouble as assumed the expense of telephoning me but our
conversation was very brief, as have been the JCT's emails. and I did not think
quickly of all the questions I wanted to ask, nor question him on one of his
statements. Before I write another email to the JCT I would like to be better
prepared than I was when the JCT first contacted me, when I responded, and when I
spoke to the representative on the telephone.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev, Kiev;
ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY,
Ostryna.
***
MODERATOR NOTE: Naomi has wisely requested private responses. Perhaps Naomi can
post a summary of what she learns to the group.


Anne Margrethe MEYER #general

Mark James <mark@...>
 

My name is Mark James and I live in Vancouver , Canada.
My wife Alana converted to Judaism 20 years ago . We have 4 children who are now
all teenagers. It has recently come to our attention that Ali's maternal
grandmother may have been Jewish. I was hoping that someone in your department
could help me or if not at least direct me to someone who could.
The information that I have is as follows

Anne Margrethe MEYER
born June 7 1907
adopted around 3 years old
parents Ingeborg( nee Otto) died 1921 and Ernst Meyer died 1932... we think its
possible that the Meyer's had a daughter born prior to Anne's adoption who had
died at a very young age.
Ingeborg had a sister named Helge KORNBECK ( nee otto) who died 1942, we think
that they possibly had 2 children a girl and boy born late 1800's Anne married a
Ernst William LEVYSOHN in a civil service on April 25 1931 , he was born feb 28
1886... we are certain that Levysohn was Jewish. any help that you can offer would
be greatly appreciated as this is a very important matter to our family
sincerely
Mark James


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Jarulewro": Is this a Town? #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

<HeyJudy123@aol.com> wrote:
Almost certainly, my grandfather and his brother had come >from somewhere that
had been part of the "Grand Duchy of Lithuania" during Czarist times, as they
were very proud of being Litvaks.
I think it important to understand that the Grand Duchy of Lithuania ceased to
exist under that name when the last of its lands came under Russian control as a
result of the 17th century Partitions of Poland and the Napoleonic Wars that
followed soon after. So saying that someone had a connection to the Grand Duchy
"during Czarist times" can be subtly misleading. When Czarist times rolled over
those lands, the Grand Duchy ceased to exist. Jews saw themselves as Litvaks
based on a larger geographic extent for Lithuania than remained during Czarist
times.

The Grand Duchy of Lithuania had a very large territory, and at one point extended
from the Baltic to the Black Sea.
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Redemption of Jewish Colonial Trust Certificates #general

NFatouros@...
 

I would appreciate learning about the experiences Jewishgenners have had in
attempting to redeem their relatives' old Jewish Colonial Trust Certificates.
Probably anyone who wishes to respond should do so in a private email.

I have started making claims to some certificates which I believe were purchased
by some of my long-deceased relatives. I am not sure whether the names I was told
of by the JCT and those I found at the JCT website are those of my relatives, but
without more information >from the JCT, I cannot be sure, and do not want to claim
money to which I may not be entitled.

I have some questions as to how complicated it is to cash them in. (I need the
money!)

How closely related does one have to be to the persons whose names are on
certificates? Is there any way of finding out the full name of the person on the
certificate?

Are the dates, names and addresses of the purchasers entered on the certificates
themselves, or were they entered in some ledger? I assume that preference given to
claimants who are next-of kin, but would a claim of "nearest of kin" suffice when
all known relatives are dead, left left no issue? Is nearest-of-kin determined
exclusively through a blood relationship to the purchaser even though he or she
may be demonstrably a cousin? May a "nearest of kin" claim be based on one's
blood relative's marriage into another family where there are no known survivors?.
What proofs of death and kinship must one present to the Jewish Colonial Trust,
Ltd.?

