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First Jews in England #general

David Kravitz
 

"Evertjan Hannivoort wrote

The first Jewish families arived in Britain perhaps with the Phoenicians,
far more tha 2000 years ago, as Simon Goulden of the United Synagogue
writes here: Daf Hashavua 23/9/2000 <http://tinyurl.com/7ts5n>

Or else they surely came with the Roman conquest, but even if they did
arrive with William the conqueror as late as 1066, your expectation of
great genealogical resources is not very reasonable. ;-} " <<

The Jews of England were kicked out and only returned after Oliver Cromwell
invited them back. The oldest synagogue in England is Sephardic, dating >from
1702, and is still very much in use today despite, not the least, an IRA
bomb. I understand that they hold very good records going back 300 years.
The oldest Ashkenazi synagogue >from this period is in Plymouth going back
250 years and I am sure they, too, have some records.

David Kravitz
Netanya, Israel
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen First Jews in England #general

David Kravitz
 

"Evertjan Hannivoort wrote

The first Jewish families arived in Britain perhaps with the Phoenicians,
far more tha 2000 years ago, as Simon Goulden of the United Synagogue
writes here: Daf Hashavua 23/9/2000 <http://tinyurl.com/7ts5n>

Or else they surely came with the Roman conquest, but even if they did
arrive with William the conqueror as late as 1066, your expectation of
great genealogical resources is not very reasonable. ;-} " <<

The Jews of England were kicked out and only returned after Oliver Cromwell
invited them back. The oldest synagogue in England is Sephardic, dating >from
1702, and is still very much in use today despite, not the least, an IRA
bomb. I understand that they hold very good records going back 300 years.
The oldest Ashkenazi synagogue >from this period is in Plymouth going back
250 years and I am sure they, too, have some records.

David Kravitz
Netanya, Israel
Re: British-Jewish genealogy #general

HPOLLINS@...
 

<The first Jewish families arived in Britain perhaps with the Phoenicians,
far more tha 2000 years ago, as Simon Goulden of the United Synagogue
writes here:

Daf Hashavua 23/9/2000 <http://tinyurl.com/7ts5n>

Or else they surely came with the Roman conquest,>

---

The website source speaks of the Cornish town called Marazion being possibly
an indication that Jews were in Cornwall in the Phoenician period. This has
been refuted many times. Similarly as to Jews in Roman Britain, this was
examined extensively by Shimon Applebaum in an article in Transactions of the
Jewish Historical Society of England, vol 17, 1953. He concluded that there was
possibly some minor evidence but it was very problematic and uncertain.

Harold Pollins
Oxford
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: British-Jewish genealogy #general

HPOLLINS@...
 

<The first Jewish families arived in Britain perhaps with the Phoenicians,
far more tha 2000 years ago, as Simon Goulden of the United Synagogue
writes here:

Daf Hashavua 23/9/2000 <http://tinyurl.com/7ts5n>

Or else they surely came with the Roman conquest,>

---

The website source speaks of the Cornish town called Marazion being possibly
an indication that Jews were in Cornwall in the Phoenician period. This has
been refuted many times. Similarly as to Jews in Roman Britain, this was
examined extensively by Shimon Applebaum in an article in Transactions of the
Jewish Historical Society of England, vol 17, 1953. He concluded that there was
possibly some minor evidence but it was very problematic and uncertain.

Harold Pollins
Oxford
Ancestry of Hillel #general

Chaim freedman
 

Seeking sources for the ancestry of Hillel.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ancestry of Hillel #general

Chaim freedman
 

Seeking sources for the ancestry of Hillel.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il
Partial SUCCESS - MELNICK/WYGODA - Pultusk/Rozan #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Thank you to everyone who responded to my message regarding family MELNICK
from Pultusk and family Wygoda >from Rozan.
Someone in Australia forwarded me their 17 page Melnick family tree and
there were the names I had been searching for contained within it - a true
miracle.

As for the Wygoda side - we have now boiled down the facts to the
following:-

Rozan - Poland. - family also known to have been in Pultusk.

WYGODA :- Chaim Schmuel born in Rozan 1894 - thought to have had siblings
Nachman, Leah, Dina, and Gendla (who married a Dan Holtzman). Parents were
MOSHE NATAN WYGODA - wife possibly Pesia.

The key lies with siblings of MOSHE NATAN WYGODA.

If anyone recognises the above names within their family please do contact
me.

Thanking everyone once again.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Partial SUCCESS - MELNICK/WYGODA - Pultusk/Rozan #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Thank you to everyone who responded to my message regarding family MELNICK
from Pultusk and family Wygoda >from Rozan.
Someone in Australia forwarded me their 17 page Melnick family tree and
there were the names I had been searching for contained within it - a true
miracle.

As for the Wygoda side - we have now boiled down the facts to the
following:-

Rozan - Poland. - family also known to have been in Pultusk.

