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search for relatives #austria-czech

Keith Hatfield <hatfield.1@...>
 

To all those researchers out there.I am still desperately searching for any
information on my relatives. The only information that I have to date, is
the following:
My Mother was Hanna WERNER, born August 21st 1928 in prague, Czechoslovakia.
My Grandparents were:
Otto WERNER born 28.4.1892 and Ester WERNER, born ADLER in Lodz, Poland
16.12.1904.
My Maternal Great Grandparents were: (Ester's parents) Gerson ADLER born
in the Zdunska,Wola district of Lodz, Poland 11.05.1877.
His wife was Nach/Natalia ADLER nee MICHALOWICZ born Lodz, Poland, 4.1 or
23.12.1876.
Their other children were two daughters Anna ADLER born on the 4.or
3.12.1911, Lodz, Poland and Ida ADLER born in Lodz, Poland born 14. 01.1909.
They also had a son, Mosek Sljama (Moritz?) ADLER born on 22.3.1903 in
Brezna, Lodz, Poland. He lived in Slany near Kladno, with Anna and his Mother
Natalie and then they all moved to Prague.
Otto's parent's names were; Max and Fanny WERNER, circa?
Ida ADLER born 14. 01.1909 married in approximately 1930 a Jindrich HOFFMAN,
born 25.O9.1905. I believe they immigrated to Palestine and were the people
who cared for my Mother between the years 1939 and 1947.
Does anyone recognise any of these people and know anything further about
them? I would really love to find some relatives, more information or
perhaps some photos.
Regards
Sherry hatfield

MODERATOR NOTE: It's always good to list the names and places you are researching
on the JewishGen Family Finder. In this case, we also recommend consulting the
Lodz Area Research Group and the Israel Genealogical Society.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech search for relatives #austria-czech

Keith Hatfield <hatfield.1@...>
 

To all those researchers out there.I am still desperately searching for any
information on my relatives. The only information that I have to date, is
the following:
My Mother was Hanna WERNER, born August 21st 1928 in prague, Czechoslovakia.
My Grandparents were:
Otto WERNER born 28.4.1892 and Ester WERNER, born ADLER in Lodz, Poland
16.12.1904.
My Maternal Great Grandparents were: (Ester's parents) Gerson ADLER born
in the Zdunska,Wola district of Lodz, Poland 11.05.1877.
His wife was Nach/Natalia ADLER nee MICHALOWICZ born Lodz, Poland, 4.1 or
23.12.1876.
Their other children were two daughters Anna ADLER born on the 4.or
3.12.1911, Lodz, Poland and Ida ADLER born in Lodz, Poland born 14. 01.1909.
They also had a son, Mosek Sljama (Moritz?) ADLER born on 22.3.1903 in
Brezna, Lodz, Poland. He lived in Slany near Kladno, with Anna and his Mother
Natalie and then they all moved to Prague.
Otto's parent's names were; Max and Fanny WERNER, circa?
Ida ADLER born 14. 01.1909 married in approximately 1930 a Jindrich HOFFMAN,
born 25.O9.1905. I believe they immigrated to Palestine and were the people
who cared for my Mother between the years 1939 and 1947.
Does anyone recognise any of these people and know anything further about
them? I would really love to find some relatives, more information or
perhaps some photos.
Regards
Sherry hatfield

MODERATOR NOTE: It's always good to list the names and places you are researching
on the JewishGen Family Finder. In this case, we also recommend consulting the
Lodz Area Research Group and the Israel Genealogical Society.


Re: Trade translation #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

I guess the document is in Polish, isn't it? If so, it's "Faktora",
genitive of "Faktor". The word had various meanings (it's obsolete now).
In 19th / early 20th C it meant "middleman", and I suppose this is the
right translation in this case (in Central-Eastern and Eastern Europe many
Jews acted as middlemen in various matters). Earlier, it could mean
"plenipotentiary". Occasionally the word was also used (in 19th C) to
denote a letter-carrier/postman (>from the French "facteur"), but this
would be in those regions where the influence of French was strong. In a
nutshell, without knowing the context, I think "middleman" is what you
need.

-Margaret Mikulska
Princeton, NJ, USA / Warsaw, Poland
The term "factor" has the same meaning in English English, although it is
rather out of date ie a wholesaler or a dealer.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Trade translation #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

I guess the document is in Polish, isn't it? If so, it's "Faktora",
genitive of "Faktor". The word had various meanings (it's obsolete now).
In 19th / early 20th C it meant "middleman", and I suppose this is the
right translation in this case (in Central-Eastern and Eastern Europe many
Jews acted as middlemen in various matters). Earlier, it could mean
"plenipotentiary". Occasionally the word was also used (in 19th C) to
denote a letter-carrier/postman (>from the French "facteur"), but this
would be in those regions where the influence of French was strong. In a
nutshell, without knowing the context, I think "middleman" is what you
need.

