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Shelibo and Krasnoluk (Sp.?!) (Minsk) #belarus

MavAlan Shaffer <mavalan_shaffer@...>
 

My thanks to everyone for their help with information
on the various spellings of Shelibo and Krasnoluk in
Minsk, and the locations.

I would be really grateful for some geographical help.
Our grandparents told us they met on the boat coming
over to England. We assumed this to be >from a Baltic
port.
Then I found in my grandfather's Naturalisation papers
at Kew (London) that they married in Krasnoluk in
December 1899.
Now we think they may have met on a river boat.
Does anyone know how people may have travelled from
shtetls in Minsk to the Baltic ports?

I would very much like to obtain a copy of their
marriage certificate.
My grandfather was Joseph Aarons, born 5th May 1877
in Shelibo (?), Minsk, son of Solomon and Grecia.
My grandmother was Sarah (Sura?) Horovitch
(Gurevich?). Married Krasnoluk, Minsk, Dec. 1899.

Does anyone have a map of this area at that time?

With many thanks.

Mav Shaffer,
Essex, England


Belarus SIG #Belarus Shelibo and Krasnoluk (Sp.?!) (Minsk) #belarus

MavAlan Shaffer <mavalan_shaffer@...>
 

My thanks to everyone for their help with information
on the various spellings of Shelibo and Krasnoluk in
Minsk, and the locations.

I would be really grateful for some geographical help.
Our grandparents told us they met on the boat coming
over to England. We assumed this to be >from a Baltic
port.
Then I found in my grandfather's Naturalisation papers
at Kew (London) that they married in Krasnoluk in
December 1899.
Now we think they may have met on a river boat.
Does anyone know how people may have travelled from
shtetls in Minsk to the Baltic ports?

I would very much like to obtain a copy of their
marriage certificate.
My grandfather was Joseph Aarons, born 5th May 1877
in Shelibo (?), Minsk, son of Solomon and Grecia.
My grandmother was Sarah (Sura?) Horovitch
(Gurevich?). Married Krasnoluk, Minsk, Dec. 1899.

Does anyone have a map of this area at that time?

With many thanks.

Mav Shaffer,
Essex, England


JGS Broward Florida October Meeting #general

kasakaplan@...
 

JGS Broward County Florida Meeting
Sunday, October 23rd at 2:00 PM
Soref Jewish Community Center
6501 West Sunrise Boulevard
Plantation, Florida

Please join us on Sunday, October 23rd at 2:00 PM at the Soref Jewish
Community Center, 6501 West Sunrise Blvd. in Plantation. Bring your friends and
neighbors, as all are most welcome. Refreshments will be served and admission is
free.

Our speaker will be Ron Arons and the title of his talk is "Bugsy Siegel and
Meyer Lansky - the Men Behind the famous Flamingo Hotel". Bugsy and Meyer
were two of a kind. Raised on the Lower East Side, both Bugsy and Meyer chose to
live on the other side of the tracks. Meyer was born Maier Suchowljansky, a
Jew >from Grodno who once lived in Miami Beach and later both helped put Las
Vegas on the map. While there are many materials available on the lives of
these two men (books, Hollywood movies and documentaries and websites), not
everything you see and read is accurate.

Learn more about the lives of two of the most notorious gangsters through
standard and non-traditional genealogical records. The talk will focus on how
and where one can find these non-traditional documents (as well as provide a
terrific story!).

Ron Arons has traced his roots to England, Poland, Romania, the Ukraine,
Belarus and Lithuania. He has given presentations at four of the last five IAJGS
conferences as well as local JGSs across the country.

For additional information, please check our website www.JGSbroward.org

Elaine L. Kaplan
Program Chairman
JGS Broward County


One day seminar at Beit Hatefutzot on 28 November 2005 #general

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

The Israel Genealogical Society is very pleased to announce that the
one day seminar now includes Karen Franklin as a speaker! Karen will
give us a talk on mining the Jewishgen databases, something we can
all learn from!

Please look at the new schedule for the Yom Iyun - "Family Roots in
the Land of Israel and in the World" which can be found at this URL:

isragen.org.il/NROS/YY2005/

We have very few places left for the seminar and will likely be
closing registration by the end of this month due to a full house.
Please register now if you intend to come!

