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Re: ORNSTEIN in Trebic/Trebitsch, Moravia #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

David Glasner of Kfar Ruppin, Israel is looking for
any information on the ORNSTEIN family >from Trebic/
Trebitsch, Moravia. Thus, his Trebic gt-grandfather
Herman GLASNER {1845 - 1922} married Paula ORNSTEIN
{1845 - 1930}. Her father was Yaakov David ORNSTEIN
{1813 - 1903}, and in turn his father was Yehuda
ORNSTEIN {1789-1828}.

I note with interest that Randy Schoenberg has Jude
Leb ORNSTEIN on his tree b. 1773 d. 5 Apr 1824 in
Trebitsch. He was married to Sarah JERUS b. 1774
d. 9 Feb 1852, Trebitsch, Age: 78

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~randols/PS06/PS06_047.HTM

Peter Lowe [I have his permission to quote], who is
researching JERUSALEM >from Bohemia, sent me a
link to his website, which includes Yehuda ORNSTEIN &
wife Sara JERUSALEM [nb Randy has the name JERUS] -
married 25 Jan 1792. It can be seen on:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pnlowe/
The link to Yehuda Loeb is here:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pnlowe/jerusalem/g0000047.html#I468

So although Randy and Peter's Yehuda Loeb ORNSTEIN
appears to be the same, he is 16 years older than
David's gtgtgt-grandfather, Yehuda.

Peter asked me if I can add anything. I do have an
ORNSTEIN [a side-branch of a side-branch] family on my
tree but they came >from Budin in Bohemia. I can add
little to details of the ORNSTEIN family from
Trebic/Trebitsch, Moravia >from my own tree, but have
the following information which could be of interest
to our SIG and hopefully may provide more links:

A: My knowledge of Czech has only been gleaned in the
last four years >from this type of research but I
gather [I hope correctly] that Leopold ORNSTEIN was a
leading bicycle-maker in Trebic. You might enjoy this
photo of a couple riding an ORNSTEIN tandem in 1898,
perhaps in Trebic itself:

http://www.volny.cz/honyk/cyklistika/historie-cykl.html
http://filokartie.com/index.php?cla=188

I wonder if this is the same Leopold ORNSTEIN who
starts part of the tree that Peter Lowe sent to me,
which is not yet linked to his website, but comes from
a well-known internet genealogical site:

Leopold Hermann ORNSTEIN b. 02 Feb 1844 in Trebic
d.05 Feb 1902 [or 1905 >from alternative data]
m. 18 June 1869 to Josefine PICK (Pepi).

They had 12 children all born in Trebic. I cannot
resist the thought that 7 tandems would be need for a
family excursion, except sadly, a few of the children
died very young.

1. Sidonie 18 Sep 1870
2. Rosa 29 May 1872 m. 15 Aug 1895 to Josef LEDERER
3. Wilhelm 18 Apr 1873 - 08 Aug 1881
4. Ludwig 11 Sep 1874 - 25 Apr 1908
5. Karl 10 Mar 1876
6. Alfred 07 May 1879 married to Erna nee LOWY - page
of testimony >from his son Leo ORSTEN, {L.A. 1976} also
to his mother Erna. She was born in Znojmo [Znaim] on
2.10.1893 daughter of Wilemina HELLMANN and Leopold
LOWY.
7. Ida 26 Nov 1879
8. Siegfried 06 Dec 1881 - 07 Jul 1882
9. Robert 01 Mar 1883 - 12 Mar 1901
10. Otto 17 May 1884 - 17 May 1886
11. Rachel 12 Aug 1886 d.in Holocaust m. 02 Jun 1910
to Karel [Carl] RANZENHOFER - also a victim [from
Hollabrunn]

You will find a touching testimony >from Elisabeth
Ranzenhofer, the 16 year old gt-granddaughter of
Rachel, in "Letter to Stars", in which she say that
Rachel was one of 16 [not 12] siblings. Carl was a
textile manufacturer in Hollabrunn. His son Erwin,
also died in Izbica, but his brother Walter
[grandfather of Elizabeth] survived in England - he
was encouraged to flee by his mother, Rachel. Many
RANZENHOFER are buried in the cemetery at Hollabrunn:

http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/towns/Austria/hlabrncem.htm
http://www.lettertothestars.at/browser_normal/abfrage/detail.php?opfer__id=26524

12. Berthold 03 Sep 1888 - 25 Oct 1895

and perhaps four more siblings 13-16 inc, as yet
unnamed.

