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Re: Help Finding Burial Places #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"m leonards" <m_leonards@...> wrote

Michael Salzbank is seeking the burial place of several distant relations who
died in the 1920s/30s, probably in New York City.

There is a very simple, albeit not inexpensive solution to his problem.

Go to the NYC Death Index at italiangen.org/NYCDeath.stm. All the relations are
listed, except Aaron Frimmerman (who probably died after 1936).
You need to go to the online website of the NY Department
http://www.nyc.gov/dorforms/deathcert.jsp if you wish to order >from abroad.
The above website assumes that you are going to send by mail with a self-addressed
envelope etc.
--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


Re: Naming a Baby Girl #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Stan" <natsnehoc@...> wrote

As a first time 'Zaidy', I would appreciate any information or guidance
regarding the following three questions:
snip

What would be the female version of the male name "Chaim"?

Chayah - both meaning life.
--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Naming a Baby Girl #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Stan" <natsnehoc@...> wrote

As a first time 'Zaidy', I would appreciate any information or guidance
regarding the following three questions:
snip

What would be the female version of the male name "Chaim"?

Chayah - both meaning life.
--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Help Finding Burial Places #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"m leonards" <m_leonards@...> wrote

Michael Salzbank is seeking the burial place of several distant relations who
died in the 1920s/30s, probably in New York City.

There is a very simple, albeit not inexpensive solution to his problem.

Go to the NYC Death Index at italiangen.org/NYCDeath.stm. All the relations are
listed, except Aaron Frimmerman (who probably died after 1936).
You need to go to the online website of the NY Department
http://www.nyc.gov/dorforms/deathcert.jsp if you wish to order >from abroad.
The above website assumes that you are going to send by mail with a self-addressed
envelope etc.
--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


Re: World War II Draft Registration access-not "Old Timers" #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 04:24:46 UTC, Mjn519@... opined:

Is there a way we can access the WWII Draft Registration cards for those who
don't belong in the Old Timers group (the 4th Registration)?

Also, were all boys who were 18 years old and older required to register
regardless of disability (like they do now)?

~Marie Lubman
Of course. One registered and was given a card bearing one's classification, >from
1A (eligible for conscription) through deferred classes for occupational,
educational, or other reasons to 4F (rejected for physical or other reasons). Else
how would the Selective Service Commission keep track of who was deferred or
exempted and who was not? And how would a disabled person be able to show that he
was deferred or exempted"

By the way, age 18 was not the critical age for most of the war. I had to register
at age 17, but missed being called when the cutoff age was soon raised to 18
shortly before the end of the war, and then, as year later, when conscription was
stopped altogether. There were later wars, of course, in which they got another
bite at the apple.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is not
valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL above -- no
Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form there.


Re: Naming a Baby Girl #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 04:34:44 UTC, natsnehoc@... (Stan) opined:

Can a baby girl be named after her recently deceased great grandfather, who has
not as yet had an unveiling of his memorial? The girl was born some 4 months
after the GGF's passing. She is now one week old, (and a real beauty!).
There aren't any halachic restrictions at all; there are customs, which differ
from community to community. You can name her as you wish.
Is (are) there any restriction(s) as to how long after her birth she should be
named in the Synagogue?
I don't know the custom of naming a child in the Synagogue. If it exists, it is a
function of practice in your congregation based on social solidarity.

What would be the female version of the male name "Chaim"?
There are two closely related feminine versions for H.aim, derived >from the same
root: H.aya and H.ava (the latter being the name of the first woman, the rib (and
wife) of Adam. The meaning of the root is "Life". A suggestion: If you wish to
give her also a name customary in English-speaking societies, "Vivian" is derived
from a Latin root with the same meaning.
I would like to ensure correctness in terms of religious and genealogical
protocall. Thanks in advance for your assistance.
You have a freer hand than you seem to think.

Stan Cohen
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is not
valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL above -- no
Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: World War II Draft Registration access-not "Old Timers" #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 04:24:46 UTC, Mjn519@... opined:

Is there a way we can access the WWII Draft Registration cards for those who
don't belong in the Old Timers group (the 4th Registration)?