Martha Lev-Zion
for the Organising Committee.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Broward Florida October Meeting #general

kasakaplan@...
 

JGS Broward County Florida Meeting
Sunday, October 23rd at 2:00 PM
Soref Jewish Community Center
6501 West Sunrise Boulevard
Plantation, Florida

Please join us on Sunday, October 23rd at 2:00 PM at the Soref Jewish
Community Center, 6501 West Sunrise Blvd. in Plantation. Bring your friends and
neighbors, as all are most welcome. Refreshments will be served and admission is
free.

Our speaker will be Ron Arons and the title of his talk is "Bugsy Siegel and
Meyer Lansky - the Men Behind the famous Flamingo Hotel". Bugsy and Meyer
were two of a kind. Raised on the Lower East Side, both Bugsy and Meyer chose to
live on the other side of the tracks. Meyer was born Maier Suchowljansky, a
Jew >from Grodno who once lived in Miami Beach and later both helped put Las
Vegas on the map. While there are many materials available on the lives of
these two men (books, Hollywood movies and documentaries and websites), not
everything you see and read is accurate.

Learn more about the lives of two of the most notorious gangsters through
standard and non-traditional genealogical records. The talk will focus on how
and where one can find these non-traditional documents (as well as provide a
terrific story!).

Ron Arons has traced his roots to England, Poland, Romania, the Ukraine,
Belarus and Lithuania. He has given presentations at four of the last five IAJGS
conferences as well as local JGSs across the country.

For additional information, please check our website www.JGSbroward.org

Elaine L. Kaplan
Program Chairman
JGS Broward County


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen One day seminar at Beit Hatefutzot on 28 November 2005 #general

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

The Israel Genealogical Society is very pleased to announce that the
one day seminar now includes Karen Franklin as a speaker! Karen will
give us a talk on mining the Jewishgen databases, something we can
all learn from!

Please look at the new schedule for the Yom Iyun - "Family Roots in
the Land of Israel and in the World" which can be found at this URL:

isragen.org.il/NROS/YY2005/

We have very few places left for the seminar and will likely be
closing registration by the end of this month due to a full house.
Please register now if you intend to come!

Martha Lev-Zion
for the Organising Committee.


Re: EIDB- Deciphering a Place Name #general

Don Solomon
 

Without looking at the manifest itself, I would suggest Labun, since
some of the script L's of that period may look like Z's.

At 1:00 AM -0500 10/14/05, Jacob Rosen wrote:

Dear Genners,
I looked at EIDB for Salomon Perlberg who arrived with
his 3 children on June 6th,1899.
The place of origin is given as Zatrn. Upon looking at
the original manifest I realized that it is Zab??.
As far as I know they are >from the Tarnow area. The
first thing which comes to mind is Zabno but I need an
experienced eye to confirm/refute or to come with a
better solution.
--
Don Solomon <dsolomon@post.harvard.edu>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: EIDB- Deciphering a Place Name #general

Don Solomon
 

Without looking at the manifest itself, I would suggest Labun, since
some of the script L's of that period may look like Z's.

At 1:00 AM -0500 10/14/05, Jacob Rosen wrote:

Dear Genners,
I looked at EIDB for Salomon Perlberg who arrived with
his 3 children on June 6th,1899.
The place of origin is given as Zatrn. Upon looking at
the original manifest I realized that it is Zab??.
As far as I know they are >from the Tarnow area. The
first thing which comes to mind is Zabno but I need an
experienced eye to confirm/refute or to come with a
better solution.
--
Don Solomon <dsolomon@post.harvard.edu>


Re: Old photos #general

Robert Dodell <RADodell@...>
 

To my fellow cousins
Thank you one and all for all the suggestions. Due the holidays, I am
unable to answer each on individually, but I thank you all for your ideas.
I have in excess of 50 photos so posting them all is not practable, but I
may post a few. I did send out an email with more specific information and
have gotten a query or two to see if I know someone. I will see if I can
help out there. Love to foward to a relation.
I will retain the photos. I may contact the universities in the near
future.