B: ORNSTEIN-SUBAK
There are also multiple interconnections between the
families ORNSTEIN and SUBAK >from Vienna. Some now live
in Brazil and the USA. SUBAK was a prominent family
from Trebic, where there is even a Subak Street. If
you need a contact with these families, I will be
happy to supply it.

http://www.trebic.cz/unesco/e_stranka.asp?id=24

C: >from our Austria-Czech message archives: Mon, 24
Sep 2001: Introducing the Ancestors of Arthur SPIRA.
Son: Gustav SPIRA. (ca 1890 in Trebic-?); lived in
Budweis, railway official; m. Theresa ORENSTEIN. There
are many links to the family, throughout the world.

D: Vienna/Trebic ORNSTEIN
I have also found and Alfred ORNSTEIN >from Vienna born
on 18.04.1884 in Trebic/Trebitsch deported from
Drancy.
He is probably the Prokurist >from the
Leichtensteinstr. 121. On Yad Vashem we can find him
as married to Anna ADLER, with a daughter, Herta
BLAINE giving testimony >from N. Plainfield, NJ in
1979. Surprisingly, she did not know the name of her
grandparents, denoted with a question mark.

We can also find Ernest ORNSTEIN who was born in
Trebic in 1883, who was a holocaust victim. He was
deported >from France.

There are 62 ORNSTEIN holocaust victims >from Austria.
We remember them all here today. ORNSTEIN was a very
common name in Vienna of the 1930s with over 50
families bearing that name. I suspect some are
descendants of the Trebic ORNSTEIN family. That would
have to be investigated in the archives.

E: Our own Sigger, Jean Lowenstamm's family were
stonemasons in Trebic for generations and he may have
more data re ORNSTEIN graves in Trebic:
http://www.kurrein.com/trebic.htm

Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: ORNSTEIN in Trebic/Trebitsch, Moravia #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

David Glasner of Kfar Ruppin, Israel is looking for
any information on the ORNSTEIN family >from Trebic/
Trebitsch, Moravia. Thus, his Trebic gt-grandfather
Herman GLASNER {1845 - 1922} married Paula ORNSTEIN
{1845 - 1930}. Her father was Yaakov David ORNSTEIN
{1813 - 1903}, and in turn his father was Yehuda
ORNSTEIN {1789-1828}.

I note with interest that Randy Schoenberg has Jude
Leb ORNSTEIN on his tree b. 1773 d. 5 Apr 1824 in
Trebitsch. He was married to Sarah JERUS b. 1774
d. 9 Feb 1852, Trebitsch, Age: 78

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~randols/PS06/PS06_047.HTM

Peter Lowe [I have his permission to quote], who is
researching JERUSALEM >from Bohemia, sent me a
link to his website, which includes Yehuda ORNSTEIN &
wife Sara JERUSALEM [nb Randy has the name JERUS] -
married 25 Jan 1792. It can be seen on:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pnlowe/
The link to Yehuda Loeb is here:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pnlowe/jerusalem/g0000047.html#I468

So although Randy and Peter's Yehuda Loeb ORNSTEIN
appears to be the same, he is 16 years older than
David's gtgtgt-grandfather, Yehuda.

Peter asked me if I can add anything. I do have an
ORNSTEIN [a side-branch of a side-branch] family on my
tree but they came >from Budin in Bohemia. I can add
little to details of the ORNSTEIN family from
Trebic/Trebitsch, Moravia >from my own tree, but have
the following information which could be of interest
to our SIG and hopefully may provide more links:

A: My knowledge of Czech has only been gleaned in the
last four years >from this type of research but I
gather [I hope correctly] that Leopold ORNSTEIN was a
leading bicycle-maker in Trebic. You might enjoy this
photo of a couple riding an ORNSTEIN tandem in 1898,
perhaps in Trebic itself:

http://www.volny.cz/honyk/cyklistika/historie-cykl.html
http://filokartie.com/index.php?cla=188

I wonder if this is the same Leopold ORNSTEIN who
starts part of the tree that Peter Lowe sent to me,
which is not yet linked to his website, but comes from
a well-known internet genealogical site:

Leopold Hermann ORNSTEIN b. 02 Feb 1844 in Trebic
d.05 Feb 1902 [or 1905 >from alternative data]
m. 18 June 1869 to Josefine PICK (Pepi).

They had 12 children all born in Trebic. I cannot
resist the thought that 7 tandems would be need for a
family excursion, except sadly, a few of the children
died very young.