Also, were all boys who were 18 years old and older required to register
regardless of disability (like they do now)?

~Marie Lubman
Of course. One registered and was given a card bearing one's classification, >from
1A (eligible for conscription) through deferred classes for occupational,
educational, or other reasons to 4F (rejected for physical or other reasons). Else
how would the Selective Service Commission keep track of who was deferred or
exempted and who was not? And how would a disabled person be able to show that he
was deferred or exempted"

By the way, age 18 was not the critical age for most of the war. I had to register
at age 17, but missed being called when the cutoff age was soon raised to 18
shortly before the end of the war, and then, as year later, when conscription was
stopped altogether. There were later wars, of course, in which they got another
bite at the apple.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is not
valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL above -- no
Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Naming a Baby Girl #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 04:34:44 UTC, natsnehoc@... (Stan) opined:

Can a baby girl be named after her recently deceased great grandfather, who has
not as yet had an unveiling of his memorial? The girl was born some 4 months
after the GGF's passing. She is now one week old, (and a real beauty!).
There aren't any halachic restrictions at all; there are customs, which differ
from community to community. You can name her as you wish.
Is (are) there any restriction(s) as to how long after her birth she should be
named in the Synagogue?
I don't know the custom of naming a child in the Synagogue. If it exists, it is a
function of practice in your congregation based on social solidarity.

What would be the female version of the male name "Chaim"?
There are two closely related feminine versions for H.aim, derived >from the same
root: H.aya and H.ava (the latter being the name of the first woman, the rib (and
wife) of Adam. The meaning of the root is "Life". A suggestion: If you wish to
give her also a name customary in English-speaking societies, "Vivian" is derived
from a Latin root with the same meaning.
I would like to ensure correctness in terms of religious and genealogical
protocall. Thanks in advance for your assistance.
You have a freer hand than you seem to think.

Stan Cohen
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is not
valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL above -- no
Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form there.


Re: Finding Death Certificates #general

ELIAS SAVADA
 

On Aug 16, 2005, at 11:04:34, Michael Salzbank wrote:

Thanks to all the Generes who suggested I use www.italiangen.org/NYCDeath.stm to
find certificate numbers and get copies of death certificates.

However, I have a number of relatives whose names do not appear on the list.

Is there a way for me to locate the certificates if I know the date of death,
and in some cases, even the cemetery?

Missing names include:
...FRIMMERMAN
...JORRISCH
Use the Steve Morse portal (http://stevemorse.org/vital/nydeath.html) and think
outside the box, like searching for pieces of the last name and click on the
"contains" button. An Esther RIMMERMAN pops up--same as your FRIMMERMAN?
Unfortunately,no luck though playing with simple variations on JORRISCH.

Elias Savada
Bethesda MD


Re: Finding death certificates (in NYC) #general

phylliskramer1@...
 

Michael S. asked about finding NYC death certificates when the names do not appear
in the Italiangen NYC death certificates index--

My experience is that the index is a pretty good one...but remember that deaths
outside nyc will often not be filed here....

Your choices:
1. you can go to the archives....and search the indexes
2. If you are not >from NY, you can order the Mormon FHL's microfilmed indexes
under New York, NY - vital records
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp
3. you can send for the certificates (the archives will search for you, but they
charge the fees, whether or not they locate a certificate)
http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vitalrecords/home.shtml
4. You can look at the social security death index to see the zip code/place they
died -- http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/
5. You can try the NY Times obituaries for information (many libraries have access
to programs which have 100 years of archived major newspapers)

One other thing, if indeed they died in manhattan...probate is available on the
4th floor of the same building as vital records (31 Chambers St).

Happy Hunting!
Phyllis Kramer, Wilton, Conn & Palm Beach, Fla
PhyllisKramer1@..., researching (mostly Galicia):
STECHER, TRACHMAN,>from Zmigrod, Dukla, Krosno
KRAMER, BEIM, WISNER >from Jasienica
SCHEINER, KANDEL, SCHIMMEL >from Strzyzow, Dubiecko
LINDNER, EICHEL >from Rohatyn (also Iasi, Romania)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Finding Death Certificates #general

ELIAS SAVADA
 

On Aug 16, 2005, at 11:04:34, Michael Salzbank wrote:

Thanks to all the Generes who suggested I use www.italiangen.org/NYCDeath.stm to
find certificate numbers and get copies of death certificates.

