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Re: Looking for "Oral Historians" in Louisville, Cincinnati and Wilmington #general

James R. Platt <jrplatt@...>
 

As part of working on my family history I am looking for experienced
individuals who could help take oral histories of elderly relatives in
Louisville, KY; Cincinnati, OH and Wilmington, DE. I would prefer people who
have done this before and thus can use their experience and expertise to
elicit as much information as possible while making the subject feel at
ease.

I believe that Hadassah used to have volunteers who did this, but I don't
believe the service still exists. Perhaps someone knows of an organization
that could help? I would expect to pay a fee or make a donation to a
charitable organization for the person taking the history.

Please respond privately. Thank you very much.

J. Platt
jrplatt@mindspring.com
New York, NY
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Looking for "Oral Historians" in Louisville, Cincinnati and Wilmington #general

James R. Platt <jrplatt@...>
 

As part of working on my family history I am looking for experienced
individuals who could help take oral histories of elderly relatives in
Louisville, KY; Cincinnati, OH and Wilmington, DE. I would prefer people who
have done this before and thus can use their experience and expertise to
elicit as much information as possible while making the subject feel at
ease.

I believe that Hadassah used to have volunteers who did this, but I don't
believe the service still exists. Perhaps someone knows of an organization
that could help? I would expect to pay a fee or make a donation to a
charitable organization for the person taking the history.

Please respond privately. Thank you very much.

J. Platt
jrplatt@mindspring.com
New York, NY
Re: Warsaw 'Russia" #general

Alan <aNOhsSPAMsha@...>
 

In article <000501c58af4$57f8bea0$bd031b41@Sandy>,
sberg@kc.rr.com (Sandy Berg) wrote:

I recently found the death certificate of a great-uncle stating the he and
his parents were born in Warsaw "Russia". They were all born in the mid to
late l800's. I assume that Warsaw was considered part of Russia at that
time,
Yes. It was part of the Russian Empire until 1918. Warsaw was the
capital of the Warsaw (Varshavskaya) guberniya.

but do you think that this meant the "city" Warsaw, that we know it
today, or were Jews not allowed to live in the city? Could this have
really meant an area outside the city like a gobernia?
I don't know about permission to live in the city, but in general it's
hard to tell exactly what someone meant by this. To people who don't
know the names of the various suburbs of Boston, I often just say I live
in Boston.

--
Alan Shuchat, Newton, Mass.
aNOhsSPAMsha@rcn.com (remove NO SPAM)

SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)
Re: Were cousin marriages legal in NY in 1909? #general

Paul Silverstone
 

In 1921 my father's cousin married his niece. They could not do so in
NY as such marriages were illegal, so they went to Rhode Island.
Paul Silverstone

Jill Carrigan wrote:

At that point in NY, they probably would not have cared. I'd still go for
it.

Jill Carrigan

"Israel P" <IsraelP@pikholz.org> wrote

An aunt of my mother's married a man who may have been her first cousin,
in 1909 in Manhattan.

I have ordered the marriage record, intending to see the parents' names,
but it occurs to me that if NY did not allow cousin marriages, the
information on the marriage record may be phoney. (There were recent
immigrants >from Russia and may not have had independent birth
documentation.)

Am I worrying for naught?

Israel Pickholtz
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Warsaw 'Russia" #general

Alan <aNOhsSPAMsha@...>
 

In article <000501c58af4$57f8bea0$bd031b41@Sandy>,
sberg@kc.rr.com (Sandy Berg) wrote:

I recently found the death certificate of a great-uncle stating the he and
his parents were born in Warsaw "Russia". They were all born in the mid to
late l800's. I assume that Warsaw was considered part of Russia at that
time,
Yes. It was part of the Russian Empire until 1918. Warsaw was the
capital of the Warsaw (Varshavskaya) guberniya.

but do you think that this meant the "city" Warsaw, that we know it
today, or were Jews not allowed to live in the city? Could this have
really meant an area outside the city like a gobernia?
I don't know about permission to live in the city, but in general it's
hard to tell exactly what someone meant by this. To people who don't
know the names of the various suburbs of Boston, I often just say I live
in Boston.

--
Alan Shuchat, Newton, Mass.
aNOhsSPAMsha@rcn.com (remove NO SPAM)

SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Were cousin marriages legal in NY in 1909? #general

Paul Silverstone
 

In 1921 my father's cousin married his niece. They could not do so in
NY as such marriages were illegal, so they went to Rhode Island.
Paul Silverstone

Jill Carrigan wrote:

At that point in NY, they probably would not have cared. I'd still go for
it.