WYGODA :- Chaim Schmuel born in Rozan 1894 - thought to have had siblings
Nachman, Leah, Dina, and Gendla (who married a Dan Holtzman). Parents were
MOSHE NATAN WYGODA - wife possibly Pesia.

The key lies with siblings of MOSHE NATAN WYGODA.

If anyone recognises the above names within their family please do contact
me.

Thanking everyone once again.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)
Descendants of Elias & Rosa ISAACS #general

Mimi Katz <GeveretKatz@...>
 

I'm looking for descendants of Elias and Rosa Pinner ISAACS who lived in
Birmingham, England in the late 1800's and into the 1900's. Both were born
in Germany in the late 1850's. Elias was the son of Isaac ISAACS. Rosa was
the daughter of Louis PINNER.

Any information on this family would be appreciated.
Thank you,

Mimi Katz, Chicago
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Descendants of Elias & Rosa ISAACS #general

Mimi Katz <GeveretKatz@...>
 

I'm looking for descendants of Elias and Rosa Pinner ISAACS who lived in
Birmingham, England in the late 1800's and into the 1900's. Both were born
in Germany in the late 1850's. Elias was the son of Isaac ISAACS. Rosa was
the daughter of Louis PINNER.

Any information on this family would be appreciated.
Thank you,

Mimi Katz, Chicago
Re: How to get a book? #hungary

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 03:36:43 UTC, tom.vene@uol.com.br (Tom Venetianer)
opined:

Dear all,

I need a tip. My uncle, a Holocaust victim and a quite prominent lawyer, wrote a
book, published in 1938. I discovered a copy in a Slovak library and tried to
buy it but was turned down by the chief librarian.

Any ideas about how I could convince her to sell it to me. To the library the
book is just an old tractate dusting on their shelves, for me an invaluable
memorabilia.

Many thanks and regards
Tom
Libraries are full of old dusty tractates; that's what they do, and it's one
of the differences between libraries and bookstores. Libraries _acquire_
books, they don't sell them. It might be a better idea to ask her for the
addresses of dealers in old books. Or to buy a much more valuable book (that
they don't already have) and offer to swap.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.
How to Get a Book? #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I think it is presumptuous to think you could buy a book >from a library.
Some libraries might be willing to do it if they had a duplicate or were
throwing it out. However, your best bet is to have the library copy the
book for you. Another means of obtaining an actual copy is to search for a
copy on-line under booksellers. If the book were Jewish-oriented you could
focus on those who sell old Judaica, but if it is a legal book, you could
focus on those who sell that sort of material.

You could have posted the name of the book and the author in case someone
were familiar with the book.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How to get a book? #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 03:36:43 UTC, tom.vene@uol.com.br (Tom Venetianer)
opined:

Dear all,

I need a tip. My uncle, a Holocaust victim and a quite prominent lawyer, wrote a
book, published in 1938. I discovered a copy in a Slovak library and tried to
buy it but was turned down by the chief librarian.

Any ideas about how I could convince her to sell it to me. To the library the
book is just an old tractate dusting on their shelves, for me an invaluable
memorabilia.

Many thanks and regards
Tom
Libraries are full of old dusty tractates; that's what they do, and it's one
of the differences between libraries and bookstores. Libraries _acquire_
books, they don't sell them. It might be a better idea to ask her for the
addresses of dealers in old books. Or to buy a much more valuable book (that
they don't already have) and offer to swap.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen How to Get a Book? #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I think it is presumptuous to think you could buy a book >from a library.
Some libraries might be willing to do it if they had a duplicate or were
throwing it out. However, your best bet is to have the library copy the
book for you. Another means of obtaining an actual copy is to search for a
copy on-line under booksellers. If the book were Jewish-oriented you could
focus on those who sell old Judaica, but if it is a legal book, you could
focus on those who sell that sort of material.

You could have posted the name of the book and the author in case someone
were familiar with the book.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net
Re: How to get a book? #hungary

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 7/16/2005 11:26:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tom.vene@uol.com.br writes:

< I need a tip. My uncle, a Holocaust victim and a quite prominent lawyer,
wrote a book, published in 1938. I discovered a copy in a Slovak library and
tried to buy it but was turned down by the chief librarian.

< Any ideas about how I could convince her to sell it to me. To the library
the book is just an old tractate dusting on their shelves, for me an invaluable
memorabilia. >


==A librarian is generally bound by rules, and rules for letting go of books
are generally tight. Typically, in the USA, a library takes stock of
no-longer-required books just once every few years--and the librarian would not
want to be bothered with packing, mailing, collecting payment and cashing checks.

==I recently googled for copies of one of my old books that I was intending
to update and republish--and retrieved a copy >from a small hotel in southern
Argentina that had posted a list of the English language boos it held in its
guest library. (I showed my appreciation by mailing back a carton of books I
had finished reading. You might want to send the librarian a box of excessed
books in good condition and likely to be of interest in that city, just as a
gesture of friendship, and without a condition. You never know; she may
have something to offer you, anyway.

