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Re: The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum
#general
Larry Tauber <ltauber@...>
Common courtesy of course dictates a thank you, and Dave Schwartz's
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efforts went above and beyond. Unfortunately, it seems to me that part of the nature of communicating by e-mail is that it tends to de-personalize communications. (I noticed this a lot at a former workplace where e-mail instructions were never accompanied by a please or thank you). I am grateful to all members of the group who have participated either by sharing with the group as a whole or responding to individual requests. And if there is anyone who in the group who I have failed to thank - THANK YOU. Larry Tauber New York
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Romania SIG #Romania RE: The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum
#romania
Larry Tauber <ltauber@...>
Common courtesy of course dictates a thank you, and Dave Schwartz's
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efforts went above and beyond. Unfortunately, it seems to me that part of the nature of communicating by e-mail is that it tends to de-personalize communications. (I noticed this a lot at a former workplace where e-mail instructions were never accompanied by a please or thank you). I am grateful to all members of the group who have participated either by sharing with the group as a whole or responding to individual requests. And if there is anyone who in the group who I have failed to thank - THANK YOU. Larry Tauber New York
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From: Dave Schwartz [mailto:superdayv@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:02 AM To: Romania SIG Subject: [rom-sig] The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum
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Blumenberg in Ukraine
#ukraine
Leslie Weinberg <lbw50@...>
I am searching some Blumenberg family who may have gone to the
Ukraine >from Poland in the late 1930s. Two girls, named Rachela and Zofia, born 1923 and 1925, may have gone there first, and were then joined by their brother Mozes, who left Israel for Russia in 1945. Does anyone have any information on these people? Leslie Weinberg -- To err is human, to forgive canine. MODERATOR'S NOTE: You will have better luck if you enter the names you are searching into the JewishGen Family Finder - http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Blumenberg in Ukraine
#ukraine
Leslie Weinberg <lbw50@...>
I am searching some Blumenberg family who may have gone to the
Ukraine >from Poland in the late 1930s. Two girls, named Rachela and Zofia, born 1923 and 1925, may have gone there first, and were then joined by their brother Mozes, who left Israel for Russia in 1945. Does anyone have any information on these people? Leslie Weinberg -- To err is human, to forgive canine. MODERATOR'S NOTE: You will have better luck if you enter the names you are searching into the JewishGen Family Finder - http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/
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Re: The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefu lness of this Forum
#romania
gedalia54@juno.com <gedalia54@...>
I don't doubt what Dave says is true. It seems, though, that lack of
courtesy is not unique to JewishGen or ROM-SIG; but prevalent thru society today, as life continues to speed up more and more all the time, and people are more rushed, as one reason. Lack of courtesy bothers me, too; but I think there may be more than one reason when this happens. I took time on JewishGen to respond to someone a few weeks ago; never heard back >from her and thought, like Dave, how rude. But then, out of the blue, this woman replied about 3-4 wks later, explaining she had been sick with a bad cold. I just joined the ROM-SIG list last wk, really just for a very focused question in my gen. search, since my family is not >from Romania. To my surprise, I was literally flooded with responses to my inquiry. I still have not been able to respond to everyone personally; and for this I apologize -- but my lack of response is not out of lack of courtesy, in this case, but just lack of time (since, again, I got a whole lot of responses). I don't think lack of courtesy is going to disappear any too soon. Was it Voltaire that said, "Common sense is an uncommon thing"? He might have also said, as well: "Common courtesy is an uncommon thing..." But, also, why not focus on the good experiences as well? Because for every discourteous person, there's one or two who are courteous. And, in fact, this has ONLY been my experience in the short time I've been on this list. I have actual Romanian researchers replying to my inquiry, and taking some time to look into my question before responding to me -- which blows me away! Really, I can only answer for myself, and say that I need to respond more quickly to other ROM-SIG members, even when I have other things that seem more pressing than that. I appreciate Dave's comment and guess it cannot be repeated too much...that a little 'southern hospitality' goes a long way. Charles Millman JGFF researcher #3411 Plymouth Meeting gedalia54@juno.com 18 May 2005 * * * -- Dave Schwartz <superdayv@yahoo.com> wrote: Over the years, I have >from time to time answered requests for information on this forum. In all but one instance, I never heard back >from the party…not even a simple thank you. For example, recently there was a request for help in finding a cemetery in Pittsburgh. As a one-time resident of Pittsburgh, I knew something about the cemetery in question. The name had changed and was therefore hidden >from the searcher. It took me a while, but I finally found the cemetery and emailed the person with instruction on how to find it…and heard nothing back. This has not been a single incident but rather the rule than the exception. I wonder how many others have had this experience and like me have vowed never to respond again? Dave Schwartz Wimberley, Texas MODERATOR NOTE: The subject of common courtesy and politeness has been brought up all too often on JewishGen. So this is a only another reminder that when you are responded to in any way, even if your question is not answered as you would wish, someone has taken the time, and made the effort to help. They deserve a polite response! Or in time those responses will stop, and you may be the loser!