Robert A. Dodell
E-mail: RADodell@Worldnet.att.net
Scottsdale, Arizona


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Old photos #general

Robert Dodell <RADodell@...>
 

To my fellow cousins
Thank you one and all for all the suggestions. Due the holidays, I am
unable to answer each on individually, but I thank you all for your ideas.
I have in excess of 50 photos so posting them all is not practable, but I
may post a few. I did send out an email with more specific information and
have gotten a query or two to see if I know someone. I will see if I can
help out there. Love to foward to a relation.
I will retain the photos. I may contact the universities in the near
future.

Robert A. Dodell
E-mail: RADodell@Worldnet.att.net
Scottsdale, Arizona


Too many quotation marks & our helpful International Desk #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

May I suggest that correspondents to the General
Discussion Group avoid too many quotation marks
{relating to a previous posting} interspersed with
text - as it is almost impossible for ordinary
mortals to follow. This style of writing works
reasonably well if you use colour, but we are still in
the "black and white era" on Jewishgen.

Private banter between correspondents should remain
private, unless there is something important to tell
the group.

I know that members are always eager to read clear,
simple, interesting, well-written, well-researched,
innovative postings and/or queries.

It would also be wonderful to hear >from more people
from outside the English-speaking world. If English is
not your native language and you wish to post, you can
get excellent help >from the International Desk of
Jewishgen, where a helpful team of language
specialists is willing to translate your posting into
good English: international@lyris.jewishgen.org

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Too many quotation marks & our helpful International Desk #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

May I suggest that correspondents to the General
Discussion Group avoid too many quotation marks
{relating to a previous posting} interspersed with
text - as it is almost impossible for ordinary
mortals to follow. This style of writing works
reasonably well if you use colour, but we are still in
the "black and white era" on Jewishgen.

Private banter between correspondents should remain
private, unless there is something important to tell
the group.

I know that members are always eager to read clear,
simple, interesting, well-written, well-researched,
innovative postings and/or queries.

It would also be wonderful to hear >from more people
from outside the English-speaking world. If English is
not your native language and you wish to post, you can
get excellent help >from the International Desk of
Jewishgen, where a helpful team of language
specialists is willing to translate your posting into
good English: international@lyris.jewishgen.org

Celia Male [U.K.]


Re: Younger siblings marrying in-laws' siblings #general

Dan Goodman <dsgood@...>
 

Among my distant relatives, there's a case in which a father and son
married sisters. (Ulster County, NY).

Among non-Jews: James Deetz's "In Small Things Forgotten : An
Archaeology of Early American Life" mentions a pattern in early
New England: Man A marries woman B; B's brother marries A's sister.

--
Dan Goodman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Younger siblings marrying in-laws' siblings #general

Dan Goodman <dsgood@...>
 

Among my distant relatives, there's a case in which a father and son
married sisters. (Ulster County, NY).

Among non-Jews: James Deetz's "In Small Things Forgotten : An
Archaeology of Early American Life" mentions a pattern in early
New England: Man A marries woman B; B's brother marries A's sister.

--
Dan Goodman


Searching: KESSLER, GOLDRAT, BORNSTEIN, COLIN, HERCZ, REISZ, GOLDBERGER #general

moishe@...
 

I am searching for information on the following people:
Michael KESSLER,
Mindla GOLDRAT,
Motek BORNSTEIN,
Monchi COLIN or CULIN
They where together with my father in Sanatorium am Hausstein ,
Deggendorf in 1945-47
after wards they stayed in Gauting. before they went to America
Also looking for HECHT, Eva and Emil
Dany FARKAS
and
Piri REISZ Left Munic in 1951 for America
If anyone have information
please mail me

Richard Hercz
moishe@start.no

Also looking for HERCZ and GOLDBERGER >from the are aound
Oradea/Nagyvarad

MODERATOR NOTE: If you have not already entered these searches in the
JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF), we urge you to enter them now. This will
greatly increase your chances of finding a match. For further information,
see <http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/>.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: KESSLER, GOLDRAT, BORNSTEIN, COLIN, HERCZ, REISZ, GOLDBERGER #general

moishe@...
 