One Jewishgenner wrote to this group that when he contacted the JCT she was told
that her relative had bought certificates in different years. But so far, my
contacts with the JCT have not been so enlightening, even though recently a JCT
representative took the trouble as assumed the expense of telephoning me but our
conversation was very brief, as have been the JCT's emails. and I did not think
quickly of all the questions I wanted to ask, nor question him on one of his
statements. Before I write another email to the JCT I would like to be better
prepared than I was when the JCT first contacted me, when I responded, and when I
spoke to the representative on the telephone.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev, Kiev;
ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY,
Ostryna.
***
MODERATOR NOTE: Naomi has wisely requested private responses. Perhaps Naomi can
post a summary of what she learns to the group.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Anne Margrethe MEYER #general

Mark James <mark@...>
 

My name is Mark James and I live in Vancouver , Canada.
My wife Alana converted to Judaism 20 years ago . We have 4 children who are now
all teenagers. It has recently come to our attention that Ali's maternal
grandmother may have been Jewish. I was hoping that someone in your department
could help me or if not at least direct me to someone who could.
The information that I have is as follows

Anne Margrethe MEYER
born June 7 1907
adopted around 3 years old
parents Ingeborg( nee Otto) died 1921 and Ernst Meyer died 1932... we think its
possible that the Meyer's had a daughter born prior to Anne's adoption who had
died at a very young age.
Ingeborg had a sister named Helge KORNBECK ( nee otto) who died 1942, we think
that they possibly had 2 children a girl and boy born late 1800's Anne married a
Ernst William LEVYSOHN in a civil service on April 25 1931 , he was born feb 28
1886... we are certain that Levysohn was Jewish. any help that you can offer would
be greatly appreciated as this is a very important matter to our family
sincerely
Mark James


Locating Relatives in Canada #general

Alan Greenberg
 

I am seeking LIPKIN family descendants in Canada famlies ZEITLIN(Montreal) and
SIMMONS (Toronto). If any family members read this, please contact me at
<alancomm@netmedia.net.il>.

Thank you

Abraham Goldberg
I have answered Abraham directly, but since questions of this sort come up
regularly, I thought I would also post a general reply.

For relatively uncommon names, a good place to start is the Canadian online
telephone directory - http://canada411.ca. In this case, if you look for people
with names starting with ZAITL and ZEITL, there are several potential entries of
interest.

For Montreal, there are several more options. The Jewish Genealogical Society of
Montreal holds a large number of vital records which are otherwise not available.
As birth records go up to 1942, it is often possible to find pointers to
still-living relatives. Further details can be found at
http://jgs-montreal.org/vital.

Lastly, there is a guide to locating burials at
http://jgs-montreal.org/burials.html. For burials since the 1950s, it is common
for families to annually pay for flowers on the graves, and the cemetery may be
able to put you in touch with the family that is maintaining the grave.

Alan Greenberg
Montreal, Canada


Ellis Island -- Missing Voyage? #general

Dubin, David M. MD
 

Hi,
After a long wait I recently got my grandfather's "first papers" listing his
arrival on the ship "Vaderland" on August 4 (boarding? in Antwerp) or August 10
(disembarking? in New York), 1908. however, his name does not appear on the Ellis
Island website, yet the Vaderland manifest >from August 31, 1908 is on the website.
(No, my grandfather with the unfortunately common name of Isidore KATZ, born 1889
in Pultusk, Poland, does not appear in the index at all.)

1- is it possible that the Vaderland made 2 crossings in one month?
2- is it possible that the manifest >from one voyage is not listed on the website,
yet the next, a few weeks later, appears?
3- if the answers to both 1 & 2 are "yes," how might i find the manifest, thereby
finding his mother's info (they came together according to family lore)?

Thank you all.

David Dubin
Teaneck, NJ

researching: LINK, GESTETNER, KATZ (Pultusk, Poland), WEISSTUCH, HALPERN
(Vladimir Volynski, Ukraine), & more


From East End (London) to Russia 1914/1919 #general

laurentduguet <laurentduguet@...>
 

My grandfather Abraham VALGER (1894-1962) went in East End at Mr VOLFF's home in
1914/1915. He went there >from France and left after in Russia to participate for
the Russian revolution, until 1919. At this moment he was in Odessa. I have no
documents for this period. Is anybody know where I can find documents, books about
this period ? Is it possible to find anything about this period or about people
there ?
thank you.
Regards
Laurent Duguet


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Locating Relatives in Canada #general

Alan Greenberg
 

I am seeking LIPKIN family descendants in Canada famlies ZEITLIN(Montreal) and
SIMMONS (Toronto). If any family members read this, please contact me at
<alancomm@netmedia.net.il>.

Thank you

Abraham Goldberg
I have answered Abraham directly, but since questions of this sort come up
regularly, I thought I would also post a general reply.

