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Re: Who lived in the shetls? #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

In article < 200504150607318.SM03016@yourvp7x3s9ctm >,
John and Tereasa Lenius < jtlenius@butler-bremer.com > wrote:

Perhaps this is a silly question, but, did only Jews live in the Shetls
found using the Shetl seeker? I know that my Great grandfather and all of
his brothers were born in a Nowa Wies (which one I don't know). I know
absolutely nothing about these villages.
First of all, the Shtetl Seeker doesn't find only shtetls, but all sorts
of places >from the smallest village to the largest city. And the word
"shtetl" is often used loosely to refer to all sorts of places. In
Eastern European Yiddish, a shtetl was a small town, with perhaps
a few thousand people, as distinct >from a village which would be called a
"dorf", and a city which would be a "shtot". As for your first question:
No, not only Jews lived there, although Jews might have made up a large
fraction of the population.

Robert Israel
israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Who lived in the shetls? #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

In article < 200504150607318.SM03016@yourvp7x3s9ctm >,
John and Tereasa Lenius < jtlenius@butler-bremer.com > wrote:

Perhaps this is a silly question, but, did only Jews live in the Shetls
found using the Shetl seeker? I know that my Great grandfather and all of
his brothers were born in a Nowa Wies (which one I don't know). I know
absolutely nothing about these villages.
First of all, the Shtetl Seeker doesn't find only shtetls, but all sorts
of places >from the smallest village to the largest city. And the word
"shtetl" is often used loosely to refer to all sorts of places. In
Eastern European Yiddish, a shtetl was a small town, with perhaps
a few thousand people, as distinct >from a village which would be called a
"dorf", and a city which would be a "shtot". As for your first question:
No, not only Jews lived there, although Jews might have made up a large
fraction of the population.

Robert Israel
israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada
Jewish U.S. Military RECORDS #general

robert roudman <rcroudman@...>
 

My father in law received 5 Bronze Stars for combat in World War II.
Unfortunately, I did not discover this until I located his Army papers
long after his passing. He never spoke a word of these awards. Noting
that many service records burned in 1970, is there another location in
which military honors were recorded? I would like to get the when, where
and how of his awards.

Edward Stern
I would also like to know about this. My uncle was shot in the tear duct a
few days before 11/11 1918, on the Western Front, and was on disability for
the wound the rest of his life, but he claimed he never got any medals--I
was thinking about the purple heart. The wound is mentioned--date and
engagement--in his discharge papers, which I have. He was bitter about the
war and Wilson's promises, so maybe he never applied, but I would like to
find out about it.
Also, are the unit histories available anywhere? Officers were supposed to
write up every engagement, so I've always hoped it would be possible to
read about the actions that relatives participated in (their units are
mentioned in the discharge paper). Another uncle claimed he only guarded
prisoners, but at the same time he was gassed. WW I veterans, who are
mostly gone now, were always reluctant to talk about their experiences.

Jules Levin
---

A possible source of information would be American Jewish Committee, Office
of War. Records, 1918-1921....

http://www.cjh.org/academic/findingaids/AJHS/searchtools/search_ajc_form.cfm

Also the National Museum of American Jewish Military...

http://www.nmajmh.org/

Also one may write to "National Personnel Records Center, Military Personnel
Records, 9700 PageAvenue, St. Louis, MO 63132-5100, And for additional
information visit: www.nara.gov/regional/mpr.html

Good Luck
Bob Roudman
San Rafael, CA
MILLNER, RUDMAN, KRUTANSKY, CHALIK
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish U.S. Military RECORDS #general

robert roudman <rcroudman@...>
 

My father in law received 5 Bronze Stars for combat in World War II.
Unfortunately, I did not discover this until I located his Army papers
long after his passing. He never spoke a word of these awards. Noting
that many service records burned in 1970, is there another location in
which military honors were recorded? I would like to get the when, where
and how of his awards.

