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Re: Further on Burial records for Montreal #general

Jeremy Goldbloom <j.goldbloom@...>
 

I am deeply grateful for the most kind help I have received on this successful
trace. Now, if any kind Montreal genners happen to be in the area or visiting the
Baron de Hirsch graveyard in the next few months, I would even more grateful for
any notes or emailed photos of the tomb inscriptions of my relatives:- "Fernand
and Rebecca ISCAKI are buried in the Pinsker #3 section. Fernand Iscaki was
buried July 28, 1987, Line-6, Grave-6; Rebecca Iscaki was buried Dec. 15, 1997,
Line-6, Grave-5." Thanks again >from the UK.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Further on Burial records for Montreal #general

Jeremy Goldbloom <j.goldbloom@...>
 

I am deeply grateful for the most kind help I have received on this successful
trace. Now, if any kind Montreal genners happen to be in the area or visiting the
Baron de Hirsch graveyard in the next few months, I would even more grateful for
any notes or emailed photos of the tomb inscriptions of my relatives:- "Fernand
and Rebecca ISCAKI are buried in the Pinsker #3 section. Fernand Iscaki was
buried July 28, 1987, Line-6, Grave-6; Rebecca Iscaki was buried Dec. 15, 1997,
Line-6, Grave-5." Thanks again >from the UK.


Re: SENIOR family of Barbados/Amsterdam #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

graham@... wrote on 26 jun 2005 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

Is anyone researching or have any information on the Senior family of
Barbados (or elsewhere in the West Indies/South America) or Amsterdam
in the 18th century and earlier?
Communal archives, Amsterdam:

<http://tinyurl.com/bra3y>

1
dochter Debora
vader Binjamin Abenacar Ximenes
moeder Mirjam Senior
geboorte 1786 05 13
religie Portugees-Isra¨elitisch, Port. Isr.
Kerk
bron 400 p. 145 #12
2
dochter Riba
vader Binjamin Haracar Xinenes
moeder Mirjamin Senior
geboorte 1788 05 28
religie Portugees-Isra¨elitisch, Port. Isr.
Kerk
bron 400 p. 151 #24
3
zoon Isaac
vader Binjamin Abenacar Ximenes
moeder Mirjam Senior
geboorte 1791 05 06
religie Portugees-Isra¨elitisch, Port. Isr.
Kerk
bron 400 p. 159 #4
4
dochter Rachel
vader Binjamin Abenacar Ximenes
moeder Mirjam Senior
geboorte 1792 07 03
religie Portugees-Isra¨elitisch, Port. Isr.
Kerk
bron 400 p. 162 #17



And after 1811:

<http://tinyurl.com/93v9x>

E. Senior 3-5-1873
J.H. Senior 9-2-1899
M.L. Senior 10-12-1896

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Replace all crosses with dots in my emailaddress)
***
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: SENIOR family of Barbados/Amsterdam #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

graham@... wrote on 26 jun 2005 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

Is anyone researching or have any information on the Senior family of
Barbados (or elsewhere in the West Indies/South America) or Amsterdam
in the 18th century and earlier?
Communal archives, Amsterdam:

<http://tinyurl.com/bra3y>

1
dochter Debora
vader Binjamin Abenacar Ximenes
moeder Mirjam Senior
geboorte 1786 05 13
religie Portugees-Isra¨elitisch, Port. Isr.
Kerk
bron 400 p. 145 #12
2
dochter Riba
vader Binjamin Haracar Xinenes
moeder Mirjamin Senior
geboorte 1788 05 28
religie Portugees-Isra¨elitisch, Port. Isr.
Kerk
bron 400 p. 151 #24
3
zoon Isaac
vader Binjamin Abenacar Ximenes
moeder Mirjam Senior
geboorte 1791 05 06
religie Portugees-Isra¨elitisch, Port. Isr.
Kerk
bron 400 p. 159 #4
4
dochter Rachel
vader Binjamin Abenacar Ximenes
moeder Mirjam Senior
geboorte 1792 07 03
religie Portugees-Isra¨elitisch, Port. Isr.
Kerk
bron 400 p. 162 #17



And after 1811:

<http://tinyurl.com/93v9x>

E. Senior 3-5-1873
J.H. Senior 9-2-1899
M.L. Senior 10-12-1896

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Replace all crosses with dots in my emailaddress)
***
MODERATOR NOTE: This website is in Dutch, only.


Red Hair among Jews #general

Henry Gitelman <jhgitel@...>
 

My Dear Red Headed JewishGenners,

To the many recent discussions about red handedness among Jews, I would like to
add that:

Many members of my family, including my eldest son and our granddaughter are
redheaded, with round faces and high cheek bones.