==google your uncle's name--you may come up with additional important
information beyond other locations of the book.

Michael Bernet, New York,
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How to get a book? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 7/16/2005 11:26:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tom.vene@uol.com.br writes:

< I need a tip. My uncle, a Holocaust victim and a quite prominent lawyer,
wrote a book, published in 1938. I discovered a copy in a Slovak library and
tried to buy it but was turned down by the chief librarian.

< Any ideas about how I could convince her to sell it to me. To the library
the book is just an old tractate dusting on their shelves, for me an invaluable
memorabilia. >


==A librarian is generally bound by rules, and rules for letting go of books
are generally tight. Typically, in the USA, a library takes stock of
no-longer-required books just once every few years--and the librarian would not
want to be bothered with packing, mailing, collecting payment and cashing checks.

==I recently googled for copies of one of my old books that I was intending
to update and republish--and retrieved a copy >from a small hotel in southern
Argentina that had posted a list of the English language boos it held in its
guest library. (I showed my appreciation by mailing back a carton of books I
had finished reading. You might want to send the librarian a box of excessed
books in good condition and likely to be of interest in that city, just as a
gesture of friendship, and without a condition. You never know; she may
have something to offer you, anyway.

==google your uncle's name--you may come up with additional important
information beyond other locations of the book.

Michael Bernet, New York,
Yurgenborg??? #general

ksrand@...
 

A cousin gave me a family history. It says that my grandfather and his
brothers were born in Sarle, State of Korne, Russia. I finally figured out that
some "r's" should be "v's," and they were born in Savli (Siauliai), Kovno
(now Lithuania). The history says that my g-g-grandfather, Moses Leiserowitz,
was a rabbi who died in his home in Yurgenborg, Russia. Does anyone have
any idea where that might be or what the real town name might be? I can't find
any reference anywhere to anything like Yurgenborg.

Please reply privately. Thanks for any leads.

Kathy Rand
ksrand@aol.com
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Yurgenborg??? #general

ksrand@...
 

A cousin gave me a family history. It says that my grandfather and his
brothers were born in Sarle, State of Korne, Russia. I finally figured out that
some "r's" should be "v's," and they were born in Savli (Siauliai), Kovno
(now Lithuania). The history says that my g-g-grandfather, Moses Leiserowitz,
was a rabbi who died in his home in Yurgenborg, Russia. Does anyone have
any idea where that might be or what the real town name might be? I can't find
any reference anywhere to anything like Yurgenborg.

Please reply privately. Thanks for any leads.

Kathy Rand
ksrand@aol.com
Burstyn, Bukaczowce, Kuropatniki #general

Shari Kantrow
 

Dear Genners,
I am so incredibly grateful for you all. How
amazing that no sooner had I posted, you were there to
help me bust down those brick walls once again. So
many of you not only responded immediately but
actually researched and found my g-grandfather, his
siblings and parents. I love this community and what
genners do for each other; what a selfless group. I
will respond in kind by thanking Jewishgen, so they
can continue doing what they do.
Regards,
Shari Kantrow
Bloomfield, NJ

researching:
MEYER, KAFKA, KUPFER, SCHAFF -Russian/Poland>NY
BLITZER,KARPET,JACOBSON,LANDSMAN, BLITZMAN,BLAZER
PLATZMAN, REYITTS (REIZ)Kamenets-Podolskiy, Podolia >NY
HABERMAN,DICKMAN- Bukaczowce>NY
SCHNEIDER, MILBAUER, MEYER - Austria
SCHWARTZ,,SHAPIRO- Bursztyn-Galicia>NY

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Burstyn, Bukaczowce, Kuropatniki #general

Shari Kantrow
 

Dear Genners,
I am so incredibly grateful for you all. How
amazing that no sooner had I posted, you were there to
help me bust down those brick walls once again. So
many of you not only responded immediately but
actually researched and found my g-grandfather, his
siblings and parents. I love this community and what
genners do for each other; what a selfless group. I
will respond in kind by thanking Jewishgen, so they
can continue doing what they do.
Regards,
Shari Kantrow
Bloomfield, NJ

researching:
MEYER, KAFKA, KUPFER, SCHAFF -Russian/Poland>NY
BLITZER,KARPET,JACOBSON,LANDSMAN, BLITZMAN,BLAZER
PLATZMAN, REYITTS (REIZ)Kamenets-Podolskiy, Podolia >NY
HABERMAN,DICKMAN- Bukaczowce>NY
SCHNEIDER, MILBAUER, MEYER - Austria
SCHWARTZ,,SHAPIRO- Bursztyn-Galicia>NY

MODERATOR NOTE: Contributions to JewishGen can be placed at:
www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity
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