Edward Stern
I would also like to know about this. My uncle was shot in the tear duct a
few days before 11/11 1918, on the Western Front, and was on disability for
the wound the rest of his life, but he claimed he never got any medals--I
was thinking about the purple heart. The wound is mentioned--date and
engagement--in his discharge papers, which I have. He was bitter about the
war and Wilson's promises, so maybe he never applied, but I would like to
find out about it.
Also, are the unit histories available anywhere? Officers were supposed to
write up every engagement, so I've always hoped it would be possible to
read about the actions that relatives participated in (their units are
mentioned in the discharge paper). Another uncle claimed he only guarded
prisoners, but at the same time he was gassed. WW I veterans, who are
mostly gone now, were always reluctant to talk about their experiences.

Jules Levin
---

A possible source of information would be American Jewish Committee, Office
of War. Records, 1918-1921....

http://www.cjh.org/academic/findingaids/AJHS/searchtools/search_ajc_form.cfm

Also the National Museum of American Jewish Military...

http://www.nmajmh.org/

Also one may write to "National Personnel Records Center, Military Personnel
Records, 9700 PageAvenue, St. Louis, MO 63132-5100, And for additional
information visit: www.nara.gov/regional/mpr.html

Good Luck
Bob Roudman
San Rafael, CA
MILLNER, RUDMAN, KRUTANSKY, CHALIK
Finding a shtetl #general

Elliot Fishman <elliotf@...>
 

I'm trying to find a shtetl called Valinsky. It is either in the Bialystok
area or in Grodno. If anyone can help me; contact me at:
elliotf@earthlink.net. Thanks

MODERATOR NOTE: Use the JewishGen ShtetlSeeker to locate Valinsky. ShtetlSeeker
is located at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/
LatviaSIG luncheon at IAJGS Conference #latvia

C&V <proprius@...>
 

Somehow I thought there had been an announcement of the Latvia
SIG luncheon on the Thursday of the IAJGS Conference in Las Vegas. When
I tried to include it in my registration for the conference, I was told
by e-mail that there is no Latvia luncheon.
Is there a Latvia luncheon scheduled? If so, when is it?
Thanks,
Cynthia Spikell
proprius@alltel.net
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Finding a shtetl #general

Elliot Fishman <elliotf@...>
 

I'm trying to find a shtetl called Valinsky. It is either in the Bialystok
area or in Grodno. If anyone can help me; contact me at:
elliotf@earthlink.net. Thanks

MODERATOR NOTE: Use the JewishGen ShtetlSeeker to locate Valinsky. ShtetlSeeker
is located at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/
Latvia SIG #Latvia LatviaSIG luncheon at IAJGS Conference #latvia

C&V <proprius@...>
 

Somehow I thought there had been an announcement of the Latvia
SIG luncheon on the Thursday of the IAJGS Conference in Las Vegas. When
I tried to include it in my registration for the conference, I was told
by e-mail that there is no Latvia luncheon.
Is there a Latvia luncheon scheduled? If so, when is it?
Thanks,
Cynthia Spikell
proprius@alltel.net
Re: Who lived in the shetls? #general

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

Dear Tereasa:

There's only one silly question: the one you don't ask.

As far as I can tell, the ShtetlSeeker is a directory of every town,
village, and wide place in the road in all those countries. A
gazetteer, really.

There were some villages populated entirely or almost entirely by Jews,
but those were not the rule everywhere. In Poland and elsewhere, it
could be that there were only one or two Jewish families in a village.
In many cases one of these was the local innkeeper. The feudal lords
had a monopoly on acohol sale and production, and would license taverns,
etc. The licensee would pay a certain amount for the right to make or
sell beer or booze, and could keep the rest. Jews were often preferred
as license-holders, not least because they could generally read, write,
and keep accounts. Also, they were socially not part of the community,
which made it easier for them to keep a more, um, professional
relationship with their customers. (And when it was time for a
temperance drive, they made excellent scapegoats...)

Good luck!