My family is >from Slawatycze, Poland, which is on the Bug River; right in the path
of the redheaded "Varangians" (the land Vikings) who came >from Scandinavia and the
Baltic Sea, sailed and portaged upriver on the Wisla & Bug River system and
founded the Kievan Rus' (Kiev) and conquered the Jewish Khazars in the ninth
century. On their way to the Black Sea the Varangians robbed and raped the people
in their path while their cousins, the Sea Vikings, "Erik the Red" and his son
"Lief Erikson", "reddened" Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

As the Rabbis decreed: "The child of a Jewish mother, no matter who is the
father, is a Jew".

If redheaded Jews are descended >from King David who, as the Talmud tells us, was
"ruddy" and a "hothead", then how come none of the Sephardi Jews I know are
redheaded; unless, of course, King David was Ashkenazi.

Henry Gitelman
Montreal, Canada

Searching:
GITELMAN, HITELMAN, RYBKOWSKI, REPKOWSKI, PALUCH, EPELBAUM, BLUSZTEJN of
Slawatycze, Domaczewo, Janow Podlaski in the Lublin district of Poland.


Thanks re Search for Passenger Records #general

Ruth Hyman <ruth.hyman@...>
 

Dear Genners,
Well, I haven't magically found my grandfather, Yizhk Shlomo BERNSTEIN, but I
hope I haven't missed anyone with my private replies. Thanks so much to all of you
for your ideas. I have some more work to do. I did realize I am not sure that
someone who entered as a minor and did not have to file declaration of intention
still had to be here 5 years to naturalize. I am awaiting a response to NARA on
this point. If anyone is interested in that answer, let me know.
Ruth Hyman
Rockville Centre, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Red Hair among Jews #general

Henry Gitelman <jhgitel@...>
 

My Dear Red Headed JewishGenners,

To the many recent discussions about red handedness among Jews, I would like to
add that:

Many members of my family, including my eldest son and our granddaughter are
redheaded, with round faces and high cheek bones.

My family is >from Slawatycze, Poland, which is on the Bug River; right in the path
of the redheaded "Varangians" (the land Vikings) who came >from Scandinavia and the
Baltic Sea, sailed and portaged upriver on the Wisla & Bug River system and
founded the Kievan Rus' (Kiev) and conquered the Jewish Khazars in the ninth
century. On their way to the Black Sea the Varangians robbed and raped the people
in their path while their cousins, the Sea Vikings, "Erik the Red" and his son
"Lief Erikson", "reddened" Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

As the Rabbis decreed: "The child of a Jewish mother, no matter who is the
father, is a Jew".

If redheaded Jews are descended >from King David who, as the Talmud tells us, was
"ruddy" and a "hothead", then how come none of the Sephardi Jews I know are
redheaded; unless, of course, King David was Ashkenazi.

Henry Gitelman
Montreal, Canada

Searching:
GITELMAN, HITELMAN, RYBKOWSKI, REPKOWSKI, PALUCH, EPELBAUM, BLUSZTEJN of
Slawatycze, Domaczewo, Janow Podlaski in the Lublin district of Poland.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thanks re Search for Passenger Records #general

Ruth Hyman <ruth.hyman@...>
 

Dear Genners,
Well, I haven't magically found my grandfather, Yizhk Shlomo BERNSTEIN, but I
hope I haven't missed anyone with my private replies. Thanks so much to all of you
for your ideas. I have some more work to do. I did realize I am not sure that
someone who entered as a minor and did not have to file declaration of intention
still had to be here 5 years to naturalize. I am awaiting a response to NARA on
this point. If anyone is interested in that answer, let me know.
Ruth Hyman
Rockville Centre, NY


Re: 1918 Pogrom #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"mark" <mark306@...> wrote in message
news:000501c57991$e7d87a70$53eeb3d4@user5...
Dear all I got information that my greatgrandfather Bejzman Aharon was killed in
1918 in a pogrom He lived in Volyn area I missed somehow the discussion about
pogroms anyway maybe I can get any information about the names Maybe there in
some key to the Russian newspapers of that time ?
Mark Wajsenbrg
Israel
Mark306@...
---
Is this the place <www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/rovno/rovno.html> Rowno, Volyn
(Ukraine) 50°37' / 26°15'.

See also <http://www.jewishgen.org/Ukraine/Volhynia/>

Nick Landau
London, UK
--
COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


SENIOR family of Barbados/Amsterdam #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

In regard to this inquiry, it is always helpful to start with the following
resources on JewishGen:

1. JewishGen Family Finder

You will find others who are looking for the same or similar families to yours.

2. JewishGen Digest Archives

In this particular case, if you search on "Barbados" or "Senior" you will find
ample posts to assist you without even going any further.

3. Go to the Sephardic SIG on JewishGen

There you will find lots of info on your family name and history of the Sephardic
Jews

You can even use the JewishGen search engine to view appropriate resources on the
JewishGen site itself. That is only a start to what you can find on JewishGen.
Learn to use its valuable resources.