1. Sidonie 18 Sep 1870
2. Rosa 29 May 1872 m. 15 Aug 1895 to Josef LEDERER
3. Wilhelm 18 Apr 1873 - 08 Aug 1881
4. Ludwig 11 Sep 1874 - 25 Apr 1908
5. Karl 10 Mar 1876
6. Alfred 07 May 1879 married to Erna nee LOWY - page
of testimony >from his son Leo ORSTEN, {L.A. 1976} also
to his mother Erna. She was born in Znojmo [Znaim] on
2.10.1893 daughter of Wilemina HELLMANN and Leopold
LOWY.
7. Ida 26 Nov 1879
8. Siegfried 06 Dec 1881 - 07 Jul 1882
9. Robert 01 Mar 1883 - 12 Mar 1901
10. Otto 17 May 1884 - 17 May 1886
11. Rachel 12 Aug 1886 d.in Holocaust m. 02 Jun 1910
to Karel [Carl] RANZENHOFER - also a victim [from
Hollabrunn]

You will find a touching testimony >from Elisabeth
Ranzenhofer, the 16 year old gt-granddaughter of
Rachel, in "Letter to Stars", in which she say that
Rachel was one of 16 [not 12] siblings. Carl was a
textile manufacturer in Hollabrunn. His son Erwin,
also died in Izbica, but his brother Walter
[grandfather of Elizabeth] survived in England - he
was encouraged to flee by his mother, Rachel. Many
RANZENHOFER are buried in the cemetery at Hollabrunn:

http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/towns/Austria/hlabrncem.htm
http://www.lettertothestars.at/browser_normal/abfrage/detail.php?opfer__id=26524

12. Berthold 03 Sep 1888 - 25 Oct 1895

and perhaps four more siblings 13-16 inc, as yet
unnamed.

B: ORNSTEIN-SUBAK
There are also multiple interconnections between the
families ORNSTEIN and SUBAK >from Vienna. Some now live
in Brazil and the USA. SUBAK was a prominent family
from Trebic, where there is even a Subak Street. If
you need a contact with these families, I will be
happy to supply it.

http://www.trebic.cz/unesco/e_stranka.asp?id=24

C: >from our Austria-Czech message archives: Mon, 24
Sep 2001: Introducing the Ancestors of Arthur SPIRA.
Son: Gustav SPIRA. (ca 1890 in Trebic-?); lived in
Budweis, railway official; m. Theresa ORENSTEIN. There
are many links to the family, throughout the world.

D: Vienna/Trebic ORNSTEIN
I have also found and Alfred ORNSTEIN >from Vienna born
on 18.04.1884 in Trebic/Trebitsch deported from
Drancy.
He is probably the Prokurist >from the
Leichtensteinstr. 121. On Yad Vashem we can find him
as married to Anna ADLER, with a daughter, Herta
BLAINE giving testimony >from N. Plainfield, NJ in
1979. Surprisingly, she did not know the name of her
grandparents, denoted with a question mark.

We can also find Ernest ORNSTEIN who was born in
Trebic in 1883, who was a holocaust victim. He was
deported >from France.

There are 62 ORNSTEIN holocaust victims >from Austria.
We remember them all here today. ORNSTEIN was a very
common name in Vienna of the 1930s with over 50
families bearing that name. I suspect some are
descendants of the Trebic ORNSTEIN family. That would
have to be investigated in the archives.

E: Our own Sigger, Jean Lowenstamm's family were
stonemasons in Trebic for generations and he may have
more data re ORNSTEIN graves in Trebic:
http://www.kurrein.com/trebic.htm

Celia Male [U.K.]


SHIRNOVICH #general

A S Goldberg
 

I would appreciate hearing >from anyone who has knowledge of a SHIRNOVICH
family that lived in Leeds (UK) in the mid 1890s (and possibly later).

Please respond to me direct on alancomm@netmedia,net.il.

Many thanks

Abraham Goldberg
Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SHIRNOVICH #general

A S Goldberg
 

I would appreciate hearing >from anyone who has knowledge of a SHIRNOVICH
family that lived in Leeds (UK) in the mid 1890s (and possibly later).

Please respond to me direct on alancomm@netmedia,net.il.

Many thanks

Abraham Goldberg
Jerusalem


Family of Isidore HARRIS of NYC #general

David Harris <dorsharris@...>
 

I'm trying to identify family members in a 1947 photo. The table includes
Isidore HARRIS as the senior family member. It likely includes Murray &
Charlotte HARRIS, Rebecca SIMON, Rose SAUNDERS and Eva OUZIEL, but I cannot
identify them. I would like to make contact with these people or their
descendents in hopes that they can help identify them and to exchange
family information.