Roger Lustig
Descendant of more than one of those "Arrendators"

John and Tereasa Lenius wrote:

Perhaps this is a silly question, but, did only Jews live in the Shetls
found using the Shetl seeker? I know that my Great grandfather and all of
his brothers were born in a Nowa Wies (which one I don't know). I know
absolutely nothing about these villages. Also, I would like to thank all of
you who have answered my previous message. It is wonderful to know that
people are willing to help. Thank you again.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Who lived in the shetls? #general

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

Dear Tereasa:

There's only one silly question: the one you don't ask.

As far as I can tell, the ShtetlSeeker is a directory of every town,
village, and wide place in the road in all those countries. A
gazetteer, really.

There were some villages populated entirely or almost entirely by Jews,
but those were not the rule everywhere. In Poland and elsewhere, it
could be that there were only one or two Jewish families in a village.
In many cases one of these was the local innkeeper. The feudal lords
had a monopoly on acohol sale and production, and would license taverns,
etc. The licensee would pay a certain amount for the right to make or
sell beer or booze, and could keep the rest. Jews were often preferred
as license-holders, not least because they could generally read, write,
and keep accounts. Also, they were socially not part of the community,
which made it easier for them to keep a more, um, professional
relationship with their customers. (And when it was time for a
temperance drive, they made excellent scapegoats...)

Good luck!

Roger Lustig
Descendant of more than one of those "Arrendators"

John and Tereasa Lenius wrote:

Perhaps this is a silly question, but, did only Jews live in the Shetls
found using the Shetl seeker? I know that my Great grandfather and all of
his brothers were born in a Nowa Wies (which one I don't know). I know
absolutely nothing about these villages. Also, I would like to thank all of
you who have answered my previous message. It is wonderful to know that
people are willing to help. Thank you again.
Hattie LEVI Los Angeles obituary lookup #general

Jim Bennett <bennett@...>
 

Hattie LEVI died in Los Angeles on 16 October 1970 at the age of 100.
Her husband Julius B. LEVI died there on 29 March 1940.

Can anyone find their obituaries and send them to me?
I'm searching for their descendants.

Jim Bennett
Haifa
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hattie LEVI Los Angeles obituary lookup #general

Jim Bennett <bennett@...>
 

Hattie LEVI died in Los Angeles on 16 October 1970 at the age of 100.
Her husband Julius B. LEVI died there on 29 March 1940.

Can anyone find their obituaries and send them to me?
I'm searching for their descendants.

Jim Bennett
Haifa
Re: Abigail KATZENELENBOGEN #rabbinic

Deborah Glassman <dgg2020@...>
 

On 2005.04.14, Udi Cain <chaikin@bezeqint.net> wrote:

According to [some], Abigail, Juda Shmuel KATZENELENBUGEN's wife,
was a daughter of Rabbi Mordechai YAFFE >from Posen. This seems to
me to be unlikely. Mordechai YAFFE, according to the Encyclopedia
Judaica, was born in 1535 and died in 1612. Juda Shmuel was born
in 1521, and died in 1597.
There is confusion in a number of sources between Valka JAFFE the
wife of Judah KATZENELLENBOGEN ben Meir WAHL (Judah is the great-
grandson of Samuel Judah KATZENELLEBOGEN) and Abigail the wife of
Samuel Judah KATZENELLENBOGEN ben Meir of Padua. Though both men
were called Judah Katzenellenbogen ben Meir they are separated
considerably in time. This confusion is why the elder man is said to
be the son-in-law of Mordechai the Lebush.

Samuel Judah KATZENELLENBOGEN, the son of Meir Padua, was married to
Abigail. The last name that her son Saul used of WAHL may indicate
that she was of the SHOR/WAHL family since both are translations of
"ox." If that is so, it is likely that her father was Moshe ben
Efrem Zalman SHOR, but I have not seen documentation that can
confirm this.