-Margaret Mikulska
Princeton, NJ, USA / Warsaw, Poland
The term "factor" has the same meaning in English English, although it is
rather out of date ie a wholesaler or a dealer.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


Re: Publishing genealogies #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

With the UK Census, the restriction is 100 years.


--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Publishing genealogies #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

With the UK Census, the restriction is 100 years.


--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


Re: Publishing genealogies #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Judith Lipmanson" < lipmanson@... > wrote:

Rachel:

I have my personal strong opinion against Jews publishing their family
trees on the web -- in the public domain. I'd give you my reasons except
that I would, metaphorically, have my wrists slapped by the the moderator
of this forum.

I know others don't share my opinion; but, it would be polite for you to
canvass your living relatives to get their permissions even though their
names may not be published. Your ancestors are theirs also.

Judith Lipmanson
I have experienced a very distant connection (the precise relationship I
don't know) sending me a copy of my familytree with details of my immediate
family with their birth dates and their relationships to each other.

I know that if I were to mention this to my close relations that they would
be very concerned that someone who has very little connection to them has
obtained this information which includes children of school age.

In fact, they would be very angry and would want to know how she got hold of
the information.

There is therefore a question of when does a connection stop being family -
they might be family in terms of a familytree but someone whose relationship
goes back to 1800 hardly counts as family in most people's understanding.

At that degree of separation I would be related to half the Jews in London.


--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Publishing genealogies #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Judith Lipmanson" < lipmanson@... > wrote:

Rachel:

I have my personal strong opinion against Jews publishing their family
trees on the web -- in the public domain. I'd give you my reasons except
that I would, metaphorically, have my wrists slapped by the the moderator
of this forum.

I know others don't share my opinion; but, it would be polite for you to
canvass your living relatives to get their permissions even though their
names may not be published. Your ancestors are theirs also.

Judith Lipmanson
I have experienced a very distant connection (the precise relationship I
don't know) sending me a copy of my familytree with details of my immediate
family with their birth dates and their relationships to each other.

I know that if I were to mention this to my close relations that they would
be very concerned that someone who has very little connection to them has
obtained this information which includes children of school age.

In fact, they would be very angry and would want to know how she got hold of
the information.

There is therefore a question of when does a connection stop being family -
they might be family in terms of a familytree but someone whose relationship
goes back to 1800 hardly counts as family in most people's understanding.

At that degree of separation I would be related to half the Jews in London.


--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


Sanatorium Furth, Vienna - Birth and Death Links #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Today was a very special day for me. I met for the first time, an early
member of our SIG - Frank Eisinger, in NY - we have not yet established a
genealogical link , but we have a very strong link as we were both born at
Sanatorium Furth, Schmidgasse, Vienna 8 - albeit nine years apart.

It is now the heavily-guarded US Reference Center see:
http://www.usembassy.at/en/embassy/arc.htm

As soon as the Nazis aryanized this beautiful state-of-the-art hospital
it was commandeered by them for their officers and top officials as a
centre of excellence - after the war it finally reverted to the Americans.

I recently read that the Habsburg family is claiming restitution of the
building. The hospital was run by Dr Lothar FURTH. I know nothing about
this Jewish family and its fate. Lothar apears on the Living Heirs
Holocaust asset database list without a birth date - which is unusual.
Does anyone have a link?

All I do know is that the birth links Frank Eisinger and I have are
apparently so strong that they kept us going for four hours and we
could have talked for another four days. Our Viennese families were both
from the 8th district, but I doubt they knew each other.
I have only ever met one other baby born at Sanatorium Furth - he lives
in Sydney, Australia. I presume there must be a few others alive, but
I wonder who they are and where they live. The clientele was probably
mainly Jewish.

It was only when I retrieved the will of my great grandmother, Emma
{nee BIACH} KOHN/KERNER in Vienna last year, that I discovered it was
executed by her nephew, the lawyer Emil DUSCHNITZ [related to SIGGER
Harold Chipman], and that she had died in the Sanatorium Furth some 20
years before I was born! She was born in Pressburg as one of 11 children
of Emanuel BIACH and Fanny LEIDESDORF. It was mainly these children
that have given me so many links on my tree.

Sanatorium Furth was obviously our family hospital for generations.
These links are fascinating too and should be registered on a family tree.

Celia Male {U.K.} but currently in NY


Re: Publishing Genealogies - What's the point? #general

Evelyne Haendel <haendelevelyne@...>
 

Subject: Re: Publishing Genealogies - What's the point?
From: Evelyne Haendel haendelevelyne@...