Please contact me privately and I will forward a copy of the photo. Thanks
in advance.
David Harris
Silver Spring, MD
dorsharris@verizon.net


Re: Viewmate Snippet VM #6810 #general

Burt Hecht <burt1933@...>
 

I have a question on the name of the town of residence in the Warsawa
Province when my grandfather received an "Internal" Paszport in 1890. The
rest of the document has been ably translated earlier by a very helpful
genner. The snippet of Russian handwriting is posted to Viewmate and is
designated as file # VM 6810. Please reply in private.
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate


Searching: HECHT - Rzgow, Tuszyn; Gabin; Warsaw; Glasgow.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Family of Isidore HARRIS of NYC #general

David Harris <dorsharris@...>
 

I'm trying to identify family members in a 1947 photo. The table includes
Isidore HARRIS as the senior family member. It likely includes Murray &
Charlotte HARRIS, Rebecca SIMON, Rose SAUNDERS and Eva OUZIEL, but I cannot
identify them. I would like to make contact with these people or their
descendents in hopes that they can help identify them and to exchange
family information.

Please contact me privately and I will forward a copy of the photo. Thanks
in advance.
David Harris
Silver Spring, MD
dorsharris@verizon.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:Viewmate Snippet VM #6810 #general

Burt Hecht <burt1933@...>
 

I have a question on the name of the town of residence in the Warsawa
Province when my grandfather received an "Internal" Paszport in 1890. The
rest of the document has been ably translated earlier by a very helpful
genner. The snippet of Russian handwriting is posted to Viewmate and is
designated as file # VM 6810. Please reply in private.
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate


Searching: HECHT - Rzgow, Tuszyn; Gabin; Warsaw; Glasgow.


Chomsk, Khomsk #general

Michael Rosenberg <rosies@...>
 

I have recently offered to build a web page for the shtetl of Chomsk
or Khomsk. I would be grateful for any information or photos about
Chomsk that anyone may have, for inclusion on that page.
Thanks in advance,

Michael Rosenberg

Canberra Australia

Researching: ROSENBERG, CHANI, GREENBERG, STEINBERG >from Brest-Litvovsk
Also researching Chomsk, Khomsk


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Chomsk, Khomsk #general

Michael Rosenberg <rosies@...>
 

I have recently offered to build a web page for the shtetl of Chomsk
or Khomsk. I would be grateful for any information or photos about
Chomsk that anyone may have, for inclusion on that page.
Thanks in advance,

Michael Rosenberg

Canberra Australia

Researching: ROSENBERG, CHANI, GREENBERG, STEINBERG >from Brest-Litvovsk
Also researching Chomsk, Khomsk


Re: BLIOKH v. BLOCH #general

dorota <dorota@...>
 

I am searching for Osher BLOCH in Gargzdai, Lithuania. He probably lived
his whole life there and was in his late 50's or 60's when he died there in
late 1906 (possibly early 1907). In the jewishgen database for that town,
there is an Osher David BLIOKH, age 47 in 1885. Are Bliokh and Bloch spellings
used to transliterate the same name, so that these could be the same person?
Sharon,
It seems probable that this is the same name. BLOCH is rather the original
spelling and BLIOKH is the Russian "derivative".
Interestingly, near Wyszkow (Poland), where are live, there is a small
village called BLOCHY and half of the population has the surname BLOCH.
dorota boniecka


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: BLIOKH v. BLOCH #general

dorota <dorota@...>
 

I am searching for Osher BLOCH in Gargzdai, Lithuania. He probably lived
his whole life there and was in his late 50's or 60's when he died there in
late 1906 (possibly early 1907). In the jewishgen database for that town,
there is an Osher David BLIOKH, age 47 in 1885. Are Bliokh and Bloch spellings
used to transliterate the same name, so that these could be the same person?
Sharon,
It seems probable that this is the same name. BLOCH is rather the original
spelling and BLIOKH is the Russian "derivative".
Interestingly, near Wyszkow (Poland), where are live, there is a small
village called BLOCHY and half of the population has the surname BLOCH.
dorota boniecka


Re: BLIOKH v. BLOCH #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 22:36:21 UTC, s.r.korn@sbcglobal.net (Sharon R.
Korn) opined:

I am searching for Osher BLOCH in Gargzdai, Lithuania. He probably lived
his whole life there and was in his late 50's or 60's when he died there in
late 1906 (possibly early 1907). In the jewishgen database for that town,
there is an Osher David BLIOKH, age 47 in 1885. Are Bliokh and Bloch spellings
used to transliterate the same name, so that these could be the same person?
Thank you.