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Romania SIG #Romania Re: The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefu lness of this Forum
#romania
gedalia54@juno.com <gedalia54@...>
I don't doubt what Dave says is true. It seems, though, that lack of
courtesy is not unique to JewishGen or ROM-SIG; but prevalent thru society today, as life continues to speed up more and more all the time, and people are more rushed, as one reason. Lack of courtesy bothers me, too; but I think there may be more than one reason when this happens. I took time on JewishGen to respond to someone a few weeks ago; never heard back >from her and thought, like Dave, how rude. But then, out of the blue, this woman replied about 3-4 wks later, explaining she had been sick with a bad cold. I just joined the ROM-SIG list last wk, really just for a very focused question in my gen. search, since my family is not >from Romania. To my surprise, I was literally flooded with responses to my inquiry. I still have not been able to respond to everyone personally; and for this I apologize -- but my lack of response is not out of lack of courtesy, in this case, but just lack of time (since, again, I got a whole lot of responses). I don't think lack of courtesy is going to disappear any too soon. Was it Voltaire that said, "Common sense is an uncommon thing"? He might have also said, as well: "Common courtesy is an uncommon thing..." But, also, why not focus on the good experiences as well? Because for every discourteous person, there's one or two who are courteous. And, in fact, this has ONLY been my experience in the short time I've been on this list. I have actual Romanian researchers replying to my inquiry, and taking some time to look into my question before responding to me -- which blows me away! Really, I can only answer for myself, and say that I need to respond more quickly to other ROM-SIG members, even when I have other things that seem more pressing than that. I appreciate Dave's comment and guess it cannot be repeated too much...that a little 'southern hospitality' goes a long way. Charles Millman JGFF researcher #3411 Plymouth Meeting gedalia54@juno.com 18 May 2005 * * * -- Dave Schwartz <superdayv@yahoo.com> wrote: Over the years, I have >from time to time answered requests for information on this forum. In all but one instance, I never heard back >from the party…not even a simple thank you. For example, recently there was a request for help in finding a cemetery in Pittsburgh. As a one-time resident of Pittsburgh, I knew something about the cemetery in question. The name had changed and was therefore hidden >from the searcher. It took me a while, but I finally found the cemetery and emailed the person with instruction on how to find it…and heard nothing back. This has not been a single incident but rather the rule than the exception. I wonder how many others have had this experience and like me have vowed never to respond again? Dave Schwartz Wimberley, Texas MODERATOR NOTE: The subject of common courtesy and politeness has been brought up all too often on JewishGen. So this is a only another reminder that when you are responded to in any way, even if your question is not answered as you would wish, someone has taken the time, and made the effort to help. They deserve a polite response! Or in time those responses will stop, and you may be the loser!
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Re: Mynoyow, Ukraine
#galicia
Alexander Sharon
Peter Zavon wrote comments on my previous posting on the same subject.