Jill Carrigan

"Israel P" <IsraelP@pikholz.org> wrote

An aunt of my mother's married a man who may have been her first cousin,
in 1909 in Manhattan.

I have ordered the marriage record, intending to see the parents' names,
but it occurs to me that if NY did not allow cousin marriages, the
information on the marriage record may be phoney. (There were recent
immigrants >from Russia and may not have had independent birth
documentation.)

Am I worrying for naught?

Israel Pickholtz
The Bialystoker Memorial Book is Now Online #general

Mark Halpern
 

It is my great pleasure to announce that Bialystokers and others around
the world will now have access to _The Bialystoker Memorial Book_. The
entire English language part of the book (originally published in both
Yiddish and English), including all photos and captions, is being added
to Ada Holtzman's Zchor (Remembered) website at
<http://www.zchor.org/bialystok/yizkor1.htm>.

The objectives in making this book available to those >from around the
world with interest in Jewish Bialystok are:
1. To enable those interested to learn more about this city and its
Jewish residents >from the early days to the destruction of this beloved
city by the Nazi oppressors.
2. As a tribute to Jewish Bialystokers and others who perished during
the Shoah and those who survived and made a new life for themselves and
never forgot.

This Internet publication is a joint project of The Bialystoker Center
and Bikur Cholim in New York City, Ada Holtzman and her Zchor.org
website, and BialyGen, the Bialystok Region Jewish Genealogy Group.

We are very grateful to The Bialystoker Center for their permission to
publish this important historical document on the Internet. We
especially thank Barry L. Winston, President; Alys Kremer Grossman,
Secretary; and Daniel Muskin, Administrator for their interest and
support.

And, of course, we owe so much gratitude to and affection for Ada
Holtzman, who has selflessly worked to create an unparalleled memorial
to our ancestral town of Bialystok.

Ada has already added over half of the Book to her website and will be
adding the remaining chapters in the near future. Please check back
periodically.

Mark Halpern
BialyGen Coordinator
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/bialygen/homepage.htm
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The Bialystoker Memorial Book is Now Online #general

Mark Halpern
 

It is my great pleasure to announce that Bialystokers and others around
the world will now have access to _The Bialystoker Memorial Book_. The
entire English language part of the book (originally published in both
Yiddish and English), including all photos and captions, is being added
to Ada Holtzman's Zchor (Remembered) website at
<http://www.zchor.org/bialystok/yizkor1.htm>.

The objectives in making this book available to those >from around the
world with interest in Jewish Bialystok are:
1. To enable those interested to learn more about this city and its
Jewish residents >from the early days to the destruction of this beloved
city by the Nazi oppressors.
2. As a tribute to Jewish Bialystokers and others who perished during
the Shoah and those who survived and made a new life for themselves and
never forgot.

This Internet publication is a joint project of The Bialystoker Center
and Bikur Cholim in New York City, Ada Holtzman and her Zchor.org
website, and BialyGen, the Bialystok Region Jewish Genealogy Group.

We are very grateful to The Bialystoker Center for their permission to
publish this important historical document on the Internet. We
especially thank Barry L. Winston, President; Alys Kremer Grossman,
Secretary; and Daniel Muskin, Administrator for their interest and
support.

And, of course, we owe so much gratitude to and affection for Ada
Holtzman, who has selflessly worked to create an unparalleled memorial
to our ancestral town of Bialystok.

Ada has already added over half of the Book to her website and will be
adding the remaining chapters in the near future. Please check back
periodically.

Mark Halpern
BialyGen Coordinator
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/bialygen/homepage.htm
Travelog with Photos from Trip to the Ukraine #general

Joe Izen
 

I am pleased to invite the JewishGen community to read the first four
chapters of a travelog describing a trip I took with my wife and
children to Podolia, Ukraine and on to Bucharest, Roumania. We
visited several shtetls in the Ukraine, including Nova (Novaya)
Ushitsa where my bubbie and zeydie grew up. To find my log, please
visit my family's www site

http://izen.squirrelheads.org/

and click on the link to travelog. The sequence of towns we visited
during our trip was Budapest, Proskurov(Khmelnitsky),
Kamenets-Podolsk (Kamanets-Podolski), Dunavitz (Dunaevtsi), Nova
Ushitsa (Novaya Ushitsa), Shargorod, Medzhibozh, Letichev, Khotyn,
and Bucharest. So far, Budapest to Nova Ushitsa is finished. I am
still woring on my travel diary and photos for the rest of the trip
as well, but transforming my scrawl, emails, and photos into a
narrative is far more time consuming than I would ever have imagined.
Thanks to all the JewishGenners who provided so much helpful advice,
both before and after the trip.