Sharon Block Korn
San Diego
The "I" that is confusing you is a consequence of a "soft sign"
following the "L" in the Russian. This character has no sound of its
own, but only modifies the sound of the "L". Another transliterator
might well have ignored it, sparing you the confusion. There is no
independent surname "Blioch" separate >from "Bloch". It's the same
name.
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is: http://www.hashkedim.com

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is not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the
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there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: BLIOKH v. BLOCH #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 22:36:21 UTC, s.r.korn@sbcglobal.net (Sharon R.
Korn) opined:

I am searching for Osher BLOCH in Gargzdai, Lithuania. He probably lived
his whole life there and was in his late 50's or 60's when he died there in
late 1906 (possibly early 1907). In the jewishgen database for that town,
there is an Osher David BLIOKH, age 47 in 1885. Are Bliokh and Bloch spellings
used to transliterate the same name, so that these could be the same person?
Thank you.

Sharon Block Korn
San Diego
The "I" that is confusing you is a consequence of a "soft sign"
following the "L" in the Russian. This character has no sound of its
own, but only modifies the sound of the "L". Another transliterator
might well have ignored it, sparing you the confusion. There is no
independent surname "Blioch" separate >from "Bloch". It's the same
name.
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is: http://www.hashkedim.com

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there.


Re: Rabbi and wife buried separately? Why #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

In many Orthodox cemeteries it was the practice to bury women and men on
separate sides of the cemetery. Here in Israel the practice does not exist.
My theory, unconfirmed, is that there were so many second and even third
marriages due to widowhood and divorce, that it was hard to know next to
which spouse to bury the dead. For example, one of my aunts is buried under
her third husband's name on one side of the cemetery and her second husband
is buried on the other side. A non-family member would have no idea that
there was any connection between the two.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

----Original Message-----
From: Howie Axelrod [mailto:highwind1@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:23 AM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Rabbi and wife buried separately? Why

My GGM was married to an Orthodox Rabbi who was a pillar of the
Scranton , PA religious community for 22 years. He died in 1931. His
wife of 35+ years was killed in an auto accident 7 years earlier in
1924.

In looking for gravestones, we have found only the wife (so far). She
is in her own grave, which surprised me.

What is the Orthodox practice of burial in such a situation? Is there
a religious reason for an Orthodox Rabbi and a wife that pre-deceased
him to be burried separately?

Note, the wife is buried near her grandchilden who pre-deceased her
diying at <1year and age 8 respectively.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Rabbi and wife buried separately? Why #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

In many Orthodox cemeteries it was the practice to bury women and men on
separate sides of the cemetery. Here in Israel the practice does not exist.
My theory, unconfirmed, is that there were so many second and even third
marriages due to widowhood and divorce, that it was hard to know next to
which spouse to bury the dead. For example, one of my aunts is buried under
her third husband's name on one side of the cemetery and her second husband
is buried on the other side. A non-family member would have no idea that
there was any connection between the two.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

----Original Message-----
From: Howie Axelrod [mailto:highwind1@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:23 AM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Rabbi and wife buried separately? Why

My GGM was married to an Orthodox Rabbi who was a pillar of the
Scranton , PA religious community for 22 years. He died in 1931. His
wife of 35+ years was killed in an auto accident 7 years earlier in
1924.

In looking for gravestones, we have found only the wife (so far). She
is in her own grave, which surprised me.

What is the Orthodox practice of burial in such a situation? Is there
a religious reason for an Orthodox Rabbi and a wife that pre-deceased
him to be burried separately?

Note, the wife is buried near her grandchilden who pre-deceased her
diying at <1year and age 8 respectively.


FISHBEIN-COHEN-WEINER Kiev, Ahusas Nacklo Burial Society #general

Sweissmusic@...
 