And there is another trick - Austrian map coordinates are referring to Ferro is NOT a Greek Island. It is in the Canary Islands, 17° 39' 46"Of course, Peter is correct. Ferro (known as Hierro in Spanish) is part of Canaries. Chap by name Hipparchus has established an astronomical observations point on this island in the ancient times, and I have assumed, without proper checking, that this was the island in Aegian Sea. Silly indeed, since Ferro longitude is indicative of the island location _west_ of Greenwich. Thank you, Peter for your correction. Alexander Sharon Calgary, Alberta
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Re:Mynoyow, Ukraine
#galicia
Alexander Sharon
Peter Zavon wrote comments on my previous posting on the same subject.
And there is another trick - Austrian map coordinates are referring to Ferro is NOT a Greek Island. It is in the Canary Islands, 17° 39' 46"Of course, Peter is correct. Ferro (known as Hierro in Spanish) is part of Canaries. Chap by name Hipparchus has established an astronomical observations point on this island in the ancient times, and I have assumed, without proper checking, that this was the island in Aegian Sea. Silly indeed, since Ferro longitude is indicative of the island location _west_ of Greenwich. Thank you, Peter for your correction. Alexander Sharon Calgary, Alberta
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JCR: US Immigration records before 1892
#unitedkingdom
jeremy frankel
Dear Jill and others,
Yes, there are records available prior to 1892. I feel I should first explain the pivotal date of 1892. The Ellis Island Foundation, in collaboration with the Mormon Church, indexed the passenger arrivals to the Port of New York for the period 1892 - 1924, as this was felt to be the period of time that would be of most interest to genealogists. The National Archives of the United States has always maintained ship lists, indexes to passengers and passenger manifests going much further back in time, in fact to the 1700s (offhand). Many of these have been microfilmed by the LDS and available through their Family History Centers. Recently, an American commercial online genealogy company made available a searchable index to passengers arriving at New York from 1851 to 1891. The names (if found) are linked to scanned manifest pages so that one can read the whole entry. I don't know if it is policy not to mention commercial sites here, but if not, I am not doing so. I suggest that Jill contact me off list for further information. Hoping this is of use, Jeremy G Frankel ex-London, England Berkeley, California, USA MODERATOR NOTE: As requested before this thread is no longer pertinent to the JCR-UK discussion group and further discussion should be taken off list.
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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom JCR: US Immigration records before 1892
#unitedkingdom
jeremy frankel
Dear Jill and others,
Yes, there are records available prior to 1892. I feel I should first explain the pivotal date of 1892. The Ellis Island Foundation, in collaboration with the Mormon Church, indexed the passenger arrivals to the Port of New York for the period 1892 - 1924, as this was felt to be the period of time that would be of most interest to genealogists. The National Archives of the United States has always maintained ship lists, indexes to passengers and passenger manifests going much further back in time, in fact to the 1700s (offhand). Many of these have been microfilmed by the LDS and available through their Family History Centers. Recently, an American commercial online genealogy company made available a searchable index to passengers arriving at New York from 1851 to 1891. The names (if found) are linked to scanned manifest pages so that one can read the whole entry. I don't know if it is policy not to mention commercial sites here, but if not, I am not doing so. I suggest that Jill contact me off list for further information. Hoping this is of use, Jeremy G Frankel ex-London, England Berkeley, California, USA MODERATOR NOTE: As requested before this thread is no longer pertinent to the JCR-UK discussion group and further discussion should be taken off list.
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The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum
#romania
Dave Schwartz <superdayv@...>
Over the years, I have >from time to time answered
requests for information on this forum. In all but one instance, I never heard back >from the party…not even a simple thank you. For example, recently there was a request for help in finding a cemetery in Pittsburgh. As a one-time resident of Pittsburgh, I knew something about the cemetery in question. The name had changed and was therefore hidden >from the searcher. It took me a while, but I finally found the cemetery and emailed the person with instruction on how to find it…and heard nothing back. This has not been a single incident but rather the rule than the exception. I wonder how many others have had this experience and like me have vowed never to respond again? Dave Schwartz Wimberley, Texas MODERATOR NOTE: The subject of common courtesy and politeness has been brought up all too often on JewishGen. So this is a only another reminder that when you are responded to in any way, even if your question is not answered as you would wish, someone has taken the time, and made the effort to help. They deserve a polite response! Or in time those responses will stop, and you may be the loser!
