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Re: Date of Thanksgiving 1918 - #general

Teewinot <teewinot13@...>
 

Barbara Mannlein wrote:

Does anyone have a universal calendar who could figure out the actual
date of Thanksgiving in 1918?
November 28, 1918.

Jeri Friedman (Florida, but born in NY)
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Teewinot13@netzero.net
~~~
Researching: FRIEDMAN, MILLER (Grodno, Poland/Russia/Belarus)
GEIST (?,Russia) GLICKMAN, STURMAN (Lublin, Poland/Russia)
LIEB/LEIBOWITZ (Jassy, Romania) GALINSKY, GELLIS (Suwalki, Poland/Russia)
KRASNOPOLSKY, SILBERMAN/SILVERMAN (Krasnopol, Poland/Russia)
KOPCIANSKY (?, Poland/Russia) GOLDSTEIN, SCHRAGER (?, Romania)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Date of Thanksgiving 1918 - #general

Teewinot <teewinot13@...>
 

Barbara Mannlein wrote:

Does anyone have a universal calendar who could figure out the actual
date of Thanksgiving in 1918?
November 28, 1918.

Jeri Friedman (Florida, but born in NY)
--
Teewinot13@netzero.net
~~~
Researching: FRIEDMAN, MILLER (Grodno, Poland/Russia/Belarus)
GEIST (?,Russia) GLICKMAN, STURMAN (Lublin, Poland/Russia)
LIEB/LEIBOWITZ (Jassy, Romania) GALINSKY, GELLIS (Suwalki, Poland/Russia)
KRASNOPOLSKY, SILBERMAN/SILVERMAN (Krasnopol, Poland/Russia)
KOPCIANSKY (?, Poland/Russia) GOLDSTEIN, SCHRAGER (?, Romania)
Re: Date of Thanksgiving 1918 - #general

Susan&David
 

You can use the jewishgen calendar conversion page to figure it out.

http://www.jewishgen.org/jos/josdates.htm

Enter November 30, 1918 in the civil calendar section to find out the
day of the week for the last day of November and work back >from there
to the fourth Thursday.

David Rosen
Boston, MA

Barbara Mannlein wrote:


Does anyone have a universal calendar who could figure out the actual
date of Thanksgiving in 1918?

TIA,
Barbara S. Mannlein
Tucson, AZ
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Date of Thanksgiving 1918 - #general

Susan&David
 

You can use the jewishgen calendar conversion page to figure it out.

http://www.jewishgen.org/jos/josdates.htm

Enter November 30, 1918 in the civil calendar section to find out the
day of the week for the last day of November and work back >from there
to the fourth Thursday.

David Rosen
Boston, MA

Barbara Mannlein wrote:


Does anyone have a universal calendar who could figure out the actual
date of Thanksgiving in 1918?

TIA,
Barbara S. Mannlein
Tucson, AZ
Nathanson/Name illigible on Manifest #general

LOUISE HAJDENBERG
 

Hello Fran,

I saw your post on JewishGen.
I am searching for Nathan, Nathanberg, Notenberg. It is even possible
they were Nathansons.Where did your family come >from originally? I have
some information >from Courland, Latvia and Lithuania about the
families, 19th century.
Please respond to me personally. I tried to do that with your email
address and it says not accepting email messages >from my account.

Regards,
Louise Hajdenberg


Dear Genners,
The name of my oldest Uncle on his Naturalization Paper is Nathanson.
This search was done at the National Archives in N.Y. by me.
Other pertinant information was not on the fiche.
He immigrated on the Rotterdam at the age of 17 ( ship manifest too
faint to read was found at FHL in Westwood, CA in jewish/Hebrew? ) He spoke
no English so whatever the person a the NY Dock heard is what I have. The
whole family who followed up until 1896 or 1897 used the same name.
Searching for Hebrew/Jewish name for Nathan Nathanson. For 9 years up
to now.
Thankyou for anything close.
Fran Marcus Entin
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Nathanson/Name illigible on Manifest #general

LOUISE HAJDENBERG
 

Hello Fran,

I saw your post on JewishGen.
I am searching for Nathan, Nathanberg, Notenberg. It is even possible
they were Nathansons.Where did your family come >from originally? I have
some information >from Courland, Latvia and Lithuania about the
families, 19th century.
Please respond to me personally. I tried to do that with your email
address and it says not accepting email messages >from my account.