I was struck by the pertinence of Yehuda Ben Schlomo first posting and
fully agree to it. Reading this second posting obviously rings a bell for
me. If anything I would have been the most happier woman to locate somewhere
a name on a family tree with whom I could have found a connection. Besides
destroyed records there also are destroyed families, as we all know and one
connection can mean so much!

Evelyne Haendel
Liege, Belgium
haendelevelyne@...

Searching: HANDEL/HENDEL, HECHT, KARPEL >from Sniatyn (now Ukraine) Mihaileni
(Rumania)
WOLFOWICZ/ WOLFOWITZ , >from Kutno, Ozorkow, Lodz, Dortmund, New York
ERHLICH, FROMER/FROMMER >from Ozorkow, Lodz, Dortmund


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Sanatorium Furth, Vienna - Birth and Death Links #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Today was a very special day for me. I met for the first time, an early
member of our SIG - Frank Eisinger, in NY - we have not yet established a
genealogical link , but we have a very strong link as we were both born at
Sanatorium Furth, Schmidgasse, Vienna 8 - albeit nine years apart.

It is now the heavily-guarded US Reference Center see:
http://www.usembassy.at/en/embassy/arc.htm

As soon as the Nazis aryanized this beautiful state-of-the-art hospital
it was commandeered by them for their officers and top officials as a
centre of excellence - after the war it finally reverted to the Americans.

I recently read that the Habsburg family is claiming restitution of the
building. The hospital was run by Dr Lothar FURTH. I know nothing about
this Jewish family and its fate. Lothar apears on the Living Heirs
Holocaust asset database list without a birth date - which is unusual.
Does anyone have a link?

All I do know is that the birth links Frank Eisinger and I have are
apparently so strong that they kept us going for four hours and we
could have talked for another four days. Our Viennese families were both
from the 8th district, but I doubt they knew each other.
I have only ever met one other baby born at Sanatorium Furth - he lives
in Sydney, Australia. I presume there must be a few others alive, but
I wonder who they are and where they live. The clientele was probably
mainly Jewish.

It was only when I retrieved the will of my great grandmother, Emma
{nee BIACH} KOHN/KERNER in Vienna last year, that I discovered it was
executed by her nephew, the lawyer Emil DUSCHNITZ [related to SIGGER
Harold Chipman], and that she had died in the Sanatorium Furth some 20
years before I was born! She was born in Pressburg as one of 11 children
of Emanuel BIACH and Fanny LEIDESDORF. It was mainly these children
that have given me so many links on my tree.

Sanatorium Furth was obviously our family hospital for generations.
These links are fascinating too and should be registered on a family tree.

Celia Male {U.K.} but currently in NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Publishing Genealogies - What's the point? #general

Evelyne Haendel <haendelevelyne@...>
 

Subject: Re: Publishing Genealogies - What's the point?
From: Evelyne Haendel haendelevelyne@...

I was struck by the pertinence of Yehuda Ben Schlomo first posting and
fully agree to it. Reading this second posting obviously rings a bell for
me. If anything I would have been the most happier woman to locate somewhere
a name on a family tree with whom I could have found a connection. Besides
destroyed records there also are destroyed families, as we all know and one
connection can mean so much!

Evelyne Haendel
Liege, Belgium
haendelevelyne@...

Searching: HANDEL/HENDEL, HECHT, KARPEL >from Sniatyn (now Ukraine) Mihaileni
(Rumania)
WOLFOWICZ/ WOLFOWITZ , >from Kutno, Ozorkow, Lodz, Dortmund, New York
ERHLICH, FROMER/FROMMER >from Ozorkow, Lodz, Dortmund


Naming a Baby Girl #general

Stan <natsnehoc@...>
 

Dear Genners,

As a first time 'Zaidy', I would appreciate any information or guidance
regarding the following three questions:

Can a baby girl be named after her recently deceased great grandfather, who
has not as yet had an unveiling of his memorial? The girl was born some 4
months after the GGF's passing. She is now one week old, (and a real
beauty!).

Is (are) there any restriction(s) as to how long after her birth she should
be named in the Synagogue?

What would be the female version of the male name "Chaim"?

I would like to ensure correctness in terms of religious and genealogical
protocall. Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Stan Cohen
Toronto, Canada
natsnehoc@...

MODEARTOR NOTE: Only messages relating to Jwish Genealogy will be posted
to the group. Religious practices are considerd off-topic to this list.
Stan is encoureged to post a summary of the replies.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Naming a Baby Girl #general

Stan <natsnehoc@...>
 

Dear Genners,

As a first time 'Zaidy', I would appreciate any information or guidance
regarding the following three questions:

Can a baby girl be named after her recently deceased great grandfather, who
has not as yet had an unveiling of his memorial? The girl was born some 4
months after the GGF's passing. She is now one week old, (and a real
beauty!).