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Romania SIG #Romania The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum
#romania
Dave Schwartz <superdayv@...>
Over the years, I have >from time to time answered
requests for information on this forum. In all but one instance, I never heard back >from the party…not even a simple thank you. For example, recently there was a request for help in finding a cemetery in Pittsburgh. As a one-time resident of Pittsburgh, I knew something about the cemetery in question. The name had changed and was therefore hidden >from the searcher. It took me a while, but I finally found the cemetery and emailed the person with instruction on how to find it…and heard nothing back. This has not been a single incident but rather the rule than the exception. I wonder how many others have had this experience and like me have vowed never to respond again? Dave Schwartz Wimberley, Texas MODERATOR NOTE: The subject of common courtesy and politeness has been brought up all too often on JewishGen. So this is a only another reminder that when you are responded to in any way, even if your question is not answered as you would wish, someone has taken the time, and made the effort to help. They deserve a polite response! Or in time those responses will stop, and you may be the loser!
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Yale J. Reisner to Speak to JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
#general
Barbara Musikar
The JGS of Greater Miami, Inc. and the JGS of Palm Beach County, Florida are proud
to present a lecture by Yale J. Reisner. Mr. Reisner is the director of the Ronald S. Lauder Foundation Genealogy Project at the Jewish Historical Institute of Warsaw, Poland. When: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 7 PM Where: Aventura Turnberry Jewish Center - 20400 NE 30th Ave. Aventura, FL Topic: A Most Extraordinary Situation - Genealogical Adventures in Poland Cost: JGS Miami, Inc. and JGS Palm Beach County members $5.00 Non-members $10.00 For more information contact JGS Miami at 305-868-9226 or e-mail bar945@hotmail.com Barbara Musikar President JGS of Greater Miami, Inc. VP Programming Surfside, FL
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Yale J. Reisner to Speak to JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
#general
Barbara Musikar
The JGS of Greater Miami, Inc. and the JGS of Palm Beach County, Florida are proud
to present a lecture by Yale J. Reisner. Mr. Reisner is the director of the Ronald S. Lauder Foundation Genealogy Project at the Jewish Historical Institute of Warsaw, Poland. When: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 7 PM Where: Aventura Turnberry Jewish Center - 20400 NE 30th Ave. Aventura, FL Topic: A Most Extraordinary Situation - Genealogical Adventures in Poland Cost: JGS Miami, Inc. and JGS Palm Beach County members $5.00 Non-members $10.00 For more information contact JGS Miami at 305-868-9226 or e-mail bar945@hotmail.com Barbara Musikar President JGS of Greater Miami, Inc. VP Programming Surfside, FL
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info about cemetaries
#poland
daphnabrafman <boazber@...>
Has anyone been to the Tomaszow Lubelski and Bilgoraj cemeteries recently? I
need some information. Please contact me. Daphna Brafman boazber@bezeqint.net MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.
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JRI Poland #Poland info about cemetaries
#poland
daphnabrafman <boazber@...>
Has anyone been to the Tomaszow Lubelski and Bilgoraj cemeteries recently? I
need some information. Please contact me. Daphna Brafman boazber@bezeqint.net MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.