Also, when you post, let people know what resources you have used already to
locate information on your family so they won't waste your time or theirs by
sending you information you already have.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...
***
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InfoFiles are invaluable resources for answering basic questions about sources
with which genners may not be familiar. Go to the link on JewishGen's home page
under Learn or directly at <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 1918 Pogrom #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"mark" <mark306@...> wrote in message
news:000501c57991$e7d87a70$53eeb3d4@user5...
Dear all I got information that my greatgrandfather Bejzman Aharon was killed in
1918 in a pogrom He lived in Volyn area I missed somehow the discussion about
pogroms anyway maybe I can get any information about the names Maybe there in
some key to the Russian newspapers of that time ?
Mark Wajsenbrg
Israel
Mark306@...
---
Is this the place <www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/rovno/rovno.html> Rowno, Volyn
(Ukraine) 50°37' / 26°15'.

See also <http://www.jewishgen.org/Ukraine/Volhynia/>

Nick Landau
London, UK
--
COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SENIOR family of Barbados/Amsterdam #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

In regard to this inquiry, it is always helpful to start with the following
resources on JewishGen:

1. JewishGen Family Finder

You will find others who are looking for the same or similar families to yours.

2. JewishGen Digest Archives

In this particular case, if you search on "Barbados" or "Senior" you will find
ample posts to assist you without even going any further.

3. Go to the Sephardic SIG on JewishGen

There you will find lots of info on your family name and history of the Sephardic
Jews

You can even use the JewishGen search engine to view appropriate resources on the
JewishGen site itself. That is only a start to what you can find on JewishGen.
Learn to use its valuable resources.

Also, when you post, let people know what resources you have used already to
locate information on your family so they won't waste your time or theirs by
sending you information you already have.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...
***
MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) and other
InfoFiles are invaluable resources for answering basic questions about sources
with which genners may not be familiar. Go to the link on JewishGen's home page
under Learn or directly at <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles>


Naming an Infant After Death - Correction #general

Beryl. B <balden@...>
 

re: Correction to "Naming an infant after death".

Please note that in the Discussion group of June 26, I quoted >from Chapter163,
page 43 in the Kitzur Shulhan Arukh which is headed "The Law of Circumcision" - .

However in Chapter 190, page 103, entitled

"The Internment and the Cemetery "- clause 4 says:

"...A female infant should also be given a name and it is necessary to inform the
undertakers concerning this law".

Apologies for leaving out the Law concerning female babies.

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@...


Re: Viewmate 6369 "Identify this town" Russian to English #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

It has just been brought to my attention that I did not scan all the pertinent
information because there are only ditto marks in the column that could identify
the town that is mentioned on this Odessa on my great aunt's birth record? I
believe the record may say what town my ggf Jankel Ickovitch BARSKIY was from.

If you would like to see the entire page, please let me know and I will send it
to you, as it is too large to do on one ViewMate scan.

The original VM is at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6369

Please respond privately to me at ylca87@...

Thank you so much and best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
Corona, California
FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER, FISZEL (Warszawa& Bedzin, Poland),S(Z)PRINGER, ROTHSTEIN,
HAMBURGER(Bedzin, Lagiza, Zarki, Poland), GERSTEN (Obertyn, Galacia)
BARSKA/BARSKY/BARSKIY(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Sokolka?), FELDMAN (Veliuona,Kaunas),
KAHN/KOHN/COHN/CAHN, FRIEDSAM (Bodendorf, Coln? Germany, Pittsburgh, PA),
NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN (Hesse Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore, MD),
BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine), LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS,
***
MODERATOR NOTE: Surname list truncated at six lines.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Naming an Infant After Death - Correction #general

Beryl. B <balden@...>
 

re: Correction to "Naming an infant after death".

Please note that in the Discussion group of June 26, I quoted >from Chapter163,
page 43 in the Kitzur Shulhan Arukh which is headed "The Law of Circumcision" - .

However in Chapter 190, page 103, entitled

"The Internment and the Cemetery "- clause 4 says:

"...A female infant should also be given a name and it is necessary to inform the
undertakers concerning this law".

Apologies for leaving out the Law concerning female babies.

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Viewmate 6369 "Identify this town" Russian to English #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

It has just been brought to my attention that I did not scan all the pertinent
information because there are only ditto marks in the column that could identify
the town that is mentioned on this Odessa on my great aunt's birth record? I
believe the record may say what town my ggf Jankel Ickovitch BARSKIY was from.

If you would like to see the entire page, please let me know and I will send it
to you, as it is too large to do on one ViewMate scan.

The original VM is at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6369

Please respond privately to me at ylca87@...