Incidentally, my research, blame no one but me, indicates that Saul
WAHL's wife Deborah DRUCKER is the daughter of David Yehiel RAPAPORT
who was called Yehiel the Madpis of Vienna. (Madpis and Drucker are
both translations of the word Printer)

Hope this helps.
Deborah Glassman
Elkins Park, PA
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Abigail KATZENELENBOGEN #rabbinic

Deborah Glassman <dgg2020@...>
 

On 2005.04.14, Udi Cain <chaikin@bezeqint.net> wrote:

According to [some], Abigail, Juda Shmuel KATZENELENBUGEN's wife,
was a daughter of Rabbi Mordechai YAFFE >from Posen. This seems to
me to be unlikely. Mordechai YAFFE, according to the Encyclopedia
Judaica, was born in 1535 and died in 1612. Juda Shmuel was born
in 1521, and died in 1597.
There is confusion in a number of sources between Valka JAFFE the
wife of Judah KATZENELLENBOGEN ben Meir WAHL (Judah is the great-
grandson of Samuel Judah KATZENELLEBOGEN) and Abigail the wife of
Samuel Judah KATZENELLENBOGEN ben Meir of Padua. Though both men
were called Judah Katzenellenbogen ben Meir they are separated
considerably in time. This confusion is why the elder man is said to
be the son-in-law of Mordechai the Lebush.

Samuel Judah KATZENELLENBOGEN, the son of Meir Padua, was married to
Abigail. The last name that her son Saul used of WAHL may indicate
that she was of the SHOR/WAHL family since both are translations of
"ox." If that is so, it is likely that her father was Moshe ben
Efrem Zalman SHOR, but I have not seen documentation that can
confirm this.

Incidentally, my research, blame no one but me, indicates that Saul
WAHL's wife Deborah DRUCKER is the daughter of David Yehiel RAPAPORT
who was called Yehiel the Madpis of Vienna. (Madpis and Drucker are
both translations of the word Printer)

Hope this helps.
Deborah Glassman
Elkins Park, PA
Revue du Cercle de Genealogie Juive, # 81 #germany

Ernest Kallmann
 

This is the summary of our Revue, issue 81, just off the press.
Families-
Aaron WORMS (1640 - 1722), Rabbi in Metz, is known through “Memoriaux
Alsaciens” by Moise Ginsburger and through entry # 839 in the Metz
Memorbuch. Pascal Faustini describes Aaron Worms’ family and origin in
Metz and Worms, based on unknown documents he has found in Metz Notary
deeds. He concentrates on his grandfather, ABRAHAM ABERLE LANDAU, Dayan
and parnass in Worms. Several namesakes had been mixed up, the confusion
being repeated without check-up by genealogists. Faustini applies the
same process to Sara BALLIN, Aaron’s wife, whose family tree he
publishes, based on 17th century sources.(p. 3)

The origin of a Parisian family: the LEHMANN. (p. 10)

J.B. has recently unearthed documents about the couple Simon LEHMANN -
Minette MEYER and now shows their ancestral line. They lived in
Sarreguemines at the end of the 18th century and begot a large family of
bankers and high government officers. Simon’s ancestors are traced back
to the village of Romanswiller around 1700 while Minette’s are Court
Jews to the Lords of Hessen-Darmstadt and the Palatinate.

The Jews in Einville during the 19th century.(p. 19)

Einville is a small town near Luneville in Lorraine which has suffered a
lot during the 18th century: plague, famine, arson (mainly by the
French). Einville really started to prosper only in the early 19th
century. Francoise Job scrutinizes the specificities and evolution of
its Jewish families and establishes their detailed genealogy.

Miscellaneous

Georges Graner, our webmaster, statistically analyzes the
Questions/Answers section of our website. (p. 28)

A family meeting in Jerusalem in December 2004 has been initiated by
Lyse Schwarzfuchs for the descendants of Rabbi Leopold CAHN and his wife
Leonore Perle WEIL. Eliane Roos-Schuhl, with Jean-Francois Hurstel
assisting, reports about the work performed.(p. 30)

In November 2004 Pierre Katz has devoted a lecture at the Alsace local
group of our Cercle to a problem often encountered when practicing
Jewish genealogy: not to rely only on patronymics. A family belonging to
the Schwenheim community exemplifies the case. (p. 35).