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Warsaw Ghetto Death Card
#poland
Vangheluwe Daniel <vangheluwe.smietan@...>
I am searching informations about the family SMIETAN, wich was living
Nowolipki 31m28 before the war. I dont have news of their since 1939. I am just discovering on JRI Poland the death card of Paulina Zarecka, who was living precisely Nowolipki 31m28 in 1941 (before dying in July) It is interessant for me to know the story of the appartement. I ask the following: Is there a way to look up directly on the excel file of the Warsaw Ghetto Death Card if other people had died who precisely were living at Nowolipki 31/28? Many thanks to advance Daniel VANGHELUWE France
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Re: Military records in the Austro-Hungarian Empire
#general
Celia Male <celiamale@...>
On 14th May, Tom Weiss asked about the location of the
military records of Eastern Galicia. I fear that they no longer exist and the following information may be of general interest to members of this group. Before WW1, all military records of the Habsburg Empire were stored at the vast Kriegsarchiv, Vienna. Following the defeat of Austria, the records of Habsburg citizens, born and resident outside Austria itself, were sent mainly to Prague and Tyrnau. Access to the records at the Kriegsarchiv was once free - indeed I obtained them for my great-uncle Siegfried KERNER and learnt >from them that he was short-sighted and a keen cyclist and skier! As he died in the holocaust, and I never knew him, this and other titbits were valuable information for me. Entry to the Staatsarchiv, Nottendorfergasse, {in which the Kriegsarchiv is now based} was also once free. There is now a daily fee [ca 7 Euros], but one can get reduced rates for longer periods. There is now also a search fee for records and this has to be paid even if no records are found. This was not the case when I asked for the records of Ernst KERNER, Siegfried's brother, in late 2003. They could not find any, but I did not incur a charge for the abortive search. I was quoted 80 Euros for another search last year - which seemed rather steep if no records were available. Someone else was quoted ca 40 Euros. I expect the search charges are based on an estimate of the time spent in the search. You now will get a quote when you ask for records. I was told, at that time, that the major destination of records >from military personnel who were not "zustandig" [resident] in Austria itself were Prague and Tyrnau {Trnava} and that probably most of the latter had been cleared out in a spring clean! This is confirmed here in paragraph b [in German]: http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/AUT/karchiv.html The archives repatriated to Prague seem to have fared better. No mention is made of Galicia - which is, I fear, bad news. Vienna still holds the records of all citizens of the country of Austria itself, citizens and the records of higher ranks, gallantry awards and special mentions etc for those soldiers coming >from the wider Habsburg empire. The ordinary soldiers' [Privates] records from the wider Empire were all repatriated after WW1. There may still be records of all war casualties, located in Vienna. This has to be confirmed. Where the Galician records went, I do not know, but a search of the Special Interest Group {SIG} message archives with the terms "galicia war records" provided a very useful posting on 23 Mar 2004 >from Brian J Lenius to the Galicia Group entitled: Military service/Kolomea. There are references to articles in this posting which should provide leads, including two by Dr. Christoph Tepperberg, the Director of the Kriegsarchiv. http://www.eegsociety.org/back.html 1. "The Personnel Records of the Austrian War Archives (Kriegsarchiv)" in East European Genealogist. (East European Genealogical Society, Winnnipeg, Canada, Vol.5 No.4, Summer 1997, pp.18-19) 2. "The Austrian War Archives in Vienna (Kriegsarchiv Wien) and its Records Pertaining to Personnel" in East European Genealogist. (East European Genealogical Society, Winnnipeg, Canada, Vol.8 No.4, Summer 2000, pp.9-24) and then there is a rather pessimistic letter to the Galicia Group, dated 20 Feb 2003, >from Edward Goldstein: Subject: Austro-Hungarian Army 1914-1918.This includes the sentence: "none of the records >from Galicia seem to have survived". All this does not sound too optimistic, however if you are prepared to fork out the search fee, you may find something in Vienna! The file I got for Gt-Uncle Siegfried was unbelievably large and detailed; no wonder the Tyrnau archives threw them out. They probably had no space to store them all. Unfortunately, we can now look on these lost records as further casualties of that terrible WW1, which was meant to be "the war to end all wars". Celia Male [UK]