I am searching for information on the following people:
Michael KESSLER,
Mindla GOLDRAT,
Motek BORNSTEIN,
Monchi COLIN or CULIN
They where together with my father in Sanatorium am Hausstein ,
Deggendorf in 1945-47
after wards they stayed in Gauting. before they went to America
Also looking for HECHT, Eva and Emil
Dany FARKAS
and
Piri REISZ Left Munic in 1951 for America
If anyone have information
please mail me

Richard Hercz
moishe@start.no

Also looking for HERCZ and GOLDBERGER >from the are aound
Oradea/Nagyvarad

MODERATOR NOTE: If you have not already entered these searches in the
JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF), we urge you to enter them now. This will
greatly increase your chances of finding a match. For further information,
see <http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/>.


PERLBERG from Zabno-When Did They Die?? #general

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Thanks to all the Genners who helped me to confirm
that Salomon PERLBERG came in 1899 >from Zabno. They
also found the entry of his wife Alte in 1898(not via
the blue forms but the white forms of s. Morse).Both
were born around 1860.
Salomon ,his wife Annie(ex-Alte) lived in Manhatten,
115th Str. and had 4 kids:Isidore,Ester,Rosie and
Jack(Jacob).
I need the death certificates of Salomon and Annie but
have no idea when they died. They are not in the SSDI
so I presume that they died in the 20s or 30s.
Wonder whether any one recalls them or will have an
idea how to proceed.
Thanks,
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen PERLBERG from Zabno-When Did They Die?? #general

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Thanks to all the Genners who helped me to confirm
that Salomon PERLBERG came in 1899 >from Zabno. They
also found the entry of his wife Alte in 1898(not via
the blue forms but the white forms of s. Morse).Both
were born around 1860.
Salomon ,his wife Annie(ex-Alte) lived in Manhatten,
115th Str. and had 4 kids:Isidore,Ester,Rosie and
Jack(Jacob).
I need the death certificates of Salomon and Annie but
have no idea when they died. They are not in the SSDI
so I presume that they died in the 20s or 30s.
Wonder whether any one recalls them or will have an
idea how to proceed.
Thanks,
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


Brooklyn, NY marriage certificates #general

Shelly Weiner <shellyjag619@...>
 

Dear all,
I have accidently ordered the following FHL film. It is due back 13 Nov.

Film #1613953 Cert. #9501-10743 Jun-Aug 1920
(Marriage certificates, 1866-1937 / Brooklyn (New York). Board of Health)

If you need a lookup for Brooklyn marriage certificates #9501-10743
during the period Jun-Aug 1920, please email me the name of the couple
and the certificate #.

Please ... *only* Brooklyn marriages >from June-Aug 1920, with a certificate
number >from 9501-10743...

Shelly Weiner
Henderson NV
---
BYCZOK/BYCHKOFF/BICHKOFF--Walkowisko, Poland to Detroit MI
FELDMAN--Hungary to New Brunswick NJ & Detroit MI
NOCHINOWSKI/NASH--Ostov, Russia to Detroit MI
RHYZI/ROSSEN--Vladimerets OR Stahovka, Ukraine to Detroit,MI
SMOLER/SMOL[I/Y]AR/SMOLAR--Vladimerets, Ukraine to Detroit MI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Brooklyn, NY marriage certificates #general

Shelly Weiner <shellyjag619@...>
 

Dear all,
I have accidently ordered the following FHL film. It is due back 13 Nov.

Film #1613953 Cert. #9501-10743 Jun-Aug 1920
(Marriage certificates, 1866-1937 / Brooklyn (New York). Board of Health)

If you need a lookup for Brooklyn marriage certificates #9501-10743
during the period Jun-Aug 1920, please email me the name of the couple
and the certificate #.

Please ... *only* Brooklyn marriages >from June-Aug 1920, with a certificate
number >from 9501-10743...

Shelly Weiner
Henderson NV
---
BYCZOK/BYCHKOFF/BICHKOFF--Walkowisko, Poland to Detroit MI
FELDMAN--Hungary to New Brunswick NJ & Detroit MI
NOCHINOWSKI/NASH--Ostov, Russia to Detroit MI
RHYZI/ROSSEN--Vladimerets OR Stahovka, Ukraine to Detroit,MI
SMOLER/SMOL[I/Y]AR/SMOLAR--Vladimerets, Ukraine to Detroit MI