Ernest Kallmann Cercle de Genealogie Juive, Paris, France
E-mail: Secretariat@genealoj.org
Website: (In French and English) www.genealoj.org
German SIG #Germany Revue du Cercle de Genealogie Juive, # 81 #germany

Ernest Kallmann
 

This is the summary of our Revue, issue 81, just off the press.
Families-
Aaron WORMS (1640 - 1722), Rabbi in Metz, is known through “Memoriaux
Alsaciens” by Moise Ginsburger and through entry # 839 in the Metz
Memorbuch. Pascal Faustini describes Aaron Worms’ family and origin in
Metz and Worms, based on unknown documents he has found in Metz Notary
deeds. He concentrates on his grandfather, ABRAHAM ABERLE LANDAU, Dayan
and parnass in Worms. Several namesakes had been mixed up, the confusion
being repeated without check-up by genealogists. Faustini applies the
same process to Sara BALLIN, Aaron’s wife, whose family tree he
publishes, based on 17th century sources.(p. 3)

The origin of a Parisian family: the LEHMANN. (p. 10)

J.B. has recently unearthed documents about the couple Simon LEHMANN -
Minette MEYER and now shows their ancestral line. They lived in
Sarreguemines at the end of the 18th century and begot a large family of
bankers and high government officers. Simon’s ancestors are traced back
to the village of Romanswiller around 1700 while Minette’s are Court
Jews to the Lords of Hessen-Darmstadt and the Palatinate.

The Jews in Einville during the 19th century.(p. 19)

Einville is a small town near Luneville in Lorraine which has suffered a
lot during the 18th century: plague, famine, arson (mainly by the
French). Einville really started to prosper only in the early 19th
century. Francoise Job scrutinizes the specificities and evolution of
its Jewish families and establishes their detailed genealogy.

Miscellaneous

Georges Graner, our webmaster, statistically analyzes the
Questions/Answers section of our website. (p. 28)

A family meeting in Jerusalem in December 2004 has been initiated by
Lyse Schwarzfuchs for the descendants of Rabbi Leopold CAHN and his wife
Leonore Perle WEIL. Eliane Roos-Schuhl, with Jean-Francois Hurstel
assisting, reports about the work performed.(p. 30)

In November 2004 Pierre Katz has devoted a lecture at the Alsace local
group of our Cercle to a problem often encountered when practicing
Jewish genealogy: not to rely only on patronymics. A family belonging to
the Schwenheim community exemplifies the case. (p. 35).

Ernest Kallmann Cercle de Genealogie Juive, Paris, France
E-mail: Secretariat@genealoj.org
Website: (In French and English) www.genealoj.org
Finding a shtetl #poland

Elliot J. Fishman <elliotf@...>
 

Does anybody know where the shtelt Valinsky is located? I think it's either
around Bialystok or in Grodno.

Please contact: elliotf@earthlink.net withan answer. Thanks for your help.

Elliot J. Fishman
JRI Poland #Poland Finding a shtetl #poland

Elliot J. Fishman <elliotf@...>
 

Does anybody know where the shtelt Valinsky is located? I think it's either
around Bialystok or in Grodno.

Please contact: elliotf@earthlink.net withan answer. Thanks for your help.

Elliot J. Fishman
A JewishGen win/win project #warsaw #poland

Carol W. Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

Dear 'Genners

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that keeps the services free to you the user, the researcher of your
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History of 31 Jewish Communities in Lithuania" by Josef Rosin was the
correct book to launch this new project.

In addition to being a monumental work of 736 pages with over 500
photographs, some >from private family collections, there is an extensive
forward written by the eminent scholar Professor Dov Levin. Each chapter is
devoted exclusively to one of the 31 Lithuanian communities, a list too
lengthy to mention here, but a visit to the JewishGenMall will identify
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To make this another win/win situation, you can purchase Rosin's book at a
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time you purchase any product >from the JewishGenMall you are helping us
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JewishGen has been trying so hard to avoid since it first began.