Regards,
Louise Hajdenberg


Dear Genners,
The name of my oldest Uncle on his Naturalization Paper is Nathanson.
This search was done at the National Archives in N.Y. by me.
Other pertinant information was not on the fiche.
He immigrated on the Rotterdam at the age of 17 ( ship manifest too
faint to read was found at FHL in Westwood, CA in jewish/Hebrew? ) He spoke
no English so whatever the person a the NY Dock heard is what I have. The
whole family who followed up until 1896 or 1897 used the same name.
Searching for Hebrew/Jewish name for Nathan Nathanson. For 9 years up
to now.
Thankyou for anything close.
Fran Marcus Entin
Polish translation request - 2 words, "Skory (cuirs)" #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

I'd appreciate translation of these two words as found in
Poland business directory. An occupation or industry?
Definitions were not found in online translators.

Skory (cuirs) --- [w/ accent ' over o]

Thanks!
--
Bernard Kouchel
koosh@att.net
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish translation request - 2 words, "Skory (cuirs)" #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

I'd appreciate translation of these two words as found in
Poland business directory. An occupation or industry?
Definitions were not found in online translators.

Skory (cuirs) --- [w/ accent ' over o]

Thanks!
--
Bernard Kouchel
koosh@att.net
Pleasanton, CA- Renwick nuptials #general

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Is there a genner in the Pleasanton, California area who could be on the
lookout for a wedding announcement? I understand that a descendant of one
of the families I am tracing will be marrying in a week or so in that area.
His name is Gyre S RENWICK. I have no idea of the bride's name.

If the engagement announcement could be located as well, it would be a real
bonus.


Barbara S. Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privatley
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Pleasanton, CA- Renwick nuptials #general

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Is there a genner in the Pleasanton, California area who could be on the
lookout for a wedding announcement? I understand that a descendant of one
of the families I am tracing will be marrying in a week or so in that area.
His name is Gyre S RENWICK. I have no idea of the bride's name.

If the engagement announcement could be located as well, it would be a real
bonus.


Barbara S. Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privatley
Re: Same people marrying twice - 3 days apart!? #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Susana Leistner Bloch" <bloch@mts.net> wrote
I do not know the laws in Australia at the time or even now. My own
experience is that in many places, Brazil, where I come from, France where
I have attended weddings and several other places I have heard about do
not recognize a Rabbi or, for that matter, a Priest or Minister as
Justices of the Peace or licensed to perform marriages. So, in these
countries the Civil Ceremony is performed usually on the Thursday before
the religious wedding. There is always a small party involved, something
like a "rehearsal party" only the only thing they are rehearsing is
getting married <grin>.

This could have been the case with Len Levin's great-aunt Esther Cohen.
Why in a church? The wedding was not, after all, performed in the church
but in the manse. The very fact that the ceremony was performed in the
manse ( Reverend's home) shows that this was not a church / religious
wedding but a civil one. Perhaps the Reverend was the only person
available at that time who had a license to perform marriages and asked
the couple to come to him.

Susana Leistner Bloch
I have just come across this article by the late Rabbi Bernard Susser about
the intermarriage of Jews and Christians in Devon and Cornwall in the UK,
which discusses the laws relating to such marriages both >from a Christian
and a Jewish point of view.

http://www.jewishgen.org/JCR-UK/susser/thesis/thesischapterten.htm

It would certainly be true >from what he says that a marriage of a Jew and a
Christian would technically be possible in a church although both parties
were not baptised.

I suspect that a Unitarian Church would have fewer qualms about this.

In fact, a friend of mine who was not Jewish but not practising when he
married a practicing Christian they got married in an Unitarian Church
because they were able to bring readings >from both traditions to the service
(similar to what another poster experienced).

I hope that this posting is not too off-topic.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Same people marrying twice - 3 days apart!? #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Susana Leistner Bloch" <bloch@mts.net> wrote
I do not know the laws in Australia at the time or even now. My own
experience is that in many places, Brazil, where I come from, France where
I have attended weddings and several other places I have heard about do
not recognize a Rabbi or, for that matter, a Priest or Minister as
Justices of the Peace or licensed to perform marriages. So, in these
countries the Civil Ceremony is performed usually on the Thursday before
the religious wedding. There is always a small party involved, something
like a "rehearsal party" only the only thing they are rehearsing is
getting married <grin>.

This could have been the case with Len Levin's great-aunt Esther Cohen.
Why in a church? The wedding was not, after all, performed in the church
but in the manse. The very fact that the ceremony was performed in the
manse ( Reverend's home) shows that this was not a church / religious
wedding but a civil one. Perhaps the Reverend was the only person
available at that time who had a license to perform marriages and asked
the couple to come to him.

Susana Leistner Bloch
I have just come across this article by the late Rabbi Bernard Susser about
the intermarriage of Jews and Christians in Devon and Cornwall in the UK,
which discusses the laws relating to such marriages both >from a Christian
and a Jewish point of view.

http://www.jewishgen.org/JCR-UK/susser/thesis/thesischapterten.htm

It would certainly be true >from what he says that a marriage of a Jew and a
Christian would technically be possible in a church although both parties
were not baptised.

I suspect that a Unitarian Church would have fewer qualms about this.

In fact, a friend of mine who was not Jewish but not practising when he
married a practicing Christian they got married in an Unitarian Church
because they were able to bring readings >from both traditions to the service
(similar to what another poster experienced).

I hope that this posting is not too off-topic.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)
Re: Same people marrying twice - 3 days apart!? #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Susan" <susan.mann@ablebrains.com> wrote
Len -

While I am a total American when it comes to this sort of thing, it looks
like they needed to be married in their local church in order to be legally
married according to Australian/British law. I do know that the Church of
England used to be the registry of all life events for the Empire. The
Jewish ceremony was probably treated as the "real" wedding whereas the
Church wedding was the "civil" ceremony to satisfy the government.
According to a US website
http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=8657 "civil
marriage" in the UK civil registration of marriage began on July 1 1837.

In France, and I believe in Italy, it is not possible to have a religious
ceremony which counts also as the state registration of marriage, but in the
UK normally the Secretary of the Synagogue is appointed as the Registrar of
Marriages by the Registrar General. Once the religious ceremony has taken
place under the chupah (wedding canopy) the couple go into the Secretary's
office and with their witnesses sign the marriage register exactly in the
same way as would happen in a "Registry Office" wedding.

I believe that what happens in France where a wedding takes place in Church
is that the couple will, say, go to the Town Hall in the morning and get
officially married in a civil ceremony and they will get married in a
religious ceremony in the afternoon.

It is just possible that a synagogue was, for some reason, not registered
for marriages and one could possibly imagine that they might have married at
a State Registry Office beforehand.

But there has not been any reason, certainly since 1837, that someone would
get married in Church in order to be officially married.

I did participate as a minyan/quorum in a couple of religious marriage
ceremonies where the couple had been married in a registry office, and the
rabbi held a quiet service at his home to make the marriage kosher, if you
like. In these cases the couple had been married quite a few years, I
believe.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: RE:Same people marrying twice - 3 days apart!? #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Susan" <susan.mann@ablebrains.com> wrote
Len -

While I am a total American when it comes to this sort of thing, it looks
like they needed to be married in their local church in order to be legally
married according to Australian/British law. I do know that the Church of
England used to be the registry of all life events for the Empire. The
Jewish ceremony was probably treated as the "real" wedding whereas the
Church wedding was the "civil" ceremony to satisfy the government.
According to a US website
http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=8657 "civil
marriage" in the UK civil registration of marriage began on July 1 1837.

In France, and I believe in Italy, it is not possible to have a religious
ceremony which counts also as the state registration of marriage, but in the
UK normally the Secretary of the Synagogue is appointed as the Registrar of
Marriages by the Registrar General. Once the religious ceremony has taken
place under the chupah (wedding canopy) the couple go into the Secretary's
office and with their witnesses sign the marriage register exactly in the
same way as would happen in a "Registry Office" wedding.

I believe that what happens in France where a wedding takes place in Church
is that the couple will, say, go to the Town Hall in the morning and get
officially married in a civil ceremony and they will get married in a
religious ceremony in the afternoon.

It is just possible that a synagogue was, for some reason, not registered
for marriages and one could possibly imagine that they might have married at
a State Registry Office beforehand.

But there has not been any reason, certainly since 1837, that someone would
get married in Church in order to be officially married.

I did participate as a minyan/quorum in a couple of religious marriage
ceremonies where the couple had been married in a registry office, and the
rabbi held a quiet service at his home to make the marriage kosher, if you
like. In these cases the couple had been married quite a few years, I
believe.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)
Genealogy and calendar dates #poland

George Mason <gmason3815@...>
 

Perhaps someone can clarify this for me: Poland converted >from the Julian to
the Gregorian calendar system in 1582. However, following the Third
Partition of Poland in the late 1700s, it became part of the Russian Empire,
which remained on the Julian Calendar until 1918. So, when one finds a
birth, marriage, or death date in pre-1918 Polish civil documents, does one
assume the date given is in Julian (Old Style) or Gregorian (New Style)
form?