However, I have a number of relatives whose names do not appear on the list.

Is there a way for me to locate the certificates if I know the date of death,
and in some cases, even the cemetery?

Missing names include:
...FRIMMERMAN
...JORRISCH
Use the Steve Morse portal (http://stevemorse.org/vital/nydeath.html) and think
outside the box, like searching for pieces of the last name and click on the
"contains" button. An Esther RIMMERMAN pops up--same as your FRIMMERMAN?
Unfortunately,no luck though playing with simple variations on JORRISCH.

Elias Savada
Bethesda MD


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Finding death certificates (in NYC) #general

phylliskramer1@...
 

Michael S. asked about finding NYC death certificates when the names do not appear
in the Italiangen NYC death certificates index--

My experience is that the index is a pretty good one...but remember that deaths
outside nyc will often not be filed here....

Your choices:
1. you can go to the archives....and search the indexes
2. If you are not >from NY, you can order the Mormon FHL's microfilmed indexes
under New York, NY - vital records
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp
3. you can send for the certificates (the archives will search for you, but they
charge the fees, whether or not they locate a certificate)
http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vitalrecords/home.shtml
4. You can look at the social security death index to see the zip code/place they
died -- http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/
5. You can try the NY Times obituaries for information (many libraries have access
to programs which have 100 years of archived major newspapers)

One other thing, if indeed they died in manhattan...probate is available on the
4th floor of the same building as vital records (31 Chambers St).

Happy Hunting!
Phyllis Kramer, Wilton, Conn & Palm Beach, Fla
PhyllisKramer1@..., researching (mostly Galicia):
STECHER, TRACHMAN,>from Zmigrod, Dukla, Krosno
KRAMER, BEIM, WISNER >from Jasienica
SCHEINER, KANDEL, SCHIMMEL >from Strzyzow, Dubiecko
LINDNER, EICHEL >from Rohatyn (also Iasi, Romania)


Death Certificate Assistance #general

msalzbank
 

I realize that my last posting was unclear.

I thank all of you who directed me to the Italiangen site. It was very helpful and
I obtained copies of certain certificates.

A number of relatives still do not appear in the records, despite me knowing the
precise date of death and even where they are buried. The death certificates
supply some valuable information, specifically the person's mother's maiden name.

I am still trying to locate the certificate number (so I can order a copy) for the
following people:
All of whom lived in New York

Aaron FRIMMERMAN 6/22/1932
Rose (Reitza) FRIMMERMAN 9/18/1911 (Mt. Zion)
Zissel POCH 7/15/1913=20

Mary JORRISCH 9/22/1908
Isaack JORRISCH 12/19/1911
Alter JORRISCH 1/23/1915
Israel JORRISCH - infant 4/19/1905
Max JORRISCH 3/13/1934
Jennie JORRISCH 12/31/1951

Dates of death unknown for:
Harry (Hyman) and Eva GOTTESFELD
Jossel (Joseph) GOTTESFELD


any assistance or suggestions in how to best locate these certificate numbers
would be appreciated.

Thank you
Michael SALZBANK

MSalzbank@...


Re: hatter #general

Pam <pam_staley@...>
 

I just signed up for this newsgroup - and was surprised yet quite pleased to see
this name... my gggrandfather's name actually was originall HOERTER but later
changed to HATTER - but we always thought he came >from Ireland or Scotland - my
Nicholas Hatter/Hoerter was born in 1843, died in 1901 and was married to Sarah
LEATHCO (1853-1924).

More info can be seen at my website -
http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com

I was more searching the names of MICHALEK and SCHALLOM - trying to locate whether
they were Jewish or not. And have posted info in seperate postings concerning
them. Just had to answer this one on Hatter.