For relatively uncommon names, a good place to start is the Canadian online
telephone directory - http://canada411.ca. In this case, if you look for people
with names starting with ZAITL and ZEITL, there are several potential entries of
interest.

For Montreal, there are several more options. The Jewish Genealogical Society of
Montreal holds a large number of vital records which are otherwise not available.
As birth records go up to 1942, it is often possible to find pointers to
still-living relatives. Further details can be found at
http://jgs-montreal.org/vital.

Lastly, there is a guide to locating burials at
http://jgs-montreal.org/burials.html. For burials since the 1950s, it is common
for families to annually pay for flowers on the graves, and the cemetery may be
able to put you in touch with the family that is maintaining the grave.

Alan Greenberg
Montreal, Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ellis Island -- Missing Voyage? #general

Dubin, David M. MD
 

Hi,
After a long wait I recently got my grandfather's "first papers" listing his
arrival on the ship "Vaderland" on August 4 (boarding? in Antwerp) or August 10
(disembarking? in New York), 1908. however, his name does not appear on the Ellis
Island website, yet the Vaderland manifest >from August 31, 1908 is on the website.
(No, my grandfather with the unfortunately common name of Isidore KATZ, born 1889
in Pultusk, Poland, does not appear in the index at all.)

1- is it possible that the Vaderland made 2 crossings in one month?
2- is it possible that the manifest >from one voyage is not listed on the website,
yet the next, a few weeks later, appears?
3- if the answers to both 1 & 2 are "yes," how might i find the manifest, thereby
finding his mother's info (they came together according to family lore)?

Thank you all.

David Dubin
Teaneck, NJ

researching: LINK, GESTETNER, KATZ (Pultusk, Poland), WEISSTUCH, HALPERN
(Vladimir Volynski, Ukraine), & more


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen From East End (London) to Russia 1914/1919 #general

laurentduguet <laurentduguet@...>
 

My grandfather Abraham VALGER (1894-1962) went in East End at Mr VOLFF's home in
1914/1915. He went there >from France and left after in Russia to participate for
the Russian revolution, until 1919. At this moment he was in Odessa. I have no
documents for this period. Is anybody know where I can find documents, books about
this period ? Is it possible to find anything about this period or about people
there ?
thank you.
Regards
Laurent Duguet


Re: banned names #general

MBernet@...
 

I had written

==I believe that France has/had a similar policy, allowing a person to have
only biblical names, names of Catholic saints, and a few native ones.
Naturally, Jews gave their children one of the approved names for registration,
and their choice of names for the home and for the synagogue.
In a message dated 4/3/2005 11:11:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tagger@actcom.co.il writes:
----->
Sorry, such a situation did not happen in France during the years of the "Laws
for the Jews" application (Statuts des Juifs) in 1940-1944.

==Nothing to be sorry about that! Mathilde.

==But I wasn't writing about wartime nor about laws against specifically Jewish
names. As far as I know, France for many years had a list of what first names may
be registered for a French newborn, of any or no religion. For all I know, that
law is still in force. That means that the fanciful names like King Michael II,
MorningDove, Rainbow, and Thunderclap, once favored by American rockers and
hippies, would not be acceptable under this French law. Nor would Moish (but
Moise's OK), Yankl (but Jacque's OK), or Yente (but Gentile's OK)

==Similarly, I believe that many registrars of birth in the USA are instructed
not to accept first names like Stinkwort, Ugliness, or Armpit.

==In brief, there are names that are shunned by those of good taste or common
sense, and others that are banned by the state or the county

Michael Bernet, New York


Holocaust Survivors from Calarasi, Bessarabia, Romania #general

Suzy Lampert <suzylampert@...>
 

Can anyone tell me...if someone >from Calarasi, Bessarabia, Romania (now Karalash,
Moldova) survived the Holocaust, where would he likely have gone after the War? I
know that the relatives I am searching for are not in Moldova (their names were
searched through HESED).

Thank you.

Suzy Lampert
Dallas, Texas USA
suzylampert@hotmail.com

Searching: STICKLER/STICLAR; BERLATCHI/BARLATCHY (or some spelling thereof);
SHAPIRO/SCHAPIRO all >from Calarasi, Bessarabia, Romania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: banned names #general

MBernet@...
 