As the travelog is lengthy (57 pages so far), I am making it
available in Acrobat (pdf) format. Most Mac, PC, and Linux computers
these days already have an Acrobat reader installed, but if yours
doesn't, you can find a free copy of Adobe reader at
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/

Let me preempt the inevitable questions about my trayf domain which
derives >from the name of an Appalachian fiddle tune. If you are still
curious, see http://squirrelheads.org/, but please don't post about
it to JewishGen!

-Joe Izen
--
Plano, TX
IZEN, AIZEN, KOHAN/KOGAN - Nova Ushitsa, Ukraine
LIEBOWITZ, LEBOWITZ - Jassy/Iasi, Roumania
ROSENTHAL - Bucharest, Roumania
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Travelog with Photos from Trip to the Ukraine #general

Joe Izen
 

I am pleased to invite the JewishGen community to read the first four
chapters of a travelog describing a trip I took with my wife and
children to Podolia, Ukraine and on to Bucharest, Roumania. We
visited several shtetls in the Ukraine, including Nova (Novaya)
Ushitsa where my bubbie and zeydie grew up. To find my log, please
visit my family's www site

http://izen.squirrelheads.org/

and click on the link to travelog. The sequence of towns we visited
during our trip was Budapest, Proskurov(Khmelnitsky),
Kamenets-Podolsk (Kamanets-Podolski), Dunavitz (Dunaevtsi), Nova
Ushitsa (Novaya Ushitsa), Shargorod, Medzhibozh, Letichev, Khotyn,
and Bucharest. So far, Budapest to Nova Ushitsa is finished. I am
still woring on my travel diary and photos for the rest of the trip
as well, but transforming my scrawl, emails, and photos into a
narrative is far more time consuming than I would ever have imagined.
Thanks to all the JewishGenners who provided so much helpful advice,
both before and after the trip.

As the travelog is lengthy (57 pages so far), I am making it
available in Acrobat (pdf) format. Most Mac, PC, and Linux computers
these days already have an Acrobat reader installed, but if yours
doesn't, you can find a free copy of Adobe reader at
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/

Let me preempt the inevitable questions about my trayf domain which
derives >from the name of an Appalachian fiddle tune. If you are still
curious, see http://squirrelheads.org/, but please don't post about
it to JewishGen!

-Joe Izen
--
Plano, TX
IZEN, AIZEN, KOHAN/KOGAN - Nova Ushitsa, Ukraine
LIEBOWITZ, LEBOWITZ - Jassy/Iasi, Roumania
ROSENTHAL - Bucharest, Roumania
KUNER /?KRUNER/FRANTZ or FRANCE sisters to Chicago 1918 #general

Eddie Stein
 

These 3 sisters came to Chicago in 1918.They came from
Pogrebische,Ukraine. One sister, Freyda remained in the
Ukraine. Freyda had a son,Leon who now lives near
Detroit. Leon would love to meet his Family. One of
Leon's aunts lived at xxxx Kimball in Chicago 1963.Any
help would be greatly appreciated.
Edward F.Stein,

Searching For Tsarovsky and Marotchnik from
Ruzhin,Ukraine. Lapititsky >from David
Horodok,Belarus.Edward F.Stein,
ef_stein@yahoo.com Southfield,Mi.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen KUNER /?KRUNER/FRANTZ or FRANCE sisters to Chicago 1918 #general

Eddie Stein
 

These 3 sisters came to Chicago in 1918.They came from
Pogrebische,Ukraine. One sister, Freyda remained in the
Ukraine. Freyda had a son,Leon who now lives near
Detroit. Leon would love to meet his Family. One of
Leon's aunts lived at xxxx Kimball in Chicago 1963.Any
help would be greatly appreciated.
Edward F.Stein,

Searching For Tsarovsky and Marotchnik from
Ruzhin,Ukraine. Lapititsky >from David
Horodok,Belarus.Edward F.Stein,
ef_stein@yahoo.com Southfield,Mi.
JCR-UK Update #unitedkingdom

John Berman <john_berman@...>
 

In 2001 JCR-UK was an idea, in 2005 its a tangible reference site
that can be used both by the genealogist or simply by those curious about Jewish
Life in the UK. The sites success is attributable to two factors

The donors, who are all listed at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/acknowledgements.htm

There are far too many to list them all in this posting.

The volunteers who work behind the scenes transcribing and formatting
and getting the data online.

In particular I should like to publicly thank Louise Messik, who
moderates this list and spends hours getting information online, she has worked
relentlessly for the past few years and will continue to do so (I sincerely
hope). More recently David Shulman has joined us and in his short time with
us he made tremendous progress, for instance see

http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/pre-1290.htm

Check out http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/whatsnew.htm

So JCR-UK goes >from strength to strength and will continue to do so,
its a project that will never be completed as there will always be something
to add.

Please see http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/providing.htm for information on
how you can help, nothing relevant will be rejected and if you have
something related to a community thats not listed thats not an
issue, we will add the community.

You dont have to donate thousands of records (though that would be
nice) a picture of a synagogue, community article etc, all these things help us
to permanently record Jewish Communities that do or have existed in the UK.

So once again thanks to all who make the site what it is.

Regards

John Berman
JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom JCR-UK Update #unitedkingdom

John Berman <john_berman@...>
 

In 2001 JCR-UK was an idea, in 2005 its a tangible reference site
that can be used both by the genealogist or simply by those curious about Jewish
Life in the UK. The sites success is attributable to two factors

The donors, who are all listed at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/acknowledgements.htm

There are far too many to list them all in this posting.

The volunteers who work behind the scenes transcribing and formatting
and getting the data online.

In particular I should like to publicly thank Louise Messik, who
moderates this list and spends hours getting information online, she has worked
relentlessly for the past few years and will continue to do so (I sincerely
hope). More recently David Shulman has joined us and in his short time with
us he made tremendous progress, for instance see

http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/pre-1290.htm

Check out http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/whatsnew.htm

So JCR-UK goes >from strength to strength and will continue to do so,
its a project that will never be completed as there will always be something
to add.

Please see http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/providing.htm for information on
how you can help, nothing relevant will be rejected and if you have
something related to a community thats not listed thats not an
issue, we will add the community.

You dont have to donate thousands of records (though that would be
nice) a picture of a synagogue, community article etc, all these things help us
to permanently record Jewish Communities that do or have existed in the UK.

So once again thanks to all who make the site what it is.

Regards

John Berman
Re: British-Jewish genealogy #general

Yisrael Asper
 

Jews did "arrive" in the Americas at least in the days of Bar Kochva. There are
Bar Kochva coins in the Americas and even a stone saying for the land of Judah.
Similarly Romans "arrived" in the Americas too a Roman bust was discovered in
Mexico.
Last I read it is not apparent though that the Jewish community had a separate
existence. Perhaps they quickly intermarried. What is known is that Columbus did
not discover America exactly. There were apparently accidental contacts.
The difference is once Columbus discovered America it never had to be
rediscovered.
Yiisrael Asper
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA

<The first Jewish families arived in Britain perhaps with the
Phoenicians, far more tha 2000 years ago, as Simon Goulden of the
United Synagogue writes here:

Daf Hashavua 23/9/2000 <http://tinyurl.com/7ts5n>

Or else they surely came with the Roman conquest,>

---

The website source speaks of the Cornish town called Marazion being
possibly an indication that Jews were in Cornwall in the Phoenician
period. This has been refuted many times. Similarly as to Jews in
Roman Britain, this was examined extensively by Shimon Applebaum in
an article in Transactions of the Jewish Historical Society of
England, vol 17, 1953. He concluded that there was possibly some minor
evidence but it was very problematic and uncertain.
The possibility however is much greater than Jews having arrived in the
America's before 1492.

If the first Jews came only with or shortly after William the Conqueror,
the fact that they were explelled >from Britain in 1395 strengthens that.

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: British-Jewish genealogy #general

Yisrael Asper
 

Jews did "arrive" in the Americas at least in the days of Bar Kochva. There are
Bar Kochva coins in the Americas and even a stone saying for the land of Judah.
Similarly Romans "arrived" in the Americas too a Roman bust was discovered in
Mexico.
Last I read it is not apparent though that the Jewish community had a separate
existence. Perhaps they quickly intermarried. What is known is that Columbus did
not discover America exactly. There were apparently accidental contacts.
The difference is once Columbus discovered America it never had to be
rediscovered.
Yiisrael Asper
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA

<The first Jewish families arived in Britain perhaps with the
Phoenicians, far more tha 2000 years ago, as Simon Goulden of the
United Synagogue writes here:

Daf Hashavua 23/9/2000 <http://tinyurl.com/7ts5n>

Or else they surely came with the Roman conquest,>

---

The website source speaks of the Cornish town called Marazion being
possibly an indication that Jews were in Cornwall in the Phoenician
period. This has been refuted many times. Similarly as to Jews in
Roman Britain, this was examined extensively by Shimon Applebaum in
an article in Transactions of the Jewish Historical Society of
England, vol 17, 1953. He concluded that there was possibly some minor
evidence but it was very problematic and uncertain.
The possibility however is much greater than Jews having arrived in the
America's before 1492.

If the first Jews came only with or shortly after William the Conqueror,
the fact that they were explelled >from Britain in 1395 strengthens that.

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
Re: First Jews in England #general

Yisrael Asper
 

No according to what I read there were Jews in England before but not enough to
dominate over the incomming French Jews. For all practical purposes the Jewish
community of Engand started with the Norman conquest. They even developed their
own branch of the French Nusach called Nusach HaEh.
Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA

In a message dated 7/17/2005 1:03:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
yisraelasper@comcast.net writes:

< There were Jews in England before the Norman conquest but after the Norman
conquest the Jews who were already in England found themselves culturally and
otherwise taken over by the French Jews. >

==I'm surprised by this. I grew up in England and was educated (many decades
ago) at Jewish academic high schools, but have ever before heard this. I
just checked the Enc Jud to get more information, and there learned that
England was among the last countries in medieval Europe where Jews settled.
There is mention of a possibility that "a small nucleus" of Jew may have lived
there under the Romans, and that in the Saxon period, "isolated Jews extended
their commercial activities as far as the British Isles". The EJ adds that the
"slender evidence" formerly adduced in support" of this belief "has no
validity."
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: First Jews in England #general

Yisrael Asper
 

No according to what I read there were Jews in England before but not enough to
dominate over the incomming French Jews. For all practical purposes the Jewish
community of Engand started with the Norman conquest. They even developed their
own branch of the French Nusach called Nusach HaEh.
Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA

In a message dated 7/17/2005 1:03:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
yisraelasper@comcast.net writes:

< There were Jews in England before the Norman conquest but after the Norman
conquest the Jews who were already in England found themselves culturally and
otherwise taken over by the French Jews. >

==I'm surprised by this. I grew up in England and was educated (many decades
ago) at Jewish academic high schools, but have ever before heard this. I
just checked the Enc Jud to get more information, and there learned that
England was among the last countries in medieval Europe where Jews settled.
There is mention of a possibility that "a small nucleus" of Jew may have lived
there under the Romans, and that in the Saxon period, "isolated Jews extended
their commercial activities as far as the British Isles". The EJ adds that the
"slender evidence" formerly adduced in support" of this belief "has no
validity."
Re: First Jews in England #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 7/17/2005 1:03:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
yisraelasper@comcast.net writes:

< There were Jews in England before the Norman conquest but after the
Norman conquest the Jews who were already in England found themselves culturally
and otherwise taken over by the French Jews. >

==I'm surprised by this. I grew up in England and was educated (many decades
ago) at Jewish academic high schools, but have ever before heard this. I
just checked the Enc Jud to get more information, and there learned that
England was among the last countries in medieval Europe where Jews settled.
There is mention of a possibility that "a small nucleus" of Jew may have lived
there under the Romans, and that in the Saxon period, "isolated Jews extended
their commercial activities as far as the British Isles". The EJ adds that the
"slender evidence" formerly adduced in support" of this belief "has no
validity."

==The Author of this section, incidentally, was British-Jewish
academician-historia Cecil Roth, an authority on British Jews if ever there was
one, who served as senior editor in Jerusalem of the Encyclopedia Judaica. There
is no on further information in the latest update (CD ROM edition) about original
Jewish settlement in England

==I'd really be excited to learn of recently discovered support for the
belief that there was a Jewish community in Enland before 1066.


Michael Bernet, New York,
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: First Jews in England #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 7/17/2005 1:03:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
yisraelasper@comcast.net writes:

< There were Jews in England before the Norman conquest but after the
Norman conquest the Jews who were already in England found themselves culturally
and otherwise taken over by the French Jews. >

==I'm surprised by this. I grew up in England and was educated (many decades
ago) at Jewish academic high schools, but have ever before heard this. I
just checked the Enc Jud to get more information, and there learned that
England was among the last countries in medieval Europe where Jews settled.
There is mention of a possibility that "a small nucleus" of Jew may have lived
there under the Romans, and that in the Saxon period, "isolated Jews extended
their commercial activities as far as the British Isles". The EJ adds that the
"slender evidence" formerly adduced in support" of this belief "has no
validity."

==The Author of this section, incidentally, was British-Jewish
academician-historia Cecil Roth, an authority on British Jews if ever there was
one, who served as senior editor in Jerusalem of the Encyclopedia Judaica. There
is no on further information in the latest update (CD ROM edition) about original
Jewish settlement in England

==I'd really be excited to learn of recently discovered support for the
belief that there was a Jewish community in Enland before 1066.


Michael Bernet, New York,
357681 - 357700 of 657724