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JRI Poland #Poland Warsaw Ghetto Death Card
#poland
Vangheluwe Daniel <vangheluwe.smietan@...>
I am searching informations about the family SMIETAN, wich was living
Nowolipki 31m28 before the war. I dont have news of their since 1939. I am just discovering on JRI Poland the death card of Paulina Zarecka, who was living precisely Nowolipki 31m28 in 1941 (before dying in July) It is interessant for me to know the story of the appartement. I ask the following: Is there a way to look up directly on the excel file of the Warsaw Ghetto Death Card if other people had died who precisely were living at Nowolipki 31/28? Many thanks to advance Daniel VANGHELUWE France
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JRI Poland #Poland re:Military records in the Austro-Hungarian Empire
#poland
Celia Male <celiamale@...>
On 14th May, Tom Weiss asked about the location of the
military records of Eastern Galicia. I fear that they no longer exist and the following information may be of general interest to members of this group. Before WW1, all military records of the Habsburg Empire were stored at the vast Kriegsarchiv, Vienna. Following the defeat of Austria, the records of Habsburg citizens, born and resident outside Austria itself, were sent mainly to Prague and Tyrnau. Access to the records at the Kriegsarchiv was once free - indeed I obtained them for my great-uncle Siegfried KERNER and learnt >from them that he was short-sighted and a keen cyclist and skier! As he died in the holocaust, and I never knew him, this and other titbits were valuable information for me. Entry to the Staatsarchiv, Nottendorfergasse, {in which the Kriegsarchiv is now based} was also once free. There is now a daily fee [ca 7 Euros], but one can get reduced rates for longer periods. There is now also a search fee for records and this has to be paid even if no records are found. This was not the case when I asked for the records of Ernst KERNER, Siegfried's brother, in late 2003. They could not find any, but I did not incur a charge for the abortive search. I was quoted 80 Euros for another search last year - which seemed rather steep if no records were available. Someone else was quoted ca 40 Euros. I expect the search charges are based on an estimate of the time spent in the search. You now will get a quote when you ask for records. I was told, at that time, that the major destination of records >from military personnel who were not "zustandig" [resident] in Austria itself were Prague and Tyrnau {Trnava} and that probably most of the latter had been cleared out in a spring clean! This is confirmed here in paragraph b [in German]: http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/AUT/karchiv.html The archives repatriated to Prague seem to have fared better. No mention is made of Galicia - which is, I fear, bad news. Vienna still holds the records of all citizens of the country of Austria itself, citizens and the records of higher ranks, gallantry awards and special mentions etc for those soldiers coming >from the wider Habsburg empire. The ordinary soldiers' [Privates] records from the wider Empire were all repatriated after WW1. There may still be records of all war casualties, located in Vienna. This has to be confirmed. Where the Galician records went, I do not know, but a search of the Special Interest Group {SIG} message archives with the terms "galicia war records" provided a very useful posting on 23 Mar 2004 >from Brian J Lenius to the Galicia Group entitled: Military service/Kolomea. There are references to articles in this posting which should provide leads, including two by Dr. Christoph Tepperberg, the Director of the Kriegsarchiv. http://www.eegsociety.org/back.html 1. "The Personnel Records of the Austrian War Archives (Kriegsarchiv)" in East European Genealogist. (East European Genealogical Society, Winnnipeg, Canada, Vol.5 No.4, Summer 1997, pp.18-19) 2. "The Austrian War Archives in Vienna (Kriegsarchiv Wien) and its Records Pertaining to Personnel" in East European Genealogist. (East European Genealogical Society, Winnnipeg, Canada, Vol.8 No.4, Summer 2000, pp.9-24) and then there is a rather pessimistic letter to the Galicia Group, dated 20 Feb 2003, >from Edward Goldstein: Subject: Austro-Hungarian Army 1914-1918.This includes the sentence: "none of the records >from Galicia seem to have survived". All this does not sound too optimistic, however if you are prepared to fork out the search fee, you may find something in Vienna! The file I got for Gt-Uncle Siegfried was unbelievably large and detailed; no wonder the Tyrnau archives threw them out. They probably had no space to store them all. Unfortunately, we can now look on these lost records as further casualties of that terrible WW1, which was meant to be "the war to end all wars". Celia Male [UK]
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