Thank you so much and best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
Corona, California
FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER, FISZEL (Warszawa& Bedzin, Poland),S(Z)PRINGER, ROTHSTEIN,
HAMBURGER(Bedzin, Lagiza, Zarki, Poland), GERSTEN (Obertyn, Galacia)
BARSKA/BARSKY/BARSKIY(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Sokolka?), FELDMAN (Veliuona,Kaunas),
KAHN/KOHN/COHN/CAHN, FRIEDSAM (Bodendorf, Coln? Germany, Pittsburgh, PA),
NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN (Hesse Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore, MD),
BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine), LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS,
***
MODERATOR NOTE: Surname list truncated at six lines.


Re: Title of "Reverend" #general

Tony Colton <tony@...>
 

For many years, Avram Rosenfeld was referred to as Reverend Rosenfeld when he
served the congregation at Kinloss Synagogue (London) as Chazan even though he was
a Rabbi in his own right and went on to be Chief Rabbi of New Zealand. I always
understood that this was because Rabbi Gelles was the official Rabbi of Kinloss
and you couldn't have two Rabbis at the same Shul.

Tony Colton

London

The recent Guardian obituary of Rev Isaac Levy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2763,1475185,00.html says that it was
considered more important that the minister could give a good sermon, could teach
at the cheder and knew the right thing to say to the sick or to the bereaved,
than that they were a rabbi.

Nick Landau


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Title of "Reverend" #general

Tony Colton <tony@...>
 

For many years, Avram Rosenfeld was referred to as Reverend Rosenfeld when he
served the congregation at Kinloss Synagogue (London) as Chazan even though he was
a Rabbi in his own right and went on to be Chief Rabbi of New Zealand. I always
understood that this was because Rabbi Gelles was the official Rabbi of Kinloss
and you couldn't have two Rabbis at the same Shul.

Tony Colton

London

The recent Guardian obituary of Rev Isaac Levy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2763,1475185,00.html says that it was
considered more important that the minister could give a good sermon, could teach
at the cheder and knew the right thing to say to the sick or to the bereaved,
than that they were a rabbi.

Nick Landau


Re: Barnato family questions #general

Paul Silverstone
 

Barney BARNATO's original name was Barnet ISAACS. He arrived in South Africa in
1873 >from England where he joined his older brother Henry. He had a sister Kate
(Isaacs) Barnato who married Joel JOEL. They had three sons, Woolf Joel, Lt. Col.
Solomon (Solly) Barnato Joel, a financier, and Jack Barnato Joel. He met his wife
in 1874 but their 3 children were born nearly 20 years later: Leah Primrose,
Isaac Henry (Jack), Woolf. The book "Jews of Britain" by Paul Emden, does not give
any details about his wife.
His son Jack was a flyer in WWI, later killed.

Paul Silverstone

bxzi@... wrote:

3 quick questions:

1) Was Jack Barnato the son or the nephew of Barney Barnato?

2) Was his widow (Dorothy or Dorothee) of Jewish ancestry?

3) Did they have any children?
--
Paul Silverstone
New York
Please reply to:
paulh@...


Re: The Reverend vs. Rabbi #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Evertjan." <exjxw.hannivoort@...> wrote:
snip

"Rev", >from Rebbe, is not a corruption of Rav., why should it?

I don't deny that many people genuinely thought and think that "rev" is >from
"reverend", but that does not mean it is the correct origin of the abbreviation.

Folk etymology can have a long history.
See http://www.jewish-history.com/Occident/volume1/mar1844/isaacs.html in which
there is a tribute to the Rev David M Isaacs of Liverpool Hebrew Congregation. At
the end of the page it describes him as the Reverend D M Isaacs.

Shall we leave it that in the Jewish context it is short for Reverend. Although I
didn't think that there was any different in the non-Jewish context.

Incidentally I now might have found the last word on the subject by Rabbi Ephraim
Mirvis of Finchley Syngagogue in London.

In http://www.hgss.org.uk/home/5763/Tzav.htm Rabbi Mirvis, who I used to know
slightly, says that "Reverend" is a most acceptable term for spiritual leader who
is not an "ordained Rabbi".

He writes that this word means "worthy of deep respect or reverence". It is used
within Jewish circles as a title for spiritual leaders who are not ordained
Rabbis.

He says that the original usage of the term is in the King James Version's
translation of Psalm 111:9 Kadosh Venora Shemo - Holy and Reverend is His Name. He
adds that this translation was adopted in many Jewish editions of the Bible.

My own gloss on the Rev/Rav usage is that there is a custom to use the term Rav
for marking with respect a very learned or pious person. This does not mean that
someone has got semicha but it is a mark of respect to normally an elderly member
of the community. So, in that sense, Rav and Rev/Reverend have exactly the same
meaning - but not origin.

Nick Landau
London, UK
--
COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)