Blessings
Pam Frierdich-Staley
Warrenton, MO
http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com
Looking for surnames of Michalek (Michael/eal), Schallom, Steppig, Mees, Reis,
Frierdich, Bangert, Diesel, Hatter, Hoerter, Kiefer, Rapp, Mentel, Shellhorn,
Staley, Weber, Thoele, Mitchell, Probst


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: hatter #general

Pam <pam_staley@...>
 

I just signed up for this newsgroup - and was surprised yet quite pleased to see
this name... my gggrandfather's name actually was originall HOERTER but later
changed to HATTER - but we always thought he came >from Ireland or Scotland - my
Nicholas Hatter/Hoerter was born in 1843, died in 1901 and was married to Sarah
LEATHCO (1853-1924).

More info can be seen at my website -
http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com

I was more searching the names of MICHALEK and SCHALLOM - trying to locate whether
they were Jewish or not. And have posted info in seperate postings concerning
them. Just had to answer this one on Hatter.

Blessings
Pam Frierdich-Staley
Warrenton, MO
http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com
Looking for surnames of Michalek (Michael/eal), Schallom, Steppig, Mees, Reis,
Frierdich, Bangert, Diesel, Hatter, Hoerter, Kiefer, Rapp, Mentel, Shellhorn,
Staley, Weber, Thoele, Mitchell, Probst


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Death Certificate Assistance #general

msalzbank
 

I realize that my last posting was unclear.

I thank all of you who directed me to the Italiangen site. It was very helpful and
I obtained copies of certain certificates.

A number of relatives still do not appear in the records, despite me knowing the
precise date of death and even where they are buried. The death certificates
supply some valuable information, specifically the person's mother's maiden name.

I am still trying to locate the certificate number (so I can order a copy) for the
following people:
All of whom lived in New York

Aaron FRIMMERMAN 6/22/1932
Rose (Reitza) FRIMMERMAN 9/18/1911 (Mt. Zion)
Zissel POCH 7/15/1913=20

Mary JORRISCH 9/22/1908
Isaack JORRISCH 12/19/1911
Alter JORRISCH 1/23/1915
Israel JORRISCH - infant 4/19/1905
Max JORRISCH 3/13/1934
Jennie JORRISCH 12/31/1951

Dates of death unknown for:
Harry (Hyman) and Eva GOTTESFELD
Jossel (Joseph) GOTTESFELD


any assistance or suggestions in how to best locate these certificate numbers
would be appreciated.

Thank you
Michael SALZBANK

MSalzbank@...


"The Mad Hatter." #general

Pamela Prince <meowkatt2002@...>
 

I can't help you regarding hatters being typical jewish professions. I'm guessing
your second part is "Hatters Disease". As in "The Mad Hatter." It was caused by
mercury poisoning caused by the process of making felt for the hats. They breathed
it in & ended up "going crazy" and then dying. Pam in
Wisconsin USA

...What is the "hatter decease"?
I will appreciate your answers.

Sulamith Beith Yannai
Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "The Mad Hatter." #general

Pamela Prince <meowkatt2002@...>
 

I can't help you regarding hatters being typical jewish professions. I'm guessing
your second part is "Hatters Disease". As in "The Mad Hatter." It was caused by
mercury poisoning caused by the process of making felt for the hats. They breathed
it in & ended up "going crazy" and then dying. Pam in
Wisconsin USA

...What is the "hatter decease"?
I will appreciate your answers.

Sulamith Beith Yannai
Jerusalem


Re: hatter #general

Alexander Sharon
 

Sulamith Beith Yannai wrote

Many members of my family >from the town Tarnow were hatters. Part of them moved
to the States and worked as hatters in their new home. Does anybody know if this
was a typical Jewish profession? How was the situation in other Galician
cities? What is the "hatter decease"?
Sulamith,

Many hatters were also furriers.
Asthma and the constant exposure to the animal hair was the known cause of hatters
death.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: hatter #general

Alexander Sharon
 

Sulamith Beith Yannai wrote

Many members of my family >from the town Tarnow were hatters. Part of them moved
to the States and worked as hatters in their new home. Does anybody know if this
was a typical Jewish profession? How was the situation in other Galician
cities? What is the "hatter decease"?
Sulamith,

Many hatters were also furriers.
Asthma and the constant exposure to the animal hair was the known cause of hatters
death.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab