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Re: Etymology of the name KRAVITZ #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:14:39 UTC, jrw@... (Judith Romney Wegner)
opined:

This particular folk-etymology is fascinating for another reason
also: it could neve have evolved but for the fact that the sounds
"B" and "V" are rendered by the same alphabet character in
Cyrillic. Otherwise there would have been no reason to associate the
V sound in KRAVITZ with the B sound in "B'Oholei" in the quoted
verse >from Psalms.
This is untrue. The sounds 'B" and "V" are not rendered by the same
character in any version of the Cyrillic alphabet. The two characters look
similar enough to anyone who does not know the alphabet or the language,
much as Hebrew *Resh* and *Daled*, or *Bet* and *Kaf*, confuse the non-Hebrew
reader (a tourist >from Hawaii once told me that the headline in a Hebrew newspaper
looked like a row of 7s -- my answer was that perhaps that was what happened
today). What effect this has on the reasoning laid out in the quoted
paragraph, I leave for the proponents of the two hypotheses.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Etymology of the name KRAVITZ #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:14:39 UTC, jrw@... (Judith Romney Wegner)
opined:

This particular folk-etymology is fascinating for another reason
also: it could neve have evolved but for the fact that the sounds
"B" and "V" are rendered by the same alphabet character in
Cyrillic. Otherwise there would have been no reason to associate the
V sound in KRAVITZ with the B sound in "B'Oholei" in the quoted
verse >from Psalms.
This is untrue. The sounds 'B" and "V" are not rendered by the same
character in any version of the Cyrillic alphabet. The two characters look
similar enough to anyone who does not know the alphabet or the language,
much as Hebrew *Resh* and *Daled*, or *Bet* and *Kaf*, confuse the non-Hebrew
reader (a tourist >from Hawaii once told me that the headline in a Hebrew newspaper
looked like a row of 7s -- my answer was that perhaps that was what happened
today). What effect this has on the reasoning laid out in the quoted
paragraph, I leave for the proponents of the two hypotheses.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

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Mandel #general

Ken or Ida Recu <susanr@...>
 

Does anyone want the Petition for Naturalization for
Mrs. Elsie MANDEL of 3104 Douglas Blvd., Chicago? She
was born 6 Feb 1895 in Warsaw, Poland, emigrated in
1906 >from Bremen to Baltimore. Married Leonard
2/10/23. Leonard was admitted 8/14/18 in Yuma County,
Arizona.

Ida & Ken Recu
Park Forest, Illinois


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mandel #general

Ken or Ida Recu <susanr@...>
 

Does anyone want the Petition for Naturalization for
Mrs. Elsie MANDEL of 3104 Douglas Blvd., Chicago? She
was born 6 Feb 1895 in Warsaw, Poland, emigrated in
1906 >from Bremen to Baltimore. Married Leonard
2/10/23. Leonard was admitted 8/14/18 in Yuma County,
Arizona.

Ida & Ken Recu
Park Forest, Illinois


FW: ViewMate 6418-6419: Translation of a Polish Letter - KOWEL, Vohlin #ukraine

Ganot <o_ganot@...>
 

Dear Group:

During the Holocaust, my mother-in-law was hiding for about two years,
together with some of her family members, in a pit at the cowshed or barn of
Righteus Polish peasants, in a small village near KOWEL, Vohlin. This is how
she survived the Shoah.

After the war she made Aliyah and settled in Tel-Aviv. For several years she
was corresponding with her rescuers, and even sent them some money, due to
their poor condition.

I am seeking assistance with the translation of a letter sent by the son of
the peasants in 1966 to my wife's mother.

The letter includes four pages, in two files:
The first file includes pages 1 and 4 (VM-6418), while the second one
includes pages 2 ans 3 of the letter (VM-6419). Both have been posted on
ViewMate.
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html .
The pages may be accessed directly at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6418
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6419

Please reply privately.

Thank you in advance,


Ilan GANOT
Holon, Israel

Researching: ITING, TUCH, KURS (Mazeikiai, Zidikai - North-western
Lithuania)
GOLDSTEIN, KOZAK (Kowel, Vohlin)
Spiegel, Lustig (Dolina area, Skole area - Eastern Galicia)

PS: My request for Yiddish translation (VM-6416 and VM-6417) was already
answered. No more translations are required.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine FW: ViewMate 6418-6419: Translation of a Polish Letter - KOWEL, Vohlin #ukraine

Ganot <o_ganot@...>
 

Dear Group:

During the Holocaust, my mother-in-law was hiding for about two years,
together with some of her family members, in a pit at the cowshed or barn of
Righteus Polish peasants, in a small village near KOWEL, Vohlin. This is how
she survived the Shoah.

After the war she made Aliyah and settled in Tel-Aviv. For several years she
was corresponding with her rescuers, and even sent them some money, due to
their poor condition.

I am seeking assistance with the translation of a letter sent by the son of
the peasants in 1966 to my wife's mother.

The letter includes four pages, in two files:
The first file includes pages 1 and 4 (VM-6418), while the second one
includes pages 2 ans 3 of the letter (VM-6419). Both have been posted on
ViewMate.
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html .
The pages may be accessed directly at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6418
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6419

Please reply privately.

Thank you in advance,


Ilan GANOT
Holon, Israel

Researching: ITING, TUCH, KURS (Mazeikiai, Zidikai - North-western
Lithuania)
GOLDSTEIN, KOZAK (Kowel, Vohlin)
Spiegel, Lustig (Dolina area, Skole area - Eastern Galicia)

PS: My request for Yiddish translation (VM-6416 and VM-6417) was already
answered. No more translations are required.


Searching for documents about the railway-official Jakob David Kantorowitz #ukraine

Alexander Dupuis <Rob.Dup.@...>
 

Hello,

that's my first time on ukraine-sig. Hoping you can help my with my
researchs for documents about my late great-greatgrandfather the russian
railway-official Jakob Davidov KANTOROWITZ/KANTOROVICH (b. 1835 in
Slonim/Belorus. d. 1903 in Warszawa or St. Petersburg), his wife
Henriette/Minne Mindel/Wilhemina Isaakovna KANTOROWITZ (b. 1842 in
Riga/Latvia, d. 12914 in St. Petersburg), nee KEILMANN and their three
childrens: Sophia Jakobovna KANTOROWITZ (b. 1863 in Vilnius, married ?
children? dies ?), Alexandr Jakobov KANTOROWITZ (b. 1866 in Vilnius, married
?, childrenms ? dies ?) and my greatgrandmum Eugenie Jakobovna KEILMANN, nee
KANTOROWITZ (b. 1868 in Vilnius; 1886 married in Riga with the dentist
Isidor Philipov KEILMANN; killed in autum 1941 into the Ghetto Riga/Latvia).
Now I want to know, if Jakob KANTOROWITZ as a railway official stood with
his family a time (ca. 1870-1886 ?) in CHARKOV/Ukraine ? My late
greatgrandmum Eugenie wrote in Riga into a notice 1936, that she grows up in
Charkov and went there to a privat school.

If any people can help my with my researchs, please contact me.


Best regards


Robert Dupuis
Berlin/Germany


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Searching for documents about the railway-official Jakob David Kantorowitz #ukraine

Alexander Dupuis <Rob.Dup.@...>
 

Hello,

that's my first time on ukraine-sig. Hoping you can help my with my
researchs for documents about my late great-greatgrandfather the russian
railway-official Jakob Davidov KANTOROWITZ/KANTOROVICH (b. 1835 in
Slonim/Belorus. d. 1903 in Warszawa or St. Petersburg), his wife
Henriette/Minne Mindel/Wilhemina Isaakovna KANTOROWITZ (b. 1842 in
Riga/Latvia, d. 12914 in St. Petersburg), nee KEILMANN and their three
childrens: Sophia Jakobovna KANTOROWITZ (b. 1863 in Vilnius, married ?
children? dies ?), Alexandr Jakobov KANTOROWITZ (b. 1866 in Vilnius, married
?, childrenms ? dies ?) and my greatgrandmum Eugenie Jakobovna KEILMANN, nee
KANTOROWITZ (b. 1868 in Vilnius; 1886 married in Riga with the dentist
Isidor Philipov KEILMANN; killed in autum 1941 into the Ghetto Riga/Latvia).
Now I want to know, if Jakob KANTOROWITZ as a railway official stood with
his family a time (ca. 1870-1886 ?) in CHARKOV/Ukraine ? My late
greatgrandmum Eugenie wrote in Riga into a notice 1936, that she grows up in
Charkov and went there to a privat school.

If any people can help my with my researchs, please contact me.


Best regards


Robert Dupuis
Berlin/Germany


ROGOVOY Surname? #ukraine

Gary Yarus <gpyarus@...>
 

Is anyone researching the surname of ROGOVOY?

If you are, I would like to hear >from you, as my maternal grandmother was
Clara ROGOVOY.

Gary Yarus
St. Louis, MO


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine ROGOVOY Surname? #ukraine

Gary Yarus <gpyarus@...>
 

Is anyone researching the surname of ROGOVOY?

If you are, I would like to hear >from you, as my maternal grandmother was
Clara ROGOVOY.