I am seeking information regarding Israel Fishbein and Maria Cohen, parents
of Jacob Fishbein, my grandfather, who emigrated to New York City in 1904 and
married my grandmother, Gittel Zlobin shortly after emigration. A cousin
named Hilton Weiner was also born in Peryoslav in 1897 and emigrate to New York.
The burial society Ahusas Nacklo purchased an area >from Baron Hirsch
cemetery in Staten Island, NY and I am also having
difficulty finding out about that organization.
Thanks, Stephen Weiss, Mobile AL USA


Re: Best approach to determining port of entry to US #general

Shari Kantrow
 

Hi All,
On 2 Sep 2005, Stan Goodman, stated:
"Censuses, of course, can be tricky, because the
information is the unsubstantiated word of the interviewee.
...
You can tell an enumerator anything, and he will write it
down; that's the nature of censuses. Census data needs to be
confirmed by an independent source of the same information."

He is absolutely right. My g-grandfather listed on his
1920 census that he was naturalized. I sent for the
papers, but it was the wrong Benjamin BLITZER-this one
from Austria, not Russia, and totally different family
members. I tried the Bronx Naturalizations after
getting nowhere with the Superior Court, and the
worker there informed me that he had no records for
Benjamin or Beny BLITZER and that in most likelihood,
my Beny simply told the census taker what he thought
he would like to hear, and was never actually
naturalized. The Superior Court sent me very detailed
papers that I do not need of a person I do not know,
however the Bronx Court was kind enough to tell me
they would not waste my money by repeating the same
mistake and kindly sent me a complete refund.

Now that hindsight is 20/20, I do remember from
stories I was told, his son being the first in the
family to get his papers many years after Beny had
died. It goes to show not to believe everything you
read.
Shari Kantrow
Bloomfield, NJ


researching:
MEYER, KAFKA, KUPFER, SCHAFF -Russian/Poland>NY
BLITZER,KARPET,JACOBSON,LANDSMAN, BLITZMAN,BLAZER
PLATZMAN, REYITTS (REIZ)Kamenets-Podolskiy, Podolia >NY
HABERMAN,DICKMAN,SZWARZ- Bukaczowce,Siemikowce>NY
SCHNEIDER, MILBAUER, MEYER - Austria
SCHWARTZ,,SHAPIRO- Bursztyn,Kuropatniki-Galicia>NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FISHBEIN-COHEN-WEINER Kiev, Ahusas Nacklo Burial Society #general

Sweissmusic@...
 

I am seeking information regarding Israel Fishbein and Maria Cohen, parents
of Jacob Fishbein, my grandfather, who emigrated to New York City in 1904 and
married my grandmother, Gittel Zlobin shortly after emigration. A cousin
named Hilton Weiner was also born in Peryoslav in 1897 and emigrate to New York.
The burial society Ahusas Nacklo purchased an area >from Baron Hirsch
cemetery in Staten Island, NY and I am also having
difficulty finding out about that organization.
Thanks, Stephen Weiss, Mobile AL USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Best approach to determining port of entry to US #general

Shari Kantrow
 

Hi All,
On 2 Sep 2005, Stan Goodman, stated:
"Censuses, of course, can be tricky, because the
information is the unsubstantiated word of the interviewee.
...
You can tell an enumerator anything, and he will write it
down; that's the nature of censuses. Census data needs to be
confirmed by an independent source of the same information."

He is absolutely right. My g-grandfather listed on his
1920 census that he was naturalized. I sent for the
papers, but it was the wrong Benjamin BLITZER-this one
from Austria, not Russia, and totally different family
members. I tried the Bronx Naturalizations after
getting nowhere with the Superior Court, and the
worker there informed me that he had no records for
Benjamin or Beny BLITZER and that in most likelihood,
my Beny simply told the census taker what he thought
he would like to hear, and was never actually
naturalized. The Superior Court sent me very detailed
papers that I do not need of a person I do not know,
however the Bronx Court was kind enough to tell me
they would not waste my money by repeating the same
mistake and kindly sent me a complete refund.

Now that hindsight is 20/20, I do remember from
stories I was told, his son being the first in the
family to get his papers many years after Beny had
died. It goes to show not to believe everything you
read.
Shari Kantrow
Bloomfield, NJ


researching:
MEYER, KAFKA, KUPFER, SCHAFF -Russian/Poland>NY
BLITZER,KARPET,JACOBSON,LANDSMAN, BLITZMAN,BLAZER
PLATZMAN, REYITTS (REIZ)Kamenets-Podolskiy, Podolia >NY
HABERMAN,DICKMAN,SZWARZ- Bukaczowce,Siemikowce>NY
SCHNEIDER, MILBAUER, MEYER - Austria
SCHWARTZ,,SHAPIRO- Bursztyn,Kuropatniki-Galicia>NY