George Mason
USA

Researching MOZESSON in Poland
JRI Poland #Poland Genealogy and calendar dates #poland

George Mason <gmason3815@...>
 

Perhaps someone can clarify this for me: Poland converted >from the Julian to
the Gregorian calendar system in 1582. However, following the Third
Partition of Poland in the late 1700s, it became part of the Russian Empire,
which remained on the Julian Calendar until 1918. So, when one finds a
birth, marriage, or death date in pre-1918 Polish civil documents, does one
assume the date given is in Julian (Old Style) or Gregorian (New Style)
form?

George Mason
USA

Researching MOZESSON in Poland
Need Some Help Deciphering (Cyrillic) Family Name (BLUM? BULION?) on Wedding Bann #general

Howard Orenstein
 

Dear Friends,
I have two requests that are somewhat related.

(1) Please look at the following name that is highlighted in light aqua and
tell me what you think the person's family name is. The section was taken
from a wedding bann >from Wyszkow, Poland in 1880 written in Cyrillic. The name of
the parent is Zysman B?????
Could it be BLUM? Could it be BULION? BOLION?

http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/ZysmanB.jpg

(2) Does anyone have information about the family name BULION being
changed to BLUM?

Thanks for your help and please respond privately.
Howard Orenstein
Westminster, MD
horenstein@mcdaniel.edu

Searching for:
ORENSTEIN -- Serock, Wyszkow, Pultusk, Plonsk, Poland
HOLLAND (GOLAND), PIENIEK, OSTROWIAK -- Wyszkow, Poland
BLUM (BLOOM) -- Wyszkow, Poland; London, England
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need Some Help Deciphering (Cyrillic) Family Name (BLUM? BULION?) on Wedding Bann #general

Howard Orenstein
 

Dear Friends,
I have two requests that are somewhat related.

(1) Please look at the following name that is highlighted in light aqua and
tell me what you think the person's family name is. The section was taken
from a wedding bann >from Wyszkow, Poland in 1880 written in Cyrillic. The name of
the parent is Zysman B?????
Could it be BLUM? Could it be BULION? BOLION?

http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/ZysmanB.jpg

(2) Does anyone have information about the family name BULION being
changed to BLUM?

Thanks for your help and please respond privately.
Howard Orenstein
Westminster, MD
horenstein@mcdaniel.edu

Searching for:
ORENSTEIN -- Serock, Wyszkow, Pultusk, Plonsk, Poland
HOLLAND (GOLAND), PIENIEK, OSTROWIAK -- Wyszkow, Poland
BLUM (BLOOM) -- Wyszkow, Poland; London, England
Re: Polish translation request - 2 words, "Skory (cuirs)" , Thanks for replies #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

Thanks to all who replied.

I've been informed that the Polish Business Directories categorize the
business or industry in Polish followed by a French translation.
Hence (Pl) Skory; (Fr) cuirs. = (Eng.) leather. Furthermore (Fr.) cuirs is
said to be a type of leather you would use for a handbag or a jacket (as
opposed to a hide).

FYI this web page has a huge list of occupations translated >from French to
English.
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/bizdir/occupations.xls

--
Bernard Kouchel
koosh@att.net

I'd appreciate translation of these two words as found in
Poland business directory. An occupation or industry?
Definitions were not found in online translators.

Skory (cuirs) --- [w/ accent ' over o]

Thanks!
--
Bernard Kouchel
koosh@att.net
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Polish translation request - 2 words, "Skory (cuirs)" , Thanks for replies #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

Thanks to all who replied.

I've been informed that the Polish Business Directories categorize the
business or industry in Polish followed by a French translation.
Hence (Pl) Skory; (Fr) cuirs. = (Eng.) leather. Furthermore (Fr.) cuirs is
said to be a type of leather you would use for a handbag or a jacket (as
opposed to a hide).

FYI this web page has a huge list of occupations translated >from French to
English.
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/bizdir/occupations.xls

--
Bernard Kouchel
koosh@att.net

I'd appreciate translation of these two words as found in
Poland business directory. An occupation or industry?
Definitions were not found in online translators.

Skory (cuirs) --- [w/ accent ' over o]

Thanks!
--
Bernard Kouchel
koosh@att.net
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