Gary Yarus
St. Louis, MO


Re: Seeking BENSCHER #germany

Lars E. Menk <Lmenk@...>
 

Rachel Davis wrote on GerSig:

BENSCHER - Trying to find information on Waldemar BENSCHER. He was born
Paussia, Germany and came over to England between 1881 and 1884. His
father was called Simon BENSCHER. He would have been born about 1856.
Peter Lowe <Peter.Lowe@...> has an entry on the www.familysearch.org
website (Ancestral File) about:

- Georg BENSCHER, b. 06 May 1852 in Frankfurt / Oder
son of Simon BENSCHER (b. ca. 1821 in ... , d. 19 Mar 1897 in Berlin) &
Bianca DEWITZ (b. 02 May 1830 in Frankfurt / Oder, d. 27 Mar 1897 in ?
Berlin)

In the "Gedenkbuch Berlins der jüdischen Opfer des Nationalsozialismus"
(Ed.: Freie Universität Berlin - Zentralinstitut für
sozialwissenschaftliche Forschung. Berlin: 1995) you can find:

- Lucie BENSCHER nee SIMONSOHN, b. 15 Aug 1881 in Stettin (Pomerania), d. 09
May 1940 in Berlin (committed suicide); last address: Berlin-Wilmersdorf,
Badensche Str. 17

Lucie BENSCHER was living as a pensioner (widow?) at the same address since
1931; she owned the house since ca. 1934. Only in 1938/39, a Gunda BENSCHER
is listed as woman of private means in Berlin-Wilmersdorf, Motzstr. 91.

No one named BENSCHER is listed in the Berlin directories >from 1925-30. (You
can find the Berlin directories at http://adressbuch.zlb.de/ )

Good luck with your research! Regards & Shalom,

Lars Menk Berlin, Germany Lmenk@...


German SIG #Germany Re: Seeking BENSCHER #germany

Lars E. Menk <Lmenk@...>
 

Rachel Davis wrote on GerSig:

BENSCHER - Trying to find information on Waldemar BENSCHER. He was born
Paussia, Germany and came over to England between 1881 and 1884. His
father was called Simon BENSCHER. He would have been born about 1856.
Peter Lowe <Peter.Lowe@...> has an entry on the www.familysearch.org
website (Ancestral File) about:

- Georg BENSCHER, b. 06 May 1852 in Frankfurt / Oder
son of Simon BENSCHER (b. ca. 1821 in ... , d. 19 Mar 1897 in Berlin) &
Bianca DEWITZ (b. 02 May 1830 in Frankfurt / Oder, d. 27 Mar 1897 in ?
Berlin)

In the "Gedenkbuch Berlins der jüdischen Opfer des Nationalsozialismus"
(Ed.: Freie Universität Berlin - Zentralinstitut für
sozialwissenschaftliche Forschung. Berlin: 1995) you can find:

- Lucie BENSCHER nee SIMONSOHN, b. 15 Aug 1881 in Stettin (Pomerania), d. 09
May 1940 in Berlin (committed suicide); last address: Berlin-Wilmersdorf,
Badensche Str. 17

Lucie BENSCHER was living as a pensioner (widow?) at the same address since
1931; she owned the house since ca. 1934. Only in 1938/39, a Gunda BENSCHER
is listed as woman of private means in Berlin-Wilmersdorf, Motzstr. 91.

No one named BENSCHER is listed in the Berlin directories >from 1925-30. (You
can find the Berlin directories at http://adressbuch.zlb.de/ )

Good luck with your research! Regards & Shalom,

Lars Menk Berlin, Germany Lmenk@...


Seek Jacob LOEB from Wachenheim #germany

Hansmartin Unger <hans-martinunger@...>
 

Dear GerSiggers

Looking for Jacob Löb or LOEB >from Wachenheim/Pfrimm not identical with the
famous wine-town Wachenheim/Pfalz.
Jacob LOEB 1768 - 1863 called Jegof Munsem has been a farmer and all his
house etc. has been or near the village of Monsheim todays belonging to
Grunstadt.
He married a woman Fradge HIRSCH. Jacob LOEB has had 6 children

Looking to your helping answers

Hansmartin Unger, St. Gallen hans-martinunger@...

MODERATOR NOTE: The family names of people you are researching and the
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write to us. The Moderator has corrected your email text accordingly
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not meet our format standards. Please cooperate.


German SIG #Germany Seek Jacob LOEB from Wachenheim #germany

Hansmartin Unger <hans-martinunger@...>
 

Dear GerSiggers

Looking for Jacob Löb or LOEB >from Wachenheim/Pfrimm not identical with the
famous wine-town Wachenheim/Pfalz.
Jacob LOEB 1768 - 1863 called Jegof Munsem has been a farmer and all his
house etc. has been or near the village of Monsheim todays belonging to
Grunstadt.
He married a woman Fradge HIRSCH. Jacob LOEB has had 6 children

Looking to your helping answers

Hansmartin Unger, St. Gallen hans-martinunger@...

MODERATOR NOTE: The family names of people you are researching and the
spouses and relatives of those people should be typed in ALL CAPS when you
write to us. The Moderator has corrected your email text accordingly
(LOEB 3 times & HIRSCH) but may reject any message to this list that does
not meet our format standards. Please cooperate.


Re: Sao Paulo Jewish Community address #germany

Yekkey@...
 

According to the 1996 World Jewish Travel Guide, the Federacao Israelita do
Estado do Sao Paulo (Jewish Federation of Sao Paulo State) is located on the
second floor at Avenue Paulista 726. The phone number is 288-6411. The book was
published before the internet was popular.

Dan Nussbaum New Bedford, Massachusetts


German SIG #Germany Re: Sao Paulo Jewish Community address #germany

Yekkey@...
 

According to the 1996 World Jewish Travel Guide, the Federacao Israelita do
Estado do Sao Paulo (Jewish Federation of Sao Paulo State) is located on the
second floor at Avenue Paulista 726. The phone number is 288-6411. The book was
published before the internet was popular.

Dan Nussbaum New Bedford, Massachusetts


Re: RIJO website has disappeared #germany

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

On 5 Jul , 2005, at 4:08 AM, Andreas J Schwab wrote:
Does anybody know why the RIJO website has disappeared?
This site was (I think) organzed by Obermayer awardees Gerhard JOCHEM
and Susanne RIEGER and had very good information mainly on Nuernberg.
The address was: http://home.t-online.de/home/RIJONUE/homepage.htm
I also tried: www.rijo-research.de
but this site is supposedly under construction.
I was very shocked by your message, Andreas, and so I went searching
for their homepage. You are right. It has disappeared. And yet, as of
7/7/05, webverzeichnis.de gives the following information on the RIJO page:
Titel:
RIJO

Beschreibung:
J=FCdische Geschichte, NS-Zeit und Nachkriegsgeschichte in Bayern sowie

allgemeine Informationen zum Thema Zwangsarbeit w=E4hrend des Zweiten

Weltkriegs.

Kategorie:
Regional > Europa > Deutschland > Bayern > Gesellschaft > Geschichte

Link:
http://home.t-online.de/home/RIJONUE/german.htm

However, that link brings up something else. Gerhard, if you are
reading this, please give us your new address!

Martha Lev-Zion, Israel <martha@...>


German SIG #Germany Re: RIJO website has disappeared #germany

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

On 5 Jul , 2005, at 4:08 AM, Andreas J Schwab wrote:
Does anybody know why the RIJO website has disappeared?
This site was (I think) organzed by Obermayer awardees Gerhard JOCHEM
and Susanne RIEGER and had very good information mainly on Nuernberg.
The address was: http://home.t-online.de/home/RIJONUE/homepage.htm
I also tried: www.rijo-research.de
but this site is supposedly under construction.
I was very shocked by your message, Andreas, and so I went searching
for their homepage. You are right. It has disappeared. And yet, as of
7/7/05, webverzeichnis.de gives the following information on the RIJO page:
Titel:
RIJO

Beschreibung:
J=FCdische Geschichte, NS-Zeit und Nachkriegsgeschichte in Bayern sowie

allgemeine Informationen zum Thema Zwangsarbeit w=E4hrend des Zweiten

Weltkriegs.

Kategorie:
Regional > Europa > Deutschland > Bayern > Gesellschaft > Geschichte

Link:
http://home.t-online.de/home/RIJONUE/german.htm

However, that link brings up something else. Gerhard, if you are
reading this, please give us your new address!

Martha Lev-Zion, Israel <martha@...>


Re; Jewish surnames #general

HPOLLINS@...
 

Does this assist the discussion?

InLionel Kochan's new book, The Making of Western Jewry, 1600-1819, page
233, he states that under Joseph II, 'by a patent of 1787 they were required to
discard their inherited Jewish names and take on German given and family
names'.

One possible inference >from this is that Jews could decide to take on
whichever Jewish names they wished.

Harold Pollins
Oxford, England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re; Jewish surnames #general

HPOLLINS@...
 

Does this assist the discussion?

InLionel Kochan's new book, The Making of Western Jewry, 1600-1819, page
233, he states that under Joseph II, 'by a patent of 1787 they were required to
discard their inherited Jewish names and take on German given and family
names'.

One possible inference >from this is that Jews could decide to take on
whichever Jewish names they wished.

Harold Pollins
Oxford, England