If Lithuania is ***your*** ancestral home, Rosin's expanded history offers
you extensive material >from archival sources as well as personal memoirs.
It is truly a picture of the life and times in these communities >from their
early beginnings and ending with the Nazi's attempts to annihilate all of
Lithuanian Jewry. For any researcher who is looking for information about
Lithuania, especially about these 31 towns, this book is a personal
treasure. It will also be a treasure for your children and your
grandchildren.

Whatever country is part of your research interests, please take a look at
all the material you will find in the mall. Just select that country >from
the drop-down search list in the TOPICS field. You will find an
extraordinary collection at very competitive prices. If Josef Rosin's book
is of interest, click on the picture of the book cover to read more about
it and place your order at the pre-publication 40% discounted price which
is only $52.80, plus S&H. You can buy as many copies as you need for
other family members at this heavily discounted price.

For a real win/win situation, make the JewishGen Mall your first stop when
looking to purchase Jewish-interest books, software, CDs, or
videos. You'll save money on most purchases, and you'll help keep all of
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Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects

P.S. Don't lose out! Don't be distracted by the Passover holiday!
***order today*** The 40% discount on Josef Rosin's "Litvak" book will
last only until midnight April 30th and cannot be offered again after
publication.
Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland A JewishGen win/win project #warsaw #poland

Carol W. Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

Dear 'Genners

You have always sought a JewishGen that meets your own needs, a JewishGen
that keeps the services free to you the user, the researcher of your
personal Jewish heritage. You require a JewishGen that's committed to
finding and presenting projects that ensure a win/win situation.

"Published by JewishGen" is just such a project. You've told us by your
enthusiastic response so far that "Preserving our Litvak Heritage...A
History of 31 Jewish Communities in Lithuania" by Josef Rosin was the
correct book to launch this new project.

In addition to being a monumental work of 736 pages with over 500
photographs, some >from private family collections, there is an extensive
forward written by the eminent scholar Professor Dov Levin. Each chapter is
devoted exclusively to one of the 31 Lithuanian communities, a list too
lengthy to mention here, but a visit to the JewishGenMall will identify
them for you.

To make this another win/win situation, you can purchase Rosin's book at a
40% discount, but only up until April 30th, and only through the
JewishGenMall. All proceeds >from sales at the Mall flow into the JewishGen
General Fund which helps defray the mounting operating expenses. So, every
time you purchase any product >from the JewishGenMall you are helping us
meet our financial needs. The more JewishGen benefits >from your purchases,
the longer we can keep >from becoming a fee-based service, something
JewishGen has been trying so hard to avoid since it first began.

If Lithuania is ***your*** ancestral home, Rosin's expanded history offers
you extensive material >from archival sources as well as personal memoirs.
It is truly a picture of the life and times in these communities >from their
early beginnings and ending with the Nazi's attempts to annihilate all of
Lithuanian Jewry. For any researcher who is looking for information about
Lithuania, especially about these 31 towns, this book is a personal
treasure. It will also be a treasure for your children and your
grandchildren.

Whatever country is part of your research interests, please take a look at
all the material you will find in the mall. Just select that country >from
the drop-down search list in the TOPICS field. You will find an
extraordinary collection at very competitive prices. If Josef Rosin's book
is of interest, click on the picture of the book cover to read more about
it and place your order at the pre-publication 40% discounted price which
is only $52.80, plus S&H. You can buy as many copies as you need for
other family members at this heavily discounted price.

For a real win/win situation, make the JewishGen Mall your first stop when
looking to purchase Jewish-interest books, software, CDs, or
videos. You'll save money on most purchases, and you'll help keep all of
the valuable JewishGen services free. Visiting
<http://www.JewishGenMall.Org>www.jewishgenmall.org will truly be a win/win
situation!

Carol

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects

P.S. Don't lose out! Don't be distracted by the Passover holiday!
***order today*** The 40% discount on Josef Rosin's "Litvak" book will
last only until midnight April 30th and cannot be offered again after
publication.
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