Is (are) there any restriction(s) as to how long after her birth she should
be named in the Synagogue?

What would be the female version of the male name "Chaim"?

I would like to ensure correctness in terms of religious and genealogical
protocall. Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Stan Cohen
Toronto, Canada
natsnehoc@...

MODEARTOR NOTE: Only messages relating to Jwish Genealogy will be posted
to the group. Religious practices are considerd off-topic to this list.
Stan is encoureged to post a summary of the replies.


translation/interpretation help #austria-czech

Marc D. Machtinger <marc@...>
 

Dear Fellow Researchers:

I would be grateful for translation/interpretation assistance on a Hungarian
marriage record. I post here because I believe several of the towns of
birth are in Moravia, and I wish to ask whether anyone familiar with those
towns might recognize them in the record. The record is an 1872 marriage
for Sigmund BRAUNER and Betti NEUMAN in Komarom, Hungary. Since I have
several images of the record, I have placed it on a web page rather than on
ViewMate. I have indicated my specific questions on the web page. The URL
is:
http://www.patentstation.com/family2/braunerneumann.htm

I would greatly appreciate any responses. Please respond directly to me at
marc@....

Very truly yours,

Marc D. Machtinger, Buffalo Grove, Illinois, U.S.A.
email: marc@...


Re: Help With Canadian 1911 Census-Winnipeg #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Mervin" < mglow@... > wrote:

I have addresses for relatives that lived in Winnipeg in 1911. How do I
translate that information to Districts and sub-districts to aid and limit
my review of the data now on the internet? The addresses I have are in the
2 & 4 hundred block of Jarvis, the 200 block of Dufferin, the 500 block of
Pritchard, the 1st block of Schultz and the 300 block of Manitoba. Thanks in
advance.
See http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/1911/006003-300-e.html
Census Districts and Sub-districts which refers to
http://tinyurl.com/dt9wn [URL shortened by moderator]
Electoral atlas of the Dominion of Canada, 1904. Apparently this is very
similar to the Census geography in 1911.

(note the webpage address is on two lines)

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech translation/interpretation help #austria-czech

Marc D. Machtinger <marc@...>
 

Dear Fellow Researchers:

I would be grateful for translation/interpretation assistance on a Hungarian
marriage record. I post here because I believe several of the towns of
birth are in Moravia, and I wish to ask whether anyone familiar with those
towns might recognize them in the record. The record is an 1872 marriage
for Sigmund BRAUNER and Betti NEUMAN in Komarom, Hungary. Since I have
several images of the record, I have placed it on a web page rather than on
ViewMate. I have indicated my specific questions on the web page. The URL
is:
http://www.patentstation.com/family2/braunerneumann.htm

I would greatly appreciate any responses. Please respond directly to me at
marc@....

Very truly yours,

Marc D. Machtinger, Buffalo Grove, Illinois, U.S.A.
email: marc@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Help With Canadian 1911 Census-Winnipeg #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Mervin" < mglow@... > wrote:

I have addresses for relatives that lived in Winnipeg in 1911. How do I
translate that information to Districts and sub-districts to aid and limit
my review of the data now on the internet? The addresses I have are in the
2 & 4 hundred block of Jarvis, the 200 block of Dufferin, the 500 block of
Pritchard, the 1st block of Schultz and the 300 block of Manitoba. Thanks in
advance.
See http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/1911/006003-300-e.html
Census Districts and Sub-districts which refers to
http://tinyurl.com/dt9wn [URL shortened by moderator]
Electoral atlas of the Dominion of Canada, 1904. Apparently this is very
similar to the Census geography in 1911.

(note the webpage address is on two lines)

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


World War II Draft Registration access-not "Old Timers" #general

Mjn519@...
 

Is there a way we can access the WWII Draft Registration cards for those who
don't belong in the Old Timers group (the 4th Registration)?

Also, were all boys who were 18 years old and older required to register
regardless of disability (like they do now)?

~Marie Lubman
Chino Hills, CA

Researching:
GREENSTONE, GRINSTJIN (similar spellings), GUTERMAN of Kalvarija;
AUGUST, ZACHER, FISCHER, SOLOMON, LUBMAN, RIVIN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen World War II Draft Registration access-not "Old Timers" #general

Mjn519@...
 

Is there a way we can access the WWII Draft Registration cards for those who
don't belong in the Old Timers group (the 4th Registration)?

Also, were all boys who were 18 years old and older required to register
regardless of disability (like they do now)?

~Marie Lubman
Chino Hills, CA

Researching:
GREENSTONE, GRINSTJIN (similar spellings), GUTERMAN of Kalvarija;
AUGUST, ZACHER, FISCHER, SOLOMON, LUBMAN, RIVIN