I had written

==I believe that France has/had a similar policy, allowing a person to have
only biblical names, names of Catholic saints, and a few native ones.
Naturally, Jews gave their children one of the approved names for registration,
and their choice of names for the home and for the synagogue.
In a message dated 4/3/2005 11:11:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tagger@actcom.co.il writes:
----->
Sorry, such a situation did not happen in France during the years of the "Laws
for the Jews" application (Statuts des Juifs) in 1940-1944.

==Nothing to be sorry about that! Mathilde.

==But I wasn't writing about wartime nor about laws against specifically Jewish
names. As far as I know, France for many years had a list of what first names may
be registered for a French newborn, of any or no religion. For all I know, that
law is still in force. That means that the fanciful names like King Michael II,
MorningDove, Rainbow, and Thunderclap, once favored by American rockers and
hippies, would not be acceptable under this French law. Nor would Moish (but
Moise's OK), Yankl (but Jacque's OK), or Yente (but Gentile's OK)

==Similarly, I believe that many registrars of birth in the USA are instructed
not to accept first names like Stinkwort, Ugliness, or Armpit.

==In brief, there are names that are shunned by those of good taste or common
sense, and others that are banned by the state or the county

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Holocaust Survivors from Calarasi, Bessarabia, Romania #general

Suzy Lampert <suzylampert@...>
 

Can anyone tell me...if someone >from Calarasi, Bessarabia, Romania (now Karalash,
Moldova) survived the Holocaust, where would he likely have gone after the War? I
know that the relatives I am searching for are not in Moldova (their names were
searched through HESED).

Thank you.

Suzy Lampert
Dallas, Texas USA
suzylampert@hotmail.com

Searching: STICKLER/STICLAR; BERLATCHI/BARLATCHY (or some spelling thereof);
SHAPIRO/SCHAPIRO all >from Calarasi, Bessarabia, Romania


Ships' Pictures #general

Joseph Fibel <JFibel@...>
 

To JGDG

Sandy Hirschorn asked about a picture of the ship "State of Nebraska". In
general, if you find the manifest on the Ellis Island Data Base you can order a
picture through that site.

In addition, there is an excellent book called Ships of Our Ancestors by Michael J
Anuta which has a picture of this vessel along with some 1,000 other pictures of
ships that came to these shores carrying immigrants. However, this ship is listed
as being owned (or operated) by the State Line British and other "State of ...."
ships as being owned by the State Steamship Line Ltd., which may be a company
associated with the London and Glasgow Line. This book, published by the
Genealogical Publishing Co. is worthwhile to own for anyone doing continuing and
intensive genealogical research.

Joe Fibel
New Rochelle, NY


Thanks re Bessie and Chicago resources #general

Ruth Hyman <ruth.hyman@...>
 

Dear cousins,
Thanks to all those who responded about the name Bessie. I wish I could report
that I've found something but I haven't. So many people responded that I fear I
could not reply to everyone. The resources some of you suggested about Chicago in
general have been invaluable.
Thanks,
Ruth Hyman
Rockville Centre, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ships' Pictures #general

Joseph Fibel <JFibel@...>
 

To JGDG

Sandy Hirschorn asked about a picture of the ship "State of Nebraska". In
general, if you find the manifest on the Ellis Island Data Base you can order a
picture through that site.

In addition, there is an excellent book called Ships of Our Ancestors by Michael J
Anuta which has a picture of this vessel along with some 1,000 other pictures of
ships that came to these shores carrying immigrants. However, this ship is listed
as being owned (or operated) by the State Line British and other "State of ...."
ships as being owned by the State Steamship Line Ltd., which may be a company
associated with the London and Glasgow Line. This book, published by the
Genealogical Publishing Co. is worthwhile to own for anyone doing continuing and
intensive genealogical research.

Joe Fibel
New Rochelle, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thanks re Bessie and Chicago resources #general

Ruth Hyman <ruth.hyman@...>
 

Dear cousins,
Thanks to all those who responded about the name Bessie. I wish I could report
that I've found something but I haven't. So many people responded that I fear I
could not reply to everyone. The resources some of you suggested about Chicago in
general have been invaluable.
Thanks,
Ruth Hyman
Rockville Centre, NY